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Archives: September 2001

Message: 18991 Posted: Sun Sep 30 21:38:13 2001 By: Nanci
Subject: Hey Robyn Here's the List

Ok guys

The Coahchouse Show was awesome. I sat near Robyn and I promised to post the Setlist... Here goes. They boys were in rare form, as Robyn said... Wish they would have played survival.

** HORSE (Thanks Matt B. for The strings!)


Message: 18990 Posted: Sun Sep 30 20:05:27 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: What Is Your Most Favorite AMERICA Possession?

Favorite AMERICA possession? Wow, that's a real toughie but a great question by Pat that I've enjoyed reading the responses to and hope to read more of! (hint, hint)

For me, it would definitely have to be something autographed.

By Dan: The "Highway" booklet with a message written on the front cover "Fasten your seat belt!!" and "Thanks for your support!!" written inside. The seat belt message pertained to Dan's weekly episodes. The message was appropriate, I'd say.

By Dewey: The "Silent Letter" album cover with the message, "My Best!"

By Gerry: A Di Farrelly "Heaven Is Very Beautiful" appreciation certificate with the handwritten message, "Thank you".

Something that I really regret not bidding for on eBay was Gerry's bass guitar. That would really be a great America item to own especially if it had Gerry's autograph. Something of Dewey's that I'd love to own is the belt buckle that he wore on many of America's album covers. And what about Gerry's number "29" necklace that he use to wear? Oh Yeah!!!

Eddy, I can definitely understand your choice of the "VFTG" album cover signed as you said, "w/Love from Gerry"! That is very, very cool!

Robyn, it was only several years ago that I finally bought a CD player. Was playing the vinyls for quite a long time. Based on past purchasing behavior, a DVD player won't be bought for quite a few years yet.


Message: 18989 Posted: Sun Sep 30 18:55:23 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: America Rhino DVD

Thanks for the info Robyn! I'll have to search on Monday! Anyone going to Papermill on Oct 9th in NJ?

Message: 18988 Posted: Sun Sep 30 18:10:18 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: America Rhino DVD

Believe it or not, I found it in my local Vigin Megastore ( famous for having absolutly nothing I want, we call it the "ministore") they had a small display of music dvds and Homecoming was tucked away in them!

Message: 18987 Posted: Sun Sep 30 18:00:38 2001 By: Dan
Subject: Re: What Is Your Most Favorite AMERICA Possession?

My 8 by 10 framed pic of myself and Dewey Bunnell.

Message: 18986 Posted: Sun Sep 30 17:14:58 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: America Rhino DVD

Robyn...May I ask where did you find it? Did you order it from Rhino or did you get it from a store. Thanks :o)

Message: 18985 Posted: Sun Sep 30 15:51:15 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: What Is Your Most Favorite AMERICA Possession?

Guitar picks, one from each.

Message: 18984 Posted: Sun Sep 30 15:38:28 2001 By: Ingrid
Subject: Re: What Is Your Most Favorite AMERICA Possession?

My HIGHWAY boxed set signed by Dewey.

Message: 18983 Posted: Sun Sep 30 15:30:19 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: America Rhino DVD

Wow this is great. Picked up the dvd/audio of Hmecoming ( my personal all time favorite!)Is it cool! I have dvd on my home puter. What you get is great quality sound AND still photos from the album shoot. I haven't had a chance to listen to all the interview cuts but it is very cool ( I know, I said that already!)

Johnny, it just might be worth investing in a dvd player for this one!

Message: 18982 Posted: Sun Sep 30 12:34:54 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: re: Favorite America Possession (Janice)

THANK GOODNESS on the employment front and I'm sending you + vibes on the health front!


TkH<-------+=! No boundary

Message: 18981 Posted: Sun Sep 30 11:58:22 2001 By: Janice
Subject: re: Favorite America Possession

I don't have very many, except for original vinyls and a growing CD collection. The only signed item I have is a t-shirt from Reno in 1998..Pete had everybody sign it for me..(thanks, Pete..I'm bashful.)
Still employed and heading for MD Anderson this week for awhile....have a great one, and keep those flags waving!

Message: 18980 Posted: Sun Sep 30 10:47:10 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: What Is Your Most Favorite AMERICA Possession?

My most favorite America possession is a homemade tape of Hideaway/ America Live from my best friend.

Message: 18979 Posted: Sun Sep 30 10:34:58 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: America Q&A on Rhino

You are right Johnny, Gerry was extremely laconic in that interview, more so than usual. Maybe because Dewey was not? They seem to have a yin and yang going on.

Message: 18978 Posted: Sun Sep 30 09:25:34 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: What Is Your Most Favorite AMERICA Possession?

Actually mine doesn't quite exist yet....
I have an American League Baseball that I want autographed by Mr.s Be and Bu. They were my first musical inspiration, Baseball (American League Detroit Tigers) funded my midi studio. Silly, but true.

TkH<----+=! No Boundary

Message: 18977 Posted: Sun Sep 30 06:24:38 2001 By: EDDY
Subject: Re: What Is Your Most Favorite AMERICA Possession?

Mine would be my autographed View From The Ground album,it was the first thing I got signed. it holds such a nice memory of a day/night I'll never forget, plus it's the only thing I have signed w/Love from Gerry. My other would be the autographed photo's that I took, which I have matted & framed, along w/their guitar picks.

Message: 18976 Posted: Sun Sep 30 05:34:18 2001 By: John Lussier
Subject: Re: What Is Your Most Favorite AMERICA Possession?

I don't have much but the few items I have are all pretty special. I'd have to agree with you Pat about the songbook. Mine is so used the cover has come off and the binding is broken in several places. Gerry's pick that I caught is pretty cool although I know it pales to the collection that many here have. Absolute fav though would have to be my copy of Human Nature with Gerry's and Dewey's signatures.

Message: 18975 Posted: Sat Sep 29 21:58:05 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: What Is Your Most Favorite AMERICA Possession?

Pat, I think that's a great question. I'll have to think hard about it but I don't think I can pick just one possession. I look forward to reading the replies...if folks will respond.

Message: 18974 Posted: Sat Sep 29 21:42:15 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Next Terrorist Attack Target??? (Robyn)

Robyn, regarding the Diablo Canyon plant, I thought it was back in operation. But like Beech said, the cat's out of the bag if there was an inkling of truth to it. Either way, I just feel that California will be a target in the future whether this year, next year, or sometime in the near future. After all, California is one of the greatest states in the US and has one of the greatest cities, LA, not unlike NYC is to the East. Back to America topics.


Message: 18973 Posted: Sat Sep 29 21:31:02 2001 By: Pat B.
Subject: What Is Your Most Favorite AMERICA Possession?

My most favorite AMERICA possession is my AMERICA Complete Songbook. I've spent at least a zillion enjoyable hours playing all the songs in it. -Pat

Message: 18972 Posted: Sat Sep 29 21:19:25 2001 By: Pat B.
Subject: Re: America Q&A on Rhino

Thanks very much Steve, for the Rhino link. Excellent article. I especially enjoyed Gerry's answer to the question: 'what is your most favorite possession'. -Pat

Message: 18971 Posted: Sat Sep 29 21:02:16 2001 By: Pat B.
Subject: Re: Graffiti

Kevin- nice to know that you are "doing your part" to help promote the greatest band on earth. I enjoyed your post tremendously. -Pat

Message: 18970 Posted: Sat Sep 29 20:56:36 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: America/Rhino pt 2--see this instead

That Rhino interview was very cool! Excellent!!! Thanks for directing us there, Steve O.

I was surprised that Dewey's replies were noticeably more lengthy than Gerry's and that a majority of Gerry's answers were brief. I guess I'm surprised because the interviews that I've seen of the duo on video, Gerry seems to be more verbal and Dewey more reserved. It just goes to prove once more that things are not always as they seem. Now I'm confused which way it really is. My guess is the Rhino interview is probably the way it is in real life. Any opinions from those in the know?

Message: 18969 Posted: Sat Sep 29 20:17:07 2001 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: Robyn

Robyn...yes I wish that we could have met...along with the rest of the gang....we snuck out the side door after the show because of the crowd exiting the front...that's probably why we missed you...however, you probably passed right by our car ..we were parked in the handycap spot right in front of the front door (due to a friend who was along with us)...a white suburban with an American Flag decal and the words "These colors don't run" on the back window... did you see it....with all of us rowdy Elsinorians loading up after the first show?

Message: 18968 Posted: Sat Sep 29 20:14:29 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Graffiti.

Way to go, Kevin!

Kevin's post reminds me of this: The America promo button for "Highway" came with a small card that the button was attached to. The card has a black and white photo of the booklet's front cover. At the bottom of the card, it reads "This Land Is Your Land. This Band Is Your Band.

Message: 18967 Posted: Sat Sep 29 20:12:12 2001 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: America/Rhino

Thanks, Steve O, for that link. I found it really interesting, and I would certainly never have come across it if Steve hadn't mentioned it here. Friends helping friends, that's what it's all about.
Jealous to hear about the Coach House last night. Wish I could have been there again. .
ShariL <><

Message: 18966 Posted: Sat Sep 29 19:49:54 2001 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: America/Rhino pt 2--see this instead

The America interview is under the Rhino DVD-audio section. Here's the link to get to it:

Message: 18965 Posted: Sat Sep 29 19:45:01 2001 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: America Q&A on

Just discovered an interesting Q& A with Gerry & Dewey courtesy of Rhino records. Hopefully this isn't old news to anybody,but its a departure from the normal interview you would expect. For a taste of something different,log on to,or go to your search engine and click on "rhino records". On the opening page look to your left and scroll down to where it mentions the interview with America.
It'll give you,as it gave me,a different insight into the guys!

Message: 18964 Posted: Sat Sep 29 19:31:28 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: to leaky and Kevin

Yes leaky. I heard Survival ( standing outside close tot he fron door has it's bonuses!) Too bad we did not meet. I did not see you ( Perhaps I should have mentioned here what I look like so we could have met) NEXT TIME!!!! We stayed at the Best Western, not far from the Swallows Inn. DARN!

Kevin you rascal! :) that was a good one!

Message: 18963 Posted: Sat Sep 29 18:16:40 2001 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: re:coach house

..didn't get to hear windwave at the early show (darn, thats what i get for not going to both shows)....they did play survival and hangover (first time for me to hear these two tunes live)......also, a group of us went to The Swallows Inn (just down the street near the mission) after the show (might be a good place to meet after the show next year)....

Message: 18962 Posted: Sat Sep 29 18:00:35 2001 By: KevinS.
Subject: Graffiti.

I saw a Suburban in a parking lot today with "AMERICA: LAND THAT I LOVE" painted in the back window. So I changed the first L to a B.

Just doing my part.


Message: 18961 Posted: Sat Sep 29 17:00:14 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: Another Old Chestnut?

How about these tunes:
People In The Valley
Catch That Train
No Fortune

PS- Don't forget Hat Trick and that other song...What is it?
Is it?...It can't be. 10 days and counting!!! What is coming?LOL. :o)

Message: 18960 Posted: Sat Sep 29 16:18:05 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Another Old Chestnut?

Watership down and Hideaway, parts I and II!

Message: 18959 Posted: Sat Sep 29 16:16:51 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Coach House

I don't type that fast Beech!

Message: 18958 Posted: Sat Sep 29 16:16:19 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Coach House Review


ok there's more than that.
We drove down to San Juan Capistrano in rush hour traffic. A hour and 1/2 journey took almost three. Saw Matt on the freeway, to everyone's delight, confirming he would be there at the Coach House as well. Got there REALLY EARLY and got in line for the second show around 9 pm We were able to hear the first show (kind of a nice bonus, doncha think?) We were seated close to the stage, near the key board and Mr Palmer. Our seats allowed me to hear even more clearly what a fine voice he has. The band was loose and having fun. I could not find my pen so I do not have the set list. My seatmate Nancy said she would be posting it, so Nance, I am hoping that you do!
I met Windwave and his lovely wife, seated directly behind my dh. They DID play windwave, so they must have Known you were there Mark! I don't think I have seen them so playful, for lack of a better word, in a long time.
Erzatz Robyn was there as well. She managed to convince Jim that she was ME! ( Really Jim, I was the one you talked to later, thanks again for the picks.)dh talked to Willie ( note to Willie, if you wonder about those unusual rock pictures my dh was showing you, let me know)

All in all we had a wonderful night. We plan on doing it again next year! ( We stayed at a very nice hotel in SJC, so we didn't get home till this afternoon)

Message: 18957 Posted: Sat Sep 29 16:14:00 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Coach House

And Yes, Ms. P (intrepid reporter), we'll be ANXIOUSLY awaiting your report from the field!!!!! (((C=

TkH<------+=! No Boundary

Message: 18956 Posted: Sat Sep 29 16:08:03 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Next Terrorist Attack Target???

Um, THAT'S NICE Robyn...(lol).....G-R-E-A-T.......

TkH<-----+=! No Boundary

Message: 18955 Posted: Sat Sep 29 16:07:01 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Another Old Chestnut?

Ok. Let's clear the playlist of all songs. Let's put in obscurities. What'll the list include? Try NOT to include hits, this'll be a list for us "conniseurs"...(sp-lol) Yes, you can include Windwave!!!!

1. Bell Tree
2. Till The Sun Comes Up Again
(what no HAT TRICK, TERY?)

TkH<---------+=! No Boundary
P.S. to Angie,,,,it's comin' it's!

Message: 18954 Posted: Sat Sep 29 16:05:00 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Next Terrorist Attack Target???

Diablo Canyon?? Is that Meltdown-to China accident still operating? It was shut down for a while, being on A MAJOR FAULT LINE and all.

Message: 18953 Posted: Sat Sep 29 07:50:48 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Next Terrorist Attack Target???

Well if it WAS, the cat's out of the bag now.....betch they don't...
Sorry about the silliness of the reply, but I'm feeling rather silly today!

TkH<-----+=! No Boundary

Message: 18952 Posted: Fri Sep 28 22:44:53 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Next Terrorist Attack Target???

Have any of you in California (or anyone else here for that matter) heard the talk that the next possible terrorist attack target may be the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant?!?! Let's hope it's not true or if so that it's averted.

Message: 18951 Posted: Fri Sep 28 21:07:02 2001 By: David Perkins
Subject: Re: David Blue's "Outlaw Man" (For Alan)

No, use the link below to see his other albums:

Message: 18950 Posted: Fri Sep 28 16:56:30 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: David Blue's "Outlaw Man" (For Alan)

Alan, you can find out a lot of information on the following music website:

David Blue has a number of LPs. You can check him out and others on the above website.

Message: 18949 Posted: Fri Sep 28 16:21:53 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Re: David Blue's "Outlaw Man" (For Alan)

Thanks for the info, Johnny. How about it Howie, do you think he's any good? Is that the only album he ever did?

Message: 18948 Posted: Fri Sep 28 07:23:28 2001 By: Erin
Subject: Re: Coach House

Jim and guys have an excellent time...tell the guys hi for me!

Erin :o)

Message: 18947 Posted: Thu Sep 27 21:20:38 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Coach House

will do and thanks. we have tix for the second show. look for us and say hello!

Message: 18946 Posted: Thu Sep 27 21:05:16 2001 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Coach House

barring death or disability, I shall be there.
I believe this 2 show nite will have some very magical moments. Robyn, remember off the 5 freeway at Camino Capistrano & keep an eagle eye out for the venue, not really visible, 1 layer behind Camino Capistrano in a mini business mall, easy to miss.

Message: 18945 Posted: Thu Sep 27 20:58:23 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Coach House

Ah, but jimnak, will YOU be there?

Message: 18944 Posted: Thu Sep 27 20:56:10 2001 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Coach House

And Erin I can picture you in the front row at Reno looking up in sort of a mystical gaze as AMERICA plays on. As Robyn said, you will be there in spirit - for 2 shows no doubt !

Message: 18943 Posted: Thu Sep 27 20:21:29 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Coach House

You'll be there in spirit, Erin!

Message: 18942 Posted: Thu Sep 27 19:29:17 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: David Blue's "Outlaw Man" (For Alan)

Alan, yes, I'm positive it's the same David Blue. Like the Eagles, he was on Asylum Records. As far as his other music being as good as "Outlaw Man", I'd have to defer that to Howie since he has the "Com'n Back For More" album.

A funny thing on the "All Music Guide" website, it states that David Blue wrote the Eagles song "Wanted Man". I think they meant "Outlaw Man".

Message: 18941 Posted: Thu Sep 27 18:16:24 2001 By: Erin
Subject: Re: Coach House

I WISH I could make it to the Coach House...:o)

Message: 18940 Posted: Thu Sep 27 18:10:34 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Re: Question for everyone outside NYC, including other countries...

Plenty of flags flying up here in Maine, too. God Bless America!

Message: 18939 Posted: Thu Sep 27 18:08:28 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Re: Answer to Johnny's Question Is...

Howard or Johnny: Would that be the same David Blue that wrote the Eagles song "Outlaw Man"? If so, is his other stuff as good as that?

Message: 18938 Posted: Thu Sep 27 18:06:31 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Re: too heavy

Dan said << I know I'll be crucified for this but I'm saying it anyway. I tune into this board for a little light-hearted talk of music and entertainment. If I wanted left or right political views I'd turn on CNN's Crossfire. Sorry to offend but that's just the way I feel. >>

Andy replied << I see your point, Dan. Normally, current events don't find their way onto this least not that often. Still, when a pack of well trained savages attack the United States and bring down a couple of skyscrapers, killing untold thousands, it's an issue that trancends everything...even this discussion board. >>

I'd like to wholeheartedly second Andy's opinion and just add this reminder...There is a "Next" button you can click if you don't wish to read a particular post.

Message: 18937 Posted: Thu Sep 27 13:55:51 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Coach House

Nina-- Gladly, but you'd have to find a place for me, dd and dh to sleep! ( lol)
and jim, look for my report on Sunday Morning!

Message: 18936 Posted: Thu Sep 27 13:24:14 2001 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Coach House

AMERICA is well rested & ready to rock the house down in San Juan Capistrano, California. Two shows are scheduled & in the past they have completely sold out. It's not too late to make plans, fly into Orange County A/P. Even the Coach House Web site has AMERICA's name in red, white & blue. Rockin'Robyn we will look forward to your report. AMERICA will bring the house down !!!

Message: 18935 Posted: Thu Sep 27 12:47:07 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: "Biggest of the Big"

The copy from a 1973 music magazine:

America is 15,920 times bigger than Chicago.

AMERICA's Homecoming includes: Ventura Highway/Head and Heart & To Each His Own/California Revisited

The second America album puts them with the Biggest of the Big. Homecoming includes their hit "Ventura Highway" plus new originals by Dewey Bunnell, Gerry Beckley and Dan Peek. It's bigger than Chicago. In fact it's bigger than all Illinois.

On Warner Bros. Records and Tapes. Direction of Geffen Roberts

Message: 18934 Posted: Thu Sep 27 11:51:56 2001 By: Nina
Subject: Oops..Last Post...Should be reply to ROBYN!

Sorry's been a tough day at school! (Sorry. Erin, too!)

Message: 18933 Posted: Thu Sep 27 11:49:12 2001 By: Nina
Subject: Reply to Erin

Hey, Erin....I'll go to the Coach House with you on the west coast;
if you come to the Colonial Theater with me on the east coast? Is it a deal???


Message: 18932 Posted: Thu Sep 27 09:43:24 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Coach House

ok- Who's going?

Message: 18931 Posted: Thu Sep 27 09:29:05 2001 By: Erin
Subject: Re: Question for everyone outside NYC, including other countries...

Reno has flags dad is a Sparks firefighter, and they had a HUGE fundraiser last weekend, along with all other area firefighters...

Message: 18930 Posted: Thu Sep 27 09:11:25 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Thanks

to all who joined me last evening in another lively chat! It was fun! Please join us next Wednesday at the same time!

Message: 18929 Posted: Wed Sep 26 15:56:22 2001 By: Steve
Subject: Question....

Howard,Here in Ohio everywhere you look are flags.We have put flags in all of the meeting rooms at the hotel that I work at.We have also put 3 flags up in front of the hotel itself.I would say 98% of the cars you see on the road have flags on them.

Message: 18928 Posted: Wed Sep 26 10:24:26 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Check these pictures out!!! Imagine All the People...

Extremely touching to say the least!

Message: 18927 Posted: Wed Sep 26 10:15:56 2001 By: Pete
Subject: Re: Check these pictures out!!! Imagine All the People...

Nice pictures Howie, Ive actually already seen these pictures on my e-mail but well worth looking at again. The pictures say it all.

Message: 18926 Posted: Wed Sep 26 09:04:29 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Check these pictures out!!! Imagine All the People...

A friend of mine sent this to me to check out.
It makes me feel good inside to see the rest of the world
helping us out with...

Message: 18925 Posted: Wed Sep 26 06:29:43 2001 By: Janice
Subject: re: Well, It's About Time

Yes Beech..I saw it too! Great commercial..and does anyone know who the folks are in the sportscar??
Holding my breath for the Delta cuts to be announced this morning. I am at home on a medical leave and suffice it to say that I will not sign for any Fedex envelopes today! :-)
I don't think I will be affected with 20 years seniority, but you never know. If they offered me a severance I would take it. I feel for my friends and colleagues who may be affected. My brother, an American employee in LA is taking a paycut from what I understand.
Just another hideous chapter of this ongoing terrible saga that is affecting so many of us.

Message: 18924 Posted: Wed Sep 26 05:38:02 2001 By: kimcabrina
Subject: Re: Question for everyone outside NYC, including other countries...

Here in Fort Worth the city lined the streets with the flags they normally put out for Flag Day. Flags have also been suspended between buildings. In Arlington about 40% of the homes have them flying (including mine), they are on cars and people are wearing red, white & blue ribbons. I suspect more people would be flying the flag at their homes if they could find one to buy.

Message: 18923 Posted: Tue Sep 25 22:54:14 2001 By: ANDY
Subject: Re: Hey Johnny, The Answer is....

and Lorene Yarnell did a wonderful job on that sequence too!

Yes Robyn, and Sammy Davis missed out on being part of the greatest pop/rock song ever composed. Not that I'm biased, LOL


Message: 18922 Posted: Tue Sep 25 20:20:28 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Wednesday night chat

remember to join me in the chat room after 6 p.m. pacific on Wednesday evening.

Message: 18921 Posted: Tue Sep 25 15:03:14 2001 By: jeff brink
Subject: List....

There's a victims list at


Message: 18920 Posted: Tue Sep 25 12:28:41 2001 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Question for everyone outside NYC, including other countries...

In Dallas, I see a lot of business with flags in front, and I'd guess maybe 30% of homes.


Message: 18919 Posted: Tue Sep 25 11:27:34 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Hey Johnny, The Answer is....

and Lorene Yarnell did a wonderful job on that sequence too!

Message: 18918 Posted: Tue Sep 25 10:38:34 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Hey Johnny, The Answer is....

For the Hattrick album, America asked Sammy Davis Jr. to tap
dance for that lovely moment in the song and he refused. Go figure.............................

Message: 18917 Posted: Tue Sep 25 09:48:09 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Question For Johnny...

That would have to be Richard Simmons!

Message: 18916 Posted: Tue Sep 25 09:11:33 2001 By: Terry T.
Subject: Re: Question for everyone outside NYC, including other countries...

Lots of flags in this Florida neighborhood and all around town. Some homes have huge ones. Lots of vehicles with flags and many mailboxes have ribbons hanging. There is a large flag that a fellow employee brought in which is now hanging from the ceiling where I work. People are wearing ribbon or flag lapel pins, too. WalMart was also sold out. Not so many candles, though. I read that some factories in China are sewing overtime to keep us supplied. ;)

tt <---can't wait to see holiday season

Message: 18915 Posted: Tue Sep 25 09:00:50 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Question for everyone outside NYC, including other countries...

The Southern Florida Contingent is waving and strong. BUT there was one kavetch (sp?). Walghrens was selling American flags made in Afganistan (lots of refunds there). Go FIGURE....

TkH<--------+=! No Boundary

Message: 18914 Posted: Tue Sep 25 08:32:16 2001 By: Nina
Subject: Question.....

Here in Massachusetts, the stores can't keep enough flags in stock! My sister was at Walmart over the week-end and saw a display of about ten, with different pole colors. She picked up one and went to find her husband for his opinion and by the time she got back to the display...only 5 minutes later...the rack was empty! So I'd have to say Massachusetts is showing some spirit!

Message: 18913 Posted: Tue Sep 25 08:13:35 2001 By: Dan
Subject: Re: Question for everyone outside NYC, including other countries...

This Air Force veteran is flying Old Glory on his house, car, wifes' van and daughters' car. We are seeing a lot of red white and blue here in Peoria also because of the police officer who was shot five times and killed in the line of duty last week by some street punk. He was 37 and left behind a wife and five kids ages 5 to 13. Howie, I find it incredible that "a big star" would ever turn down a chance to include Dan,s, Dewey,s and Gerry.s talent on a record. Must have been a weak moment for this person.DanC.

Message: 18912 Posted: Tue Sep 25 07:47:12 2001 By: Pat B.
Subject: Re: Question for everyone outside NYC, including other countries...

The American Flag is being flown and displayed everywhere here in Connecticut. On homes, automobiles, buildings, flagposts, bridges, hats, t-shirts, etc. This past Saturday, I duct-taped a flag to my right arm while I was playing with my band at Club AmberJacks in Norwalk.

Message: 18911 Posted: Tue Sep 25 07:34:52 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Question for everyone outside NYC, including other countries...

Howie-- Here in Los ANgeles, the car capitol of the world most cars are displaying at least one flag ( I had TWO till my dh inadvertantly rolled down the car window-- I am glad HE did it instead of me , I would NEVER hear the end of it--lol) Most homes in my neighborhood are flying old glory, as well as businesses. Locals are painting over grafitti-covered walls with images of the flag. The flags over municipal buildings still fly at half staff and will remain there until Friday, by order of the Mayor. ( As a strange side note, several buildings flags have been "Borrowed")This has united our nation in ways that I could not have imagined.

Message: 18910 Posted: Tue Sep 25 07:13:41 2001 By: Pete
Subject: Re: Question for everyone outside NYC, including other countries...

I'm a Vietnam Vet from upstate NY, a small town called Johnstown. Flags are flying everywhere. God Bless America.

Message: 18909 Posted: Tue Sep 25 06:26:09 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Question for everyone outside NYC, including other countries...

My wife was wondering. Like here in New Jersey, New York City, Connecticut, PHiladelphia and Washington D.C., is everyone as gung ho with displaying Americanflags, ribbons, candles and the good old Spirit just as we are doing here. I know we all feel the same about the tragedy, but I promise I won't get into it.

Message: 18908 Posted: Tue Sep 25 06:06:51 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Question For Johnny...

What famous star turned down America (Dan, Gerry & Dewey)
to perform on one of their records?

Message: 18907 Posted: Tue Sep 25 06:05:30 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Answer to Johnny's Question Is...

David Blue:
Album: Com'n Back for More
Song: Ooh Mama
Year: 1975
Dan, Gerry and Dewey sang background.
I should know, because I have the album!

Message: 18906 Posted: Tue Sep 25 04:47:20 2001 By: Nina
Subject: NH Concert

Just wondering if anyone is planning on attending the Keene, NH show besides me? Bones? Lisa from RI? Anybody? (It's only 2 week-ends away!)

