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Archives: February 2003

Message: 26511 Posted: Fri Feb 28 20:12:02 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: What's Up With Jeff

Jeff Larson's web site has a new look and some new information. The web site has problems if you're using Netscape, but it works great with Internet Explorer. Here's a link to a short clip of a song in progress called "Hazy Sunshine". I think you'll really like it (I do).

Message: 26510 Posted: Fri Feb 28 15:28:13 2003 By: D.AtwoodJr
Subject: Re: No mention of the original drummer Why?

Well he is my dad so you can ask anything you would like and I would be more than happy to answer it. Thanks for the links.

Message: 26509 Posted: Fri Feb 28 15:25:55 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Down The Road (Clarification)

The message that I received actually came from a publicist who works for the Warner Music Group, not Rhino. So it could be some other division besides Rhino that actually releases the CD. As I said, the details are sketchy.

Message: 26508 Posted: Fri Feb 28 15:25:08 2003 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: Donkey Jaw Polling Place

just for fun I created a yahoo group today titled Donkey Jaw. I thought it would be fun to use the poll function of yahoo groups as a tool for polling information relating to America. Anyone can create a poll. I have two polls regarding America on the group page right now. Try it out, cast your vote and see what you guy's think. And please create a poll question.

Message: 26507 Posted: Fri Feb 28 14:39:31 2003 By: Mark
Subject: Re: Down The Road

I hope it includes some previously unreleased bonus songs! This is good news. It means America's other Rhino releases have been selling well enough to keep Rhino interested.

I hope they release the rest of the WB albums which have never been released in the US on CD in the near future (like Hat Trick, Holiday, Hearts, Hideaway, and Harbor)!

Message: 26506 Posted: Fri Feb 28 12:27:47 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: No mention of the original drummer Why?

Here are some links to information on the web site about David Atwood. Just click on each one of the links below and then search for "Atwood" to see what it says about him. I agree that it's not much, but we'd really like to read anything that you'd like to share about him. Feel free to send it to me via e-mail or to post it here.

Album Information - Highway: 30 Years of America
Chat Folder Archive - March 1999
America Fan - Don Griffing
2001 Guest Book
Newsletter Archives - Summer 1997
Comprehensive History - America Revisited Part 2

Message: 26505 Posted: Fri Feb 28 11:41:54 2003 By: D.AtwoodJr
Subject: No mention of the original drummer Why?

Just wondering why they don't talk about the original drummer with the band David Atwood? I have looked over the whole site and i don't see anything about him? Just wondering...

Message: 26504 Posted: Fri Feb 28 10:17:50 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Down The Road

According to a mail message I received today from a publicist at Rhino, the next America release from Rhino will be a a remastered and expanded version of the very first America album. It is scheduled for a June release. I don't have any specific details at the moment but as we get closer to June I'll find out more and be sure to share it with you.

Message: 26503 Posted: Fri Feb 28 02:12:56 2003 By: jeff brink
Subject: email...

I correspond with very few people on the net and it's rare that I send an attachment. If anyone gets an attachment from me don't open it. I will NEVER send an Attachment with out getting permission first.

Carry on....

Message: 26502 Posted: Thu Feb 27 23:44:31 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: Re: Original Member and Styx

Steve, I've seen Styx several times with Dennis DeYoung also, and I agree he is great! The last time they came near my town, one of the main reasons I didn't go was because Dennis was not there. Probably if I wasn't such a big fan of Tommy Shaw I wouldn't go either.

Message: 26501 Posted: Thu Feb 27 23:22:05 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Today's the Day

All my bags are packed, I'm ready to go
I'm standing here outside our door
I hate to wake you up to say goodbye

But the dawn is breakin', it's early morn,
The minivan's waitin', it's ready to go,
Already I'm so hyper I could die

So kiss me and smile for me
Tell me that you're psyched for me
Hold me like you'll never let me go
Cause I'm leaving in the minivan
You know when I'll be back again
Oh babe, I can't wait to go

Message: 26500 Posted: Thu Feb 27 21:46:41 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: View From The Hotel Window - Plymouth, MA

Gerry has a wonderful eye. I seem to remember he was an art student. Am I wrong? I hope he publishes a "coffee table" book of his work!

Message: 26499 Posted: Thu Feb 27 20:56:04 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: View From The Hotel Window - Plymouth, MA

Gerry is in Plymouth, Massachusetts tonight. Click here to see the view from his hotel window.

Message: 26498 Posted: Thu Feb 27 19:28:31 2003 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: Re: Original Members and Styx

I saw Styx a number of years ago WITH Dennis DeYoung,and it was great! Doesn't matter who replaced him in the band,its not the same. Nobody can sing "Lady" like Dennis does,and "Babe" isn't a part of the set list either. DeYoung handled vocals on additional hits like "Mr.Roboto","Don't let it end","Lorelie","Mademoiselle","Come sail away","The Best of times" and "Show me the way." Maybe some of those songs are part of the current Styx set-list,but with DeYoung gone,thats a clear case of a show I would avoid.

Message: 26497 Posted: Thu Feb 27 19:20:59 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Nancy

empty your mailbox I am trying to send you the information we discussed last night

Message: 26496 Posted: Thu Feb 27 18:25:29 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: Re: Original Members and Styx

John, thank you for the information regarding Lawrence Gowan. His voice does sound a lot like Dennis DeYoung. Although I miss Dennis and don't know what all transpired between the members of Styx, I am happy that the band will continue and look forward to seeing them again live.

Message: 26495 Posted: Thu Feb 27 18:18:32 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Concert Soveniers

Sheldon, every concert is different and a lot of it depends on the venue. I haven't been to a concert yet this year but last year they usually did have t-shirts, CD's, photos, and other stuff to purchase before and after the concert. When Gerry and Dewey can, they often come out after the show to autograph the photos and CD's but a lot of it depends on their schedule. Many times they have to be back to the hotel so they can get up early the next morning to catch a flight and sometimes they even have to catch a very late flight. I always come prepared with a Sharpie marking pen just in case they are able to stick around.

Message: 26494 Posted: Thu Feb 27 18:18:27 2003 By: Genevieve
Subject: Non-leap year! ( T4U )

I just want to have a special thought for a great friend and a huge America fan (and America Fan web site lurker!) living in the US and who was born on a February 29th in the 50's. Have a happy non-birthday, TK and you too, leap-year babies who also love America's music. How many of you have we got out there? Hum?

You are right. We want the guys to visit us very soon.
BTW, I saw the end of a TV program which mentioned the Italian Wu Ming group of writers/artists the other day. Have you got any info on them. I found their artistic approach of literature and stardom really fascinating. Thanks for letting me know, if you have any info.
See you soon.

Message: 26493 Posted: Thu Feb 27 18:00:40 2003 By: Sheldon
Subject: Concert Soveniers

Hey everyone, I was just wondering if they sell America merchandise such as t-shirts, hats, etc. at the concerts... if so, I'll need to take some extra cash .. also, do Dewey & Gerry hang around after the show to sign autographs?
Thanks - Sheldon

Message: 26492 Posted: Thu Feb 27 17:52:23 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: fortune

Bruno, Your enthusiasm is contagious. Interesting typo though, I think perhaps it's "future." Thanks for giving me a smile today.

Message: 26491 Posted: Thu Feb 27 14:46:21 2003 By: bruno
Subject: fortune

I'm lucky; in shop of the city Salerno I finded yesterday original record Hat Trick ( in shop of my little city, Agropoli,in recent time I finded original records Hideaway and Harbor.)
the cost of the record Hat Trick was very modest: only 5 euro (roughly 5 dollars) but I purchased equal the record too for 100 dollars or more( this I don't tell to shopkeeper).
Original record Homecoming I don't find; perhaps is rare. In the same shop of Salerno I purchased ( for importation from USA) cd Hourglass; the execution of song "young moon" is for me a very great emotion.
I hope that America in fucture are in Europe and Italy.

Message: 26490 Posted: Thu Feb 27 14:35:39 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Rosie(for Robyn),Moser,et all

Check your e-mail. You are off base on this one!

Message: 26489 Posted: Thu Feb 27 08:34:05 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: Moser...Weather Update!

Okay, Nina. Thanks for the update. I can't wait either. I'll see you tomorrow. YYYYEEEEAAAA!

Message: 26488 Posted: Thu Feb 27 07:34:11 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Rosie(for Robyn),Moser,et all

Robyn - listened to Rosie this morning and decided it was a groupie girl that hung around his concerts or the name of a dog. Is that correct, or am I barking up the wrong tree? Or maybe Rosie was Angelyne in drag, ha.
Moser - have a safe trip to Plymouth from Rochester. Have a great time at the concert, find Nina, and then give us a detailed report of the action.

Nancy - are u bracing 4 another snowstorm? Eagles tix for 7/7 go on sale 2day 4 members of fan club. Sale 2 the general public is 3/10. Just think, Timmy in Philly this summer. Don't it make ur mouth water?

Got on board a westbound seven forty seven
Didn't think before deciding what to do
Ooh, that talk of opportunities, TV breaks and movies
Rang true, sure rang true

Seems it never rains in southern California
Seems I've often heard that kind of talk before
It never rains in California, but girl don't they warn ya
It pours, man it pours

It Never Rains in Southern California - Albert Hammond

Message: 26487 Posted: Thu Feb 27 07:15:49 2003 By: Nina
Subject: Moser...Weather Update!

Hi Moser! Regarding tomorrow's appears that a strong jet stream from Canada will be pushing the forecasted snowstorm to mostly southern New England and the Cape and islands, I think we're safe, because if I remember correctly, Plymouth is not really considered part of Cape Cod. We may see some snow,( an inch or two) but it should be over by afternoon. If the northern jet stream changes, then we're in for a larger amount. I won't have time in log in tomorrow, so I guess I'll see you there! Look for me, I'll be with a male friend from college days...front row... Gerry's side...towards end of row...behind a the dark.... I think!!!! Looking forward to this concert sooooooooo much!

Message: 26486 Posted: Wed Feb 26 21:53:11 2003 By: Vic
Subject: Liz Michelle Arrocha Figueroa

Just got through reading, in my opinion, the most remarkable and moving sentiments, about AMERICA. If you would like to bring a smile to your face and maybe even a tear to your eye, read the comments posted by guest 830 of the GUEST BOOK.

Message: 26485 Posted: Wed Feb 26 21:21:41 2003 By: John Lussier
Subject: Re: Original Members and Styx

FYI, as mentioned, Lawrence Gowan, Styx' replacement for Dennis DeYoung had a strong solo career here North of the border. Very dynamic performer, lots of hits here. His greatest hits cd is well worth it. I heard an interview with him and he said he wouldn't perform Babe live out of respect for Dennis DeYoung as it was written for Dennis' wife.

Message: 26484 Posted: Wed Feb 26 18:35:24 2003 By: Genevieve
Subject: breaking ties? :-) - Nancy

Hi there, everyone!
Hi Nancy!
<<Gen ~~~~ I am sad and happy about Young Moon & Hat Trick, I guess I knew deep down inside Hat Trick would prevail, but Young Moon is sooo nice..... why can't there be a TIE?????>>

Yes YM is a very nice song and Hourglass is a flawless jewel IMHO but Hat Trick has a special status in my personal history and relation to the music of America. It helped turn the musicians and singers I already loved very much into sorta mythology heroes. Who can objectively resist Dewey's 'living in the gap between the echoes' or Gerry's 'I can't unread the pages I've already read'...? As a teen I felt he song didn't tell a story but opened windows for my imagination. With time and maturity I realised I could find new interpretations of the lyrics. As for the music, it is still very modern, appealing and even moving to me.
I might not have the chance to hear the song live before ages, but I wish some of you will if it becomes a winner next Sunday. Who knows? YM will probably have another chance next year (You should e-mail our webmaster :-D). BFN. CU. Gen.

Message: 26483 Posted: Wed Feb 26 17:55:44 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Plastic Grocery Bags and Other Annoying Stuff

Who said it was necessarily a GUY who invented plastic grocery bags??? Maybe it was a gal (who's never been through childbirth as well except as the baby). :0)

Sheldon ~ I hope you have a wonderful time at your first America concert! I know I sure did. I still have the ticket stub from 1975.

Message: 26482 Posted: Wed Feb 26 17:04:37 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Hollywood Bowl, Lamaze and Rosie

The Hollywood Bowl caved in when the rich folks in the Hills above it complained about the Rock and Roll ( For what it's worth, I don' think the Philharmonic has a governor on THEIR sound system, and they can get pretty loud too)
Lamaze, my MIL called it LaMans ( she is forever mispronouncing stuff like Mrs Malaprop, but we love her anyway) I told her No, La Mans was a 24 hour enduro.... Little did I know how appropriate calling it La Mans was!

Rosie... Hmmm interesting subject matter for a song, doncha think?

Message: 26481 Posted: Wed Feb 26 12:58:58 2003 By: Sheldon
Subject: Re: Plastic Grocery Bags and Other Annoying Stuff

Hey Moser - same thing happened to me when I ordered my tickets; they told me I could pick them up the night of the concert. I asked them where our seats were & they said they didn't know... oh well! Have a great time at the show on friday!


Message: 26480 Posted: Wed Feb 26 12:41:33 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Plastic Grocery Bags and Other Annoying Stuff

I ask you, who the heck invented plastic grocery bags? Are these the most worthless invention of our time or what? Let me guess, the guy who invented Lamaze must have invented them. My bet--and I'm pretty sure about this--is he never had to go through childbirth. Well, then again, maybe he did do it once--AS THE BABY!!! Just thought I'd share those thoughts with you.
Sheldon, I'm looking forward to meeting you (and Nancio, for sure) at the IUP show. It looks like I will be looking for you in a better seat than I'll be in since my tickets were of the $18 variety, the least expensive available. Today was the first day of public sale and the tickets are already down to that? Wow, who knew Gerry Gerry Gerry, Dewey, and the boys are still so big on college campuses? I guess that's good news.
I was annoyed to find out that I won't know my seat row or section or anything until the day of the show when I pick up the tickets at the box office. Apparently IUP doesn't have a post office. Just kidding, of course they do, they've just run out of stamps!
Nina, I will be checking the Weather Channel tonight to see if I have any bad weather to contend with on my road trip to your neck of the woods. Hopefully not. Whatever the forecast, I will make every effort to, "Be there, Aloha!!" Can't wait 'til then. I was thinking we should make signs to hold up, one for you, one for me, and one for my sister-in-law so there will be three signs across the front row each with a single word on it: GERRY. For the reading impaired, that would mean the signs would spell guessed it...
Excuse me while I go check if the kids have any oaktag and markers....

Message: 26479 Posted: Wed Feb 26 12:34:57 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: New America Fans Server and Address

King Biscuit has switched servers once again and they have moved the America Fans web site to the new server as well. In doing so, they have changed the address ever so slightly. The new address is:


If you have bookmarks or favorites pointing to the old address, please update them to point to the new address. For now I have placed a redirect page at the old address but it will be going away soon (likely after the end of February).

This new server is much faster and receives much better support. During the switch to the new server we ran into a few problems and in every case, King Biscuit and their ISP fixed it in an hour or less. I'm very impressed and I'm grateful to King Biscuit for continuing to host the web site.