Message: 18905 Posted: Mon Sep 24 23:13:07 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: too heavy (And A Triv Question)

Everyone, I agree with Andy. What has happened to America on the 11th was an arrow in our country's heart. I, like Andy and some others, can't help but discuss it at least some. I do understand though how some of you feel about the "heaviness" of the topic on this folder. Since it's a lull here sometimes, it makes for good conversation (imho).

Okay Dan, here's a triv question: Dan, Dewey, and Gerry (together) sang background vocals on one song for a solo artist back in '75. This artist probably isn't known to many of us but maybe someone here knows him. Name either the artist, the album, or the song. If you're really good, name all three. (Hint: His initials are the same as one of the trio's.)

Message: 18904 Posted: Mon Sep 24 22:49:29 2001 By: ANDY
Subject: Re: too heavy

I know I'll be crucified for this but I'm saying it anyway. I tune into this board for a little light-hearted talk of music and entertainment. If I wanted left or right political views I'd turn on CNN's Crossfire. Sorry to offend but that's just the way I feel. Now, Johnny, how about a couple trivia questions?DanC.

I see your point, Dan. Normally, current events don't find their way onto this least not that often. Still, when a pack of well trained savages attack the United States and bring down a couple of skyscrapers, killing untold thousands, it's an issue that trancends everything...even this discussion board.


Message: 18903 Posted: Mon Sep 24 22:04:07 2001 By: Dan
Subject: too heavy

I know I'll be crucified for this but I'm saying it anyway. I tune into this board for a little light-hearted talk of music and entertainment. If I wanted left or right political views I'd turn on CNN's Crossfire. Sorry to offend but that's just the way I feel. Now, Johnny, how about a couple trivia questions?DanC.

Message: 18902 Posted: Mon Sep 24 15:43:25 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Newest Addition

Excellent Pictures, Steve! What a beautiful baby (and Mom)!!!

TkH<------+=! No Boundary

Message: 18901 Posted: Mon Sep 24 15:37:41 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: War IS the answer

I'm not trivializing anything Andy.....but to me an "eye for and eye" isn't the answer (you notice I said "for ME"?).

TkH<-----+=! No Boundary

Message: 18900 Posted: Mon Sep 24 14:15:35 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: world topics and new topic

Interesting viewpoints all!

Who is going to the Coach House Friday night?????

Message: 18899 Posted: Mon Sep 24 14:03:09 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: may I be so bold

With all due respect John, I don't think anyone is trying "to solve the world's problems on this chat folder". It's just some friendly and civil exchange. Perhaps though, it IS best not to discuss sex, politics, or religion. It's difficult though not to talk about the subject that has the whole world buzzing.

Message: 18898 Posted: Mon Sep 24 13:38:40 2001 By: John Corbett
Subject: Re: may I be so bold

Mark, I agree with a lot of what you say about the ongoing conflicts in the Middle East, and it is true that many Arab and/or Islamic governments like to use the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a crutch to deflect criticism of their own governments. Yet I do not agree with many of your assertions with regard to the blame of the Palestinians or innocence of the Israelis in their conflict. We could talk for quite a while about the chaotic and unstable nature of Israel's "democracy", (Sharon was elected precisely because Israeli Arabs boycotted the election) the lack of any voting rights for the millions of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, especially those whom have had their land stripped for settlements, and the social apartheid structure in Israel proper. I don't think this is the proper forum for such a debate, though. We ought to do what we can to support our favorite country and our favorite rock group, but I don't think we can -- or should -- try to solve the world's problems on this chat folder.



Message: 18897 Posted: Mon Sep 24 12:36:25 2001 By: kiri
Subject: sorry/thanks

great response to the articles!

but after i posted i felt badly for taking up America topic space. so let me add that i played NTN trivia this weekend and racked up some serious points off of not one, but TWO America questions! it was cool as people around me mentioned they didn't know America did the songs that were the hints in the questions - i did a little "complete greatest hits" PR work after that.

Message: 18896 Posted: Mon Sep 24 12:00:02 2001 By: Mark
Subject: Re: may I be so bold

I would just like to offer a few comments. First the articles obviously reflect the writers' biases. That is meant as a statement of fact, not a criticism. I just wanted to bring that out, that these articles are editorial rather than reports.

I would take issue with several assertions in the articles.

First the assertion that the bombing of Libya had no effect. This is incorrect. Prior to the bombing Libya was THE major state supporting terrorists in the world. They had been behind several bombings that had killed dozens in Europe and the Middle East. After the bombing (which nearly killed Libya's leader) Libya's active participation and support in acts of terror ceased for many years. Even now they only offer passive support for terrorists.

The war with Iraq was needed to protect the world's oil supplies from being taken over by an evil megalomaniac. Kuwait would have been just the first step had we not intervened. In fact, our failing in the Iraqi war was that we did not pursue it vigorously enough. We quit before we should have.

The conflict between Palestinians and Israelis is often cited as the core problem. Though in all honesty if it weren't for Israel, there would be another conflict that would be used as an excuse to hate the US. The Arab and Muslim world is rife with conflicts and fighting. Iraq hates Kuwait, Iran hates Iraq, Libya and Egypt have fought border wars, Algeria has designs on Tunisia, in Jordan the minority Bedouins' crushed a Palestinian uprising in the 70s, Lebanon is still fighting a decades old civil war that was started in large part by Palestinians, Sudan is trying to exterminate non-Muslims, the Kurds are fighting Turkey, Iraq, and Iran, even Afghanistan is still fighting a decades old civil war. But some seem to want us to believe that the source of all the troubles in the Mid East is Israel and the reason for international hatred of the US is our support of Israel; which despite all its faults is the ONLY democracy in the Middle East and the ONLY country in the Middle East where Arabs can actually vote for their representatives in government (btw that makes a great trivia question: what is the only country in the Middle East where Arabs can vote for their leaders? Answer: Israel).

Sorry but I don't buy it. If it weren't for Israel, it would be something else. Israel made numerous concessions to the Palestinians during the past decade. They even allowed the creation of the Palestinian Authority and gave them autonomy and were heading towards independence for Palestinians; but the Palestinians refused to compromise. When you have two parties claiming the same land, but only one side seems to be willing to compromise, is there any wonder that there is a conflict? The public schools run by the Palestinian Authority teaches their children from the earliest grades that the Jews are the enemy and need to be destroyed. Is it any wonder that there is conflict? Besides if we really believe in freedom and democracy, then it is our duty to stand beside a small country like Israel, which at one time or another has been threatened with extermination by all of its larger neighbors!

The articles state that instead of fighting to bring terrorists to justice, we should start a bunch of international social programs to help the poor. Sorry but it just does not work that way. Decades of spending trillions fighting poverty in our cities with no real progress should be a testament to that failure. But if you need more proof, guess what country provides Afghanistan with the most aid and relief? The US! In fact, just a few days before the bombing the Taliban jailed several relief workers for basically the crime of being Christian. Guess what country provides Egypt and Pakistan with the most aid (you know those are two of the countries where many of their citizens took to the streets in celebration when news of the WTC attacks were broadcast)? If you guessed the US you are correct again. In fact the US is the most generous nation in world history! No country comes close to the amount of international aid provided by the US!

But you cannot buy the friendship or respect of those who hate you and your freedom. Let's don't be naive. There are many evil people in this world. There always has been. Appeasement does not work on tyrants, it merely emboldens them. Tyrants only respect strength. Their only restraint is fear. Now is the time to put fear in their hearts.

The US is not perfect; it has many flaws and has made many mistakes. But it is still the greatest nation that has ever existed on the face of the earth!

Message: 18895 Posted: Mon Sep 24 11:32:29 2001 By: RichM
Subject: may I be so bold

I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments expressed by Kiri. As a country, we need to reexamine our role in the world and do more to end hunger, and to promote sustainable economic development worldwide. While I support some form of military action against the terrorists responsible for the recent attacks and perhaps against the Taliban government directly, I believe we are more likely to win this "war" if we work to stamp out the economic and other reasons that permit regimes like the Taliban and people like bin laden to gain power. I'll step off my soap box now. Thanks for allowing me to digress.


Message: 18894 Posted: Mon Sep 24 10:14:22 2001 By: kiri
Subject: may i be so bold #3

While Michael Moore is considerably sarcastic, he makes some interesting points to at least think about. Again, I hope my sharing these does not offend but simply widen the circle of discussion. Thanks!

--Michael Moore, September 19
"…Bush keeps calling what we are in "a war." Has anyone told him that the more he keeps using this word, the more HE puts US in jeopardy? A "war" implies that two sides are participating in an action to kill as many of the other side as possible. Bush and the pundits use the word like it’s a one-sided deal, like we’re going to be the only ones doing the bombing. War means we bomb them, then they bomb us. That’s what war is, you idiots. We strike Afghanistan, then the terrorists drop a canister of chemical weapons in the New York subway. We send in a group of commandos and wipe out a camp of Muslims, they take out the Sears Tower.

All of you who are screaming for war: are you prepared to pay the price, to take thousands of more casualties? Because, my big, macho-talking friends, THAT is what this kind of war would be like. America is a complex and open society with a massive and intricate infrastructure that is fragile and vulnerable and susceptible to easy attack and disruption. IT CAN BE BROUGHT DOWN WITH A BOXCUTTER. Let me repeat that:

Nearly a week with no stock market, no commercial television, no professional sports, three days with no planes in the air (for the first time since 1911), no airports open, the country essentially shut down. A week later and the phone lines still don’t all work. A boxcutter, folks! Do not be misled into thinking he with the biggest missile is going to win this "war."

We will never be able to protect all of us from this kind of terrorism. Back and forth, more buildings bombed, more planes downed, more innocent American lives lost. When does this end? After we have killed every terrorist? When exactly is THAT scheduled to happen? Or is it just when we kill Osama bin Laden, then we win the war? Are you serious? We couldn’t even assassinate Hitler during a massive World War that lasted 6 years!

Bush now says this is "a war against the evil people in the world." Oh, really? THAT war! Yeah, we should be able to defeat "evil," oh, sometime in the next millennium or two. Get a grip. "War" is not going to get the justice we demand or make us more safe. You know it and I know it. There is a different way to go, and I will lay it out in a later letter, but to simplify it for now and put it in a nutshell, it goes like this:
One billion people on this planet have no clean drinking water. Two billion have no electricity. Three billion have never made a phone call from their home. We have the money and the people-power to alter ALL of this. We also have the moral imperative to stop supporting repressive regimes and corporations who exploit these people.

When we decide to help improve these billions of people’s lives, we will pull the rug out from under the terrorists who need those they send to their deaths to be poor and exploited and angry at us. The multi-millionaire bin Laden isn’t going to give up HIS life!

When all the people in the Middle East have food on the table, a decent home, a good job, and democratic control over their own lives, who among them is going to be convinced to sacrifice his life by crashing himself into a tall office building?
Sure, there will always be those who go insane and kill without reason. The British saw that in a Dunblane schoolyard, we saw it in Oklahoma City. There will always be religious fanatics willing to kill and be killed because they believe God has so ordered them. Ask the families of the assassinated women’s clinics’ doctors in Buffalo and Florida about those willing to commit evil in the name of religion in America.

There IS a way to protect us from further attack, to lift the rest of the world out of its misery, but it requires some smarts and some guts, two things in short supply in Washington these days."

Message: 18893 Posted: Mon Sep 24 10:12:07 2001 By: kiri
Subject: may i be so bold #2

I apologize but I believe I got this from the New York Times, and I did not copy down the author.

"...There will be a U.S. response, but stamping out terrorism will confront serious dangers and obstacles.In many ways, it will be unlike any war the U.S. and its allies have ever fought, but in one important way it will be the same. It will again be important to gain and retain the loyalty of peoples who live where the enemy dwells. That thought may grate on the nerves of Americans who want a massive retaliation, but an understanding of that point within the Bush administration may make the difference between defeat and victory. The challenge is to destroy terrorism in such a way as to leave America's reputation for fairness and justice undamaged. That is a tall order at a time when Americans demand action, but it is essential to the retention of the friendship and loyalty that manifested itself so dramatically around the globe last week.

It is essential that Americans not regard all Muslims as enemies. Even in Pakistan, Afghanistan and the West Bank ordinary people yearn for the liberties America enjoys. They are no fans of those who threaten those liberties. Muslims in the U.S. are not some Fifth Column, but mostly people who have come to the U.S. looking for a better life than they could find back home. The FBI, in its search for terrorist accomplices, needs the cooperation of Muslim communities and most likely will get it. An American jihad against the entire Muslim world would play into the hands of the terrorists by radicalizing entire populations. If that happens, the battle is lost.

The Russian experience shows why a war on terrorism must be tightly focused. Bombing Kabul and Kandahar, the two principle Afghan cities, would serve no purpose. They already have been destroyed by 23 years of warfare. Their inhabitants are destitute. What in fact must be done, with or without the consent of the Taliban government, is to go after the dozen or so terrorist training camps of Osama bin Laden. But that is only the beginning. There are cells of bin Laden's Qaeda movement in many countries, including Muslim states stretching from Algeria to the Philippines, and in the West.

In countries striving for political stability and Western acceptance, such as Pakistan, local leaders will quietly welcome U.S. help in destroying these cells. That's because they are a menace to those governments. But they will only welcome that help if they have some assurance that it will be effective. Cruise missile attacks by the Clinton administration on Sudan and Afghanistan after the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya were worse than useless because they accomplished nothing and diminished respect for U.S. power."

Message: 18892 Posted: Mon Sep 24 10:09:50 2001 By: kiri
Subject: may i be so bold

it has been very interesting and worthwhile to read people's views on this board as well as views from the media, friends, neighbors and community (doing a lot of NPR listening lately).

may i be so bold as to take up this posting and two more postings with some excerpts of articles in the media? just something to include in your mind while shaping your opinion. they may be a tad long but i believe worth pondering over. i'm not sure if i 100% agree with any of the text i'm providing as i'm not intending to attack anyone's previous opinions but simply to provide a viewpoint i seem to be leaning toward.

Howard Zinn: Violence Doesn't Work
September 14, 2001
"...We can all feel a terrible anger at whoever, in their insane idea that this would help their cause, killed thousands of innocent people. But what do we do with that anger? Do we react with panic, strike out violently and blindly just to show how tough we are? "We shall make no distinction," the President proclaimed, "between terrorists and countries that harbor terrorists." Will we now bomb Afghanistan, and inevitably kill innocent people, because it is in the nature of bombing to be indiscriminate, to "make no distinction"? Will we then be committing terrorism in order to "send a message" to terrorists?

We have done that before. It is the old way of thinking, the old way of acting. It has never worked. Reagan bombed Libya, and Bush made war on Iraq, and Clinton bombed Afghanistan and also a pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan, to "send a message" to terrorists. And then comes this horror in New York and Washington. Isn't it clear by now that sending a message to terrorists through violence doesn't work, only leads to more terrorism?

Haven't we learned anything from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Car bombs planted by Palestinians bring air attacks and tanks by the Israeli government. That has been going on for years. It doesn't work.

And innocent people die on both sides.

Yes, it is an old way of thinking, and we need new ways. We need to think about the resentment all over the world felt by people who have been the victims of American military action. In Vietnam, where we carried out terrorizing bombing attacks, using napalm and cluster bombs,on peasant villages. In Latin America, where we supported dictators and death squads in Chile and El Salvador and other countries. In Iraq, where a million people have died as a result of our economic sanctions, And, perhaps most important for understanding the current situation, in the occupied territories of the West Bank and Gaza, where a million and more Palestinians live under a cruel military occupation, while our government supplies Israel with high-tech weapons.

We need to imagine that the awful scenes of death and suffering we are now witnessing on our television screens have been going on in other parts of the world for a long time, and only now can we begin to know what people have gone through, often as a result of our policies. We need to understand how some of those people will go beyond quiet anger to acts of terrorism.

We need new ways of thinking. A $300 billion dollar military budget has not given us security. Military bases all over the world, our warships on every ocean, have not given us security. Land mines and a "missile defense shield" will not give us security. We need to rethink our position in the world. We need to stop sending weapons to countries that oppress other people or their own people. We need to decide that we will not go to war, whatever reason is conjured up by the politicians of the media, because war in our time is always indiscriminate, a war against innocents, a war against children. War is terrorism, magnified a hundred times.

Our security can only come by using our national wealth, not for guns, planes, bombs, but for the health and welfare of our people - for free medical care for everyone, education and housing guaranteed decent wages and a clean environment for all. We can not be secure by limiting our liberties, as some of our political leaders are demanding, but only by expanding them.

We should take our example not from our military and political leaders shouting "retaliate" and "war" but from the doctors and nurses and medical students and firemen and policemen who have been saving lives in the midst of mayhem, whose first thoughts are not violence, but healing, not vengeance but compassion.
--Howard Zinn is a columnist for The Progressive.

Message: 18891 Posted: Mon Sep 24 10:00:37 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Great new look for!

Agreed. It's less "Messy" however and a good start. Now if we had more From the Moving train.....

Message: 18890 Posted: Mon Sep 24 09:44:33 2001 By: Terry T.
Subject: Re: Great new look for!

Looks aren't everything but at least the Webmistress is trying now. Someone else has to provide some up-to-date content now.

Message: 18889 Posted: Mon Sep 24 09:25:50 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Forgiveness vs Justice


Message: 18888 Posted: Mon Sep 24 09:01:55 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Great new look for!

Our pleas have been answered ( thanks guys) The site is great. Check it out.

Message: 18887 Posted: Mon Sep 24 08:00:01 2001 By: Terry T.
Subject: From Lewinsky to Laden

We've come a long way since '98. Unprecedented investigative personnel and resources consumed in all those years as the terrorists rehearsed...and snickered while our focus was on... well, you know. Legislative meetings day after day, grand juries, evidence gathering, classified tape recordings, search and seizure, trials. The war against Clinton was finally won...or over, at least. Then came the intense ballot counting months. More time for the suicidal fungus to fine tune its schemes.

Clinton proposed, among other things, to trace bin Laden's financial trail way back when. The idea was shot down by the very people now in power and taking credit for their "New War". The only winner so far has been and will be the media as it molds or is used in an attemp to mold us into hysterical spectators. Remember the war on drugs? The war on poverty?

The fruitcake enemey we're now dealing with has hate alright, but that's only part of it. They *think* they love their god and vice versa to such an extent that they are in total ecstasy, without fear, in the moments preceding their sure death from the acts they commit. They have been brainwashed from childhood to believe that a special place awaits them in their paradise, along with eternal ownership of 72 virgins! They become the heroes of their own people and the cycle continues.

They are everywhere and aren't necessarily called by the organizations that exist but rather volunteer themselves. This whole way of "thinking" has to be dealt with. Until something can replace their twisted view of creation with a better theory by example, they will continue to exist. I agree that it's a new kind of war (originally declared on us) but it didn't just start in the last couple of weeks. It's just starting to show more.

Message: 18886 Posted: Mon Sep 24 06:43:50 2001 By: Mark
Subject: Forgiveness vs Justice

As a Christian, American, and father of sons who may be called on to fight, I have many mixed emotions about what we are embarking on as a Nation. As individuals the Bible tells us to turn the other cheek when we are offended and to pray for our enemies. No doubt that is what we should do as individuals, because anger and hate will only hurt the person who has it in them.

However, the same Bible gives government the responsibility and duty to execute justice. The Bible commands us as individuals not to commit murder; but it also tells us that those who do commit murder should be put to death. Romans chapter 13 tells us that government is a terror to those who do evil.

"For he (the ruler) is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he bearth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." Romans 13:4

It is President Bush's and the US Government's duty and responsibility to seek out these evil people and bring them to justice by whatever means are necessary, including going to war. To do anything less would be a failure of the Government to fulfill it's responsibility to protect the people. These are not nice people that we are dealing with! If we fail to respond with force, they will merely be emboldened to try more. The evidence is clear that these terrorists have been trying desperately to obtain chemical, biological, and even nuclear weapons to use in our cities. What would have happened if they would have set off even a small nuclear bomb in NY? Being nice or giving in to fear will not help. Now is the time for the sword!

Message: 18885 Posted: Mon Sep 24 06:28:33 2001 By: Pat B.
Subject: Re: War IS the answer

>>"...go after the wives and kids..."<<

hey andy; let's not forget to 'go after' their pets too! and while we're at it, let's kill every blade of grass that grows under their feet! *LOL*

Message: 18884 Posted: Sun Sep 23 21:50:51 2001 By: holiday
Subject: Postcard from Thailand

Just to let you know that the hearts of the world are with all Americans at this troubled time. We have just reached Thailand after trekking through Germany and Poland. I can safely say that Poland is right behind the American cause. We were blown away by the feelings of support - candle light parades through the streets of Warsaw to the American Embassy in the week of the tragedy. The whole street was a mass of candles and flowers left at the gates of the Embassy - a true World Of Light. People were burning candles in their front windows. I think if any people know the terrors of war and of innocent people being wiped out by invaders, it is the Polish people - especially if anyone has seen Aushwitz. The strong feelings of support was exemplified in that any American showing their passport were given free entry to all the tourist spots. I add the support of all Australians to those affected by events in the past weeks - god speed the bringing to justice of the cowards responsible.
On a brighter note, I was watching MTV Asia in my room this morning and who should come on but our guys singing "You Can Do Magic" - definitely a 1983 vintage clip by the hair length and Gerry's horn rim The theme was magic card tricks with the cards turning into a shot of the guys playing the song - I had never seen the clip before!
Back to good old Aus next week - looking forward to seeing the promotions for the new Definitive America release.

Message: 18883 Posted: Sun Sep 23 21:43:22 2001 By: ANDY
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Grandpa Alert!

Mazel Tov !!!!!!! Congratulations Grandpa !!!!!!!!!

What a beautiful Baby !!!!

Message: 18882 Posted: Sun Sep 23 21:38:24 2001 By: ANDY
Subject: War IS the answer

Holy wars. Wars on Terrorism. If we kill it only shows we're at the terrorists much as I hear my friends talking about making Afganistan a "glass field" I don't think a war is an answer....

So what's the answer? Getting Bin Laden's crew to sit down with us around a campfire, smoke a peace pipe, and talk out our differences? Perhaps if we only sang "Give Peace A Chance" with the terrorists, they would see the misguided manner in which they behaved.

No folks, the answer is not just reducing Afgahanistan to a burned out cinder block, the answer must include killing Bin Laden, Bin Laden's followers in EVERY country that harbours them, and to target the families of terrorists and their sympathizers...Yes folks, that means go after the wives and kids. Sound harsh? Good. As long as those cockroaches spend their waking moments worrying about when the next bomb or bullet will take out their wives, kids, or themselves, the less time they will have to plot against the USA or Isreal. Let their first priority become survival, and not plotting against us or Isreal.

They strated this war, now let's finish them off, and show as much mercy as they showed the occupants of the World Trade Center.


Message: 18881 Posted: Sun Sep 23 20:14:44 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re:talk

Leaky, I thought your reference to the lyrics of "Donkey Jaw" aka "Satan" were right-on!

Regarding my "message of love", it's "missile" and not "missle" but I'm sure you all knew that. It's certainly not "mistle" as in mistletoe. :0)

Beech, you do have me wondering what you think the answer is to our nation's situation if it's not war. Care to say?

To SL: Cute grandbaby!!!

Message: 18880 Posted: Sun Sep 23 15:25:40 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Grandpa Alert!

Pictures, you ask (LOL)??? Well, I had my digital camera with me (translation - I only have about 50). I'll spare you all the family photos by sharing just two:

1. Daughter (Cara) and granddaughter (Britney) just minutes after the blessed arrival last night
2. Closeup of Britney taken today

Thanks for all the well wishes and personal e-mail messages.

Message: 18879 Posted: Sun Sep 23 15:16:06 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: A Bit of America Trivia

In 1973, Kenny Rogers and The First Edition had a soundtrack LP called "Rollin'" from their tv show. Gerry's "I NEED YOU" was featured by Rogers and The First Edition. Other songs on the LP are Good Vibrations; The Long And Winding Road, The Border Song (Elton John), Sylvia's Mother, Paperback Writer, Get Back, Coconut (Harry Nilsson), and Morning Has Broken.

Message: 18878 Posted: Sun Sep 23 13:26:51 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Grandpa Alert!

Yippee Gramps!!! Congrats!

Message: 18877 Posted: Sun Sep 23 11:56:01 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Grandpa Alert!

Congrats Steve! Will there be pictures soon??????

Message: 18876 Posted: Sun Sep 23 08:25:23 2001 By: EDDY
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Grandpa Alert!

To The Proud Grandpa:
CONGRATULATIONS on your new addition!!

Message: 18875 Posted: Sun Sep 23 07:27:24 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Grandpa Alert!

I see even more babysitting in your near future!! (C= Have even more fun, Mr. L!!!! How 'bout a pic or two?

TkH<-------+=! No Boundary

Message: 18874 Posted: Sun Sep 23 06:30:33 2001 By: LisaRose
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Grandpa Alert!

Congratulations Steve and to Trent and his mom and dad too!! What beautiful names--Trent and Britney!!

Message: 18873 Posted: Sat Sep 22 21:12:16 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Off Topic - Grandpa Alert!

I'll keep this short and sweet - my grandson, Trenton, has a new baby sister! It's hard to believe that Trent is already 2 1/2 and tonight his sister, Britney, was born. Both mother and (grand)daugther are doing fine!

Now back to America!

Message: 18872 Posted: Sat Sep 22 16:24:22 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Well It's About WAR.....

I think "love" is the answer....a cruise missle sent with love!

Message: 18871 Posted: Sat Sep 22 14:40:21 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Well It's About WAR.....

Holy wars. Wars on Terrorism. If we kill it only shows we're at the terrorists much as I hear my friends talking about making Afganistan a "glass field" I don't think a war is an answer....

TkH<---------+=! No Boundary

Message: 18870 Posted: Sat Sep 22 09:24:54 2001 By: Beth
Subject: Talk

Last night's Telethon was very well done. Moved me to tears many times. Most memorable performance is a tie between Neil Young doing John Lennon's "Imagine" and Paul Simon on "Bridge over Troubled Water" Neil really nailed it. I was greatly inspired. Goose bumps!

Most memorable talk was Wil Smith's words, "Hate is what caused this attack, Not Religion." The prayer I am saying in my heart is that we can all get to that place, knowing it was Hate, Not Religion. And that we may respond with Force, but not with Hate.

Howard, my thoughts are with you. In my mind I go to the bottom of the rubble, in that dark and grey place, smokey and full of pain. I greatly appreciate you sharing the other side of that, the love and the care and the gratitude to our heroes, coursed thru with pain, but mostly filled with love and admiration.


Message: 18869 Posted: Sat Sep 22 09:05:45 2001 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: Re:talk

God Bless our children's generation who will be in the trenchs of this war...I am proud that they are willing to fight this war for freedom

"Ah, get behind me Satan
Quit ravishing the land
Does it take the children
To make you understand?

Ah, all across the nation
People don't understand
Does it take the children
To make a better land?"

Message: 18868 Posted: Sat Sep 22 06:18:54 2001 By: Margaret
Subject: Definitive promotion

The Definitive America was finally released in Australia this week.There has been heavy promotion for it on a Sydney classic hits radio station. People phone in each hour to try to win $1000 by guessing which of the ten songs just played will be replayed on a juke box. I was driving a lot on Wednesday and heard three people miss out on the $1000 but they all were given The Definitive America, courtesy of Warner Bros. I listened briefly on Thursday and Friday afternoon and heard it again, so I assume it was given away all week.
I found it in a suburban music shop this morning (considerably cheaper than the one I bought in London!). It was an Australian release as opposed to the German one I bought. It had a label on it saying "As seen on TV", so it looks like there may be TV coverage here too.
I, too, am intrigued why Warners would release two different compilations at almost the same time in different parts of the world. As far as I know, the songs Mark mentioned were not hits here. I would have thought that the two new new songs would have encouraged sales in countries other than the US.