Message: 26478 Posted: Wed Feb 26 10:40:41 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Re: IUP Concert, Original Members, Dan's new bio entry & a little more

Hi Everyone :) ~~~~~~~~ WOW!!!! I am loving all of the responses Speech's post brought on! ~~ Let's keep them posts a comin! :) ~~~ It is still ooooh sooo cold here and I guess more of that white stuff (Hmmm ~ I kinda forgot the name of this stuff LOL!)is on taps for tomorrow and over the weekend.... Hey there Mo, Have a safe trip heading to Mass. for the show ~~ I sure hope you have Dry Hwys to travel on to and from.

Hi Sheldon ~~ Nice to hear you got your tickets for the IUP Show ~~ Hmmm if you tell me what Letter Section your seats are in, I have a diagram of the Fisher Auditorium that came way back in July when I first discovered that AMERICA would be coming my way for a show ~~~ You had asked how many AMERICA shows we have been to, this will be my 3rd time getting to see them, I saw them back in 7-97 at Bland's Park, Tipton,PA and then on 2-02 at Seven Springs, Champion,PA, they were at IUP back around 1980 and I didn't get to see them, I was expecting my first baby then. ~~ WOW just think in 34 days we will be heading to see them ~~ I can't wait for sure! ~~~ Hmmmm ~~ Mo has suggested I hold up a sign or wear something that says " I Am Nancy for sure" to the show. It will be nice getting to meet the faces that goes with the names.

Hmmmm ~~~ Regarding Original Members ~~ Lass I too was thinking about Genesis, like Johnny I really wasn't aware that Peter Gabriel had been with Genesis till he was performing as a Solo, I just love his song "In Your Eyes", I can remember watching his videos on VH1 and that was where I heard he had been with Genesis... the only song that comes to mind from his days in the group is ABBACAC ~~ I can remember that being played at the dances I went to along time ago.... I do have Genesis's "Invisible Touch" cassette and I also have quite a few of Phil Collins solo cassettes... I also liked Mike Rutherford's work as Mike & the Mechanics(I thought he was sooo good looking)~~ I think that Genesis's split was a more friendly one...didn't they split and then get back together again shortly??? My mind is kinda fuzzy on this. ~~~~~ Yes Kevin ~~ I always liked the Eagles music alot, I never really was aware of Randy Meisner till reading about him on the chat folder, I do recall when I watched their PBS Special that something was mentioned about him,and I thought that Timothy had always been with them, Ooooooh my Timothy B Schmidt.... WOW ~~ I guess by now you all are aware I like him alot.... I just love his Solo albums soo much, the lyrics and music to his songs are AWESOME and Captivating for sure! I loved finding out that he worked with Jeff Larson and Gerry & Dewey & Jeff Foskett on Fragile Sunrise...(what a great collection of songs... I love how you get a touch of AMERICA's, the Eagles, and how Jeff's influence by these other artists along with a touch of the Beach Boys, added Jeff's blended Unique Magic as well in this CD. Nice! ~~~~ My inquiring mind is wondering if the Raspberry's stayed together after Eric Carmen left the group to persue his solo album????

Hi there JoanK ~~~ Yes I love Dan's ~~"Sharkey's Song" ~~it sure has a way of mystifying me.... I hope Dan will answer my post on his site regarding this... it definitely has me curious. ~~~~ KevinS~~ upon reading Dan's 2nd part to the story, I too thought what a Bummer this had to be for this to have happened, after all the beforehand hype and excitement... I feel this Vendor wasn't considerate of their contract agreement and wasn't up front with them about the pa system regulation. He just wanted to pull in the big bucks and didn't care how the show came off. What a Shame, such a big Let Down for the guys.

Ciao Bruno ~~~ I agree with you on Hourglass ~~ glad to hear you finally got to hear it.... Definitely a Masterpiece of Hidden Gems. Keep on enjoying these great songs!

Cheers Holiday ~~ Thanks for letting me know about JB's songs, pretty neat that he gave in and sang "Rosie" ~~~ one other song that just came to my mind.... did he sing "Alive in the World" I just love that song.....

Hi there Gen ~~~~ I am sad and happy about Young Moon & Hat Trick, I guess I knew deep down inside Hat Trick would prevail, but Young Moon is sooo nice..... why can't there be a TIE????? Take care :)

Hey it is Wednesday ~~ Live Chat tonight!!!!! See ya, Nancy :) WOW Fleetwood Mac's song Hypnotized ~~~~

~~~~~ because there's no explaining your imagination to make you see and feel, sorry my friend you got me hypnotized..... no its not a meaningless question to ask if they've been gone, i remember talk about north carolina. ~~~~~ it seems like a dream, you got me hypnotized...... take it from there Bob Welch & FM :)

Message: 26477 Posted: Wed Feb 26 10:09:15 2003 By: Nina
Subject: Reply to Sheldon

Have fun at the April 1st concert, Sheldon,'ll have to post afterwards with all of your impressions of your first "America" concert! I've never really counted, but the one I'm going to in Plymouth on Friday must put my total at about 20. (My first show was in I'm one of the oldies on the folder!)

Message: 26476 Posted: Wed Feb 26 09:53:12 2003 By: speechwriter
Subject: Re: Original Members. (Genesis comments)

Couple of thoughts on that Genesis "original members" posting by someone.

1) True, with drummer Phil out front, Genesis survived and thrived ... but it was essentially a different act. Earlier work like "Music Box" or "Watcher of the Skies" was very, very distinctive. The stuff that typically gets hailed as part of a "seamless" post-Gabriel, prog-rock transition -- like the "Trick of the Tail" LP -- was a remarkably close approximation of the original Genesis muse, but it was ONLY that. Then, of course, came the mega-platinum, AOR favorites phase. I have records from both periods in my collection, but I think it's not entirely accurate to suggest this transition didn't "miss a beat." Genesis in the post-Gabriel era retained some loyalists, but others became disgusted with the lack of invention. In other words, Genesis eventually traded a significant chunk of its original audience away as the finger-poppin' and cuteness came to the fore. However, they were entertaining enough in their new guise -- and lucky enough -- to cash in by attracting an even larger new group of fans.

2) Once again proving the rule that there are limits to everything, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks tried to float Genesis Mach 3, with a new frontman replacing Phil Collins, and promptly sank without a trace (or at least much of one.)

Message: 26475 Posted: Wed Feb 26 09:01:04 2003 By: KevinS.
Subject: Dan's new bio entry.

I just had a chance to read the second half of the Hollywood Bowl story. What a depressing letdown that must have been. What's sad is that, no matter how little the band had to do with it the sound problems, they're the ones who get blamed. It's their show. Isn't it pitiful that they had to put an armed guard next to the PA system because the city's opinion of the entertainers and promoters was so low? No common sense whatsoever.


Message: 26474 Posted: Wed Feb 26 08:18:58 2003 By: Sheldon
Subject: IUP Concert

Just purchased my tickets for the April 1st IUP Concert .. I am very excited as this will be my very first America concert!!! Unfortunately, I don't think I got very good seats... The $24 (most expensive) tickets were sold out so God knows where I'll be sitting... but that's ok, I'm still excited to finally see Gerry & Dewey LIVE!!! Speaking of going to concerts, how many America shows have some of you been to? Also, I'm looking forward to meeting some of you (Nancy & Moser) who will be at the IUP show...


Message: 26473 Posted: Wed Feb 26 08:01:50 2003 By: Pete
Subject: Re: Original Members and Styx

Another Band no one mention is ACDC. I thought they made a great replacement.

Message: 26472 Posted: Wed Feb 26 07:40:28 2003 By: Mark
Subject: Re: Original Members and Styx

It's a shame, but sometimes when somebody leaves and band or they break-up, it's like a nasty divorce. Instead of just going their separate ways and getting on with life they try to get back at each other and make life difficult for each other. In the case of divorce kids are usually the innocent victims, while in the group wars the fans are (though I'm NOT saying that a group breaking up is nearly as traumatic for fans as a divorce is for kids).

Styx seems to be a good example. In their tit-for-tat exchange, the average fan doesn't get to hear their biggest hit "Babe." While there were obviously hard feelings when America and Dan split, at least they didn't tell each other they couldn't perform each other's songs. Dan used to perform some of Gerry and Dewey's stuff when he was touring and of course America still performs Dan's hits in concert. That way the fans get to hear what may have been one of their favorite songs, even though somebody else maybe singing it. It's a way to make the best of a bad situation.

Message: 26471 Posted: Wed Feb 26 07:00:26 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Original Members and 3 Dog Night

<<Danny and Cory should bill themselves as "2 Out Of 3 Dog Night".>>

Hey Joe B ~ I've never heard that before. That's funny!!! :0)

Lass ~ Regarding Genesis, I had never heard their music before Phil Collins. If I did, I didn't realize it. I guess I don't get around too much musically because I had always thought Peter Gabriel was a solo performer (thanks to MTV), but I do recall hearing years after Phil Collins came on board that he [Gabriel] was once with Genesis.

Message: 26470 Posted: Wed Feb 26 02:17:26 2003 By: Lass
Subject: Re: Original Members.

Another band who never missed and step and perhaps had greater success with changing lead singers was Genesis, loosing Peter Gabriel and putting in Phil Collins as their front man

Message: 26469 Posted: Tue Feb 25 17:50:29 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Original Members.

Another band that lost a MAJOR member is the Doobie Brothers. As most of us know, the Doobies picked up Michael McDonald but before Tom Johnston left. The Doobies rocked on down the highway with HUGE success and didn't miss a step with Johnston's absence. Who would have thought based on Johnston's contribution prior to McDonald coming on.

(Bruno ~ I understood you perfectly.)

Message: 26468 Posted: Tue Feb 25 17:24:52 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: Re: controversy

Bruno, I understand perfectly what you just said and I couldn't agree with you more.

Message: 26467 Posted: Tue Feb 25 16:41:43 2003 By: bruno
Subject: controversy

few weeks ago I order to shop in city of Salerno, shop of cd\records, to import from USA CD Hourglass; today finally cd arrived, I listened: America are always America, wonderful music, simple exceptional.
Yes, America are one of the greatest rock\pop band of all time but I think that today merit more prominence on newspapers and television. Unfortunately on television\newspapers give projecton to usual singers\bands that for me are inferior to America now and always.
(I hope that my English was clear and that America have more prominence on mass media).
Ciao Hi

Message: 26466 Posted: Tue Feb 25 16:28:18 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: Re: Original Members and Styx

Robyn, LUCKY YOU to have seen Journey with the incredible Steve Perry!! I'm jealous. Even though I did see them with the other Steve I feel that I haven't really experienced them. As I stated, I wouldn't have gone if Peter Frampton wasn't on the bill. I forgot to mention John Waite also performed at that concert and put on a fantastic show as did Frampton. I saw John Waite a long-time ago when the Babys had first hit it big.~~~As of my previous post I had only listened to Styx's new CD Cyclorama once. I've now had a chance to listen to it several times and the full effect of the music and "strange" artwork (which I couldn't understand at first)has sunk in. I am now certain of who the subject matter for a great deal of it is. In song and pictures Styx has sent a message to Dennis DeYoung and the message is NASTY!!!~~~OUUUUUCH!!! I am a big Styx fan and admit that I am upset and still reeling from this. I do like the music on the CD, but it makes me wonder what all did transpire between the members of the band (other than the little bits that were on VH1 Behind the Music) to prompt this. I'm a very big fan of Tommy Shaw, but I wonder what the reaction from other fans will be, especially when they go out on the road again (the casual fans may not notice, but the die-hards know what is going on). I mentioned what the CD was all about to a friend of mine and she said she had seen Styx the last time they came to town. I wasn't there mainly because it was only a few days apart from the Journey/Frampton/Waite concert and also a small part of me didn't push to go because Dennis was not part of the band. My friend said that Styx said at the show that they could not perform "Babe" because Dennis had not given them rights to it and the fans started booing. I'm kinda glad I wasn't there that night.~~~I've said a lot about Styx but I thought you may find it interesting in view of our discussion of bands without original members. In closing, the following lyric comes to mind:

How do you sleep?
Ah how do you sleep at night?
John Lennon

Message: 26465 Posted: Tue Feb 25 14:10:41 2003 By: Pat B.
Subject: Re: Original Members.

Kevin~ Well said.

Message: 26464 Posted: Tue Feb 25 09:58:15 2003 By: KevinS.
Subject: Original Members.

Each instance is different.

In the case of the Eagles, losing key people didn't seem to matter, because they had so much talent remaining. They replaced them with people who were talented in their own right.

When Bernie Leadon left, they brought Joe Walsh on board and ended up with Hotel California. You'd think losing someone as talented as Leadon would hurt the band, but they replaced him with someone equally strong, just in a different way.

When Randy Meisner left (probably my favorite Eagle), they brought on Timothy Schmidt, and never really missed a beat. (I think Meisner's harmonies were the trademark of that Eagles sound, but the success keeps coming, so what do I know?)

Van Halen was able to thrive after David Lee Roth left because they replaced him with someone who was someone. And when Sammy Hagar left (and after David Lee Roth returned and exited once again) they replaced their lead singer with with someone further down the rock evolutionary scale. People stopped paying attention.