Message: 18867 Posted: Fri Sep 21 23:55:49 2001 By: Terry T.
Subject: Re: talk

Agreed! Especially since all the talk is of "America's New War". For everything there is a season...

Some lines by Sidney Sheldon:

The Eagle

The eagle soars and flies in peace
And casts its shadow wide
Across the land, across the seas
Across the far-flung skies
The foolish think the eagle weak
And easy to bring to heel
The Eagle's wings are silken
But its claws are made of steel
The eagle stands for freedom
May we never let it die
And give thanks for all our blessings
As we watch the eagle fly

Message: 18866 Posted: Fri Sep 21 20:03:47 2001 By: Joe Knight
Subject: talk

Time for talk is over. Now its time for war Jk

Message: 18865 Posted: Fri Sep 21 18:56:08 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: If AMERICA Were In The Spotlight....

But then again, maybe it's not a good idea for AMERICA, having our country's name, to be in the spotlight with the terrorism that has taken place and that may still take place. It's a tough call.

Message: 18864 Posted: Fri Sep 21 18:36:18 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Well It's About TIME.....

Yeah Beech, I saw it too but it was several days ago. I was "just clickin' around" when I thought I saw Gerry. Sure enough I did and I next saw Dewey! It really surprised me and made me feel good.

On a different matter, why isn't AMERICA on the "America: Tribute To Heroes" that's currently being broadcast live tonight on a bunch of TV channels? The guys aren't performing a show until the 28th. I would have thought AMERICA would be the perfect musical artist with America (the country) in mind. I think AMERICA's performance of "Hope" would be fitting.

I think there needs to be a push for AMERICA performances during this time. I'm available for PR work! :0)

Message: 18863 Posted: Fri Sep 21 17:04:59 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Well It's About TIME.....

Tuned on the boobtube yesterday at about 4:20 P.M. (channel 6-NBC affiliate) and what did I see? A promo for the new America/Rhino offering!!!!!!!!! Well I be dag gummed! A whole minute of clips and sound tidbits! I was shakin' my head, dag na bit! It's about TIME!!!! (C=

TkH<-----+=! No Boundary, Snuffy.

Message: 18862 Posted: Fri Sep 21 16:56:33 2001 By: jeff brink
Subject: Re: As Tears Go By...

I'm sorry Howard.

Message: 18861 Posted: Fri Sep 21 13:40:38 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: More Lyrics For This Current Time In History

Perhaps all the rhetoric between the US and the Afghani government...up to and including last night's speech by President Bush...can be summed up with a few lines from Gerry's "All My Life".

We started on our way
I do recall
That every moment spent was wasted time
but then I chose to lay it on the line

(Indeed he did "lay it on the line" and beautifully, imho)

Message: 18860 Posted: Fri Sep 21 11:02:05 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Triv Answer From "Prespective"

Question: In Europe, Germany for sure anyway, what single was released with "Special Girl" as its flipside?

Answer: "Special Girl" is the "B" side to "WE'VE GOT ALL NIGHT"!

(Thanks for the compliment "badgirl"....I mean "batgirl")

Message: 18859 Posted: Fri Sep 21 10:43:28 2001 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Palmdale Concert Postponed

Thanks for the update Stevo !

Message: 18858 Posted: Fri Sep 21 09:50:54 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: As Tears Go By... (For Howie)

Lyrics from Gerry's song "5th Avenue" for Howie but with a minor change in the street name:

Somewhere deep in my heart I'm hurtin'
'Cause I keep on remembering you
Walking down 8th Avenue
Walking down 8th Avenue
Such a long way to go

Walking down 8th Avenue
Can't seem to shake the thought of you
Even in the dark of night
Your memories of shining light

Though I'm tryin' to change direction
I pray what I saw ain't true
Walking down 8th Avenue
Walking down 8th Avenue
Such a long way to go

Message: 18857 Posted: Fri Sep 21 09:20:05 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: As Tears Go By...

Up until now, I've been very distraught about the WTC tragedy, especially working only 2 miles away from where the tragedy happened. I haven't cried up until this morning. But, this morning I decided to walk straight up 8th avenue and then cut over to 55th street (I usually cut through buildings but just didn't feel like it.) When I got up to around 46th street I believe, I came across a firehouse. In front of this firehouse were tons of bouquets of flowers, massive notes taped to the windows and lots of candles lit, all spread out in front. In the middle of the 2 fire house garage doors were 9 pictures of the firemen who lost their lives from that particular firehouse. 9! not 1 or 2 or 3, but NINE that are still missing!!!! It was the smiles on their pics that really really got to me. There were pictures also with their kids, etc that really finished it off.
For the next 2 blocks I was just wiping the tears from eyes and shaking my head....

Message: 18856 Posted: Fri Sep 21 08:39:05 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Palmdale Concert Postponed

FYI: The America show scheduled for September 29 in Palmdale, CA has been rescheduled for October 27th. The venue is yet to be announced. I'll update the concert list accordingly this weekend. --SteveL

Message: 18855 Posted: Fri Sep 21 08:03:12 2001 By: Mark
Subject: Complete vs Definitive

I was just noticing the different songs on the Definitive America CD (which is Rhino's international greatest hits compilation) versus the domestic Complete Greatest Hits. I know Survival and Last Unicorn were a hits in other countries but not in the US, which explains why they were included on Definitive and excluded on Complete. But I wonder if some of the other songs on Definitive, like Rainbow Song, She's Gonna Let You Down, and Political Poachers were hits overseas too. Anybody know why some of the songs on Definitive were included?

Message: 18854 Posted: Fri Sep 21 07:51:27 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: New Gig

According to the web site for the Rams Head Tavern where America will be playing in October, they have added a second night. Here's what it says:

This band performed one of the top 5 favorite shows at the Rams Head last year... with hits like Sister Golden Hair Surprise, Horse With
No Name and a list-as-long-as-your-arm... This is a must see!

Friday, October 5 at 7:00 p.m. and 9:30 p.m.

Wed. October 10 at 7 and 9:30 p.m.

Many thanks to EEisenhauer for making me aware of it.

Message: 18853 Posted: Fri Sep 21 07:46:41 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: just a thought..

Way to go, Janice!

P.S. I'm glad the Chat Folder is back, too, and it looks like none of the previous messages were lost. The server technicians weren't sure if they would be able to restore them or not.

Message: 18852 Posted: Fri Sep 21 05:56:27 2001 By: Janice
Subject: just a thought..

Good morning! I wanted to share something with you all as a means of "getting the juices flowing" on how gestures, big and small can help the heroic efforts of the firefighters in NY.
I have never mentioned it, but I own a small business called Sound Machine Mobile DJ ( and we have volunteered our services to the Coweta Fire Dept to provide free entertainment, as well as to donate an evening of music, lights, etc to a person whose ticket is drawn. All proceeds will go to NY firefighters and hopefully the hall, advertising and catering will be donated as well. I am excited, as for obvious reasons I cannot give blood. Is there anything any of you can do in your community?
Off my soapbox..have a great day.

Message: 18851 Posted: Thu Sep 20 23:21:41 2001 By: Ingrid
Subject: Re: from Italy, etc.

Bruno, thank you for your kind words. I've been especially touched by the international displays of support. We see media coverage of anti-American expressions in other countries, so this has been heartening and refreshing. Anche, grazie per le cartoline illustrate belle!

Johnny, I think that you and Mayor T. do have similar perspectives on many things. This does not scare me. In fact, I find it strangely comforting . . . . : )

I'm wondering if the RED OAK has taken a drink from the LITTLE RIVER.


Message: 18850 Posted: Thu Sep 20 21:30:32 2001 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: re:World of Light

thank you Beth and Kiri for the insight of Kahlil Gibran

"From the southern skies
To the children's eyes
Through an endless night
This world of light"

Message: 18849 Posted: Thu Sep 20 18:11:20 2001 By: sylvain
Subject: Homecoming DVD Audio

Sorry I don't post very often, I'm more of a reader than a writer. I work in a music store HMV and today the Warner representative showed me the promo sheet for the new Homecoming being released on DVD Audio format. No extra songs but lots of pictures and video interviews. Will be in 5.1 Dolby stereo. For those of you not knowing what DVD Audio is, its all the music from the original album redone in full surround sound (remastered) in larger than Quadrophonic sound. Do some of you older people remember Quad? The down side is that it can only be played on a DVD player. It should be in stores mid to end october.

Message: 18848 Posted: Thu Sep 20 18:02:38 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Triv

No Shayne, but nice try. Here's a hint: It's a song sung by Gerry.

Regarding the chances of hijacking a plane from Mexico, that's good to hear that Mexico's airport security is very strict.

EE, I hear ya!!!

Message: 18847 Posted: Thu Sep 20 17:39:58 2001 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Triv Question From "Prespective"

I'm guessing that it was Cant Fall Asleep To A Lullabye.


Message: 18846 Posted: Thu Sep 20 17:39:16 2001 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: The Cowards


I don't think that that's possible. Aside from the fact that there are no countries with softer airport security than ours (gee, I packed my own bag, ma'am), each individual airline is also responsible. I know that Air Mexicana is very strict. I don't know of any smaller Mexican airlines that fly into the States.


Message: 18845 Posted: Thu Sep 20 17:10:44 2001 By: EEisenhauer
Subject: Re: Yippee!

I don't know about the rest of you, but with the chat folder down I think I was starting to have withdrawl symptoms.

Message: 18844 Posted: Thu Sep 20 17:04:28 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Triv Question From "Prespective"

As most of us know, "Special Girl" was released here in the States with "Unconditional Love" as its flipside. In Europe, Germany for sure anyway, what single was released with "Special Girl" as its flipside"?

Message: 18843 Posted: Thu Sep 20 16:55:26 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Yippee!

Yippee! We're back in action.

Message: 18842 Posted: Tue Sep 18 21:25:28 2001 By: Beth
Subject: email

Steve, Thanks! Sorry, I never even thought of it before now. Thanks for taking care of it, and duh! I could've done that at any time, very easily. Just didn't think it through.

Message: 18841 Posted: Tue Sep 18 21:17:55 2001 By: Beth
Subject: World of Light

For life and death are one, even
as the river and the sea are one.
In the depth of your hopes and desires
lies your silent knowledge of the beyond;
And like seeds dreaming beneath the snow
your heart dreams of spring.
Trust the dreams, for in them is hidden the gate to eternity.
And what is it to cease breathing,
but to free the breath from its restless tides,
that it may rise and expand and seek God unencumbered?
Only when you drink from the river of silence
shall you indeed sing.
And when you have reached the mountain top,
then you shall truly begin to climb.
And when the earth shall claim your limbs,
then you shall truly dance.

more "The Prophet" Kahlil Gibran

thank you, kiri.

Message: 18840 Posted: Tue Sep 18 19:56:34 2001 By: kiri
Subject: Re: World of Light

Your joy is your sorrow unmasked.
And the selfsame well from which your laughter rises was oftentimes filled with your tears.
And how else can it be?
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain...
...When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy.
When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight.
Some of you say, "Joy is greater than sorrow," and others say, "Nay, sorrow is the greater."
But I say unto you, they are inseparable.
Together they come, and when one sits alone with you at your board, remember that the other is asleep upon your bed.

---"The Prophet" Kahlil Gibran

Message: 18839 Posted: Tue Sep 18 19:38:11 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: email

Beth, I have changed your e-mail address for you in the Chat Folder registration. However, if you or anyone else ever needs to change it you can do it yourself by clicking on the "Update Registration" link at the top of the Chat Folder page and following the directions. But I'm always happy to help! (P.S. I'll change the e-mail address in your biography tonight - that's something that only I can change).

Message: 18838 Posted: Tue Sep 18 19:25:51 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Home Safe

Gerry wrote back to me and said that the Buenos Aires and Lima gigs were canceled for security reasons. He also said that the Central America concerts went fine and were very successful. So that answers those questions.

Message: 18837 Posted: Tue Sep 18 18:55:16 2001 By: Beth
Subject: email

Hey guys, due to unwanted spam a few months ago, I changed my email address - is not bamerce, changed c to s, is now Just so ya know. Sorry, Steve! Do you need to make changes?

Message: 18836 Posted: Tue Sep 18 16:49:08 2001 By: Beth
Subject: no words

Hello, All. Have been lurking here since last Tuesday. Only a week ago? Seems like years and years. Profound Need to Be With People. Unspeakable Sadness. Thank you all for your words and lyrics. I have found comfort for so long in Dewey, Dan, and Gerry's music. Any direct quote fails me at the moment. As they come, I will post.

My dad was Commander in Coast Guard 25 years. Retired 1971. Keeps in touch with old Coasties, even more now thru "the pipes" as he calls the internet. Sent me message he'd received from someone at Battery Park.

Guys, this message written by one milatary man, 430a the following morning. Blew me away. If anyone wants to read in its entirety, give me a yell, I'll forward. But the one sentence I want to share, relates to a man who walked up to the gate, turns out he was Admiral and had offices on 62nd Floor Tower 1. "When Tower 2 came down all I could see was a light and a firefighter saying follow me"

No words, comrads. I have no words. Peace to all, God Bless America
Stay tuned,

Message: 18835 Posted: Tue Sep 18 14:27:08 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Home Safe

I'm not sure what's up with the Lima gig. I checked the web site and they have a different concert list than I do but I know that mine agrees with the latest information that I got from Morey Management. I can only assume that the concert was either canceled or that my list is wrong. Either way, there won't be a concert in Lima tomorrow.

Message: 18834 Posted: Tue Sep 18 14:22:44 2001 By: bruno
Subject: from Italy

In Italy al are sad for tragedy of New York, Washington, Pittsburg.
U.S.A. is very very great Country: with strenght and courage to fight terrorism.
Ciao all

Message: 18833 Posted: Tue Sep 18 14:18:39 2001 By: Janice
Subject: re: Home Safe

Thank goodness. I had wondered also how they would do while traveling. Air travel will be forever changed, and speaking as someone who has been in the industry for 20 years, it is about time. I read today that the pilots will be taking matters more into their own hands to secure the cockpit. They will use flight maneuvers and security measures not ever allowed before. I say good for them.
My oldest son is a future commercial pilot (unless I can talk him out of it during the next 4 years)...I say, "Gimme a Winnebago!"
Close to home, a girl at my son's school lost her uncle as he was working in WTC 1, and her cousin escaped. Pity to have had her cousin lose his dad as he looked on. His body has been recovered.
I tied red, white and blue ribbons on my car today..I encourage you all to show your patriotism in ways you deem appropriate as well.
God Bless America.

Message: 18832 Posted: Tue Sep 18 13:07:04 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Another Lyric

No fortune pays for wounds like these

(From Gerry's 'No Fortune')

Message: 18831 Posted: Tue Sep 18 12:53:22 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Home Safe

Glad to hear that the guys are safely back home!

So, the Lima, Peru gig is cancelled then? It was scheduled for the 19th or is Peru a whole day ahead of us?

Message: 18830 Posted: Tue Sep 18 12:07:30 2001 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: Home Safe

Thanks, Gerry, for letting us know, and to Steve for passing it along. I have been thinking about them, wondering if they'd be able to get back into the country in a timely manner.
ShariL <><

Message: 18829 Posted: Tue Sep 18 11:36:32 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Home Safe

I got a brief note from Gerry today saying that they have arrived safely at home and thanking everyone for the birthday greetings. Welcome home guys!

Message: 18828 Posted: Tue Sep 18 10:09:35 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: autographs

I didn't know that TerryT had posted a message about Rebolt's autograph story until after I submitted mine. Like minds, I'd say. Scarey!!! :0)

Message: 18827 Posted: Tue Sep 18 10:05:03 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: autographs

Rebolt, to the contrary. Your autograph story was VERY interesting especially what you told us Dewey said! Thanks for posting it.

This leads me to wonder if anyone on board here has items that Dewey, Dan, and Gerry autographed together and not autographed during two or more different occasions.

Message: 18826 Posted: Tue Sep 18 09:56:36 2001 By: Terry T.
Subject: Re: autographs

Nice autograph story! Interesting (and possibly telling) what Dewey said.

Message: 18825 Posted: Tue Sep 18 08:52:28 2001 By: rebolt
Subject: autographs

The aoutograph stories really aren't as interesting as they might seem. Although I had seen America many times with Dan Peek, the autographs didn't come until later on. I have an aquaintance who is a friend of Dan's and thanks to him, I have everything signed. Gerry and Dewey autographs came at different concerts over the years. Once I caught up with Dewey only and he autographed several Cd covers that Dan had signed. Dewey, who collects autographs himself,stated "That's what I should do. I should get Dan to autograph all of my stuff." If you can catch up with them, they both are very nice to talk to. They seem to realize, unlike many musicians, we are why they prosper.

Message: 18824 Posted: Tue Sep 18 05:24:42 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: World of Light


TkH<-------+=! No Boundary

Message: 18823 Posted: Mon Sep 17 20:57:21 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: World of Light

Very nice post, Leaky, very nice.

Message: 18822 Posted: Mon Sep 17 19:32:11 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: World of Light

Great thoughts Bill (Leaky) and everyone else!

Message: 18821 Posted: Mon Sep 17 19:19:56 2001 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: World of Light

..after reading all the great America lyrics that all of you have posted this past week... I thought about which America
Lyrics I might post......I thought about all the emotions that all of us have gone through, also I read
Michael Tomlinson's piece that tells of his ride home from Arizona to Seattle alone in a rental car because of the
airline shutdown....some of MT’s thoughts made alot of sense to me and I would like to paraphrase MT to explain
why I picked the two America songs that I chose: “What I hope happens, and what I believe will, is
that more love will come of this than was here before it happened. That is what all disasters
serve to teach if we listen; humility, honesty, faith, love, kindness, compassion. The one
thing that does not come easily with such terrible tragedy is joy. We have been taught not to
laugh after such things, that laughter is disrespect for those who have suffered and those
who still do. But since depressed people have no energy, it is up to those of us who can, to
bring back the joy and the laughter to life again. Don't be afraid to laugh and to bring that
laughter to your friends. It is every bit as healing as crying and often, it is the path to
releasing the pain and sorrow and grief that we cannot feel in our shock.” Therefor my
choices would be “Hope” which has been posted, and “World of Light” ...after we have cryed
our tears like rain....we must hope for that Rainbow to lead us to the “world of light”...

"Come on baby hold me tight
Everything's gonna be alright
I can't wait for the morning light
To come

Rainbows over the world of light
People rushing to the holy site
Sidewalks sizzle in a summer night
Of love

Come on let it rain
Let it rain
Let it rain
Let it rain
Let it rain
You know you can succeed
Let it rain"

Message: 18820 Posted: Mon Sep 17 16:03:59 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Paradise.

I'd say we're raising them right!

Message: 18819 Posted: Mon Sep 17 14:33:09 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Paradise.

Kevin, my 15 year old daughter uses my computer all the time and I keep the new Greatest Hits CD laying by the keyboard. Every time I get home from work, the Greatest HIts CD is in the CD player because she has been playing it. I think she has probably listened to it more than I have (and that's a lot!). She also knows and likes "Paradise" as well as "World Of Light". Both of them are great songs! This rising generation does have some good taste after all.

Message: 18818 Posted: Mon Sep 17 13:45:48 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: The Cowards

Shayne, right about foreigners merely having to walk into Texas from Mexico. The same thing with them being able to walk into New Mexico from Mexico. However, I was meaning that maybe terrorists could hijack an airplane from Mexico in hopes of crashing it into another American building. Perhaps Mexico's airport security is more lax than America's is now.

Message: 18817 Posted: Mon Sep 17 13:37:55 2001 By: Pat B.
Subject: Aircraft Hijacks

i've been reading everyone's posts concerning the fear of flying due to the recent horrible events. although these attacks were successful, there is no guarantee that this will be the prefered method used by future terrorists. sad to say, but these barbarians are intelligent and creative. and who knows what else they might be planning next? i'm very glad the american government has declared a war on terrorism because i believe that is exactly the right course of action the democracies of the world need to do. -pat

Message: 18816 Posted: Mon Sep 17 13:25:08 2001 By: KevinS.
Subject: Paradise.

I was driving my 15-year-old daughter and five of her friends all over town on Saturday, and I had the new America CD "The Complete Greatest Hits Featuring Classic Cuts From Every America Album Except For Harbor and Silent Letter And Alibi and Perspective and Encore and Hourglass and Human Nature." Anyway, when they all got in the car, Paradise was playing. And every girl in the car, much to my daughter's teenage horror and embarrassement, asked her who was singing. They loved the song. They said, "that song was pretty cool." Damn good focus group for you, Rhino.


Message: 18815 Posted: Mon Sep 17 12:16:33 2001 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: The Cowards

Being here in Texas, we know that they won't have to hijack a plane from Mexico. They can just walk in. Border control is extremely lax. I fear this will become much much worse before it gets better.

On the other hand, after every terror attack prior, there was always a calm (which usually lulled the US back to sleep). I am going to a conference in San Antonio in a couple of weeks. I cancelled the flight though. I figred that with increased security and wait times at the airport, it would take me about the same amount of time. Plus, I won't have to hold my breath for the hour I'm airborne.


Message: 18814 Posted: Mon Sep 17 12:06:16 2001 By: Pete
Subject: Re: The Cowards

I felt pretty safe believe it or not, flying back from Orlando. Their were two good size men that were airline stewarts along with one girl. After we make our first milltary strike then things are going to be pretty scarey because you know what they will do after that. But something has to be done. Just keep the faith.

Message: 18813 Posted: Mon Sep 17 11:51:55 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: The Cowards

Right Pete! I believe in an afterlife. When I think of those terrorists on board those doomed flights, I can't help but think of Dewey's song, "Hell's On Fire". I think their day HAS come!

On a personal note if I may: Yesterday I spoke with my flight attendant sister Eva who lives in NYC. I asked her if she's scared to fly now. Surprisingly to me, she said she isn't too much but just a little even though she believes more acts of terror are to come. She said everyone must continue to live and work like before the tragic events of last Tuesday. As I said, that really surprised me hearing that from her because I thought she'd say she's very scared.

I wonder what the chances are of terrorists hijacking a plane from Mexico and flying to the US and doing something?

Message: 18812 Posted: Mon Sep 17 10:56:00 2001 By: Pete
Subject: Re: Back from Clearwater

I hear ya Johnny, Cowards all the way. Their day is coming, either in this world or the next.

Message: 18811 Posted: Mon Sep 17 09:51:37 2001 By: msmith
Subject: autographs

rebolt, i'm impressed and would also be interested in the story behind the autographs.

Message: 18810 Posted: Mon Sep 17 09:34:08 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Back from Clearwater

Pete, thanks for report regarding H&O.

Just heard President Bush said that one of the female passengers on one of the doomed flights, had her throat slit. How sickening!

Message: 18809 Posted: Mon Sep 17 09:21:48 2001 By: melzer
Subject: more lyric's

Hi everyone, This song touched my heart when I heard it. Just the title speaks for itself. "Helplessly Hopeing" by "CSNY". Clearwater concert was great!!!!! Mel :)

Message: 18808 Posted: Mon Sep 17 08:55:46 2001 By: Pete
Subject: Back from Clearwater

Hi everyone, this is Pete from upstate NY. Just got back from florida this past saturday evening. Saw America at clearwater and they did a excellent job as usual. Johnny, you ask how Hall and Oats were. I thought they were execellent with a lot of energy. Both bands did a great job and well worth the money. I just wish America could of done their long set. Flew out of Orlando saturday evening, what a nightmare that was. Everyone at the airport were great, never heard anyone complain. Makes me sick just thinking about what happen and can't find no answers. God bless America and to all on this chat folder.

Message: 18807 Posted: Sun Sep 16 20:44:52 2001 By: Dan
Subject: Re: More non-AMERICAn lyrica

"Who'll stop the rain".(John Fogerty).DanC.

Message: 18806 Posted: Sun Sep 16 20:42:54 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: re: Curious About Autographs (rebolt)

"rebolt", cool! You should tell us the story behind the album covers autographed by America as a trio such as what concert(s) you obtained them at and why Gerry's autograph is missing from four of them. I take it that they were autographed at a different concert than the others. I'm all ears.

Message: 18805 Posted: Sun Sep 16 18:22:56 2001 By: rebolt
Subject: re: Curious About Autographs

Ok, ready for this. I have Peace, Bodden Town, All Things are Possible, and Doer of the Word autographed by Dan Peek. I have Van Go Gan signed by Gerry Beckley. I have Harbor, Hideaway, Holiday, and Hat Trick signed by Dewey and Dan. I have Human Nature, View From the Ground, Your Move, and Encore signed by Dewey and Gerry. I have History, Hearts, Homecoming, and America (first album) autographed by all three. Also, the box set is signed by Dan Peek. Hopefully, I'll complete the few missing signatures in the near future.

Message: 18804 Posted: Sun Sep 16 17:13:57 2001 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: Give the Kiss of Life

I encourage all of you to read Micheal Tomlinson's comments regarding this weeks tragedy. You can find them posted at
"Come on and save me, Pull me from deep water
Give the kiss of life"

Message: 18803 Posted: Sun Sep 16 16:04:55 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Re: The tragedy has really hit home....literally!

Howard, sorry to hear of your neighbors. It's hard to imagine that this tragedy could hit so close to home as far away as Farmington, Maine, but I have a co-worker whose cousin worked at the WTC and is still missing. Her relatives in NYC have all split up and gone to all the area hospitals to try and find him, but no luck. Nothing to do but wait and see. She puts on a brave front, but you can see the fear, anxiety and sense of helplessness in her eyes. I can't imagine having to deal with this tragedy on such a personal level.

Message: 18802 Posted: Sun Sep 16 15:56:40 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Re: Curious About Autographs

Johnny, I have a copy of the box set autographed by Dan that I purchased from his web site. With any luck, it will have Dewey & Gerry's on it after October 13th when I see them at Mohegan Sun. I'll keep you posted.


Message: 18801 Posted: Sun Sep 16 12:20:53 2001 By: EEisenhauer
Subject: More non-AMERICAn lyrica

You can't speed the grief
You can't cry any faster
You can't hurry the pain
When it storms, let it rain
So go on ahead, cry your eyes out
Let the dam break 'til it's all out
Sing the blues if you please
Because you can't speed the grief

This the chorus from "Speed The Grief" sung and written by Runaway (John Smith & Dan Sebranek

Message: 18800 Posted: Sun Sep 16 12:04:49 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Curious About Autographs

I'm very curious to know if anyone (besides Kevin Alton) has items autographed by Dewey, Gerry, AND DAN.

If so, what are the items and were they autographed by the trio at the same time or by Dewey and Gerry at a different time then by Dan?

Message: 18799 Posted: Sun Sep 16 09:20:06 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: timely lyrics

Time goes on
People burning candles
Will I ever see you tomorrow

(Dan and Tom Peek's "Tomorrow")

Message: 18798 Posted: Sun Sep 16 08:06:13 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: from a lurker

Welcome, Linda! (C=
Thanks for coming out of "lurkdom", you're welcome here! You'll find that although we all have different ideas and opinions, it's a great group!