Chicago tried to replace Peter Cetera with a guy who sounded like Peter Cetera. Better to have replaced him with someone who could contribute more than just a vocal knockoff.

Last time I saw the Beach Boys, it was a pitiful display. Not one Wilson brother. But, I don't think it mattered to most people. As long as it sounds like the Beach Boys, most people in the audience had no clue. They went home happy. They heard the Beach Boys songs.

America chose to soldier on without Dan, or without replacing him. But you go to a concert and hear them sing "Lonely People" and very few people realize it's not the original member who's singing.

In most cases, it's the die hard fans who have a problem with a band touring at half mast.

The general public, on the other hand, the people promoters count on to buy the tickets for these state fair shows and Six Flags gigs that these oldies acts are playing, don't care who's in the band. They came to hear the songs.


Message: 26463 Posted: Tue Feb 25 08:04:17 2003 By: speechwriter
Subject: Re: Original and Principle Members

Excellent point. "Principle members" is the key phrase. In many cases, that designation is interchangable with "original" members, but in many cases it isn't. I really enjoy the earlier Fleetwood Mac LPs -- the tune "Hypnotized" with Bob Welch on board is a favorite, as is "Bare Trees," the title track from an even-earlier release. However, I recognize that, for many folks, Fleetwood Mac will forever be the mega-platinum, mid-70s lineup that included Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham. I don't think folks would really queue up bigtime to hear a Fleetwood Mac reunion that includes only Bob Welch and Danny Kirwan, nor would they likely turn out in droves to hear the version that included Dave Mason and Bekka Bramlett.
That said, a coupla beers, the synergy that occurs when a crowd is really in the mood, and musicians who are "on" can help you overlook a lot of shortcomings. I have seen the Average White Band without Hamish Stuart (and one or two other original members) on two occasions in the past few years and they have absolutely brought down the house both times (owing largely to the charisma of remaining "principle" member, bassist/vocalist Alan Gorrie). I'm sure lots of folks here can relate similar experiences. If a fan wants to shell out $35 because he loves the rhythm guitar or sax or whatever laid down by a particular member, I say it's OK by me -- as long as there is truth in advertising on the front end.

Message: 26462 Posted: Tue Feb 25 05:39:54 2003 By: holiday
Subject: Re: JB Dowunder: Robyn, red oak & Nancy

Robyn - thanks for the info on Warren Zevon. I'll look out for "Genius". He's not that well known here, but I have got "Searchin' For A Heart" on tape (Thanks Johnny) and I think it's brilliant. Someone told me after the concert that he helped Jackson write "Barricades Of Heaven" but I have not seen this credited anywhere.

red oak - man, you're a petrol head ... in the nicest way!! ok - series opener: March 21 at Adelaide (street circuit). The F1 Grand Prix is March 7 in Melbourne - checkout
re JB: I think the backing vocalist you mentioned to Margaret may have been Catherine Russell. JB said she was the only non-Southern Californian in the band.

Nancy - he did "Doctor My Eyes" , but no "Alive In The East" or "That Girl Coud Sing". A funny thing was the crowd were yelling for "Rosie" and Jackson said: "You don't want to hear that one do you?" When they called out for "The Pretender" he said: "We can't play that one yet - we're genetically programmed to leave the stage after that one!" It was very friendly and he was fun despite his introspective and serious nature. He weakened in the end and they played "Rosie".


Message: 26461 Posted: Tue Feb 25 05:07:50 2003 By: Nina
Subject: Moser...I don't want to scare you, but!!!

Hey Moser, I don't want to scare you, but the weatherman says a storm "could" be rolling in for Thursday night into Friday...AND THAT'S OUR CONCERT DAY!!!! Right now, it's too early to call, but every weatherman/woman I watch says it has the potential to move up the coast and hit New England. There's a 50/50 chance that Boston and south will receive a snowstorm. Time will tell! Do a dance to the weather gods for mercy!

Message: 26460 Posted: Tue Feb 25 04:07:57 2003 By: TZ MAC
Subject: Original and Principle Members

A band's identity is more about principle members than original members. The Beatles did nicely without Pete Best. He was original but not a principle member. How many people are holding out, refusing to buy the Moody Blues music with Justin Hayward and John Lodge until Denny Laine and Clint Warwick return?


Message: 26459 Posted: Mon Feb 24 21:57:50 2003 By: Joe B
Subject: Re: Original Members and 3 Dog Night

Hey You People,

Danny and Cory should bill themselves as "2 Out Of 3 Dog Night".

Joe B

P.S. They were dynamite when they appeared on the same bill as Gerry and Dewey at the Star Plaza in Merrillvile circa 1990.

P.P.S. Jeff Larson rules! (along with America)

Message: 26458 Posted: Mon Feb 24 19:37:30 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Original Members and Styx

<<I hope we never have to worry about that [only one member of America with a band and continuing to be called America].>>

Cathy ~ Your statement had me wondering about just that. If something DID happen to either Dewey or Gerry, would one of them attempt to continue as America? Of course, only the two of them know the answer. With Dewey's recent mishap, it had me wondering just that. I think it's quite 'safe' to assume that Gerry and Dan would never hook-up to be America. HOWEVER, I think Dewey would team-up with Dan again. I may be TOTALLY wrong, but it's what I personally believe.

Message: 26457 Posted: Mon Feb 24 19:29:28 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Original Members and Styx

I saw Journey with the wonderful Steve Perry> I don't want to see the erzatz Steve. The real deal will live in my memory ( I saw them several times, Lucky me to live in an area where there are so many venues, I count my blessings!)

Message: 26456 Posted: Mon Feb 24 18:54:54 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: Original Members and Styx

Robyn, I agree with you regarding JY's voice. That is the element I like least in Styx and some of the JY songs are not among my favorites, however he is a great guitar player and a very key element in my opinion. I just got their new Cyclorama CD and upon first listen I really think it's great! However, I am partial where they are concerned. The artwork is "strange" however, I don't really understand it. There is also a particular song or two that seems like they may be directed at former band member Dennis DeYoung, I'm not sure. If it is~~~OUCH!!! I know there were creative differences between him and Tommy Shaw. Lawrence Gowan, Dennis's replacement sounds enough like him that the very casual fan may not realize that it is someone different.~~~I really do think it depends on what you are looking for as far as a band is concerned. I remember being upset when Tommy Shaw was unable to rejoin Styx when they reformed because he was involved with Damn Yankees, however Glen Burtnik, his replacement was terrific in my opinion, and I'm a big Tommy fan. I even went to see them without Tommy. At the time I had the best of both worlds~~a new Styx album and a new album with Tommy. A band must choose a replacement very carefully. It will be interesting for me to see how Lawrence Gowan from Styx is live on stage in comparison to shows with Dennis. I did see Journey live with Steve Augeri and they were great (he really does sound like Steve Perry), but I probably wouldn't have gone to the concert if they were not sharing the bill with Peter Frampton. I remember Journey did a concert at the same venue the year before without Steve Perry and I didn't want to go. And I really like Journey too. Unfortunately, I never did see Journey live with Steve Perry.~~~I admire Queen for calling it quits after the passing of Freddie Mercury. I'm a major Queen fan too and have seen them live and for me there is no replacement for Freddie Mercury~~what a showman and voice!! He wasn't even my favorite member of the band, Brian May is. By the way, Brian's solo work is incredible!!!~~~And as for one member of America with a band still called America~~No,I think they should say "from America"~~I hope we never have to worry about that.

Message: 26455 Posted: Mon Feb 24 17:21:29 2003 By: Dan
Subject: Grand Caymen and things

Finally got around to purchasing the Grand Caymen CD. On first listen I really wasn't knocked out. Even with Pigeon Song and Wind Wave and All My Life and the fact it was all acoustic, the first time I heard it I yearned for more of the obscure stuff. It has grown on me with each new listen, though, and I find myself listening to it more and more. I do recall reading a suggestion on here, that I agree with, and that is they should record a CD in the acoustic format with just obscure stuff, just for hard cores like us. Yes, Nancy I just listened to the Homecoming DVD the other night. WOW. Sure would like to hear Hearts in this format,, are you guys listening???? hey I've got an idea, how about a CD with new material and a bonus disc of obscure tunes done acoustically just for loyal listeners. Any arguments?? DanC.

Message: 26454 Posted: Mon Feb 24 16:28:18 2003 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: "Original Members" Pt.2

Its been fun to read the additional comments on the chat board here about the groups who continue to tour without original members. In some instances it seems to work,and in others...I just don't see the point. With all due respect to the Legacy of the Doors,the current incarnation reeks of doing it all for the Mighty dollar.All the members involved are wonderful musicians,but they should have changed the name away from "The Doors." Ok,I understand Kreiger said its "The Doors,21st Century." I saw the "Tonight show" performance,& I just wasn't impressed. Jim Morrison was far and away the Major personality in that band;he's been dead for years,so whats the point?
Also,I don't begrudge 10,000 Maniacs for continuing to record and tour without Natalie Merchant. With Merchant,the group had 4 platinum or Multi-platinum albums. When she left and was replaced by Mary Ramsey,their '97 LP was a flop,charting at #104. I'm not a 10,000 Maniacs fan,but if I'm going to see them,I want to see Merchant singing,not Mary Ramsey. Bread without David Gates? Nope,its not Bread,and don't even think about touring! Styx without Dennis DeYoung?
I'll pass on that too. Journey without Steve Perry? Hey,I had free tickets to go and see Journey with STEVE AUGERI and I passed!
And as somebody stated here earlier,at least the former members of CCR call themselves "Revisited" but I still wouldn't go see them. CCR was and Is,JOHN FOGERTY. America with just one member and a backing band? I wouldn't want to see one member trying to bill themselves as "America." If Dan Peek wants to tour as "The former member of America" thats a different story as it would be for Gerry and Dewey.
Kiss without Paul Stanley or Gene Simmons? Nope,not Kiss,even ifits Ace and Peter touring as Kiss. Don't call it that. (I should get an opinion and learn to express myself,right?)
Some bands were able to pull it off--Pink Floyd,Van Halen(not with Gary Cherone). 3 Dog Night? I'm partial to Chuck Negron too,but the other 2 have continued on with varying degrees of success. It really boils down to what YOU,"Joe Fan" wants to see. I'm more hardline with this topic. But I'll close with a quote that tommy Shaw gave to a music magazine a couple of years back,in reference to seeing Creedence Clearwater Revisited without John fogerty: "Hey,if you're willing to go along with it,there's entertainment to be had!"
To each his own,and just my 2 cents......

Message: 26453 Posted: Mon Feb 24 15:42:59 2003 By: JoanK
Subject: Sharkey's Song

Nancy: Like you I am also curious as to how Dan came up with the title of Sharkey's Song. I absolutely love the song. Could Sharkey be the name of another pooch? Maybe one of these days we'll find out.

Message: 26452 Posted: Mon Feb 24 15:02:39 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: CHOCOLATE Craving, This and That & Styx

isn't chocolate one of the four food groups?

I saw Styx w JY once and I was singularly unimpressed. I never cared much for JY's voice (IMHO he whines a lot) As I recall it was a wretched double bill. The cars opened for them. Now I like the cars studio work but as a live band they were BORING! They just mailed in their performanceno one moved from their spot at all. Made me wonder if they didn't have those doll stands attached to them ala Barbie! ( You know the little wire thingamabob that came with her in the early days so she would stand up?)
That was a loooong time ago, maybe I would like Styx better now Tommy Shaw is great and I have liked his work with outher people.

Message: 26451 Posted: Mon Feb 24 14:59:33 2003 By: Genevieve
Subject: Re: song tournament

YESSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And hi all!

Message: 26450 Posted: Mon Feb 24 14:51:16 2003 By: Mark
Subject: Re: "Original Members"

I don't have a problem with bands touring using the name as long as about 50 percent or more of the original talent that made the band is still there. Note I said 50 percent of the talent, not 50 percent of the members. In Three Dog Night's case I think Danny and Cory make up 50+ percent of the talent, so I don't have a problem with them touring as Three Dog Night, though they would be much better with Chuck but things change and life goes on. Of course there are some groups that depended so heavily on 1 or 2 performers that without that 1 or 2 they shouldn't use the name. Bread is one group in that category that comes to mind. Bread just isn't Bread without David Gates, I don't care if they had all the other orginal members, David so dominated that group that it just isn't the same without him. But David Gates could get a pick-up band and tour as Bread and it would probably work, since he was about 80 percent or more of the talent in that band.

Message: 26449 Posted: Mon Feb 24 14:30:40 2003 By: speechwriter
Subject: Re: "Original Members"

I don't know if Gerry called them "One Dog Lite" or not, but I like it.

Message: 26448 Posted: Mon Feb 24 14:27:56 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: Re: CHOCOLATE Craving, This and That & Styx

Nancy, all this talk of chocolate has me craving some good old HERSHEY, PA CHOCOLATE!!! Or maybe on such a cold day here a cup of hot chocolate with a few Hershey kisses thrown in. Still waiting to see if America adds a tour date for Chocolate Town. I hope so!!! They sound like great seats for IUP. Nancy, I hope you get to meet them this time. I haven't yet, but am still hoping to someday soon. I only ever got to meet one big-name performer and that was when I met Tommy Shaw from Styx about 20 years ago. It was in a very small venue near where I live, when he was a solo act. I had the opportunity to talk to him for a few minutes and get his autograph before his show. He was very nice and friendly. Tommy has always been my favorite member of Styx and I've been a big fan of the band since I was a kid and have seen them quite a few times live. I have to check out their new CD. Styx fits into this category of bands that tour without some of their original members. I haven't seen them without Dennis DeYoung, but I do have a live CD where Dennis is not with the band. The new guy, Lawrence, does a great job, but I do miss Dennis. I got the impression that he didn't want to tour, so the band has continued on as Styx without him. In their situation I do not have a problem with their continuing to use the name "Styx". The band like America has a couple of songwriters/lead singers resulting in a couple of styles blended into a classic sound for the band. While Dennis was a very key element of Styx, Tommy Shaw and James Young (JY) are so key to their sound also that it works for them. Of the old classic line-up of five, Tommy and JY are the only two left in the current band. Their original drummer, John Panozzo passed away about five years ago and his brother, bassist Chuck Panozzo, left to pursue other interests and evidently rejoins them on stage at times. Enough said about Styx on this America board, but as such a big fan of theirs I had to put more than my two cents in. Are there any other Styx fans out there and do you have their new CD, Cyclorama, yet? I'm anxious to get it.

Message: 26447 Posted: Mon Feb 24 14:06:09 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: "Original Members"

>>>If Corey Wells and Danny Hutton were honest, they'd bill themselves as Three Dog Night II or somesuch, just to be fair. Lots of folks, I'm sure, have turned up eager for "Dog" shows to hear Chuck Negron sing, say, "Easy to be Hard" only to find him MIA.<<<<
Didn't Gerry call them "One dog Lite?"

Message: 26446 Posted: Mon Feb 24 13:07:58 2003 By: msmith
Subject: song tournament

HAT TRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Message: 26445 Posted: Mon Feb 24 10:46:20 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: "Original Members" & Nancioooooooo

Nancio, At least you have an I-card connection. I have to wait for the public sale of IUP tickets on Wed. AM. I hope there's something decent left by then.

Message: 26444 Posted: Mon Feb 24 10:41:09 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Re: "Original Members" & Nancioooooooo

Hi Everyone :) ~~~~~ Of course it is snowing and blowing here big time... I can't think of a Monday since November that we haven't had this same Deja Vous!!!! ~~~ Nooo wonder I got a Craving for CHOCOLATE!!!!! ;) ~~~~ you're giving me the sweetest tabooooo, you're just tooo good for me ~~~ sing it Sade :)

Ooooooh Red ~~~ What a Bummer not getting to have my own personal 24x36 signed poster pic of YOU.... Surely you can find a way too get some more made up... I don't want to mess with the US Postal Marshall, in obtaining one of these for myself ~~~ thank you for your Meatloaf Two Outta Three ain't bad lyrics.... upon reading them this song came to my mind... ~~~ One is the loneliest number that you ever knew,Yes it's the saddest number that you'll ever know... One is the loneliest number..... Two can be as bad as One, it's the loneliest number since the number Oneeeee, Yeaaaaaaah, ~~~~ I keep hearing the song in my head, if I had more time I would post more of the lyrics... LOL!!! When it comes to wanting CHOCOLATE there ain't no settling for nothing else for sure! Hahahhahahahah!! :)

Hmmmm Regarding my tix for the IUP show... Yes my son did get my tix and get this the front row seat were already gone, and he even went to get my tix at 9 am when the place opened.... Sounds kinda fishy to me.... there must be alot of the professors or personal that grabbed first dibbs on these seats... He got me tix for the 8th row center floor seats.... he assured me they are good seats and said that I will have a clear view of the stage and I won't have to look up.... Wow ~~~ this is too much, I am getting excited thinking about getting the chance to experience another AMERICA High..... WOW!!!!! Now Maybe just Maybe if I keep on thinking about this, I will get the hankerin for Chocolate out of my mind!!!!

Hi Speech ~~ Regarding you asking how we would feel if AMERICA would end up becoming say either Gerry or Dewey and a band..... I sure hope that doesn't come to be.... I can accept them as AMERICA because not that much time lapse occured after they continued on with making new albums and touring.... I don't feel it would be right tho to continue to call them AMERICA if it ended up coming to be either Gerry or Dewey with a backup band.... I too loved Chuck Egron's part in 3 Dog Night I saw them in concert back in the early 70's and if I were to go see them now without him, it wouldn't work for me at all, Yes ~~ too many of their best songs were sung by him.... I have my Joy to the World LP out here, I was checking to see if the lyrics were listed on the inside sleeve... I haven't listened to this lp for years... I do have a couple of the songs from it on one of my 6 winamp playlist of songs.... but I don't have the song One, I am gonna have to find it soon.....I was trying to remember how the song "Play me Something Sweet" sounded.... Hmmmm my curiousity is getting the best of me on this song, I can't seem to remember it at all....

Have a good day all! Nancy :)