TkH<-----+=! No Boundary

Message: 18797 Posted: Sun Sep 16 07:48:16 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: An Idea

Excellent advice, Mr. L!
I just wish it wouldn't take a tragedy to bring these feelings out in people....(me included)....

TkH<--------+=! No Boundary

Message: 18796 Posted: Sun Sep 16 06:15:45 2001 By: msmith
Subject: timely lyrics

first i would like to say how glad i am to hear from the new yorkers who frequent this board. our thoughts and prayers go with you. secondly, i was reading with interest the america and gerry songs with lyrics that fellow fans have pointed out as being particularly appropriate for these difficult times. isn't it something how we all seem to see the world through the eye of america songs and lyrics? the song that immediately came to mind for me was "survival".

i'll survive you, i will survive you
well, it's too late, i know, to change the way we go...

i'm alive here, i can survive dear
though the weather might change
from the wind to the rain
well, my heart remains the same

looked out on a sea of trouble
and i tried to stall for awhile
it's so hard to answer every question
and it's hard to protect your heart anymore...

Message: 18795 Posted: Sun Sep 16 05:37:50 2001 By: LisaRose
Subject: Re: An Idea

What a great idea Steve. I know the feeling of wanting to help. I am an advisor of "the council unity" chapter at my school. It's an organization that promotes peace and unity in the world. Anyway, I was told that every day things change on what is needed down there. So, instead of having our usual drives, we are making blue bows to wear and we are going to sell them for I think $1 each to the students and staff (and hopefully get more from out staff). We hope to raise about $1,000 by Thursday and then we are going to find out what is needed--whether it be sweat pants, flash lights, food, etc. and then bring it to the center nearby the scene. I know that this rescue/clean-up will be going on for a very long time so there will always be some other additional help that will be needed for the workers, victims, etc. I just heard that they hear clapping in the wreck. I am praying that they will get that person/people soon. Howie, I know how you feel and am praying for your neighbor as I am for all the other people. It's wonderful, to see how warm all the America fans have been on here. God Bless America.

Message: 18794 Posted: Sat Sep 15 21:30:00 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Sort of From The Front Line

Here is a portion of a message I received from an acquaintance today who works as an X-ray Tech in NYC:

"Things in NYC are very hard to handle. I work in one of the few Level 1 trauma centers tending to this matter. I'm sure you have seen the hours and hours of news broadcasts of people holding up pictures of their loved ones in front of the hospitals. Between the walls and walls of missing-person ads, the press conferences, the patients, co-workers taking x-rays for the city morgue - it is a lot of weight to bear. The city looks as horrible as it does on the news broadcast - maybe even worse. No one ever imagined such massive destruction. It is so hard to be upbeat when surrounded by such sadness."

(Welcome Linda)

Message: 18793 Posted: Sat Sep 15 19:52:49 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Article From Italy

Bruno Mautone sent me an Italian article from the August 14th edition of his local newspaper. Click here to see the article as it appeared in Italian. Bruno was kind enough to send an English translation which I'll include here.

By Matteo Barone-Agropoli-Italy

America in ... Italy. In last week's, among others, a peculiar message from a Salerno (Italy) fan appeared on The American web site of the mythical pop-rock group called "America". The fan's name is Bruno Mautone, the former mayor of Agropoli, who promised to give the America pop-rock group his own perfectly working vintage car, a 1951 Fiat 500, the famous "Topolino" (little mouse) as a present, on condition that the group held a concert in the Salerno area. A performance by the America group over here has always been the Agropoli mayor's fixed idea. Since he was in power as a mayor, he has tried to contact the group's manager in the USA to organize a musical event with Gerry Beckley and Dewey Bunnell, that is, two of the original members of the America group.

This idea could not materialize, because he was no longer in power. It must be pointed out, however, that the America group had performed at Cava dei Tirreni Lamberti Stadium, near Salerno in September 1982. Their performance was a hit and still lingers in the minds of the 25,000 large audience on account of the repertoire performed. At the time, in Italy, the group topped the list of the most favorite ones, thanks to their lucky album called "Alibi". As everybody knows, the pop-rock group was already famous worldwide after selling about 70 million records, such as "A Horse With No Name" or "Venturay Highway", that has also been sung by Janet Jackson in her latest song "Someone To Call My Lover".

Message: 18792 Posted: Sat Sep 15 19:36:03 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: An Idea

Linda, thanks for coming out of lurkdom and sharing your thoughts. I've had a few thoughts that I'd like to share. Since last Tuesday I've been wondering what I could do to help those affected by this terrible tragedy. Besides donating blood and money (to reputable organizations) I wasn't sure what else I could do to help those on the east coast since I live in Utah. Well, this morning our church had a service project at a nearby junior high school to put in a pavilion and do some fixing up around the grounds. I'm guessing there were several hundred people that showed up and it was very rewarding to be outside helping others. When I finished working and saw what we had accomplished, I thought to myself that performing this act of service had been very therapeutic. I'm not trying to draw attention to myself, but just bringing up one idea. I know that the volunteers in New York and Washington D.C. are feeling good about doing what they can to help others. For those of us who can't be there to help, we can still feel good and forget about some of our problems by reaching out to others and helping them, no matter where we live. I hope you don't mind me sharing these thoughts.

Message: 18791 Posted: Sat Sep 15 19:27:24 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Welcome Linda :0)

By all're more than welcome to join our
America family Linda. Please you're just as important as us all.
Please post whenever you feel like and whatever is on
your mind about America, the tragedy, or whatever.

Shayne and everyone else. Thanks very much for your good
wishes and prayers. A heartfelt thanks to everyone who
has responded or felt the same way I do through this horrific tragedy.

Message: 18790 Posted: Sat Sep 15 19:18:54 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: from a lurker

Welcome out of lurkdom Linda. The people here ARE wonderful. Please continue to join us in posting!

Howie, my thoughts and prayers are with you and all the families who have been devestated by this horrific act.

Message: 18789 Posted: Sat Sep 15 19:10:00 2001 By: Linda
Subject: from a lurker

I occasionally lurk on this board, and am always amazed at how much America trivia you all know. They're one of my favorite groups, and I enjoy seeing them whenever they're in my area.
My main reason for posting is to tell you that I think you're a group of very caring people. Howard, I just read your post from last Tuesday, and it gave me the chills. That had to be terribly scary! I'm very glad you eventually got home and are safe. I probably should've taken notes on all the posts, but my heart and prayers go out to all of you (can't remember all the names) who are in the New York or Washington DC area. It was awful watching it all on TV, and I can only imagine how it must've been to witness it all.
Joanne, I just emailed you. Please let me know if you'd like me to mail your son a letter.
I hope you all don't mind my jumping in right now. Many of your posts really hit me in my heart.
~~ Linda

Message: 18788 Posted: Sat Sep 15 19:04:44 2001 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: The tragedy has really hit home....literally!


I cannot express the agony I felt watching the events unwind. While not a native of NY, I lived there for a number of years and have most of my family and friends there. This past summer, we went there with the idea of laying the groundwork to move back. Unfortunately, my children are very scared of the notion, but it appears we will still move there in the near future. I can't imagine what it will be like to see the city without the towers. I hear the stories both on the news channels and directly from friends and family, but I'm still able to go outside here in Dallas, Texas and pretend that nothings changed. It must be truly horrific to see the cars in your neighbors driveway, or drive on the NJ Turnpike (I guess near Perth Amboy) where the Towers come in to view for the first time and be reminded everyday of this tragedy.

As our holidays approach (Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur), may you find comfort in your prayers and may peace come to all that we hold dear.

Be well, my friend.


Message: 18787 Posted: Sat Sep 15 18:11:05 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: The tragedy has really hit home....literally!

On our culdesar 2 houses away, the past 4 days, alot of cars
have been visiting this one family that we know. They sometimes
have gatherings every so often. But last night, when we came home from my aunt's party at 11P, we noticed candles and flags in the driveway. We found today from our neighbors that the father is missing and haven't heard from him. He didn't work in the WTC, but had 2 client meetings. When the explosion hit, the clients took the elevator and the father Al took the stairs and.... so our whole
block has tied ribbons around the front yard trees and put up flags in our front yards as nice gesture toward the family. My wife is absolutely distraught as well as the other neighbors about this.
Yesterday when Bush landed at Newark I think there were 4 army helicopters and about 10 jet fighter planes circling the area.
My son was in awe and amazed of these fighters. SO was I.
THought I share this story with everyhome. Because this story
really hit home with me and makes me think that life is so precious, that you have to live life to the fullest everyday, every second and every waking moment of everyday.
...God I'm glad to see you.............(this song just popped in my head while posting this message.
God bless everyone. HL

Message: 18786 Posted: Sat Sep 15 17:57:56 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Beware WTC Donation Scams - Unbelievable

I just got an e-mail from my brother warning of WTC donation scams. Apparently there are some unscrupulous organizations out there trying to take advantage of the generosity of people during this time of national tragedy. I thought I would share this info with the chat folder in case any of you are solicited for donations via e-mail. Check out this web page first:

I can't believe how low some people will go to take advantage of a situation like this. There are some really sick people out there.

Thank heavens they are greatly outnumbered by the good, caring and honest people of this country - and the world (like the people here on this folder).

God Bless America! (The country and the band)

Message: 18785 Posted: Sat Sep 15 15:15:29 2001 By: Janice
Subject: Thoughts and prayers

I have spent much of my time staring at the television set, eyes glued to tragedy that has struck this nation. My thoughts and prayers are with all of who who have posted their trials and tribulations..Howard, Maureen, LisaRose, Andy..hope I didn't leave anyone out.
My son doesn't want to fly again "for a million cookies". I hear ya, Ronnie!
God bless America and Americans everywhere.

Message: 18784 Posted: Sat Sep 15 10:21:41 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: "Thirty Years!!!" Continued

2001: 30 YEARS LATER, the surprise attacks and "all the planes have been grounded" just as Dewey penned!

2031: AMERICA releases their first CD of totally new material since their last, titled "Human Nature". The new CD "Harmony" is also the first CD for AMERICA who are no longer a duo. Former AMERICA member, Dan Peek, returns to the lineup after an incredibly long absence.

Gerry Beckley, Dewey Bunnell, and Dan Peek's new hit single, "Back Together Again", is currently #2 on the music charts having moved up three spots from last week! It's predicted to move up to the #1 position soon. AMERICA's new CD, "Harmony", is appropriately titled.

As a history side-note, in December of this year, it will mark exactly 30 YEARS since America (the country) added its 51st state to the Union...Worldtradeland...formerly known as the country, Afghanistan.

jy----->Just having some fun and not meant to offend anyone.

Message: 18783 Posted: Sat Sep 15 10:20:50 2001 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: more..

"Harry got up
Dressed all in Black
Went down to the station
And he never came back
They found his clothing
Scattered somewhere down the track
And he wont be down on Wall Street in the morning
Lyin here in the darkness
I hear the sirens wail
Somebody going to emergency
Somebody's goin to jail
If you find somebody to love in this world
You better hang on tooth and nail
The wolf is always at your door
In a New York minute
Everything can change
In a New York minute
Things can get a little strange
In a New York minute
Everything can change
In a New York minute"

(1988 Henley, Kortchmar, Winding)

Message: 18782 Posted: Sat Sep 15 10:07:39 2001 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: more non-America Lyrics

"Lying here in the darkness
I hear the sirens wail
Somebody going to emergency
somebody's going to jail
If you find somebody to love in this world
you better hang on tooth and nail
The wolf is always at your door
In a New York minute
Everything can change
In a New York minute
Things can get a little strange
In a New York minute
Everything can change
In a New York minute"

(1988, Henley, Krotchmar, Winding)

Message: 18781 Posted: Sat Sep 15 09:46:09 2001 By: ANDY
Subject: Creepy non-America lyrics

For obvious reasons, this song has been going through my head lately:


(Crosby Stills Nash and Young)

Message: 18780 Posted: Fri Sep 14 17:55:12 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Thirty Years!!!

1941: Surprise attack on Pearl Harbor

1971: 30 YEARS LATER, Dewey writes "Sandman"

2001: 30 YEARS LATER, the surprise attacks and "all the planes have been grounded" just as Dewey penned!

All the above was pointed out to me by one of our fellow fans.

Excellent "Appropriate Lyrics" that you all have posted! And Mark, nice article that you submitted regarding Nostrodamus and his alleged prophesies.

(Hang in there, Joanne)

Message: 18779 Posted: Fri Sep 14 15:59:25 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: More Appropriate Lyrics

This one seems to be playing thru my head a lot too...
"The day we lost our voice with little choice,
I can't explain
An act of agony"

Message: 18778 Posted: Fri Sep 14 15:10:15 2001 By: Pat B.
Subject: More Appropriate Lyrics


There was a time I knew
All there was to know
No one could tell me then
I was wrong

I wasn't strong enough
To see where my weakness lay
The world that you hold so tight
Could slip away

And from moment to moment
Your life can change
There's a storm over the horizon
A sea no one can see

Somewhere around the bend
Right when you least expect
Someone can walk away
With no regret

Leaving an empty space
Breaking a sacred trust
All of your shiny dreams
Begin to rust

Yes from moment to moment
Your life can change
There's a storm over the horizon
A sea you can not see
Yes from moment to moment

Promise me you'll never change
Promise me you'll stay the same
Promise me you'll never change

Yes from moment to moment
Your life can change
There's a storm over the horizon
A sea you'll never see
Yet from moment to moment
Your life can change
There's a light
When the sun is rising
A day after today

Every moment is a shining light
Every moment is the darkest night
Every moment gotta get it right
Every single moment

Message: 18777 Posted: Fri Sep 14 14:55:34 2001 By: Mark
Subject: Re: Predictions of Nostrodamus

This is a hoax. Somebody edited and stuck together some unrelated verses and made up some.

Here's what an urban's legend page has to say about it:

The French physician and astrologer Nostradamus (1503-1566) penned numerous quatrains populated by obscure imagery that the credulous have ever after attempted to fit to the events of their times. These predictions can often ring somewhat true in that the images employed are so general they can be found in almost every event of import, but by the same token, the prophecies are never a dead-on fit because the wordings are far too general. Not that this stops anyone from believing in them; our society's need for mysticism runs far too deep to ever allow for that.
Those looking for the certainty of a Nostradamus prophecy come true have been known to sledge hammer the results to force a fit by inventing fanciful translations from the original French, bend over backwards to assert one named term is really another, and (as in this case) outright fabricate part or all of the prediction.
Nostradamus did not write the quatrain now being attributed to him.
This "prophecy" is bogus. The second quatrain is entirely made-up, and the first quatrain is composed of lines taken from two completely different prophecies of Nostradamus' linked together for effect (Lines referencing "Normans" and "Mongols" which have no plausible application to current events have been excised by whoever concatenated these two pieces.) The first two lines are from a verse which describes events that would supposedly have taken place in July of 1999 (not September of 2001) and has long since been associated with a wide variety of occurrences -- both real and fictional.
Even if this is a real prophecy of Nostradamus', it simply provides more evidence of how much shoehorning has to be performed to get one of these vague "predictions" to fit modern occurrences. It cites no date whatsoever. The line about a sky that "will burn at forty-five steps" (or "degrees") is interpreted to refer to New York City, the "forty-five steps" being the Big Apple's latitude -- never mind that New York City is actually below the 41° latitude mark, and that several major North American cities (e.g., Boston, Milwaukee, Chicago, Minneapolis, Toronto, Montreal) are much closer to 45° latitude than Gotham. As well, New York (one of North America's oldest cities) is only "new" in the sense that its name contains the word "new" (a criterion which describes many other of the world's large cities, such as New Delhi), the flames resulting from the terrorist attack in New York were anything but "thin" (or "scattered"); and nobody has a clue what "Normans" (what we would call "Vikings" or "French") have to do with hijacked airliners crashing into American cities.
Just once, we'd like someone to tell us what one of Nostradamus' "prophecies" means in advance of the event it supposedly describes. If Nostradamus was such a great seer, then why is it that not one person in the world was able to decipher his warning in time to prevent the horrors of 11 September 2001?

Message: 18776 Posted: Fri Sep 14 14:43:18 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: More Appropriate Lyrics

Great lyrics, Ingrid. Here are some more from Gerry Beckley that I think are appropriate:

There's a clock timing the world as it turns
There's a man marking the candle as it burns
Keeping track of every minute that remains

Still we hope somehow
It's gonna be alright
It's gonna turn out fine

There's a light shining beyond the southern cross
Burning bright for everyone of us who's lost
More than faith more than a reason to go on

Rise on up knowing
You're gonna win the fight
It's gonna turn out fine

You gotta hope it'll be alright
Come on and hope it'll turn out fine
Yeah, hope it'll be alright, please

When the night turns to the deepest shade of black
At that point there is no reason to turn back
High above angels are falling from the sky

Lift your heart knowing
It's gonna be alright
It's gonna turn out fine

You gotta hope it'll be alright
Come on and hope it'll turn out fine
Yeah, hope it'll be alright, please

You gotta hope, ya gonna win the fight
Come on 'n hope with all your might
Yeah hope it's gonna be alright, please

Millions of people alone in the dark
Awaiting a moment of hope


You gotta hope (Whenever times get tough) it'll be alright
Come on and hope (And when the road is rough) it'll turn out fine
Yeah, hope (Just when you've had enough) it'll be alright, please

You gotta hope (Whenever times get tough) you're gonna win the fight
Come on and hope (And when the road is rough) with all your might
Yeah, hope (Just when you've had enough) it's gonna be alright, please
You gotta hope (Whenever times get tough) it'll be alright
Come on and hope (And when the road is rough) it'll turn out fine
Yeah, hope (Just when you've had enough) it'll be alright, please

You gotta hope, you're gonna win the fight

Message: 18775 Posted: Fri Sep 14 13:52:08 2001 By: Ingrid
Subject: Appropriate Lyrics

I think that the following words from Amber Cascades are fitting on this National Day of Prayer and Remembrance:

We call to the Man
Who walks on the water
We talk of a plan
To stop all the slaughter in view

Message: 18774 Posted: Fri Sep 14 12:01:40 2001 By: Nina
Subject: Predictions/OOps!/Joanne

I guess I'm too gullible for my own good! Sorry everybody! thoughts and prayers are with you and your son.

Message: 18773 Posted: Fri Sep 14 11:47:19 2001 By: EEisenhauer
Subject: Re: Predictions of Nostrodamus

>>>NYC is located at 45 degees N Latitude?
>>>Two brothers? Twin Towers?
>>>Fortress? Pentagon?
>>>Interpret as you will. Pretty spooky.

The following link is the complete story about these e-mail which some people may be receiving. According to this link, they should be looked upon as a hoax.
The following are some quotes from this article "The text corresponds roughly to a verse in Nostradamus's Century (section) Six, Quatrain 97.
"But New York lies just below 41 degrees latitude and Nostradamus's verse does not mention a great war, contrary to what several e-mails say. "
"(This second quatrain) is NOT by Nostradamus," read a statement on, a Web site for Nostradamus study.

Message: 18772 Posted: Fri Sep 14 11:43:09 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Predictions of Nostrodamus

Nina, the e-mail message you received has changed a few of Nostrodamus's actual words, but it still could be rather prophetc. For example, the first line of that quatrain actually reads:

"In the year 1999 and seven months" (not "In the year of the new century and nine months").

The quatrains following the one above do mention the sky burning at 45 degrees and fire approaching the great new city which certainly could be New York City.

There is an excellent article at which talks about Nostrodamus's prophecy of the 3 anti-Christs. The first is believed to be Napolean and the second Hitler. Is Osama bin Laden the third?

Message: 18771 Posted: Fri Sep 14 11:12:24 2001 By: Nina
Subject: Predictions of Nostrodamus

Chills ran up my spine when I read this email message this morning:

"In the year of the new century and nine months,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees,
Fire approaches the great new city...

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two brothers torn apart by chaos while the fortress endures,
the great leader will succumb, and the third big war will begin
when the city is burning."

NYC is located at 45 degees N Latitude?

Two brothers? Twin Towers?

Fortress? Pentagon?

Interpret as you will. Pretty spooky.

Message: 18770 Posted: Fri Sep 14 11:04:32 2001 By: JoanneM
Subject: Nina and to all in South Carolina

Nina Please send my prayers to your friends Son in the Marines
My Son Nick is in Boot Camp in Parris Island SC
I haven't seen or spoke to have since July 17 only letters.
To all that live near Beaufort SC please send my son word that you read his name here and that his family is fine and can't wait to see him Oct 12.I sent a faxed letter to St.Peters Catholic Church in beaufort and a wonderful lady that works at the church is sending him my faxed letter,but I feel if he could get any other mail from our family it would help...My family is so proud of him, he's trying very hard to become a Marine.The only thing is I kept telling him he made the write choice to Join we are not at war,My husband and I are so worried for him.Please Pray for him and for all in the Military
Please email me if any America fan lives in South Carolina, I live in NY no state to state mail.If you look at the fan site(Joanne Meyers NY) with names and pictures you will see him.The young man with glasses, that picture was 5 years ago. Thanks to all please pray for All Americans and all of the lives we have lost.
Please Pray for all in Boot Camp and preparing to leave there home to serve their much loved Country.
Joanne Meyers

Message: 18769 Posted: Fri Sep 14 10:42:46 2001 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: At This Time

Maybe I'm being surreal or just melodramatic, but these lyrics hit home this week:

There will be no more confusion
There will be no more ball and chain
I will cease with the illusions
And I will ask of you the same

When you love someone
It's gonna take some time

Come on and save me, save me
Pull me from deep water
Give the kiss of life
Now is the moment treasured
Breathe the kiss of life
Into the words we speak, into the words we speak

And coming across the meadow
Like a slow moving train
Long determination
Will forever remain

When you love someone
It's gonna take some time

Come on and save me, save me
Pull me from deep water
Give the kiss of life
Now is the moment treasured
Breathe the kiss of life
Into the words we speak, into the words we speak

Give the kiss, give the kiss of life
Give the kiss, give the kiss of life
Save me ...

Message: 18768 Posted: Fri Sep 14 10:21:38 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: At This Time

All over the world
Flags are being unfurled
Waving before the dawning
I'm watching the show
The last one to know
Which way that things are going

(Thanks Dan, for the lyrics that are so fitting at this time.)

Message: 18767 Posted: Thu Sep 13 22:30:11 2001 By: jimbob
Subject: Thoughts from NZ

I am back on line and wanted to let you all know that we here in New Zealand are shocked and saddened by what has happened. I have thought of little else since first seeing those terrible images on television.

Message: 18766 Posted: Thu Sep 13 20:13:30 2001 By: LisaRose
Subject: Re: HEROS

Thanks Ingrid for what you said. You said it perfectly. I couldn't imagine if anything happened to our President despite the fact that I did't vote for him. I am also thankful for our Mayor (even thought I hate the way he has been towards the teachers)that he is ok. He almos got killed in the WTC too!! Is this going to be over? Is this over? I have tickets for a broadway show tomorrow--AIDA, but my frined and I don't feel like going and are still scared!! I don't think any of us in the USA will feel safe again. Got to go cry again!

Message: 18765 Posted: Thu Sep 13 19:47:08 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Thoughts from UK

I'm certainly not meaning to act like a spokesperson for anyone on this folder or for anyone in the US for that matter, but I just want to say to DavidM and all others fellow fans from other lands that we (Americans) really do appreciate your kind words regarding the tragic events that have occurred in the US. As you all know, the attacks that have taken place are attacks against all people of the free world. It's great to know that the US has nice friends like David and others living in lands very far from many of us here...far in distance only but certainly not in thought.

As I'm sitting here typing, I can hear the familiar roar of Stealth fighter jets flying high above the house. On a clear day in the daytime with a pair of binoculars, they're able to be spotted. I haven't heard them flying above in quite a long time. Without a doubt, it's a major sign of things to come!!!

(Regarding an AMERICA topic, I had the TV on as background noise when I heard the opening riff of "VH". It was JJ's video on MTV. It's the first time for me to see the video. I thought at first it was a TV commercial for a 70s CD.)

Message: 18764 Posted: Thu Sep 13 16:39:01 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Arrogant Stupidity

Andy, from my discussion with my sister, I gathered that the two guys were merely employees because I said to Rose that she should have reported them to their supervisor. She agreed that she should have. Believe me, if it had happened to me, I most definitely would have reported them!!!

Message: 18763 Posted: Thu Sep 13 16:35:09 2001 By: DavidM
Subject: Thoughts from UK

Very rarely are we moved by international events, Tuesday has shocked us all. Our thoughts and prayers are with those in the US and NYC. Tomorrow is a day of mourning in the UK, and in the case of my children's schools, they will offer mass and assemblies to the victims (as they have since Tuesday). God Bless America, and rest assured, the UK offer total support.

Message: 18762 Posted: Thu Sep 13 14:10:20 2001 By: ANDY
Subject: Re: Arrogant Stupidity

While there, they were being helped by two men who appeared to be the same nationality as one another.

The store radio announced that a second plane had crashed into the other WTC tower. Rose and Doug both noticed the two men looked at each other and smiled. Doug said something to the effect of, "The two of you seem to be quite happy to hear that bad news." The two guys said they weren't. According to Rose, their words weren't convincing. Rose and Doug immediately left the store in disgust.

Were these two so called me the owners, or employees? If they are owners, perhaps it's time for you to post their names, the name of the store, the location of the store, and the store's phone number.


Message: 18761 Posted: Thu Sep 13 11:11:35 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Mere words cannot describe what I See...

It's very good to hear from all of you fellow fans living and/or working in NYC and that all is well considering the circumstances.

It's been quite a few years (about twenty) since I stood next to the World Trade Center Towers. I can still remember standing there and trying to see the top floors of the towers and having to wrench my neck backwards and still not being able to do so. It's so incredible to see both towers are now gone. Seeing the second airplane smash into one of the towers seems all so unbelievable! It's like a Hollywood movie seeing it happen on television. I can't imagine being there in person and seeing the aftermath and no longer seeing those two incredible buildings that are now reduced to nothing but rumble. How very, very sad for all the families that have lost loved ones there.

Message: 18760 Posted: Thu Sep 13 10:13:21 2001 By: Ingrid
Subject: Re: HEROS

Those men who decided to take back the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania really were heros. They probably saved thousands of other lives with their courage, maybe even that of our President if the White House was their target. Let's remember to pray for President Bush and the other decisionmakers. What an awful, terrible burden they have to determine a response.

It was good to hear from the New Yorkers. I heard on the news a few minutes ago that two fire fighters were just found alive amidst the rubble. I appreciate EEisenhauer's comments; they were very well put. I also appreciate the comedic diversions -- we need that too. Hi LisaRose! I've missed you and I'm so glad that you're safe.


Message: 18759 Posted: Thu Sep 13 09:06:16 2001 By: Maureen
Subject: Thank You !! - I'm OK......

Hi All:
I just wanted to check in to ‘thank’ all of you for your concern. I am OK. I think I am still in shock! I work just 2 buildings from the WTC and I was at my desk for both explosions. It was pure hell! The vibration alone was very, very frightening. I was not sure what was going on. I am on the 9th floor and after the first explosion, we looked out the window and saw the first tower in flames and then we turned the TV on that we have in one of our conference rooms and just couldn't believe what we heard. We were all gathering around in the middle of the floor when the second explosion went off. Then we all grabbed our belongings and then we were told to evacuate the building. So we walked down 9 floors and when we got to the street, the police told us to just head north and then all of a sudden the police told us to run and the police were running with us. That was a very scary moment, especially when the police are running w/ you. I was with 2 of my coworkers and we didn’t look back till about 10 blocks later. Its just horrible at what we were looking at.
My heart and prayers go out to everyone in those buildings and to the families in Washington. I just can’t believe it! I have not gone back to work as of yet and I am not really sure when or where!
Again, THANK YOU to you all.