~~~~ And when she walked in the room after sooo many years, he looked up and saw her, he was standing at the crossroads, she was moving in slow motion, everything was the same except that everything was different, in that very moment everyone was silent,and everyone was friendly for the first time in years, everyone was smiling tho their pain was apparent... and the floor was wet and slippery with the tracks of their tears, and then I see someone standing at the side of the stage,not standing in the shadows, I seee her face, glowing in the darkness in her own angel ways, I have come to make you better, I have come to take your place, I have come to make you better, ~~~ sing it Stevie Nicks ~~~ Hmmmmm ~~~such curious lyrics this song has!

Message: 26443 Posted: Mon Feb 24 09:29:26 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Nanciooooooooo

Nancy - no, the only poster you will ever see of me will be the one hanging up at the nearest Post Office. Let us know about the America tickets at UIP, whether u got front row or not. We'll take the snow but not the cold. Here are some lyrics to get ur mind off chocolate.

Meatloaf - Two out of three aint bad

Baby we can talk all night
But that ain't getting us nowhere
I told you everything I possibly can
There's nothing left inside of here
And maybe you can cry all night
But that'll never change the way I feel
The snow is really piling up outside
I wish you wouldn't make me leave here
I poured it on and I poured it out
I tried to show you just how much I care
I'm tired of words and I'm too hoarse to shout
But you've been cold to me so long
I'm crying icicles instead of tears
And all I can do is keep on telling you
I want you
I need you
But there ain't no way
I'm ever gonna love you
Now don't be sad
'Cause two out of three ain't bad

Message: 26442 Posted: Mon Feb 24 07:56:28 2003 By: speechwriter
Subject: Re: "Original Members" (for Johnny)

Over time, I have come to grips with Gerry and Dewey carrying on the "America" name. What I think, in direct response to your question, Johnny, is that this kind of thing is situational.
I can live with Gerry and Dewey as America, but I'm not entirely comfortable with it, because I feel the REAL America ended when Dan left. That said, Dan was creatively one-third of a self-contained band. In other words, America wrote virtually all of its own songs, and also played and sang them. In fact, Dewey and Gerry's songs and voices tended to be those that gained the highest profile, and they're the ones that have become most identifiable with the group America for the masses.
By contrast, Three Dog Night wrote only a tiny fraction of its recorded material, relying on outside writers for the rest. This is a crucial distinction, because, in that situation, the voices become the group's most identifying feature, not the writing personalities.
Where Three Dog Night is concerned, Chuck Negron was inarguably the "voice" of Three Dog Night in terms of the band's highest profile body of work. "One," Joy to the World," "Easy to Be Hard," "Old Fashioned Love Song" and a clutch of others are generally regarded as the band's most identifiable, enduring works. Therefore, to have Chuck out of the band and still call it Three Dog Night seems, on balance, less honest than Gerry and Dewey continuing to call themselves America without Dan.
I know. I know. Lots of folks will look at this and say "Pretzel Logic." But, this is the way I tend to view these things.

Message: 26441 Posted: Mon Feb 24 07:39:37 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne Downunder

Sounds like another bunch of concert goers. JB does a great job of mixing songs in his set list from night to night, unlike someone else we all know. He'll change his encore songs left and right. Glad you enjoyed him, he's such an outstanding talent.
Have the V8 Supercars started racing yet? Can't wait to see them on the Speed channel over here.
The Eagles are about ready to soar to a city near me. I have saved my money diligently over the winter to be able to go. There's nothing better than an Eagles concert.

I've been around for you
I've been up and down for you
But I just can't get any relief
I've swallowed my pride for you
I've lived and lied for you
But you still make me feel like a thief

You got me stealin' your love away
'Cause you never give it
Peeling the years away
And we can't relive it
I make you laugh
And you make me cry
I believe it's time for me to fly

Time for me to Fly - REO Speedwagon

Message: 26440 Posted: Mon Feb 24 07:26:25 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Question that was asked about HOPE video

You're probably right Mo (that I answered the question on the live chat and not here). Hey, I'm well over 40 and have the right to forget, don't I????? My wife and kids tell me I forget things all the time (LOL). Thanks for reminding me.

Message: 26439 Posted: Mon Feb 24 07:25:18 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: "Original Members"

By the same token, because of the MIA status of Dan, shouldn't America be billed as Dewey & Gerry or Bunnell & Beckley or America's band? If there is at least one original member still in the group, then the name should still apply if need be. Speaking of 3 Dog Night, Easy to be Hard is the 1 song in the show that Chuck can never be replaced on. They just struggle on that song. Bring back Chuck I say.

How can people be so heartless
How can people be so cruel
Easy to be hard, easy to be cold

How can people have no feelings
How can they ignore their friends
Easy to be proud, easy to say no

Especially people who care about strangers
Who care about evil and social injustice
Do you only care about bleeding crowd
How about a needing friend, I need a friend

Easy to be Hard - 3 Dog Night

Message: 26438 Posted: Mon Feb 24 07:02:29 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: "Original Members"

By the same token, because of the MIA status of Dan, shouldn't America be billed as Dewey & Gerry or Bunnell & Beckley or America's band? If there is at least one original member still in the group, then the name should still apply if need be. Speaking of 3 Dog Night, Easy to be Hard is the 1 song in the show that Chuck can never be replaced on. They just struggle on that song. Bring back Chuck I say.

How can people be so heartless
How can people be so cruel
Easy to be hard, easy to be cold

How can people have no feelings
How can they ignore their friends
Easy to be proud, easy to say no

Especially people who care about strangers
Who care about evil and social injustice
Do you only care about bleeding crowd
How about a needing friend, I need a friend

Easy to be Hard - 3 Dog Night

Message: 26437 Posted: Mon Feb 24 06:46:03 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: "Original Members"

<<If Corey Wells and Danny Hutton were honest, they'd bill themselves as Three Dog Night II or somesuch, just to be fair.>>

Speech ~ That's an interesting thought. I'm not trying to disagree or agree, but with this line of thinking, then would you suggest that Gerry and Dewey bill themselves as "AMERICA II"? Just curious.

Message: 26436 Posted: Mon Feb 24 06:28:04 2003 By: speechwriter
Subject: Re: "Original Members"

Like everything else, there is a limit.

If, by some happenstance, Gerry and Dewey were to end their partnership and Gerry, say, went around the country with a pick-up band playing "Tin Man" and "Ventura Highway" and calling it America, how do you feel about that?

One way to deal with this kind of thing is, novelty of novelties, truth ( as in 'truth in advertising.')

Doug Clifford and Stu Cook may be, in my eyes, doing a disservice to the great Creedence legacy by gigging around the world doing Creedence tunes with an ex-Cars guitarist and a facsimile singer, but at least they're calling it "Creedence Clearwater Revisited."

Same for guitarist Joey Molland of Badfinger. He still plays "Baby Blue" and "No Matter What," etc., but he bills his band as "Joey Molland's Badfinger."

If Corey Wells and Danny Hutton were honest, they'd bill themselves as Three Dog Night II or somesuch, just to be fair. Lots of folks, I'm sure, have turned up eager for "Dog" shows to hear Chuck Negron sing, say, "Easy to be Hard" only to find him MIA.

As bedrock members of these legendary pop groups, I can't argue that these guys have a right to continue earning a living by trading on the massive followings they helped build.

However, there is a obligation, I think, to be honest about the product they're selling.