PS – Gerry, Happy Belated Birthday and many, many more from your #1 fan/friend in Long Island, NY and to everyone in the band, PLEASE get home safe!!
Love Maureen

Message: 18758 Posted: Thu Sep 13 07:51:00 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Safe In Guatemala

Amidst the sorrow, grief, and anger that we're all experiencing, America is safe in Guatemala and put on a great concert last night. I received the following message from José Fernando García-Bravatti (sent to me but addressed to the band):

"I was at the concert you gave last night in Guatemala City, it was
GREAT! My wife and I had a great time with the old and new songs."

I also received some photos from Julio Soto which I'll try to get posted this weekend.

The Boy Scouts in our area have a yearly fund raiser where they put American Flags in our yards on the major national holidays. It's a good way for them to raise money and allows us to be patriotic. Yesterday our entire neighborhood was decked out with American flags, courtesy of the Scouts, and it looked awesome. I know that similar things happened across the nation. Having lived in a foreign country for two years, I've always appreciated the American flag and what it stands for. Somehow, at this time it seems to give strength and courage to all of us as we deal with the aftermath of the recent events. God bless America!


Message: 18757 Posted: Thu Sep 13 07:39:32 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Air Travel

And I thought I WAS paranoid about flying? Now the husband had to go to Atlanta (they're finally resuming play on Friday). Security was VERY tight (thank GOODNESS) even to get to a charter! Don't think I'm going to fly again for a while......guess the terrorists succeeded with me! (Heavy S-I-G-H)

My thoughts are with everyone...

TkH<-------+=! No Boundary

Message: 18756 Posted: Thu Sep 13 07:18:10 2001 By: Nina
Subject: Sooner than we might think...

My teacher aide got an unexpected call from her Marine son this morning. He's stationed in Japan annd was calling to say good-bye. His unit is being sent to Saudi Arabia. He couldn't share exactly WHEN they leave, but hinted that he may not be able to call again before they are called to go.

Message: 18755 Posted: Thu Sep 13 06:06:39 2001 By: Pat B.
Subject: HEROS

Yesterday, the secretary of defense told the troops: " the coming weeks and months, more will be asked of you then ever before.."

Yes Johnny; it appears we had some real brave Americans on that flight that went down in PA. A husband called his wife 4 times by cell phone. The first two times he told her that the plane was being hijacked. The third call was when the wife told her husband about the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. Then the husband told the wife during the forth call: "...a few of us have decided to take back the plane..."


Message: 18754 Posted: Thu Sep 13 05:03:19 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Mere words cannot describe what I See...

The commute in this morning was somewhat disturbing.
As we go over a certain hill on the Turnpike, I always see the
twin towers and amazed how tall and proud they stand.
As we went over that hill and before we went in the tunnel (which is a very close look at the area,) a sombering haze which stretches as far as the eye can see still lingers over the area where the twin towers stood. I could not help but keep staring and wonder why so many lives had to be wasted in such a shamless and senseless act of cowardice. All over New York city people are displaying the American flag with respect and dignity, with posters saying "Keep up the American Spirit," Be Proud to be American," "We will get justice," etc. ................................

Message: 18753 Posted: Thu Sep 13 00:48:27 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Arrogant Stupidity

Talking about "arrogant stupidity"....

Please believe me when I say I know what it's like to be stereotyped. It's not unusual for me to be asked, "How long have you lived in the United States?" I kindly answer with something like "I was born here" if I know the question is sincere. Having said that, below is what one of my sisters, Rose, told me happened to her on Tuesday.

Rose and her boyfriend, Doug, had the day off. The two of them went to a home improvement/supply store. While there, they were being helped by two men who appeared to be the same nationality as one another.

The store radio announced that a second plane had crashed into the other WTC tower. Rose and Doug both noticed the two men looked at each other and smiled. Doug said something to the effect of, "The two of you seem to be quite happy to hear that bad news." The two guys said they weren't. According to Rose, their words weren't convincing. Rose and Doug immediately left the store in disgust.

I say thank God not every person born abroad living in America is like either of these two so-called "men". To me, that's when you say, "America: Love It or Leave It!"

Message: 18752 Posted: Wed Sep 12 23:27:35 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: I Fotgot....

Glad that senseless cowardice is often coupled with arrogant stupidity.

A political cartoon today featured the Statue of Liberty in the foreground. She was leaning forward, in despair, her face cradled in her hands. :'(


Message: 18751 Posted: Wed Sep 12 23:20:26 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: Coral Springs


Was thinking of you today when I heard Coral Springs mentioned. Too bad you weren't in the "know," huh? You could have demonstrated a few of those new kick boxing moves on behalf of your country!

Seriously glad to hear most all are safe and accounted for...grief-stricken over the loss of life and freedom. Afghanistan issued a warning of suicide bombers should we attack. Must admit, we're a bit jumpy here too in the Bay Area...San Francisco and Silicon Valley.

God Bless America...


Message: 18750 Posted: Wed Sep 12 20:03:50 2001 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Thank you to all

As an American, I, too was appalled at the sight of celebrations in the West Bank, but unfortunately, not surprised. The same thing happened when Iraq sent SCUD missles into Israel. As an American, I too want justice served, quickly and accurately. Unfortunately, as a Jew, I have become somewhat numb to the acts of terrorists. War is hell. No matter who is attacked, someone suffers. Perhaps, the U.S. has awoken to the fact that there are real enemies who will stop at nothing to cause real damage and kill real lives. It appears that Israel has found this out the hard way (please, this is not a lecture on who is right and who is wrong in the Middle East) and it appears now that these people (and I use the term with much trepidation) have woken up the sleeping giant.

Make no mistake about it. Israel's enemies are the U.S.'s enemies. It was proven in living color.


Message: 18749 Posted: Wed Sep 12 17:32:15 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: I Fotgot....

I forgot to mention something. Those male American passengers on the flight that crashed in PA are heroes for stopping that plane from reaching its intended target. It's reported on the news that it was highly likely the plane was intended to strike the White House AS WELL AS the one that "settled" for the Pentagon as its target. It's believed that the hijacker pilot couldn't locate the White House. Incredible!

Message: 18748 Posted: Wed Sep 12 17:20:36 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Andy's No Longer Caring


Andy, I think you're going to get your wish when the US strikes back. Innocent lives will be taken. That's just the fact of "war".

Message: 18747 Posted: Wed Sep 12 16:49:16 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Coral Springs

So we "got" the terrorist/pilot? Turns out he lived half a block away in the apartment complex on Atlantic, and could probably have watched me rollerblade everyday in the park....ugh.

I've been sending thoughts and energy to everyone in this time of turmoil. We need strength and hope, lets hope that doesn't turn into phobia and mistrust!

Happy Birthday, Mr. Be.

TkH<------+=! NO BOUNDARY

Message: 18746 Posted: Wed Sep 12 14:56:35 2001 By: EEisenhauer
Subject: Re: Thank you to all

<<I no longer care about distinguishing the innocent from the guilty, >>
Andy, I understand your anger and frustration about yesterday's horrific events and while your anger and intentions may be specifically directed against <<picture of a crowd of Palestinians (Arabs)actually celebrating this catastrophy >> please understand and realize that there are thousands of people in this country who are just as horror-stuck and appalled by yesterdays tragedy but who simply by nationality or religion find themselves grouped together with the "monsters" who set these events in motion.
There are many resident aliens or naturalized citizens in this country who are innocent of these terrorist actions but now have to fear retalitory actions from angry and revengeful people. My brother-in-law is in this category of those who has to be on guard from those misguided individuals who will direct blame where there is none.
While I certainly feel that the USA needs to take action against the groups or nations that have caused this attack, realize that the "foreigners" may actually be as American as you and I. Americans have reacted to yesterday's terrorist attacks similarly to Pearl Harbor, but I would hope that one of those things that have learned from history and will not repeat is the horrendous ways we treated the Japanese Americans who were living in the US at that time.

Message: 18745 Posted: Wed Sep 12 14:56:25 2001 By: EEisenhauer
Subject: Re: Thank you to all

<<I no longer care about distinguishing the innocent from the guilty, >>
Andy, I understand your anger and frustration about yesterday's horrific events and while your anger and intentions may be specifically directed against <<picture of a crowd of Palestinians (Arabs)actually celebrating this catastrophy >> please understand and realize that there are thousands of people in this country who are just as horror-stuck and appalled by yesterdays tragedy but who simply by nationality or religion find themselves grouped together with the "monsters" who set these events in motion.
There are many resident aliens or naturalized citizens in this country who are innocent of these terrorist actions but now have to fear retalitory actions from angry and revengeful people. My brother-in-law is in this category of those who has to be on guard from those misguided individuals who will direct blame where there is none.
While I certainly feel that the USA needs to take action against the groups or nations that have caused this attack, realize that the "foreigners" may actually be as American as you and I. Americans have reacted to yesterday's terrorist attacks similarly to Pearl Harbor, but I would hope that one of those things that have learned from history and will not repeat is the horrendous ways we treated the Japanese Americans who were living in the US at that time.

Message: 18744 Posted: Wed Sep 12 14:25:53 2001 By: ANDY
Subject: Thank you to all

I am moved and touched by the concern that some members have shown here. Thank you all so very much!

I live near and work at Kennedy Airport, so I watched in disgust and horror as the twin towers burned and collapsed. I actually have an unrestricted, bird's eye view of where the twin towers once stood. Where I work, we had an affiliate branch at 6 world Trade Center, so many of us know people that were directly affected, many loved ones.

At some point, I hope we all regain some sort of routine. Still, of the many images that I've seen, the one that will haunt me forever is in today's New York Times on page A22. We see a picture of a crowd of Palestinians (Arabs)actually celebrating this catastrophy. I no longer care about distinguishing the innocent from the guilty, I just hope that our military response will result in a slow, agaonizing violent death to those so called "people". There are several people on my floor with loved ones that are missing, and needless to say, we are all sick with grief and rage.

Thank you again to all of you for your concern!! You guys are the best, and an amazing "family". I'm deeply honoured to be part of that.


Message: 18743 Posted: Wed Sep 12 13:36:41 2001 By: Pat B.
Subject: Good Luck

A business associate of mine has a customer who has a son who missed his flight yesterday. It was the flight that left Logan Airport in Boston! Incredible. He must feel very, very lucky and thankful.
I just wanted to share this happy story with you amid all the recent bad news. -Pat

Message: 18742 Posted: Wed Sep 12 13:06:41 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Refrain

Thanks lisarose. All of our New York Friends and family here are in our thoughts and prayers.

Message: 18741 Posted: Wed Sep 12 11:50:22 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Houses In White

Just heard that the plane that crashed into the Pentagon was actually aiming for the White House.

Yesterday's events: Ain't it foggy outside/All the planes have been grounded/Ain't the fire inside (Pointed out to me by a fellow fan)

Message: 18740 Posted: Wed Sep 12 09:13:53 2001 By: melzer
Subject: Happy Birthday


Message: 18739 Posted: Wed Sep 12 08:36:28 2001 By: Melissa
Subject: Special Birthday for Gerry :)

Gerry, I wish you the best on your birthday!! Lots of love. ~Melissa~

Message: 18738 Posted: Wed Sep 12 07:26:07 2001 By: EEisenhauer
Subject: Yesterdays Events

I am still horror struck by all that has occurred, and can't seem to find the words to express what I what I feel. I found out that one of my friends from back easy is still waiting to hear news of her husband who worked in the WTC. My thoughts are with her today and her two children.

I was glad "THE GUYS" left the USA before all this happened , and that they are all OK. Happy Birthday, Gerry - it is a shame though that such a pall should hang over what should be a happy day.

I will be there tonight to join all the AMERICA fans in the chat tonight to send my support and good wishes to all the families waiting to hear news today of their loved ones. I don't think their is a single person in this country who was not effected in some one by yesterday's events.

Elizabeth Eisenhauer

Message: 18737 Posted: Wed Sep 12 07:13:30 2001 By: Jessica
Subject: May you shine today, Gerry!

My prayers for all affected by yesterday's tragedy. More than any other day,I believe today makes us all appreciate what we have - even the seemingly smallest, simplest things in life. So while this huge, terrible incident is foremost in everybody's thoughts, here's a little greeting for someone I'm grateful for.

Happy birthday, Gerry! For giving/sharing your music, thank you. To borrow from my favorite song of yours: Like the sun, I hope you shine today! Keep on shining!

Message: 18736 Posted: Wed Sep 12 06:50:33 2001 By: Erin
Subject: Re: A Nice Diversion...

Happy Birthday Gerry...

Message: 18735 Posted: Wed Sep 12 06:05:23 2001 By: LisaRose
Subject: Re: Refrain

There are a lot of problems getting on line as one of the Verizon buildings was located by the World Trade Center. Just to put your minds at ease, Andy does not live or I think work near the area. I just also wish he would check in too as I cannot seem to find his phone number. Howie said it perfectly. Your prayers and support are wonderful. I don't know how it can ever be the same here.

Message: 18734 Posted: Wed Sep 12 05:49:12 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Refrain

that keeps going thru my head " There are times that test your faith" A tragedy of such magnitude makes us realize how small the world really is.

I was glad to hear from all of you in NYC. Waiting to hear from my family in the City as well, but I am sure they are ok ANDY PLEASE CHECK IN!

Glad to hear the guys are safe as well.

Happy Birthday Gerry.

Please join me, everyone in a chat this evening. "Same bat time, same bat channel"<<<<--- a little "Robin" humor

Message: 18733 Posted: Wed Sep 12 05:47:17 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Maureen is okay!

Of all the people from this message board that works in NYC,
Maureen works the closest to Twin Towers and I just heard
from a friend that she is okay, alittle bit shaken up, but
is okay. Thank god Maureen you're okay. :0)

Message: 18732 Posted: Wed Sep 12 05:28:01 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: A Big Thank you and The morning after......

My dear America fans, your outpouring emails of sympathy, love and prayers are simply overwhelming. I can't thank you enough. You are the best! I stayed in the city last night at my sisters who lives uptown. As I walked through the quiet somber city streets, I looked down the avenues and saw this mushroom cloud effect just slowly getting bigger and the amazement and horror of how something like this could happen. And this morning, NYC is a ghost town. Simply quiet, like nothing happened. But as you pass people, they have that depressing look that things will never be the same again in NYC. My sister works about 20 blocks from the Twin Towers and saw the 2nd plane hit and couldn't believe her eyes. With more and more footage coming about of all angles of the 2nd plane hitting, you just have to cry and let the tears fall. Friends of ours, Ling who works in the 2nd tower was badly burned but is okay, thank god. Also, as my sister set her alarm clock for 6AM, Lite-FM played John Lennon's "Imagine"
and got a big emotional lump in my throat, as the DJ said if John
were alive, he'd probably play this song.......Imagine no...
Let's pray for the people who lost loved ones in this forsaken tragedy. I'm going home and can't wait to hug my kids :0)
God bless you America fans!

Message: 18731 Posted: Wed Sep 12 05:09:26 2001 By: Greg Gorter
Subject: New York & Washington Disaster

To let you all know....
All Australians have been stunned at the tragic events of New York & Washington over the past 24hrs. All media outlets in our country have been reporting the tragedy non stop since it happened.

Everyone here is numb with disbelief, we are so sorrow for your loss.

We all cannot beleive what has happened. Everyone is stunned.
our hearts and sorrow go out to all "Americans" and familys

may our prayers & love go out to you all.

Message: 18730 Posted: Wed Sep 12 04:49:41 2001 By: Nina
Subject: LisaRose

Glad you are safe...have you heard from Andy...he's a New Yorker, too?

Gerry...if you are out there...Happy Birthday from me, too!

Message: 18729 Posted: Wed Sep 12 02:39:17 2001 By: LisaRose
Subject: Re: Can't sleep....Can't forget....

Angie--I can't sleep either--just watching the news and crying. I am glad your sister is okay

Message: 18728 Posted: Wed Sep 12 00:24:14 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: A Nice Diversion...

Happy Birthday, Gerry!!! And on another light of the "bought/born" discussion on Three Roses, I found the following on (misheard lyrics):

Song: Horse with no Name
Artist: America

The real lyrics were:
I've been thru the desert on a horse with no name.

But I misheard them as:
I've been thru the desert on a horse with no legs.

Age when I realized how wrong I had been: 23

Misheard by: Paul

I think my version is better than the original: Yes

I've convinced others that my version is the real one: Yes

I take interesting medication: Yes

Song: Ventura Highway
Artist: America

The real lyrics were:
Chewing on a piece of grass, walking down the road....

But I misheard them as:
Chewing on a pizza crust, walking down the road....

The embarrassing moment of revelation:
My wife mistook the lyrics, I caught her singing along on the car radio.

Age when I realized how wrong I had been: 30

Misheard by: Jim (Cozmo)

I think my version is better than the original: Yes

I've convinced others that my version is the real one: No

I take interesting medication: No

Message: 18727 Posted: Tue Sep 11 23:25:41 2001 By: mBluLight
Subject: Re: Can't sleep....Can't forget....

please go out and donate blood. it is true that st. vincent (the nearest hospital) has adequate supplies, but that unfortunately does not apply to everywhere else. (800)give-life i believe is the number to find your nearest clinic.

and apparently it would really help if we laid off the cellphones right now... especially in the east coast area.

my sympathy and empathy to all those who've lost,


Message: 18726 Posted: Tue Sep 11 23:00:47 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: Can't sleep....Can't forget....

I think we will all remember where we were when this happened to our country and to our global family.

PS-Happy b-day Gerry.

Message: 18725 Posted: Tue Sep 11 22:35:04 2001 By: Yng Moon
Subject: September 12

Happy Birthday Mr. Beckley !!!!

Message: 18724 Posted: Tue Sep 11 22:18:28 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Can't sleep....Can't forget....

We can add Tuesday's events to the list of other times that most of us will be able to remember where we were when we first heard the tragic news: the assassination of JFK; the Challenger explosion; and perhaps the shooting of Former President Reagan and John Lennon.

Message: 18723 Posted: Tue Sep 11 22:03:00 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: Are The Guys....

Thank goodness...and thank you so much for letting everyone know.

Mags :O)

Message: 18722 Posted: Tue Sep 11 22:01:15 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: Are The Guys.... glad to hear it!

Message: 18721 Posted: Tue Sep 11 21:59:07 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: Disaster...Can anyone help out a fellow America fan?

Howard and others affected by today's senseless cowardice: my thoughts and prayers are with you. I went to church today, where droves of others wandered in, just needing to be around people, just needing comfort. And I gave some blood. Not much in the long run, but at least it made me feel a litle less helpless.

Take care everyone...let the grieving and healing come...


Message: 18720 Posted: Tue Sep 11 21:58:13 2001 By: Margaret
Subject: New York,Washington

I'm horrified at the enormity of what has happened.It has been difficult to think of anything else today.My thoughts are with all Americans as you try to comprehend these events and their implications. It was with much relief that I read the messages from those who live or work in New York.

Message: 18719 Posted: Tue Sep 11 21:11:48 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: Can't sleep....Can't forget....

Very close to the GWB. I forgot to say that I'm glad "the boys" are safe.

Message: 18718 Posted: Tue Sep 11 21:07:53 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Can't sleep....Can't forget....

Angie, where do you live?

Message: 18717 Posted: Tue Sep 11 20:43:27 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Can't sleep....Can't forget....

I sit here still shaking and watching the news of the devastation today. The helicopters are still flying past my house.... I am lucky and relieved that my sister finally got home at 10:00pm. Shaken and crying seeing this act of terror...wondering about friends if they are okay, also those who are firefighters who were called to duty today. My workplace is attached to a hospital and we are taking in people who were injured. Howie I hope you are safe.... I don't know why this had to happen, how someone can just take innocent lives. My prayers and thoughts are with everyone....

Message: 18716 Posted: Tue Sep 11 20:06:50 2001 By: Melissa
Subject: Sorrowful Day

I have never understood how people can treat other lives as though they were dispensable? It makes me sad to think that through the ages with all of the wars and inhumanities that the world has suffered how many people have gained no want to perserve life as fragile as it is. It is sad that in 17 short years I have developed more respect for life than the monsters who were responsible for this hiddeous act will ever in a life time. I hope that none of us have to experience another scene as this again. My support and heart goes out to all of the fans at this site and the world.

Message: 18715 Posted: Tue Sep 11 19:58:22 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Are The Guys....

I sometimes think about the band's name and wonder if it's ever been a concern for the guys in this crazy world especially performing abroad.

Also, today's tragic scenes on TV make me think of the front and back of the "Perspective" album cover. It's as if the clouds on the cover are now clouds of bellowing smoke.

Message: 18714 Posted: Tue Sep 11 18:44:17 2001 By: John Lussier
Subject: unbelieveable

My thoughts and prayers are with all of you, especially those directly affected by the events of today. I guess all of humanity will be affected by it.


Message: 18713 Posted: Tue Sep 11 17:55:35 2001 By: CJ
Subject: Re: Are The Guys....

Confirmed just a bit ago - safely in Guatemala but unable to get calls out. They're ok. . .

Message: 18712 Posted: Tue Sep 11 17:04:03 2001 By: LisaRose

It is so horrible here in New York. Glad you are okay Howie. Nina, we were told to keep it low in our school too but when your window faces what was the World Trade Center....we actually saw one of the towers go down. I just got in now because we were a shelter in our school district all the children that hadn't been picked up. We are just a few miles outside Manhattan. I feel for all those lives lost and for their families.

Message: 18711 Posted: Tue Sep 11 16:01:42 2001 By: Spurs
Subject: Terrorism

Have just woken up to this shocking news,all thoughts and prayers are with you people stateside.

Message: 18710 Posted: Tue Sep 11 13:57:12 2001 By: jeff brink
Subject: New York...

...good that you checked in Howard. ...would be good if any of the other New Yorkers checked in too. Maureen?

Message: 18709 Posted: Tue Sep 11 12:34:33 2001 By: Erin
Subject: today

my thoughts are also with everyone...i hope you and your families and friends are all safe...i never thought i'd see something this horrible in my lifetime...and i hope none of us ever do again...

Message: 18708 Posted: Tue Sep 11 11:49:39 2001 By: Pat B.
Subject: The Terrorist's Attacks

I would like to say a prayer for all of the people hurt by this terrible tradgedy.

Howard, my thoughts and prayers are with you.

Message: 18707 Posted: Tue Sep 11 10:11:58 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Are The Guys....

Does anyone know whether The Guys and The Crew have left for Guatemala already? Their show is scheduled for tomorrow so hopefully they have already left the US since all flights are grounded.

My loved one called. She was at the airport preparing to fly out of NYC when the tragedy occurred.

Message: 18706 Posted: Tue Sep 11 09:25:37 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Awful!

And the same of course with the Pentagon.

Message: 18705 Posted: Tue Sep 11 09:24:01 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Awful!

My sister flies with TWA which was recently purchased by American. She's flying today but I don't know to where. She has yet to call in but I don't think TWA has made the transition yet. I hope not anyway so that's a bit of relief for me.

It's my understanding that two of the four airplanes hi-jacked are American and the other two are United. Terrible, terrible!!! I hope none of us here have any loved ones working in the Trade Center bldgs or on any of the airplanes involved whether workers or passengers.

Message: 18704 Posted: Tue Sep 11 08:58:33 2001 By: Mark
Subject: They hit the Pentagon too

I used to work there some up until 3 years ago.

The whole thing is very sad. Very sad.

Message: 18703 Posted: Tue Sep 11 08:39:20 2001 By: Nina
Subject: Destruction in NYC

Oh my God! I cannot believe what is going on! We're not allowed to share anything about this with students, as our pricipal put out a gag order....but as I pass teachers in the hall we look in each other's eyes and the fear I see is in each and everyone of us. Howard...god bless you...and hang in there!

Message: 18702 Posted: Tue Sep 11 08:13:17 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: destruction in NY...both twin towers are gone!

I can not believe my eyes what I am seeing. My sister had called from TNN in NY when the second air plane hit the 2nd building.They were evacuating the building. Then the phones went dead. Worrying...but she just called a few minutes ago..Everyone out there stay safe...

Message: 18701 Posted: Tue Sep 11 08:09:30 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: thanks to ShariL

All I can say is that America fans are the best in the world
in helping others out. I just wanted to say thanks to ShariL for helping me out in calling my wife and inlaws. She's a blessing in disguise. Our company has closed down, but for 80% of the people that work here, they live in New Jersey, Long Island, upstate, etc and
just trapped like rats. People are very very scared here, as
I'm sure all of you feel the same watching the news. Horrible!

Message: 18700 Posted: Tue Sep 11 08:05:44 2001 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: Howie's request

I have called Howard's wife and in laws.
ShariL <><

Message: 18699 Posted: Tue Sep 11 07:43:09 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: destruction in NY...both twin towers are gone!

If anyone is watching the news, it's amazing on
what's going on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Message: 18698 Posted: Tue Sep 11 07:29:46 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Disaster...Can anyone help out a fellow America fan?

I'm here in New York City...absolutely trapped.
My company says we can go home, but all bridges, tunnels, etc
are closed. I take the bus home into the Lincoln Tunnel.
Anyways, can someone call 2 people for me and I'll be forever
in debt. We cannot make phone calls out at all. Everything is
shut down. Please call my wife Shari at let her know I'm okay
at work: 732-905-1228 and my mother in law Joan/Jerry Holzberg
at 732-866-3989. Thanks and very very scared!!!

Message: 18697 Posted: Mon Sep 10 23:46:05 2001 By: Eady52
Subject: Happy Anniversary

It's nearly midnight on Monday as I write this, but before the day is through, I'd like to wish Gerry and Kathy a happy lucky 13th anniversary.

"There is no more lovely, friendly, and charming relationship, communion, or company than a good marriage." -Anon-

Wishing you many, many more happy years together.

Message: 18696 Posted: Mon Sep 10 21:17:50 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: "clearwater concert"

How was Hall & Oates, though? Just curious!

Message: 18695 Posted: Mon Sep 10 21:00:59 2001 By: melzer
Subject: Re: "clearwater concert"

Hi Brad, Thanks yeah you are probably right. America is too modest they needed to be top billing instead of opening act. Can't wait until the next concert..... Mel :)

Message: 18694 Posted: Mon Sep 10 19:51:31 2001 By: Brad Askew
Subject: Re: "clearwater concert"

Hi, Mel. When I saw America Friday and Saturday, they did have T-shirts, CDs and a hat for sale at a table. I guess since they were the opening act, they did not have the items to sell in Clearwater. I bought "Go Man Go" there. It was the last album of theirs/Gerry's I did not have on CD. Maybe next time. Brad

Message: 18693 Posted: Mon Sep 10 16:14:52 2001 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: re:Hideout/Caribou Ranch

thanks harryO,

Johnny I went and read episode 49.....very interesting...(I hadn't read it)......I think If it was me I would have been very inspired to record in such an environment ( I would be happy just to be able to record an album lol).....but as Dan mentioned...your perspective and creativity is influenced by personal's to bad his experience recording Hideaway at the Ranch was a negative one....

Message: 18692 Posted: Mon Sep 10 15:32:23 2001 By: HarryO
Subject: Re: Hideaway/Caribou Ranch

I dug out my "Hideaway" album (aka vinyl) and here's what it says:

Recorded at Caribou Ranch - February 16-28, 1976

Message: 18691 Posted: Mon Sep 10 15:31:43 2001 By: HarryO
Subject: Re: Hideaway/Caribou Ranch

I dug out my "Hideaway" album (aka vinyl) and here's what it says:

Recorded at Caribou Ranch - February 16-28, 1976

Message: 18690 Posted: Mon Sep 10 14:23:33 2001 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: re:Hideaway/Caribou Ranch

..thank you Johnny.....episode #49.....maybe thats were I read about America and Caribou my age recall is sometimes difficult......anyway I shall read episode 49 (again, I think)...

"Well, the sky is clear and the stars are bright
It's a lovely night" (GB)

Message: 18689 Posted: Mon Sep 10 13:17:46 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Re: Mohegan Sun

BTW Nina - consider your arm twisted!

Message: 18688 Posted: Mon Sep 10 13:16:24 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Re: Mohegan Sun


Thanks for the info - I was planning to get there around 5:00 at the latest. I may shoot for a little earlier now. And yes - New Hampshire is closer, but Keene is about a 4-hour drive from Farmington, so I'm only saving an hour travel time each way. The 2 biggest reasons are that Mohegan Sun is free, and the Keene show is on a Sunday - and I have to go to work very early Monday morning!

Pat - I'm looking forward to meeting you. And don't worry about your bladder - I'll save you a place in line if you have to go! Just curious - how far do you have to travel to get there?


Message: 18687 Posted: Mon Sep 10 12:57:17 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Hideaway/Caribou Ranch

Specifically, it's Dan's episode #49 which is his last.

Message: 18686 Posted: Mon Sep 10 12:50:26 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Hideaway/Caribou Ranch

Leaky, in one or two of Dan P's bio episodes, he mentions the Caribou Ranch and the events surrounding the recording of "Hideaway".

Message: 18685 Posted: Mon Sep 10 12:34:28 2001 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: Hideaway/Caribou Ranch

Can anyone tell me if the album Hideaway was recorded at "Caribou Ranch". I don’t have a copy of the album but I seem to remember someone telling me that it was recorded on the ranch. The album cover photo looks like it could be in front of one of the log cabins.

For anyone not familiar with "Caribou Ranch" it is owned by Jim Guercio who produced Chicago. He built the studio in Nederland Colorado in the 70's. Various artists have recorded at "Caribou Ranch" including Chicago, Elton John, and Steely Dan. Artists were able to stay on the ranch in private log cabins and were served meals at a large dinning cabin that seated a large number of artists and their guests. I am told that the studio was a two story log cabin with the recording studio located upstairs. I heard this weekend that an electric fire destroyed the studio sometime back. The studio cabin still stands but was never restored as a studio.

Anyway, can anyone confirm that America's hideaway was recorded at "Caribou Ranch" and if so does anyone have any stories about America's stay on the ranch.

Message: 18684 Posted: Mon Sep 10 10:53:41 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: america trivia 101 (again)

Rich...I find that VGG the title track is very introspective especially using two artists who were highly creative and were very tormented in life being filled with so much imagination. I think that every person wants to create something good, but also a masterpiece. Also wanting your work to be well received by others and working through your doubts if it is good enough. Because you are giving it your all... ultimately you are offering your self on a plate. Emotions/relationships/and doubts. I especially like the remix Van Go Gan(In Aries We Can All Breathe). Sorry to get so serious:o) I really like Alibi and Silent Letter especially Tall Treasures and Catch That Train...Just off the record...(Sorry if I misspelled anything!)

Message: 18683 Posted: Mon Sep 10 10:11:21 2001 By: Ingrid
Subject: Re: Mohegan Sun / Pat B.

Pat, Wheels Are Turning is also my favorite song from Human Nature. The first time I heard it live I got tears in my eyes!

I'll bet that you can find a friendly fellow fan nearby you in line who is willing to save your place during a bathroom run. Have a great time -- stay hydrated! LOL

Message: 18682 Posted: Mon Sep 10 09:32:29 2001 By: Pat B.
Subject: Re: Alan/Pat B.

thanks nina for the info.
i plan on being one of those people who get in line many hours prior to showtime. i just hope that my bladder is prepared for the Endurance Test Of The Century! LOL.
will i lose my place in line if i have to use the bathroom??
maybe i'll dehydrate myself by not drinking any fluids the day before.
in any event, have a good time in NH. -pat

Message: 18681 Posted: Mon Sep 10 08:41:53 2001 By: RichM
Subject: america trivia 101 (again)

Hi everyone! I apologize for revisiting an old topic, when it appears we've moved on, but last week MikeS wrote "what two gerry songs (primarily) reminisce about his life?" "1960" and "watching the time" are, of course, the two songs that probably best answer this question. Although I'm not sure if Van Go Gan is a song that "reminisces" about Gerry's life, I've always thought it is one of Gerry's most introspective songs and I've imagined it was his aattempt to put into music some doubts about his career and his struggle to continue to be creative The reference to "sentimental memories" suggests the past creative and commercial succccess he has had and "maybe I'm just a wannabe, etc." seem to suggest doubts about his continuing ability. Anyway, VGG (and all its remixes)is one of my all-time favorite Beckley/america songs. Fun question.


Message: 18680 Posted: Mon Sep 10 07:22:24 2001 By: Nina
Subject: Alan/Pat B.

Alan...Because of the N.H. show on Oct. 7th, I wasn't planning on attending the Mohegun Sun show the following week-end; b u t you could probably twist my arm! (I'm no rocket scientist, but isn't New Hampshire closer to Maine than Connecticut?) Why aren't I going to see you in N.H.??? It's a nice venue for an America show...small and personal. Plus...think of the lovely autumn foliage!!!!

Pat B. ... I've been to quite a few show at the Mohegun Sun. Most seats are good, but if you want to be really close up you've got to get there early. I've never gone later than 5:00 PM, and I'd advise even earlier! I've gone as early as 3:00 PM and there's always people already waiting!

It's unusual for America to do only ONE show at the casino, but I'm guessing they need to catch a flight to California for the Carl Wilson event scheduled for the following day?

Message: 18679 Posted: Sun Sep 09 22:11:45 2001 By: melzer
Subject: "clearwater concert"

I seen America tonight and they were great as always.. But we caught the short set around this time... But they really rock "Sandman" tonight. I was lucky enought to meet them after the show they are a great band. The crew members are just as nice. I think that they should of been top billing instead of Hall and Oats. But there is one thing I really missed that you couldn't buy any of America stuff. Why is this??????? This Band is great lets support them.... America Rocks Tampa Bay...... Mel :)

Message: 18678 Posted: Sun Sep 09 18:43:24 2001 By: Spurs
Subject: Off Topic

Hello everyone,Poco,America's old touring buddies I remember them touring the UK together in 75' and sharing the stage at the Universal Amphitheatre at the end of last year.They have almost concluded recording for a new album,also comes the news that they have been approached by (emi europe)to record an acoustic Greatest Hits.Emi europe will have the distribution rights for europe and Poco for the states,Poco are also very pleased with their new management,and expect to play a lot more dates next year,would'nt mind Gerry and Dewey doing an acoustic best of!

Message: 18677 Posted: Sun Sep 09 16:39:07 2001 By: Pat B.
Subject: Mohegan Sun

Alan- I will definately be at the Mohegan Sun concert. Thanks for info about the time of the concert. I've never been to a concert at Mohegan Sun, is the seating first come first served? If it is, at what time would you recommend that I should get there? I have already planned on getting there very early so I can get a great seat. The last time I saw the guys they played the short set, like you, I'm hoping for the long set. According to Brad's post, they are still playing Wheels Are Turning, which is my favorite tune from Human Nature. I can't wait to hear that song live! -Pat

Message: 18676 Posted: Sun Sep 09 14:23:02 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Re: Making America converts!

Thanks for all the great comments. I'm always happy to share the "good word" of America whenever I can. I hope I get to jam w/ those guys again so I can teach them some more great music (of course not nearly as good as when our guys play it - I'm just a cheap imitation).

Speaking of converts - I have mentioned before my 22-year-old metalhead brother-in-law that I've turned on to America. Well, he's coming to Mohegan Sun with my wife and I to see our guys in concert on October 13! We didn't even have to beg - he ASKED US if he could come!

Speaking of which - any fellow chatters going? Nina? I called the Casino's entertainment hotline and found out it is going to be one show at 8:00, which hopefully means the LONG SET! Last time I went there it was 2 shows at 8 and 10, which meant the short set, but I wouldn't have got to see them at all after a 5-hour drive if there wasn't a second show that night due to a traffic jam getting out of Maine in which it took us an hour and a half to go twenty-two miles. We still managed to make it about an hour or so before the first show, but that line was LONG!

So I am REALLY hoping for the long set that night (and also hoping every tourist in the state doesn't decide to leave Maine at exactly the same time like last time).

BTW Dan C - I wish you had been there for backing vocals, too. The guy who attempted it on Horse wasn't really very good.

Message: 18675 Posted: Sun Sep 09 09:32:43 2001 By: Dan
Subject: Re: Making America converts!

Great story, just wish I had been there for vocal back up..DanC.

Message: 18674 Posted: Sun Sep 09 09:08:11 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Making America converts!

How cool is THAT, Alan! Kudos to you and your converts, keep spreading the message, brother!!!!

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Message: 18673 Posted: Sun Sep 09 04:26:40 2001 By: Margaret
Subject: Re: NZ Tour?

Here's hoping for an Australian tour also!!

Message: 18672 Posted: Sun Sep 09 01:03:07 2001 By: Spurs
Subject: Review and News.

Hello everyone,fantastic review Brad, plus the great news concerning a tour to NZ,prehaps the chaps can drop in on Oz as it is next door,Jimbob keep us all informed as events unfurl,would like to hear the moment "our boys" turn platinum ,and tour news.Still selling strong down there.

Message: 18671 Posted: Sun Sep 09 00:49:45 2001 By: jimbob
Subject: NZ tour?

Hey Brad! I am indeed excited to hear the news of a possible tour here! Thanks for letting me know. Cheers, Jim.

Message: 18670 Posted: Sat Sep 08 22:11:03 2001 By: Brad Askew
Subject: Peachtree City night #2/ Talking to Pete/New Zealand?

Hi, everyone. It is after 1 A.M. Sunday morning, and I just got back from seeing the boys for the 2nd straight night! As Gerry told me it would be, the set was identical to last night. See my previous post for all the songs. Once again the show was excellent. Strangely, neither Gerry nor Dewey mentioned the new Complete Greatest Hits at either show?! You would think they would self promote a little bit. Sadly, neither new song was performed. Maybe soon. My friend Andy and I spoke to Pete Leonardo (sp?) back at the hotel after the show. For those who don't know him, Pete has worked for the band since 1981 and is the guy who does a great job of keeping all those instruments in tune. Gerry recognized him and the soundboard operator both nights when he did band introductions. We talked to Pete about where they were going next (Clearwater, FL and then Central America for many days). Jim, you will be excited to hear that America is negotiating to tour New Zealand, perhaps in January. Selling all those CDs did get their attention! Pete was a pleasure to talk to. I feel fortunate to be able to say I have seen America live 10 times now in the past 11+ years. I hope it won't be a long wait for #11! Brad

Message: 18669 Posted: Sat Sep 08 21:53:13 2001 By: Brad Askew
Subject: Re: Making America converts!

Great story Alan! Convert the world! Brad

Message: 18668 Posted: Sat Sep 08 20:57:56 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: Making America converts!

Alan...what a wonderful experience! Glad you shared it, and glad for the "converts!"

Mags :O)

Message: 18667 Posted: Sat Sep 08 20:55:30 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: Peachtree City concert report

Thanks for sharing, Brad. You're so right...Never Be Lonely is a GREAT song...especially live...very plugged and energetic. Sounds like a great time was had by all!

Mags :O)

Message: 18666 Posted: Sat Sep 08 19:59:17 2001 By: Mike B
Subject: Re: Making America converts!

Glad to you here about your great America jam, Alan.

Message: 18665 Posted: Sat Sep 08 19:02:25 2001 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Making America converts!

That was great. You guys have lots of AMERICA material to choose from.
AMERICA forever. Have fun.

Message: 18664 Posted: Sat Sep 08 18:53:17 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Making America converts!

Hi everyone! I just had the most awesome experience today. A musician friend of mine booked the ampitheater at our local college for the afternoon. He is a local singer/songwriter who writes some awesome tunes (plus does some covers). Anyway, he did a show today dedicated to his mother who passed away 7 years ago today and invited a bunch of his musician friends to come play, myself included. My guitar-playing buddy Mike Worthley was also there. We were supposed to take turns doing sets with the other players, but Mike had to leave early, after we only had the chance to play 3 of our rehearsed songs. Also, almost no one showed up to listen despite the fact that Brian had invited a ton of people. Anyway, I ended up sitting in with Brian and playing on many of his songs (it's always fun playing songs you don't even know - luckily they were easy to follow).

Anyway, after Mike left and Brian had done his songs, it soon deteriorated into a jam session (which was fine since we had virtually no audience anyway and was - quite frankly - a lot more fun). After playing a bunch of songs that Brian's other friends wanted to play, they finally asked me if there was anything I wanted to play. I had learned from Brian that a couple of the guys knew "Roller Derby Queen", a classic song by Jim Croce, so I suggested that we do that one. I also asked if anyone knew any songs by America. Some didn't know who America was and others were only vaguely familiar with them. I mentioned a few songs and most of them recognized the songs, so the lead guitar player said "Go ahead - play some America". So I started playing Sandman. It didn't take the lead player long to find the right scale to play lead to it and Brian got on the drums. I'm not really sure who else joined in, but we were really rocking the place. At the end of the song, I said "OK, now let's do Roller Derby Queen." The other guys said "No way! Play some more America! That was great!" We ended up playing Lonely People and Horse after that.

Most of those people I had never met before today, but I had a great time with them and was extremely glad I could have a great jam and at the same time enlighten a few local musicians about the greatest band on the face of planet.

I apologize for the lengthy post, but I just had to share this experience. Gotta go for now - there is still much work to be done...


Message: 18663 Posted: Sat Sep 08 16:03:46 2001 By: Janice
Subject: PTC Concert

Thanks Brad..great review! Since they were playing 8 mins from my house I was perched on top of my roof with binoculars! Was that you rushing the stage with those roses for Dewey?? Lol..
Actually I was home playing Scrabble..yes, Beech..Scrabble! I won, but then again I was playing against an 8 year old!

Message: 18662 Posted: Sat Sep 08 15:59:10 2001 By: Steve
Subject: Homecoming

Angie,In regards to The Homecoming Dvd/Audio it is still scheduled for Sept.25 release.In addition to the 10 original songs there is a bonus interview discussing the making of the album.There are also 4 different mixes of the entire album.

Message: 18661 Posted: Sat Sep 08 14:46:55 2001 By: connie
Subject: Re: Peachtree City concert report

Thanks for the great review, Brad. I enjoyed your comments on the individual songs. Have a GREAT time tonight!

Message: 18660 Posted: Sat Sep 08 14:38:36 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Hey Beech...

Do they HAVE slot scrabble (snicker, snicker!!!)? How about STRIP scrabble. Now THAT would be interesting....what on EARTH would you do with a triple word score? (chuckle)

Ok, enough. Enjoyed your post, Brad! Hope tonight goes down the same lane as last night! (C=

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Message: 18659 Posted: Sat Sep 08 14:32:24 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Hey Beech...

WOW. That's all I can say Janice, is WOW. The most I've ever won is $450.......sigh....(lol) Now, just don't even TRY to play me in scrabble, though...rofl!

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Message: 18658 Posted: Sat Sep 08 11:06:55 2001 By: Brad Askew
Subject: Peachtree City concert report

Hi, everyone. I saw the concert last night in Peachtree City. As always, they put on a great show. They started at 9 P.M. and played for 90 minutes. Here is the set list with my comments.
1. Riverside 2. Ventura Highway - Dewey briefly mentioned Janet Jackson had a hit single during the show but didn't explain about her sampling VH. 3. You Can Do Magic 4. Don't Cross the River 5. Daisy Jane 6. Wind Wave- I hoped they would play this favorite of mine! It sounded super. 7. Another Try 8. Three Roses - Dewey definitely sang "bought", and the song was a highlight of the show. 9. I Need You - Always nice to hear it done on guitar. 10. Baby It's Up to You -I enjoyed hearing this semi-obscure song live 11. Wheels Are Turning - They segued nicely from "Baby" to this one. It may only be my 4th or 5th favorite off "Human Nature", but it sounded excellent live. 12. Tin Man 13. The Border 14. Woman Tonight 15. Only in Your Heart 16. California Dreamin' - Gerry said the producers of the movie had told them "it would be a blockbuster." He followed with they should have said "it would go straight to Blockbuster." 17. Lonely People - Got a standing ovation from many in the crowd of 2,500+.
18. Hangover 19. Things We Said Today - Love it! 20. Never Be Lonely -Why wasn't this excellent song on the box set? 21. Sandman - Always a highlight of their shows. 22. Sister Golden Hair Encore 23. Horse. My friend and I went to their hotel after the show. We only saw Gerry in the lobby but got him to autograph our Highway and Complete Greatest Hits CDs. He was nice as always and said they would probably do the same set tonight. We will be there! Brad

Message: 18657 Posted: Sat Sep 08 07:57:39 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Homecoming

Is there any news about the Homecoming release from Rhino on Sept 25? It is DVD/Audio. Do we know if we will get any pictures or video with it? Msmith good trivia question...

Message: 18656 Posted: Sat Sep 08 05:47:56 2001 By: msmith
Subject: america trivia 101

angie, you win!! win the admiration of all the america fans on this board! the answers were "1960" & "watching the time go by".

Message: 18655 Posted: Sat Sep 08 03:41:55 2001 By: jimbob
Subject: On the charts cont.

Someone just asked me was it a classic hits chart I was posting about, and it does look like it is,what with Beach Boys etc., but this is indeed the national chart. There are 4 new bands in the top 10,but I do like how the older stuff can foot it with, and indeed outsell, a lot of the new music. Im 41 soon, you see!

Message: 18654 Posted: Sat Sep 08 03:01:10 2001 By: jimbob
Subject: On the charts

Hi everyone; just letting you know, the DEFINITIVE CD is number 2 on the album charts here in New Zealand. I have recently seen it at #1 in different music stores as being the top seller for that particular chain, but today it is #2 across the country! Stop for a moment and consider that. AMERICA management, is now not an extremely good time to book a N.Z. tour?? Im sure the guys would be #1 were it not for the recent release of one Elvis Presley and his 50 Greatest Hits! Of the rest, Willie Nelson is at 6, Beach Boys Very Best Of at 7,and Billy Joel's Ultimate Collection at #8. So guys,summer is almost here; come rock Auckland!

Message: 18653 Posted: Fri Sep 07 22:54:27 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: Old gamblers never die.....


Mine, too! Although wasn't Wayne Newton, but Sinatra!

Mags :O)

Message: 18652 Posted: Fri Sep 07 22:50:00 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: america trivia question (101)

I'm sure someone's already answered this, but To Each His Own and Monster, or Sara and Monster.

Mags :O)

Message: 18651 Posted: Fri Sep 07 22:45:21 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: Till The Sun Comes Up Again.....Now Sue

Agreed. VGG is simply a masterpiece. A creative gem...lyrically and musically interesting, a cornucopia of production/edit techniques. I can't wait for a third Beckley solo!

Message: 18650 Posted: Fri Sep 07 19:17:50 2001 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: America "On the charts"

Just to add a bit to an earlier post...."the Border" was the last song by the guys to Actually make the Billboard Hot 100,peaking at #33 in 1983. "Special girl" DID make the AC charts,peaking at #15 in 1984. I don't show any chart action for "Can't fall asleep to a lullabye",but I know it was a charting record for the trade publication "Radio & records". It may have made the AC billboard charts,but my book only goes up to 1985. Also of note "Only game in town" 'Bubbled under' at position #107 in 1979. It spent 3 weeks on that Billboard chart. LP wise,"Perspective" did make the Billboard top 200 peaking at #185 in 1984. Thats the last time the guys have made the LP chart. One other note: Dan Peek is the only one of the 3 to have a solo hit make the Hot 100 when "All things are possible"
charted at #78 in 1979.....

Message: 18649 Posted: Fri Sep 07 18:33:54 2001 By: Spurs
Subject: Trivia

Hello everyone,whilst I have been enjoying Freda's posts and wondering what Ingrid's reply would be ? I must say has been very entertaining,handbags at ten paces,wonder what Dewey's reaction was to the three roses bit? Which now brings me on to the wandering troubadour himself,three songs I did'nt care much for, Political Poachers,All Night,and My Dear, and now they seem to have slipped under my skin,great stuff!

Message: 18648 Posted: Fri Sep 07 17:13:32 2001 By: Janice
Subject: Spell check

I know, I know..I shake my head after I re-read my posts too. I'm hopeless.

Message: 18647 Posted: Fri Sep 07 17:11:01 2001 By: Janice
Subject: Hey Beech...

For that matter, I am one of those gamblin' mouldy oldies! (However, you would never catch me at a Wayne Newton show). Yep..I one those gammblers people hate..the 2 machines at a time hog. hogginess paid off last month in Kansas City where I hit triple 7's on both machines simultaneously! Then, I went on to win another big jnackpot on another machine (on the way out, no less). Just call me a gamblin' fool.
And Ingrid..I personally think giving Dewey roses was a very cool gesture. And I'm sure he thought so too. :-)

Message: 18646 Posted: Fri Sep 07 15:45:36 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: america trivia 101

Angie beat me to the punch on one...
1960 and Goodbye? (or maybe TILL THE SUN?)

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Message: 18645 Posted: Fri Sep 07 15:42:31 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Old gamblers never die.....

Hey, HEY-now. My DAD is one of them gamblin' old farts......(for real!) LOL.

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Message: 18644 Posted: Fri Sep 07 15:40:06 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Till The Sun Comes Up Again.....Now Sue

If I remember correctly,,,,,,,,SOMEWHERE I either read or heard that in studio, they were farting around with some new equipment and playing stuff backwards and forewards. When they were listening to "Till The Sun" inspiration struck.......

If anyone can clarify where I "heard/read/dreamt up" that one, lemme know....

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Message: 18643 Posted: Fri Sep 07 15:18:38 2001 By: jeff brink
Subject: Music

Ingrid, I think Earl Klugh is a wonderful guitarist. I really like the sound of nylon strings. I have a few Klugh cd's. I especially like the song ACROSS THE SANDS on his MOVE cd.

Carry on...JB

Message: 18642 Posted: Fri Sep 07 15:00:33 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: america trivia 101

1960 and Watching The Time as the two songs for Gerry/life?

Message: 18641 Posted: Fri Sep 07 14:06:34 2001 By: Ingrid
Subject: Re: Dewey's Solo CD

Do NOT tease Dewey's Batgirl about such things! She is helplessly hoping or hopelessly helping about this. And what's wrong with Wayne Newton ANYWAY?! LOL (He WAS hysterical in Las Vegas Vacation with Chevy Chase and Beverly D'Angelo.) "Wow! Wayne Newton is hitting on Mom!"

Regarding, I'll paraphrase Dewey from his radio interview with Kelly Lame. (Oh boy, sports fans, get ready to hear from HER publicist!) Dewey was asked by a caller if VHcom was going to be expanded. He said that the VHcom site was primarily going to serve as a link to the OTHER America sites. From the man himself -- batgirl is not making this one up.

Completely different topic: Gerry's acoustic guitar solos on Garden of Peace and Whole Wide World are beautiful. They remind me of Earl Klugh's "Crazy For You" album.

Message: 18640 Posted: Fri Sep 07 13:49:05 2001 By: msmith
Subject: america trivia 101

richm--you're right--this is somewhat subjective, but i think there are two songs in particular where gerry recalls times in his life growing up, but rich, you've gotta name some songs to win :-). david perkins--'all my life' was not one of the songs i was thinking of. rock on america fans.

Message: 18639 Posted: Fri Sep 07 11:43:12 2001 By: jeff brink
Subject: THE FARM and NOW SUE

I don't listen to this song alot but do think it's very good.

As for NOW SUE...I like both versions. I wish that my CD player would play backwards so as to hear another version of TIL THE SUN COMES UP AGAIN.

Now, as we used to say 25 years ago when I was full of P and Vinegar...Carry on.

Message: 18638 Posted: Fri Sep 07 10:55:52 2001 By: David Perkins
Subject: Re: america trivia 101

Well, the very first one that came to mind (for obvious reasons): "All My Life"

Message: 18637 Posted: Fri Sep 07 10:24:53 2001 By: RichM
Subject: america trivia 101

msmith wrote: "what two gerry songs (primarily) reminisce about his life?" Great question which is obviously open to a lot of interpretation. I can think of THREE songs that I would interpret as being primarily reminiscing about his life: one from VGG, one from B-L-W and another from an America album. I wonder where we differ?


Message: 18636 Posted: Fri Sep 07 09:34:30 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: re:Gem at the nuggett

Leaky, I knew you were just kidding. I was too! :0)

Message: 18635 Posted: Fri Sep 07 08:31:51 2001 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: re:Gem at the nuggett

...Johnny, I was just kidding.....I laughed pretty hard when I saw your post...

enjoyed the chat with everyone last night...I got in on the tail end of oloololo "and the river was flowing while the crocodiles baked in the sun, was the elephant knowing that a change had already begun" great line Dewey!!

Message: 18634 Posted: Fri Sep 07 07:50:53 2001 By: rob l
Subject: Re: Billboard magazine article

It's a real shame Bunnell hasnt been on the 10 of the hot 100 charts since 1974. He is such a talented songwriter. I think America actually made some other of the charts, since "the Bporder". IIn 85, the Perspective album made it barely on the Hot a200 albms chart. It peaked at #185. They made i think the Billb. Hot adult Contemporary in 1985 with 2 tracks from perspective. C(CFATA)Lullabye & Special Girl.
But I'm hoping "paradise" will bring good ol' Dewey into the billb. top 5 on his own singing soon...

Message: 18633 Posted: Fri Sep 07 06:17:08 2001 By: msmith
Subject: america trivia question (101)

what two gerry songs (primarily) reminisce about his life? johnny, leaky, mel, & beth--nice chat last night!

Message: 18632 Posted: Fri Sep 07 05:19:21 2001 By: Pat B.
Subject: Dewey's Solo CD

I read in Billboard Magazine that one of the cuts on Dewey's upcoming solo album is A Horse With No Name played backwards.
The lyrics are:
"I've been on a horse in a desert with no name".

just kidding.

Message: 18631 Posted: Fri Sep 07 04:20:27 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: VGG and things

Jim...I agree also about VGG...Gerry's songs are well crafted...a lot of creativity and imagination. The whole album is awesome. I went back to listen to Till The Sun Comes Up Again and Now Sue...Yes! I could hear Till The Sun Comes Up Again in the beginning and middle it is amazing. I think it would be nice for Dewey to record a solo album as well...nothing fancy...acoustic guitars and his lyrics...No pressure....LOL :o)

Message: 18630 Posted: Fri Sep 07 04:03:35 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Re: Till The Sun Comes Up Again.....Now Sue

jimnak wrote: << The inspiration for that great song NOW SUE was born of TILL THE SUN COMES UP AGAIN played backwards in the studio, at least the music portion. >>

Not true! Listen again to Till The Sun Comes Up Again backwards. I think you'll find that a good portion of the lyrics were inspired by it as well.

John Lussier wrote: << What I've always wanted to ask him is "How the hell does someone get the idea of playing a song backwards to create another brilliant piece? Was it an accident or is Gerry even more of a genious than we know, being able to hear potential greatest backwards? >> (I think he meant "greatness" instead of "greatest")

I've often wondered that myself. Does one get up one morning and think "I'll bet such and such a song played backwards would make a really nice song!"? Perhaps it's worth posting an FAAQ on the official web page to find out. If enough people ask the question, Gerry might just answer it for us.

Message: 18629 Posted: Thu Sep 06 22:36:01 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Till The Sun Comes Up Again.....Now Sue

John, maybe Gerry got the inspiration from the backwards ending of "Moon Song". You know...the "All good men must come to the aid of their country"? Maybe that was Gerry's original idea? I think it would be cool to know which of the three guys came up with that one.

[Thanks Leaky...I think! Yeah, see you again at the next "Wayne Newton" show. :0)]

Message: 18628 Posted: Thu Sep 06 21:56:59 2001 By: John Lussier
Subject: Re: Till The Sun Comes Up Again.....Now Sue

After Gerry mentioned that Now Sue was simply Till the Sun backwards I went and figured out the chords to Now Sue just to see. They are pretty much, chord for chord, as he said. What I've always wanted to ask him is "How the hell does someone get the idea of playing a song backwards to create another brilliant piece? Was it an accident or is Gerry even more of a genious than we know, being able to hear potential greatest backwards?

Message: 18627 Posted: Thu Sep 06 21:43:01 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: VGG and things

JIMBOB SAID: I would love to hear some solo stuff from Dewey, nothing fancy, just him and his acoustic guitar will do just fine!


Message: 18626 Posted: Thu Sep 06 21:31:40 2001 By: jimbob
Subject: VGG and things

Angie, you are right about Van Go Gan; I ordered it through the Heart Times page last year and I have to say I was absolutely knocked out with it! I mean, obviously it was going to be good, but I like it more than some of Gerry's AMERICA stuff, and that really is saying something! I find it incredible that he can put out such outstanding music over the years and then release a solo album to the standard of VGG! The title track, to my ears, is brilliant! I would love to hear some solo stuff from Dewey, nothing fancy, just him and his acoustic guitar will do just fine!

Message: 18625 Posted: Thu Sep 06 21:29:08 2001 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: re: Gem at the Nugget you make a great old fart gambler type...I'll see you at the next Wayne Newton show.....

Message: 18624 Posted: Thu Sep 06 20:21:36 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Gem at the Nugget

FREDA SAID: The only people we saw who applauded the flower incident were some old fart gambler types that should've been at a Wayne Newton show.


Message: 18623 Posted: Thu Sep 06 19:21:37 2001 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: Page Bashing

I think the point many of us would like to make, Freda, is that our guys are paying someone to maintain the site for them. Much of the information on it is very old, and most of what is current is actually taken from Steve's pages and Steve's work. And Steve is NOT getting paid for all the time and effort he puts into his sites.
Many of us have watched that site since it launched, and very little has been added or changed since that time. I find that disappointing, since it is a beautiful site with much potential.
Hopefully people who are going to the other site from cd's, etc. are following the links and finding Steve's site, so they can catch up on what's been going on recently. And it is my understanding that the webmaster for the official site is a she, at least the owner of the company doing the site is a she.
ShariL <><

Message: 18622 Posted: Thu Sep 06 19:18:48 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: Till The Sun Comes Up Again.....Now Sue

Thanks Jim for the insight! I only got VGG yesterday and it is brilliant. I like the title track, Sunrise Sunset, Playing God, Now Sue and the "backwards song". Gerry your mind keeps working, can't wait to hear Horizontal Fall.VGG is a gem...I'll go and listen again to Till The Sun Comes Up Again and Now Sue back to back. Thanks:o)

Message: 18621 Posted: Thu Sep 06 19:08:15 2001 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Till The Sun Comes Up Again.....Now Sue

That is true. The inspiration for that great song NOW SUE was born of TILL THE SUN COMES UP AGAIN played backwards in the studio, at least the music portion. That GERRY gets his inspiration from many sources. NOW SUE is outstanding !!!

Message: 18620 Posted: Thu Sep 06 18:54:01 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Till The Sun Comes Up Again.....Now Sue

Have a question(yes, I know another one.LOL)....anybody feel free to answer this one....On VGG the track-Till The Sun Comes Up Again played backwards sounds like Now Sue? Are my ears deceiving me?... Give me a clue....

Message: 18619 Posted: Thu Sep 06 18:37:04 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Please stop page bashing

Freda, none of us are suggesting that Dewey and/or Gerry sit down at the keyboard and fix the site themselves. As the "bosses" who hired a webmaster, we are asking that they make certain that the offical site is as good as the band deserves. That's it. If you deem us "internet groupies" so be it. I,myself, prefer to think of us as a community of friends, united by our love for the music of America. Sure, some of us are quirky, but none of us mean to do any harm. We do try to treat each other with respect, as it does honor to the band that brought us all together. I hope you take this post in the spirit intended.

Message: 18618 Posted: Thu Sep 06 18:18:14 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: Please stop page bashing

Dewey and Gerry are a talented duo, with busy lives, they are only human and can't do everything. No one is demanding that the page becomes updated...maybe begging....LOL.Only kidding...and also no one is trying to make one page look better than the other. Most people I find go to both sites.

Message: 18617 Posted: Thu Sep 06 17:28:55 2001 By: Freda
Subject: Re: Please stop page bashing

Don't you think that D.Bunnell and G.Beckly get kind of busy? Between exhaustive travel schedules, performing, writing tunes, and their families, they don't have time to be webmasters like some people want and cater to the demanding whims of net groupies. Unless they make a 50 hour day, there isn't enough time to do it all. Give them a break and let this talented duo focus on music and the things in their lives that are important. Trying to make this page look good and the other one bad will cause bad vibes. Why compete against America anyway?

Message: 18616 Posted: Thu Sep 06 17:23:54 2001 By: Freda
Subject: Re: Gem at the Nugget

Really. You got to be kidding. I'm for sure this is just a bad joke and it wasn't somebody right here who crashed the stage. Nobody here is that hopeless? The only people we saw who applauded the flower incident were some old fart gambler types that should've been at a Wayne Newton show. Amazing.

Message: 18615 Posted: Thu Sep 06 17:23:04 2001 By: David Perkins
Subject: Dewey's Credit for "Someone to Be My Lover"

I think you're wrong, Terry. The liner notes on Janet's CD, clearly list Dewey as a co-writer.

Message: 18614 Posted: Thu Sep 06 11:12:15 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Speaking of which...

let me take this opportunity to thank all you wonderful people who sent sponsorship donations! THANK YOU! I have recieved donatins from all of you who pledged. "Team America" would be happy to carry with them any names of cancer survivors and those loved ones we have lost. Let me know.

Message: 18613 Posted: Thu Sep 06 10:48:52 2001 By: Betty
Subject: Re: Beckley & Lamm

I am sorry I didn't see the earlier post. Thank you!
Another great point is that Gerry Beckley and Robert Lamm might perform something from "Like a Brother". It will be a very special evening with more special guests. The concert will be over 2 hours long.
If you have any questions please e-mail me at

Thank you!
Betty Collignon

Message: 18612 Posted: Thu Sep 06 10:38:25 2001 By: Betty
Subject: America Performs at Carl Wilson Foundation Benefit

Carl Wilson Foundation Benefit Concert Tickets!
The Carl Wilson Foundation Benefit Concert is Sunday Oct. 14, 2001 at The El Rey Theatre, Los Angeles. The proceeds from the concert will benefit Andrea Jaerger's Silver Lining Foundation. The Silver Lining Foundation brings enjoyment of childhood to kids fighting cancer.
Please visit her website:

You can buy your tickets online at or Order by phone by calling 800.965.4827. They are $100.00 (plus service fees) and will be on sale until Oct. 14th or until we are SOLD OUT! You can purchase these tickets no matter where you live. Our line up is AMERICA, Robert Lamm (Chicago) The Honeys and In Bloom. Under Billy Hinsche's direction the House Band will include Jeff Foskett, Jim Guercio, Matt Jardine, Bobby Figueroa and Scott Bennett. We have a lot planned for that evening. I am sure you don't want to miss it! Tell your friends!!!

For more information visit our website at:
If you have any questions please e-mail me at

Thank you for your support!
Betty Collignon
The Carl Wilson Foundation

Message: 18611 Posted: Thu Sep 06 10:12:56 2001 By: Janice
Subject: Just a thought..

if any fans would plan to go to the benefit concert "if only they had a way to get there", please contact Steve or myself. I think I could cough up a Delta buddy pass or 2. If more than one person is interested, then of course we would handle it the same we way we handled the Cayman trip. I would consider it my contribution to what I feel is a worthy cause. :-)

Message: 18610 Posted: Thu Sep 06 09:56:05 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Carl Wilson Foundation Benefit Concert Tickets!

I am pleased to share this information that I just received:

The Carl Wilson Foundation Benefit Concert is Sunday Oct. 14, 2001 at The El Rey Theatre, Los Angeles. The proceeds from the concert will benefit Andrea Jaerger's Silver Lining Foundation. The Silver Lining Foundation brings enjoyment of childhood to kids fighting cancer. Please visit her website:

You can buy your tickets online at or order by phone by calling 800.965.4827. They are $100.00 (plus service fees) and will be on sale until Oct. 14th or until we are SOLD OUT! You can purchase these tickets no matter where you live. Our line up is AMERICA, Robert Lamm (Chicago) The Honeys and In Bloom. Under Billy Hinsche's direction the House Band will include Jeff Foskett, Jim Guercio, Matt Jardine, Bobby Figueroa and Scott Bennett. We have a lot planned for that evening. I am sure you don't want to miss it! Tell your friends!!!

For more information visit our website at:

If you have any questions please e-mail me at

Thank you for your support!
Betty Collignon
The Carl Wilson Foundation

Message: 18609 Posted: Thu Sep 06 08:00:21 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Special Edition CHAT TOMORROW

Sorry you can't join in Dan. Will think of you during that spledid tune. As for the time clarification-- Meet me in the room after 7 Pacific. When we have a quorum, we will begin! Hope to see you there!

Message: 18608 Posted: Thu Sep 06 07:52:31 2001 By: Terry T.
Subject: Re: Please stop page bashing

No AMERICA bashing going on here. Page bashing, maybe. Only suggestions coming from true love with a hopeful positive attitude that if the Master of that Official Page would get his/her act together in the way that AMERICA has always done (especially lately) then it can all work for the better. Who knows, maybe the page is directly controlled by the Guys and takes all orders from them. If that's the case, I think the message has been loud and clear.

I first set foot on this site while searching for their concert schedule. The rest is history. If you look at the beginning of the Gig Guide on the official site, it says, "Thanks to Steve Lowry". I thank him, too.

I read that it was Jimmy Jam who came up with the idea to incorporate the VH riff in Janet's song. Steve Orchard, it was refreshing and informative to see FOUR references to Dewey in a single post. Although I haven't seen Dewey being listed in the credits as co-writer or performer (as with Carly Simon) in that song, your points are clear!

Message: 18607 Posted: Thu Sep 06 06:31:23 2001 By: Mark
Subject: Re: One Way


As I recall just before the French releases were to hit the market, one of the marketing people from One Way posted that the One Way releases would have previously unreleased bonus tracks. However, when they were finally released there were no bonus tracks. I suspect that that was just a ploy to try to get people to hold off on buying the French releases. In fact the French release of Your Move did have some bonus tracks, the three America songs from the Last Unicorn soundtrack. If One Way would have delivered on their promise to include bonus tracks (like Norman) I think it would have boosted their sales, because many people that already had the French releases would have bought the One Way releases just for the new material.

Message: 18606 Posted: Thu Sep 06 04:07:38 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: Please stop page bashing

As you were probably referring to me as well. I also was hoping for better upkeep of "Highway" since it is "the boys official site". It is a difficult job to keep a site updated and working properly. And Steve keeps this site updated very well and has a lot of information sometimes from "the boys" themselves. Which Steve I appreciate all the work you do on this site. I get most of my information from here and from the other America fans on this site. So ...To Each His/Her Own.....

Message: 18605 Posted: Thu Sep 06 04:05:17 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Slots and Nuggets and Gush

I prefer the quarter slots me sef.......
As for "page bashing?" Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Steve's site is MUCH better kept up. It's frustration that's driving people to mention the other site. I know I normally visit BOTH sites (and the AOL board) regularly to get the "WHOLE" picture. BTW, I'll bet that Steve takes more care here (doing this for FREE and on his OWN TIME) than a company does (i.e cha-ching)......If that makes him/us "groupie fish" than so be it.......

TkH<------------+=! No Boundary

Message: 18604 Posted: Wed Sep 05 23:14:50 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: Billboard magazine article

Steve...KEWL! Thanks for sharing!!!

Message: 18603 Posted: Wed Sep 05 23:12:18 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: Gem at the Nugget

Hi, Freda...glad to see you post! Wish we could have hooked up and met at Sparks...would have been fun. They still got it going awwwwwnnn, huh?! And I sure agreee with you...those $1 slots at The Nugget sure are tight!

Mags :O)

Message: 18602 Posted: Wed Sep 05 22:27:59 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Please stop page bashing

as someone you are probably addressing Freda let me say this: I am NOT bashing the site, only asking for better upkeep. I am an adament America supporter. As for yor comment, I believe you owe Steve Lowry an apology. He is also a wonderful resource not a groupie.

Message: 18601 Posted: Wed Sep 05 20:35:29 2001 By: Ingrid
Subject: Re: Gem at the Nugget

Thanks for callin' me a gem! I thought I sparkled that night. Check the archives if you just want to be dollars short -- bad luck at the slots -- but not days late as well. (well, weeks now.) But I'm sure you already know the whole story.

Whose official page is preferred 99% of the time and by whom?

Dewey's (Bat)girl

Message: 18600 Posted: Wed Sep 05 19:15:34 2001 By: Dan
Subject: Re: Special Edition CHAT TOMORROW

Have a great listen TOMORROW, Ive got the first of two fantasy football drafts TOMORROW night. When you get to Oloololo think about this fan and that it's my favorite song on the record. Maybe next time Robyn.DanC.

Message: 18599 Posted: Wed Sep 05 18:35:40 2001 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: Billboard magazine article

To those of you who can find "billboard Magazine",Fred Bronsons Column
"Chartbeat" leads off with a story about Dewey & the Janet Jackson single that samples "Ventura highway". Bronson makes mention that its the first time since "Tin Man" that Bunnell has had a top 10 hit as a songwriter. thats due to the fact that the new Jackson single leaps from 12-3 in the current issue of billboard. The story goes on to say that as a vocalist,Bunnell was last in the Top 10 with 1982's "You can do magic". And on a personal sidenote,we all know that the last time ANY America song made the billboard charts was with 1983's "The Border" of which Dewey was lead singer!

Message: 18598 Posted: Wed Sep 05 18:30:06 2001 By: Spurs
Subject: The year so far.

Hello everyone,while America are Gold in NZ the new compilations seem to be doing "our boys" no harm, the huge tourng shedule continues apace and Janet Jackson has helped swell the coffers and interest,I wonder if Janet will pick a Dan Peek tune for her next album just to even things up a bit perhaps the piano solo in "Lonely People" ? Surely someone must have noticed America's chart activity somewhere on the planet and offer the lads a recording contract of some sort,the new tunes are very enjoyable but I'm hungry for more.America's official homepage is disappointing but one would suspect this is because of America's limited time due to circumnavigating the states.Is anyone going to Peach Tree City this weekend ? would love to see a review as I have seen them in large and small venues but never outside.

Message: 18597 Posted: Wed Sep 05 17:53:37 2001 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: this is a test

test message....please disregard

Message: 18596 Posted: Wed Sep 05 17:03:27 2001 By: Freda
Subject: Please stop page bashing

Not to offend anybody but I've always found the official page is preferred 99% of the time. That is where I rediscovered America again through their real home page and I like it better. So why bemoan the fact that the new CD mentions America's If you were them, wouldn't you want it that way too? Good grief. Everyone's a critic and ready to dish out cheap shots. Most unofficial pages are done by groupy blokes who need to get a life, so I go to the real thing to avoid misinformation and groupy spin. Thats my two cents. You may disagree. Please stop bashing the home page.

Message: 18595 Posted: Wed Sep 05 16:35:38 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: "Dingbat" Correction

FREDA SAID: A dingbat in every crowd is to be expected.

LOL! Close Freda but in this case it's an INGBAT. You an "Ingbat out of hell".

Message: 18594 Posted: Wed Sep 05 16:10:23 2001 By: Freda
Subject: Gem at the Nugget

Saw America at the Nugget in Sparks. First time since the early '80s back east. Lost at the dollar slots, but the show made up for it big time. Bunnell and Beckly's music is better than vintage wine. Good seats too. One bummer though. Some groupy jumped onstage with flowers. A dingbat in every crowd is to be expected. Sister Golden still rocks after all these years. Everyone buy the new Rhino CD. Its a 10. Thanks America for all the years, and hope there will be many yet to come.

Message: 18593 Posted: Wed Sep 05 15:30:32 2001 By: Janice
Subject: Ok everybody...

Everyone is hereby limited to one, exactly one post per day. It is so hard to keep up after being off for just one week, let alone to read multiple posts. Just kidding....
Besides, I am at home now again so I have all the time in the world to read. From what I understand there is "SRO" for the 2 concerts in Peachtree City this weekend. Bad news for me, but great news for the America! I hope all who go have a wonderful time and post a report.
And Mike, not to worry...the chin is still up.

Message: 18592 Posted: Wed Sep 05 15:02:43 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: "Norman"

Sorry Steve, but there is no information that I know about "Norman" being released. Unfortunately I've never heard it myself, but since I asked a question about what song should make a comeback that is out of rotation. It seems that "Norman" had a lot of votes and so did a lot of others as well. So...hint...hint...Gerry and Dewey.

Message: 18591 Posted: Wed Sep 05 14:14:20 2001 By: John Corbett
Subject: Charts

One other thing... I was at a local Tower Records this morning, checking out the latest Billboard issue. Unfortunately, America's latest compilation hasn't made either the album charts (which goes down to 200) or the pop catalog list yet. That's odd, because in every store I go to, the Complete Greatest Hits is sitting in the latest release bins along with all kinds of other hot acts, and from the empty slots I see, it looks like it's selling. Somehow that HAS to register on SoundScan, doesn't it?


P.S. Maybe the graying Crosby, Stills & Nash fans at SoundScan have rigged the machines. It's a CONSPIRACY, I tell you!!!! ;)

Message: 18590 Posted: Wed Sep 05 14:09:04 2001 By: John Corbett
Subject: One Way

All of America's studio albums from Capitol have been released by One Way Records. Back in 1997, the French releases of Alibi, Your Move, and Perspective were one of the hottest topics on this site, and everyone ran out and got their copies. View From The Ground had already been released a couple years before. So when One Way released all of the Capitol studio albums a year later, the only one most people didn't have was Silent Letter. That's the only one most people got, which was a shame, since One Way did a far superior job on mastering all of them compared with Magic (the French company). Anyway, what held up One Way was their unsuccessful attempt to add bonus tracks to each of the albums. I'd like to know more about those songs and whether they might actually be released in some form someday.


Message: 18589 Posted: Wed Sep 05 12:10:51 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Special Edition CHAT TOMORROW

Please join me THURSDAY EVENING ( yes I know tonite is the oficiall chat, but I cannot be there) For a SPECIAL EDITION of the America Fans chat. I would like to have a "group listen" to Human Nature" Let me know if you can join in , or if I'm just spinning my "Wheels" ;)

Message: 18588 Posted: Wed Sep 05 09:17:31 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: I'm B-a-c-k-...

Welcome BACK, Nina!
We ALMOST moved there, a little while back.......(in a galaxy far, far When you're at the concert, send out those "America vibes" to all of us!!!!

TkH<-------------+=! No Boundary

Message: 18587 Posted: Wed Sep 05 07:22:16 2001 By: Steve
Subject: "Norman"

Angie,Speaking of unreleased songs such as the one from "Highway" have you heard of any plans to release "Norman"?I thought is was a great song and would like to see it released some day.Steve

Message: 18586 Posted: Wed Sep 05 04:27:54 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: Sound Quality - One Way release of "Alibi"?

Your Move, Perspective, and View From The Ground are One Way releases also.

Message: 18585 Posted: Tue Sep 04 19:31:27 2001 By: Dan
Subject: Re: Sound Quality - One Way release of "Alibi"?

I've got a One Way release of Alibi.DanC.

Message: 18584 Posted: Tue Sep 04 19:27:42 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Triv Answer

The answer is 50 US cities during the "Alibi" Tour.

Message: 18583 Posted: Tue Sep 04 18:26:59 2001 By: David Perkins
Subject: Re: Sound Quality - One Way release of "Alibi"?

I gather from your posting that there is a One Way release of "Alibi"? The only One Way release I own is "Silent Letter".

Message: 18582 Posted: Tue Sep 04 13:43:01 2001 By: red oak
Subject: Re: I'm B-a-c-k-...

Did the Internet skip over New Hampshire or what? Are all the ISP providers bankrupt? Seriously, look into using the freebie internet provider sites after using search engines while at work. Some you have to send for the software, or see if the local K-Mart or Ace hardware stores have the disk for loading. Then you can use the Web freely like your Senator.

Message: 18581 Posted: Tue Sep 04 12:44:19 2001 By: John Corbett
Subject: Re: Unreleased Song

I've always had respect for the way Dewey and Gerry have handled their affairs. In some ways they could be considered a partnership as much as a group. They have always been careful to keep the songwriting credits as evenly split as possible. As far back as Homecoming, Dewey, Gerry, and Dan split three songs each among them, choosing an outside track like "Head & Heart" for the tenth. I think that's probably why on most of America's albums, each of them tended to get solo songwriting credits. In recent years, starting with "Young Moon" on Hourglass, Dewey and Gerry have been taking joint songwriting credits, but there's still a pretty distinct and fair division of credits between them. That's a MAJOR reason why there's still an America to talk about after all these years. Think about all the groups that broke up because one person hogged the spotlight or got the lion's share of the royalties.

As far as commercials go, let's hope that America doesn't ever let that get out of hand. An advertisement or two might not be bad to get exposure or to rake in a few dollars, but if it did, I would hate to see America labelled as "the group that did the Avis music," or "aren't they the ones from the Burger King commercial?"


Message: 18580 Posted: Tue Sep 04 12:38:19 2001 By: Nina
Subject: I'm B-a-c-k-...

Hi all! Back at school from a summer vacation of doing absolutely nothing...and back on-line! I only got to log on a couple of times this summer...guess I've missed quite a bit...but no time to go back and review old posts! Hope everyone is happy, wealthy, and wise! Remember, New Englanders, America plays New Hampshire in early October! Hope to see some of you there!

Message: 18579 Posted: Tue Sep 04 11:17:32 2001 By: Terry T.
Subject: Re: Unreleased Song & Sound Quality

Right, John! Not to mention those writers who gave up the rights to the SONGS themselves, either by selling them or signing something without full knowledge and counsel. I went to high school with Tommy James and Mony Mony was 'signed away' by him. David Lee Roth did the song later and Tommy doesn't get a cent. Next thing ya know, the song is playing in Ford or GM commercials...still no check in the mail or even an acknowledgement of the writer. At least our Guys know better than that!

Message: 18578 Posted: Tue Sep 04 10:52:59 2001 By: John Corbett
Subject: Re: Unreleased Song & Sound Quality

You wonder what Home Sweet Home Records could possibly have a problem with. Not to belittle Dan's recordings, but Electrovoice and Crossover were not the biggest-selling records in history, and the label should be happy that there is interest in making money off of it. This brings me to my occasional gripe that copyright holders can, when they get greedy, in effect censor culture. Imagine for a second the fact that, if they wanted to, those who owned the rights to the Beatles songs or the Beach Boys suddenly decided they no longer authorized their songs to be sold in record stores, or played on the radio. What recourse would people have? In effect, our culture would be "cleansed." I'm not saying that would happen with the Beatles per se, but it does happen with a lot of annoying obstinate small labels with misguided legal and financial advice that don't seem to have a clue what they're doing.

Regarding sound quality, I used to rant years ago about the single worst remastering effort in America's history -- the French release of Alibi in 1997. On top of the fact that the mastering lacked clarity and the details sounded muffled, a couple seconds into "You Could've Been The One," the pitch of the song drops dramatically, as if the engineer was fiddling with the tape speed in the middle of the song. Purely amateurish. Those people who are dissatisfied with the One Way mastering don't realize what came before.


Message: 18577 Posted: Tue Sep 04 09:31:24 2001 By: Mark
Subject: Re: "Norman" and Unreleased Song

Sounds like there may have been a contractual breakdown between Rhino and Oxygen. When the "draft" song listing was released weeks before the actual release of Highway, it included FAMT and the unreleased song from the Human Nature sessions. However, when Highway was actually released, it contained no Oxygen songs and neither does Complete Greatest Hits. Maybe Rhino and Oxygen couldn't come to terms or maybe Oxygen was just wanting too much money. Something that many people don't realize is that the record company owns the recordings of the songs, not the artists. So the record company calls the shots as to what gets released and when. That's the reason two of Dan's solo albums have never been released on CD. He tried to get them released, but Home Sweet Home records doesn't seem interested. While it may be Dan singing and playing the songs, Home Sweet Home owns the recordings, so they call the shots.

Message: 18576 Posted: Tue Sep 04 07:37:37 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Double Posts

Mike, that's a question that I can answer quite easily. When you hit the back button on your browser you went back to the screen where you entered your post. However, since that screen is generated by the Chat Folder program and it didn't have a chance to generate it again, you got the blank screen. When you clicked refresh, your browser resent the information that you had typed in previously to the Chat Folder program thereby creating the double post. There are at least a couple of ways to avoid this. First of all, don't hit the back button. Instead use the buttons that the Chat Folder gives you to navigate through the screens (by the way, I always hit the back button so I don't use this approach). The second way is to hit the back button two or three times to get you back to the Chat Folder index, but don't hit the refresh button. Any time you hit the refresh button it's a good bet that you'll get a double post. I hope that makes at least a little bit of sense. --SteveL

Message: 18575 Posted: Tue Sep 04 07:00:34 2001 By: Mike B
Subject: Double Posts

Can you clarify for us SteveL what situations cause the double post, or is it a mystery?

Her is waht I did. I posted, then I read my post from the normal folder mode, then I hit the back button, and then the refresh button due to a blank screen and got the double post.

Message: 18574 Posted: Tue Sep 04 06:52:15 2001 By: Mike B
Subject: Re: Sound/lurkers

Sure a lot of posts while I was off with my “fishing pole and a sleeping bag roll”.

Thanks for the reply about my ears not fooling me, David. Good to know others have the same ears. I see the same thing with the import releases, like Hearts and Hideaway. They are not as good to my ears as the domestic Rhino/Warner releases. That's why I want to see Warner re-release their entire collection. What happened to the Hat Trick release I heard about earlier in the year? I'd rather see that then a Homecoming DVD. And David, have you given Hourglass enough listens to change your mind?

Thanks Alan for clarifying my point about lurkers. I didn’t mean to imply that lurkers are not welcome, as you pointed out. Keep on lurking. I just want to make people who lurk feel welcome to post. I believe all America Fans have something to contribute here. And hope, I haven’t pushed any previous posters into lurking.

Message: 18573 Posted: Tue Sep 04 06:51:27 2001 By: Mike B
Subject: Re: Sound/lurkers

Sure a lot of posts while I was off with my “fishing pole and a sleeping bag roll”.

Thanks for the reply about my ears not fooling me, David. Good to know others have the same ears. I see the same thing with the import releases, like Hearts and Hideaway. They are not as good to my ears as the domestic Rhino/Warner releases. That's why I want to see Warner re-release their entire collection. What happened to the Hat Trick release I heard about earlier in the year? I'd rather see that then a Homecoming DVD. And David, have you given Hourglass enough listens to change your mind?

Thanks Alan for clarifying my point about lurkers. I didn’t mean to imply that lurkers are not welcome, as you pointed out. Keep on lurking. I just want to make people who lurk feel welcome to post. I believe all America Fans have something to contribute here. And hope, I haven’t pushed any previous posters into lurking.

Message: 18572 Posted: Mon Sep 03 22:53:09 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Triv Question

To promote the release of "Alibi" back then, how many cities were scheduled on AMERICA's US Tour?

Message: 18571 Posted: Mon Sep 03 22:35:45 2001 By: David Perkins
Subject: Re: Sound, Capital vs Warner

NO, I don't think your ears are fooling you. I've seen the same thing. However, I tend to blame the labels that they (Silent Letter, Alibi, Your Move & Perspectives) are the victims of VERY poor re-mastering). I deduced this, since "View From The Ground" sounds fine; REALLY poor re-mastering. Listen carefully to "Foolin'" The highs in one channel disappear within a few beats from the start of the track!

Message: 18570 Posted: Mon Sep 03 20:51:26 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Bravo

Hey Joe, thanks for the video! For the rest of you, Joe sent me a videotape with the Bravo TV segment featuring CSN, CSNY, Neil Young, and then America. I thought it was nice the way they went from one group/artist to the other. The only thing that would have been nicer is if America could have been on longer. But at least they got some exposure. Thanks again Joe!

Message: 18569 Posted: Mon Sep 03 20:46:35 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Rhino Releases/The Webb Brothers

Was watching VH-1 countdown of top 80 music videos of the Eighties. Ah...memories, lol. Anyway, saw an ad for Rhino "Best Of" series, featuring 4 CD releases (Jim Croce, K.C. & The Sunshine Band, Julian Lennon and another artist whose name escapes me at the moment). A nice little promo, yes indeedy. I think this is GREAT, BUT....notice who's missing that could easily have been included...hmmmm???

Second, has anyone seen/heard of the new CD "Maroon" by the Webb Brothers (Jimmy Webb's offspring)? Is their U.S. debut. Kinda dark, moody, great lyrics...lovely stuff!

Mags :O)

Message: 18568 Posted: Mon Sep 03 18:49:57 2001 By: Bones
Subject: re: another try keep it coming

I would like to hear - Sleeper Train and Wheels played back to back in concert.

Message: 18567 Posted: Mon Sep 03 17:48:26 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: "Norman" and Unreleased Song

Steve, I also have been asking for the missing song from the Human Nature sessions. It was supposed to be included in the Highway box set, How Could I Turn You Away. So far there has been no news of it yet.(I keep asking once in awhile). There was no material from Human Nature that was included in the box set. What a shame...

Message: 18566 Posted: Mon Sep 03 16:49:51 2001 By: melzer
Subject: guitar tabs

I'm looking for the guitar notes of moving train not the chords can any one help!!!!!! Thanks Mel :)

Message: 18565 Posted: Mon Sep 03 16:14:17 2001 By: Steve
Subject: "Norman" and Unreleased Song

I saw "Norman"done live at the 1978 show in Cleveland,Ohio.Was it performed on that entire tour?Also does anyone know what became of the new song "How Could I Turn you Away" that was supposed to be recorded especially for "Highway" Thanks,Steve

Message: 18564 Posted: Mon Sep 03 11:13:18 2001 By: connie
Subject: Re: Concert

Thanks for the review, Joe. An awesome concert, in perfect weather, and a gorgeous setting . . . it doesn't get any better than that!

Message: 18563 Posted: Mon Sep 03 08:31:11 2001 By: Angie
Subject: re: another try keep it coming

msmith, Hat Trick is a favorite of mine also and a quest to hear it live!!!! In addition to hearing Norman live as well:o)

Message: 18562 Posted: Mon Sep 03 07:53:30 2001 By: Dan
Subject: America

No offense taken by me anyway Robyn. I will still make appearences to the chat room to excite Johnny when time permits it. AMERICA ROCKS.DanC.

Message: 18561 Posted: Mon Sep 03 07:42:37 2001 By: Dan
Subject: Re: "Dan" Clarification

Thank you for clearing that up Johnny. I took it as the a very funny and tongue in cheek post that it was. I have never to my knowledge ever been confused with a great guitarist/songwriter in my life.DannyC.

Message: 18560 Posted: Mon Sep 03 07:13:35 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Official homepage

Maggie, et al, thanks for your kind words about the America Fans web site. It does take a lot of time...

Message: 18559 Posted: Mon Sep 03 07:07:31 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Concert

Thanks for the concert review, Joe. I hope they make it back there soon.

Message: 18558 Posted: Mon Sep 03 06:50:00 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Concert

What a BEAUTIFUL review! Thanks Joe! (C=

TkH<----------+=! No Boundary

Message: 18557 Posted: Mon Sep 03 06:34:20 2001 By: msmith
Subject: re: another try keep it coming

HAT TRICK. my goal in life is to hear HAT TRICK live in concert.

Message: 18556 Posted: Mon Sep 03 01:06:44 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: Concert

Thank you, Joe, for the review! Sounds like you had a memorable evening all around. Thanks for sharing!

Mags :O)

Message: 18555 Posted: Mon Sep 03 01:05:02 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: Official homepage

Hear, both of our soapbox climbers! :O) It's a good site, but yes, not nearly as well maintained as our award-winning Favorite Place, so diligently maintained by #1 American Fan himself, Steve Lowry. Being a webmaster ain't easy...sometimes, it can get downright ugly...we are lucky people, indeed. Thank you, Steve, for all you do!


Message: 18554 Posted: Sun Sep 02 21:55:06 2001 By: Joe Knight
Subject: Concert

Last nights outdoor concert in Asheville,NC was truely a night to remember! There was a gorgeous orange and red sunset in the west behind the nountains and an equally beautiful moonrise in the east. The weather was outstanding with a breeze blowing at about 70 degrees.We had a complete sellout which seemed to please the guys very much.Gerry mentioned that because of the sellout they would get to come back soon. The Carolina crowd made the guys feel really welcome. In fact when they played "California revisited" they substituted "Carolina" for "California" They played their long set but I didn't keep a list. They sounded great. It was an awesome night!!!! America rules Joe K

Message: 18553 Posted: Sun Sep 02 20:21:30 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Official homepage

AMEN John! A site that began with so much promise has fallen into disrepair. The site needs constant attention ( much like Steve pays this one) a band's "official site" need more than a part time webmaster.

rmp<<<------ climbing off the soapbox

Message: 18552 Posted: Sun Sep 02 20:16:50 2001 By: John Corbett
Subject: Official homepage

I was looking at the Complete Greatest Hits CD earlier today, and as always with the recent releases, it tells people to visit the official website at Visitors to the website will be treated to messages directing them to demand "Someone To Call My Lover" as Janet Jackson's next single, a late-breaking "From A Moving Train" from March, a notice that Dewey's Domain is almost ready (after over two years of development), plus a store to buy all of their albums right up to their latest release, Highway!

I think it's pretty lousy that Rhino has been directing incoming fans to what amounts to a site in mothballs. It makes it look like an amateur operation. Not that this is Rhino's fault -- it IS the "official" site. But whoever is maintaining the site, if such a person even exists anymore, is allowing a great opportunity to slide by by not taking advantage of the publicity generated from the new album. Heck, it might even make the charts this time with the heavy promotion and sales!!

Whoever you are out there... WAKE UP!!!!


(I feel much better now. Thanks!)

Message: 18551 Posted: Sun Sep 02 18:44:19 2001 By: John Lussier
Subject: Re: new cd

But the box set, Highway, was also Rhino wasn't it?

Message: 18550 Posted: Sun Sep 02 16:33:34 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: new cd

wasn't the last Rhino release "Encore"?

Message: 18549 Posted: Sun Sep 02 16:13:16 2001 By: John Lussier
Subject: new cd

Anyone know why Rhino chose to abandon the "H" thing with the title of the new release? Or did Gerry and Dewey make that decision?

Message: 18548 Posted: Sun Sep 02 15:03:37 2001 By: Ingrid
Subject: P.S. to Vivien

Since you MIGHT read this, I just wanted to say that my giving the three roses to Dewey after your song was in NO WAY meant to be disrespectful of you. It was just a fan thing, following up on a theme : )


Message: 18547 Posted: Sun Sep 02 14:38:26 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: To Johnny and DanC

I did NOT mean to imply that everyone wasn't happy to see DanC when he comes in the room. I certainly am!

and Johnny, thanks for the correction. without the "y" you're talking about Batman's helper!

Message: 18546 Posted: Sun Sep 02 14:36:35 2001 By: Ingrid
Subject: Re: Vivien's message

I didn't see it jimbob; I looked for it after I read your response to her. What did it say? I think that it's very cool that the woman who inspired the song posted about it. I hope that she'll post again sometime.

Johnny and I were the inspiration for a song once; it was called "The Year of Jonny Cat" lol

Message: 18545 Posted: Sun Sep 02 14:14:05 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Off Subject PSA

Our thoughts are with you and your family also ,beechlady!

Message: 18544 Posted: Sun Sep 02 14:13:04 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: More Norman!!

Re Norman himself. Bel Geddes was an innovative theatrical designer as well. His design for " Miracle in the evening" was amazing. He wrote several books about his designs ( one is titled "Horizon" hmmmmm)
I, too ,hope to see the song on some future release.

Message: 18543 Posted: Sun Sep 02 14:12:29 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Off Subject PSA

Please read this and UNDERSTAND IT.........

If you go in the sun, PROTECT yourself (i.e. SUNBLOCK). Melanoma may be the most "curable" form of cancer, but WHY expose yourself to it if you don't have too? Melanoma is also the most rapidly spreading cancer if left undetected and it can take your life VERY quickly....

Sorry to get on the soapbox now, but its a small thing I can do to make people AWARE and maybe safer.......


Message: 18542 Posted: Sun Sep 02 10:23:01 2001 By: ToEaHisOwn
Subject: Re: Norman true! I thought for sure they would have snuck it on some release by now!


Message: 18541 Posted: Sun Sep 02 10:00:55 2001 By: John Corbett
Subject: More Norman!!

Since there's been quite a bit of interest in "Norman" (or "Norman I Miss Your Smile"), I'm posting some of I've got from the Comprehensive History. If anyone has anymore information on the song, let's hear it!!!

Excerpt from a Billboard review of a July 1978 concert at the Universal Ampitheatre in Los Angeles:

One song offered from the duo's upcoming album, "Norman I Miss Your Smile," [was] dedicated to Norman Bel Geddes, a designer of the '20s and '30s.

Excerpt of an article from a magazine in 1978:

On a recent visit Gerry sits at the piano to play "Norman," a new song which will probably be on America's next record. It is a gentle, sensitive song, a tribute really to a pioneering designer who is today all but forgotten; his name was Norman Bel Geddes and in the twenties and thirties he explored the vast, untapped potential for innovative design ideas in modern industrial construction and production; his vision led him to the practical and aesthetic advances of streamlining in cars, trains, and ships, and his designs were always spectacular. Gerry's voice echoes high and clear around the room:

"I'd sail a ship round the ocean today with your name on it, And I've never sailed a ship before, Norman... How can people forget, I won't let them, Norman..."


Message: 18540 Posted: Sun Sep 02 08:44:42 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Three Roses FYI and World Of Light

Interesting stuff there, Howie!

When I think of "Three Roses", I can't help but envision the color of the roses being red and no other color, and this was before "Greenhouse" came out.

(Beech: I hope your stepdad's condition continues to improve.)

Message: 18539 Posted: Sun Sep 02 07:54:28 2001 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Three Roses FYI and World Of Light

On the old concerts they played 3 Roses: Holland, Whiskey AGo-Go and others, before Dewey started that song, he always mentioned Vivien's name!

Ain't that funny, Gerry's new song called World Of Light....
In the late Eighties, Dan came out with an album called Light Of
The World with Peace!

Message: 18538 Posted: Sun Sep 02 00:59:12 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Oops!

Oops! Not "Robin". Sorry ROBYN. I need sleep.

Message: 18537 Posted: Sun Sep 02 00:55:41 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Dan C

Robin said: He [Dan C] posts as Dan in the chat room, getting everyone excited until he clarifies himself.

jy says: Dan C just posts as Dan in the chat room, getting everyone excited even AFTER he clarifies himself.

Ing, you're right that it's hard to tell a person's intent via typed words only. I guess it's best to use the "Oloololo" notation that Jim so keenly pointed out------>LOLOLOLOL

Yes Jimbob, I too saw Vivi's remarks!!!

Vivi, not even with a TWENTY FOOT pole! :0) But thank you for the part about letting us know the roses were BOUGHT and that the song was indeed written for you. I don't think there was EVER any dispute about the latter.

Message: 18536 Posted: Sat Sep 01 19:05:38 2001 By: jimbob
Subject: Vivien's message

Am I the only one who saw Vivien's post? It sure didnt last on the folder long! Why is that?

Message: 18535 Posted: Sat Sep 01 18:57:23 2001 By: Ingrid
Subject: Re: "Dan" Clarification and Norman

My post to Johnny about talking to Dan Peek was also a joke. I wonder why I keep finding myself in the middle of these cases of mistaken identity here!? I guess "tongue-in-cheek" doesn't always come across in print.

Robyn -- you answered my question. I was going to ask if Norman had been related to "Miss Elly." (It was my favorite show in high school.)

Message: 18534 Posted: Sat Sep 01 18:17:05 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: Norman

Okay here is a plea - Gerry record Norman for those who haven't heard your voice singing that song (yours too Dewey, not to leave you out). Just a little begging.LOL. Johnny, thanks for the post on the magazine article. A big thank-you to Mags who let it be posted here on the site. I really appreciate seeing the album covers, reading the articles, and seeing the photos. Especially that I was born at the height of their career.

Message: 18533 Posted: Sat Sep 01 18:00:26 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Norman

I am glad I am not the only one clamouring for this song, either live or recorded! Yes Norman Bel Geddes ( father btw of Barbara Bel Geddes of "Dallas" fame) was a designer and architect in the 30's and 40's His autobiography, published after his death, titled "Miracle in the Evening" is a fascinating look at the man and his time.

Message: 18532 Posted: Sat Sep 01 17:56:41 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Rock Cover

That April 1972 "Rock" magazine with the trio on the front cover is owned by Maggie. She told me that she plans to post the contents of the article for all of us to read; I think that's very nice of her. It may be a week or two though, right Mags?

Message: 18531 Posted: Sat Sep 01 17:54:08 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Gone So Long......

Wow, I go away for 3 days and the POSTS.....oy.....
(Thanks for the thoughts, I and JY)
Step Dad had a brain tumor removed and a subsequent stroke, for a while we thought we'd lost him. He lost his speech entirely. NOT a good week for us (him). THEN I started kickboxing on Monday last. Um, can you say SORE? I have treadmarks on my heinie from where the instructor KICKED So, hence not much posting........

I want to hear BELL TREE. I want to hear BELL TREE. I want to hear BELL TREE. I want to hear BELL TREE. I want to hear BELL TREE.

There. I think I was sufficiently forthright and


Message: 18530 Posted: Sat Sep 01 17:53:26 2001 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: "Dan" Clarification

The "Dan" reference by Johnny was just a little joke. The "Dan" who comes into the chat room is DanC. He just posts as Dan in the chat room, getting everyone excited until he clarifies himself.

Message: 18529 Posted: Sat Sep 01 17:28:46 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Norman

I was one of those people fortunate enough to hear Norman back in 1978 in concert. It was only very recently that I learned that that was the name of the song. I do remember Gerry announcing that the song would be on their next album. I also remember thinking what pretty song it was and was disappointed when I finally was able to get all of America's albums that it was not on any of them. I would give ANYTHING to hear that song again. I was really hoping that it would be included on the box set.

Could we maybe start some kind of campaign to get Gerry to include it on the next America album or perhaps even on his next solo? Perhaps if he could see the demand for that song, he might consider it. It's just a thought.

Message: 18528 Posted: Sat Sep 01 17:25:23 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Various Moaning...

I could use some of that Moaning Light.....(or is that me moaning at FIVE THIRTY IN THE MORNING to get my daughter to her bus stop?)


Message: 18527 Posted: Sat Sep 01 17:04:32 2001 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Three Roses-Pat

Ah good. An "out of stepper" like myself!!! I do like the first album ALMOST better....(Head & Heart makes it rough to form an absolute opinion,


Message: 18526 Posted: Sat Sep 01 16:41:44 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: Three Roses

Sorry bad spelling. The inspiration for Dewey:o)

Happy 60th b-day mom.HWNN is
for you today! I know that
you love the grammar!

Message: 18525 Posted: Sat Sep 01 16:27:56 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: Three Roses

Jim, I never thought about that. Yes, we have Vivien Bunnell to thank for that song Three Roses. Te inspiration for Dewey :o)

Message: 18524 Posted: Sat Sep 01 16:22:42 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: Another Try :Keep It Coming.

I've been going back to some songs and listening to them from my collection. I also think that along with Pigeon Song that Donkey Jaw and Never Found The Time would be good additions to the playlist. And Head and Heart. So with the entire playlist of "ours" it should take a month or so.LOL. Keep it coming there has to be more...right? Take care hope all is well with everyone! It has been fun:o)

Message: 18523 Posted: Sat Sep 01 16:09:07 2001 By: jimbob
Subject: Three Roses

Hi Vivi! Without you then, there may not have been Three Roses. So its really thanks to you!

Message: 18522 Posted: Sat Sep 01 15:51:05 2001 By: jeff brink
Subject: Re: Another Try :Keep It Coming.

...would love to hear GOODBYE HIGHWAY and both versions of NOW SUE live.


Message: 18521 Posted: Sat Sep 01 15:41:50 2001 By: John Corbett
Subject: Various comments...

The only information about "Norman" I have I posted to the Comprehensive History. Basically, around late 1977 or early 1978, Gerry started performing this song in concert. It seemed to be a very popular tune, because at least a couple period articles quoted its lyrics (which are also in the Comprehesinve History). Gerry kept noting it would be on the next album, which turned out to be Silent Letter. Of course, it was never on that or any other album. I imagine there may be a live recording of it out there somewhere, perhaps even the 1978 King Biscuit show, but I haven't heard it. I think it would be neat to finally hear it after all these years.

And another thought... I was listening to "World Of Light" and "Paradise" yesterday, really enjoying them and getting into it. But for some reason, when placed up against the other twenty tracks on the album, the drum machines didn't sound so hot. I've defended Perspective's drum machines only because they were supposed to sound like drum machines. The electronic sound was big in the '80s. But I think as Dewey and Gerry have migrated back to the acoustic approach, the artificial sound of the tinny drum machine doesn't cut it with a 12-string. I think the guys ought to have a real drummer for a change on the next recordings, whenever those are, like the two "live" Hourglass tracks or "Emma" from Van Go Gan. I'm sure Willie Leacox could do the same bang-up job he did in the past. Sure, drum machines are more precise, but they don't have the same kicks and quirks that a live drummer has.

America fan and confessed lurker,


Message: 18520 Posted: Sat Sep 01 15:28:28 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Lurkers

Alan, I think you summed it up very well. My only purpose was to clean up the dormant accounts but it was interesting that there was a lot of activity after that. As you said, lurkers are ALWAYS welcome. In fact, I consider myself a lurker in that I don't participate a lot in the "discussions" that go on other than to answer questions and pass along information.

Message: 18519 Posted: Sat Sep 01 15:25:32 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Another Try :Keep It Coming.

Angie, I've never heard "Norman" either and I doubt that many of us have. Only those who were lucky enough to hear it during the concerts when Gerry was singing it have ever heard it. That's one of the reasons that there are so many requests for it.

Message: 18518 Posted: Sat Sep 01 15:15:29 2001 By: Alan
Subject: Lurkers

Mike B wrote: << Good idea SteveL to clean up the old passwords. Have we got all the lurkers out yet? >>

Mike, I don't think Steve's intention was to "get all the lurkers out", but to clean up old passwords that haven't been accessed in a while, especially people like me who only post occasionally. I imagine a lot of non-frequebt posters migght not have remembered their original screen name or password after not posting for a long period of time and just created new ones, leaving a lot of "inactive" accounts. I post here just often enough to remember my user name and password, but there have been other sites that I know I have at least 2 or 3 accounts out there for that very reason.

I know you didn't mean to offend with your statement, but I wanted to make sure that lurkers know they are welcome here along with the regular posters. I only bring this up because I have seen a number of lurkers post messages over the time that I have been a lurker indicating that they feel less than welcome here because on the rare occasions that they do post, their messages are largely ignored. I myself have felt that way on occasions. Sometimes my posts are responded to, but it seems the vast majority go unacknowledged.

I think I am speaking for Steve (and the majority, if not all, of the "regulars") when I say that lurkers are most welcome here and that the reason for him cleaning up the database was not to rid the folder of lurkers who - like myself - read the folder regularly but only post occasionally. And again, Mike - I know you didn't mean anything by what you said. I just wanted to make sure no one got the wrong idea.

If I am being over-sensitive, I apologize.


Message: 18517 Posted: Sat Sep 01 15:08:55 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Another Try/Rock Cover

Saw the cover from the magazine Rock...How cool...but no article "America Comes To America? Eddy, how about the song, Crying In My Sleep?

Message: 18516 Posted: Sat Sep 01 14:30:05 2001 By: EDDY
Subject: Re: Another Try :Keep It Coming.

I would like to see HERE in concert, sound's great on the live CD.

I would also like to hear some of G.B's solo stuff live, like: EMMA, IN THE DARK, PLAYING GOD, VAN GO GAN. can dream, can't he?

Message: 18515 Posted: Sat Sep 01 13:13:22 2001 By: Angie
Subject: Re: Another Try :Keep It Coming.

Two more requests for a comeback: Another Try (Not original, I know.LOL) and It's Life. I never heard the song Norman by Gerry. Where would I find it?

Message: 18514 Posted: Sat Sep 01 13:06:48 2001 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: "Dan" Clarification

I'm very sorry that there was a misunderstanding about my posts, #18436 and #18437. Steve is exactly correct that my statements were purely tongue-in-cheek as he said.

The "Dan" that visited the live chat last Wednesday was fellow America fan Dan C and not Dan Peek. I thought my post, #18437, made that clear but evidently not totally. I guess what may have added to the confusion was my mentioning Dan Peek's "Driftin'". Dan C mentioned to all of us on the live chat that he really enjoys "Driftin'".

So, my sincerest apology to Dan and Tom Peek, Ingrid, and anyone else who thought I really meant that Dan P was actually present instead of Dan C. That would have truly been an incredible event had it really been Dan P but it was just us fans and not one of "The Trio". :0(

Message: 18513 Posted: Sat Sep 01 12:29:21 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: "Dan" Clarification

I received a message from Tom Peek (Dan's brother) regarding the recent posts that have been made regarding alleged messages by his brother on this chat folder and also joining the live chat sessions. I think that most of us realized that those statements were made tongue-in-cheek and that they were referring to America Fan "Dan" and not "Dan Peek". However, lest anyone be misled, Dan Peek has never posted anything on this chat folder and has never joined in a live chat. In fact, I'm not sure if Dan even has access to the Internet. I know that any information I get from him always comes through his brother. Thanks Tom for the clarification and for the great job that you do on Dan's web site!

Message: 18512 Posted: Sat Sep 01 12:18:15 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: America Mailing List

Fellow America fan, Ladd, has suggested that we start an America mailing list so that interested fans could send mail messages to everyone on the list. I told him that I didn't have anything like that set up and that I didn't have time to put it together. He asked if I would post an announcement here indicating that we are looking for someone to set up and administer an America Mailing List. He figured that this would be a good way to get his request in front of the eyes of all the fans who come to the site so that we'd catch any of the "techies" who have that kind of access/expertise. So, if any of you are interested and know how to do it, please contact me. Thanks.

Message: 18511 Posted: Sat Sep 01 12:12:01 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Norman

I dug through the archives and found this information which was posted by JimNak many moons ago.

NORMAN: A song that GERRY wrote about an industrial designer, stage decorator, all around creative genius who influenced lots of todays designs, but is largely forgotten. Norman Bel Geddes was his name. The song however was never released, it's just another gem sitting in the GERRY BECKLEY portfolio of never released songs.

Message: 18510 Posted: Sat Sep 01 12:07:03 2001 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: That Settled That

And 1,751 hits so far today. Is that a record Steve?

I don't know Ingrid. But, if it isn't, it certainly has to be close. Maybe I should clean up the registration more often (LOL).

Message: 18509 Posted: Sat Sep 01 11:55:54 2001 By: Ingrid
Subject: Re: Another Try :Keep It Coming.

It's okay Mr. Mayor. I "brought" the roses. And it's quite possible that they were born with Dewey in mind.

I'd like to hear that beautiful song from Our Glass live: "Garden of Peas"

----------> Visualizing Whirled Peas

Message: 18508 Posted: Sat Sep 01 09:58:01 2001 By: John Corbett
Subject: Norman

Another vote for Norman! Let's have it live, or at least let's finally have it on the next album.

Norman forever!


Message: 18507 Posted: Sat Sep 01 06:29:23 2001 By: Mike B
Subject: Posts/Born/Live/Janice

Posts: Great to see all the posts Friday. Several interesting threads and insights posted by names I haven’t seen in a while. Good idea SteveL to clean up the old passwords. Have we got all the lurkers out yet?

Born: Lets Vote. I vote Born. Email me your vote and I’ll post the results in a week. Based on responses in the posts (Bought: 7, Born: 5) The America Album songbook that I bought (but I could swear the book was born with me) way back in 1972 says: Words and Music by: Dewey Bunnell, controlled by WB, “Three Roses were born”. Doesn’t WB own that song? But, darn it all, I did hear Dewey say bought when I listened to the song last night. America needs to re-record the song with the right word.

Song Live: I heard “From a Moving Train” while browsing through the furniture store with my wife last night. I’ve heard Wheels and Pages live but I never got to here “FAMT”.

Janice: My thoughts and prayers are with you. Your positive spirit on the first go around inspired me to lift my chin through some minor trails at the time. Hope the chin is still up.

Message: 18506 Posted: Sat Sep 01 06:28:05 2001 By: Terry T.
Subject: Re: Another Try :Keep It Coming.

Notes but no roses?
Is Norman like a dude who scribbles or a song I never heard of? I'm confused but was born that way.

The Mayor proposes "Three Roses were BROUGHT"
If they weren't born and/or bought, ya can't bring 'em.

Message: 18505 Posted: Sat Sep 01 05:47:16 2001 By: Terry T.
Subject: September Morn...

...oops, wrong folder.
Right, Kevin & Robyn! The song right after Three Roses (The THIRD track of the first album) is:

tt <--- HERE rules

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