Anyway, back to my first question. What do folks think about either Gerry or Dewey going it alone, with a pick-up band, touring and/or recording and calling it America?

I, for one, think it would transcend that "limit" I spoke of earlier.

Message: 26435 Posted: Mon Feb 24 05:17:20 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: Re: How is Dewey Doing?

SteveL, thank you for your post regarding Dewey. It is reassuring to know that you have been in contact with him and that he hasn't made you aware of any problems regarding his recovery.

Message: 26434 Posted: Sun Feb 23 21:42:02 2003 By: Bruce David Martin
Subject: "Original Members"

I want to add my three cents to the recent discussion of bands touring without all the original members.  First off, I do agree that if there are NO original members, then the band shouldn't be using the name. But it seems that, as has been widely covered in the media, there are groups touring that fall into that category simply because they or their manager own the group's name.  Now let's talk about The Doors. Mr. Steve Orchard recently posted on this subject, and Steve, I couldn't disagree with you more. I recently saw The Doors on The Tonight Show (hosted by Jay Leno, not the original host). They did "Light My Fire" and they were great!  Robby Krieger and Ray Manzarek (two out of four of the original members) were there. John Densmore, the original drummer, was not there (he was replaced, and he dosn't think that Krieger and Manzarek should be using the name The Doors. Well, why not?  Robby Krieger was the primary writer of "Light My Fire". Does anyone actually believe that there is a person on earth who would be expecting Jim Morrison to be singing on the latest Doors tour? But just because Morrison is gone, that doesn't mean that Doors fans can't still enjoy the music. In the case of members of bands leaving, that's their tough luck if the remaining members still use the name. A couple of examples come to mind. Natalie Merchant left 10,000 Maniacs and was replaced. Well, guess what? The band still exists! And they're called 10,000 Maniacs. David Byrne left Talking Heads, then had the nerve to sue the band for using the name. Hey, HE left, so too bad! I've seen Orleans ("Dance With Me/Still the One") with and without John Hall. But Larry Hoppen, "the voice of Orleans" was there wailing away and sounded great. When AMERICA began, there were three members. A few years later, one of them left. But now, 25 years later, AMERICA, a duo most of their lives, still rocks our world without Mr Peek. Yes...without all the original members!

Message: 26433 Posted: Sun Feb 23 21:03:03 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Just a Little More !!!

Yep It's Me Again ~~
Ooooooh such a Nice Job N'Sync did singing a medley of the Bee Gee's songs.... Such a Nice Tribute to Maurice.... Barry & Robin presented their Grammy statue to Maurice's Wife, Son & Daughter.... How hard this must have been for them.... Such a Happy & Sad Occasion.... for sure!

Oooh Bones ~~ I was in shock when I read your post about your 24x36 poster pic.... Wow soo we should be able to get to see this sooon.... Hmmmmm regarding me having a poster of Bobby Sherman on my bedroom wall...... Nope I didn't have a poster of him! ~~~ I sure did love my Hat Trick & Harbor Posters tho :) ~~ Oh one more thing Bones will you be sure and Sign my poster pic! ~~ Thanks :)

Hmmmm Red ~~ When can we expect your 24x36 poster pic to be ready????? The weather is on here... Looks like we are in for a wicked night and week ahead... the winds here are still howling & the temps are dropping.... and then possibly 1to3 ins. of snow tomorrow.. I wish I could change the pattern of the weather belt... so it would start sending the rain and snow your way..... You wouldn't Mind that too much would you????

Hi there Matt ~~~ Nice to hear from you.... I hope all is coming along well with Your new CD ~~~ Hmmm could you please refresh us on what the name of your band was? ~~~ Mel from Fla. was wondering about this, she wanted to ask the young teens group that she volunteers for. ~~~~ this was life and it was gooood , and it wassss goooood, and it was gooooood.... and it was gooooooood, and it wassss gooooooood ~~~ sing it Matt :)

Cheers Goanna ~~~ Nice to hear from you, thanks for your well wishes...

Hi Robyn ~~ I second your hoping that David Dickey would rejoing them for some shows....after watching the Central Park Live DVD.... I have a Hankerin to hear them play together again....

Hey Mo & Nina ~~~ Only 5 more days..... WOW!!! 36 more days for me to see them at IUP... time to get the tickets tho ~~~ My son is getting my tix tomorrow ~~ I sure hope my son gets me good seats...

Hey there Jimmmm(bob) ~~ How were the Cups Races????

Hi there DanC ~~~ Hmmmm just wanted to say Hi :) ~~ are you still listening to your Homecoming DVD ~~~ it is sooooo GOOD isn't it??? :)

Hi PatB ~~~ Hmmmm Homecoming ~~ The Good Old Trio Days.... I sure loved them from the start... I do think that in this scenerio tho.... is it a different outcome... Gerry & Dewey have worked hard and moved on as AMERICA the Duo, I will always love all of their musical accomplishments.... as well as Dans Solo efforts, I think we have the best of the trio, duo and solo..... Let's enjoy it for sure! :)

Nitey Nite all! Nancy :) ~~~ Ooooh my the news here is ending with a look at the Chocolate Lovers fundraising event for the Childrens Miracle Network..... WOW!! Why didn't I know about this yesterday... I would have loved to check it out big time.... and guess what song they chose to play while showing all of these delectable, mouthwatering delights.... ~~~~ Yummy Yummy Yummy I got Love in My Tummy, Love is such a sweet thing, I coming back for More..... too much.... now I will be dreamin of Chocolate all night long! :)

Message: 26432 Posted: Sun Feb 23 20:30:57 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: Question that was asked about HOPE video

<<You're right, Matt. It's not you and it's not Joe. I answered that question in a post about a week or two ago. It's an actor.>>
Steve L., I think you may have said that in the Live Chat on Wed. rather than in a chat folder post. Which means that a lot of mystery questions have been answered lately but one remains, "Whaddup wid Brad?"

Message: 26431 Posted: Sun Feb 23 20:24:05 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Question that was asked about HOPE video

lol I would hope that Matt would know it was not he! Can you pinpoint the post Steve so we can reference it? Thank Steve. The kid playing Dewey looks a lot like him too!

Message: 26430 Posted: Sun Feb 23 20:00:22 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Question that was asked about HOPE video

You're right, Matt. It's not you and it's not Joe. I answered that question in a post about a week or two ago. It's an actor.

Message: 26429 Posted: Sun Feb 23 19:52:50 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: How is Dewey Doing?

I believe that Dewey is doing quite well. I've received a couple of messages from him recently and he hasn't made me aware of any problems so I believe that's good news.

Message: 26428 Posted: Sun Feb 23 17:38:00 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Re: Special programme ~~JB Down Under & Moondance & alittle more!

Hi there Everyone :) ~~~~~ Well another windy, snowy, blustery ooooooh sooo cold Sunday.... It is 8pm here and the Grammy's is just coming on.... Wow Paul Simon & Art Garfunkel are singing Sounds of Silence... I have a million goosebumps over me, wow hearing this song takes me back to my teenage days babysitting at my aunts... I would listen to this album over and over after I got the kids to bed for the night..... WOW sooo many years ago! ~~ Nice to see them performing this together! :)

Ciao Bruno ~~ Thanks for telling us about this Neat radio announcement about AMERICA, yes I understood that the Nice comment made was by Radio Italy, I loved the list of songs that were included on this special....

Cheers Holiday ~~ Thanks soo much for telling us all about the JB show... I love it you got to hear "Somebody's Baby" and yes ooh yes that great encore combo of Load Out\Stay... I got the chills picturing this..... Wow Running on Empty such a classic for sure! The show setting sounded sooo inviting and welcoming too.... JB had to be smiling! Nice ~~ Did he sing Alive in the East, That Girl Could Sing or Doctor My Eyes????

Cheers Margaret & Hi SteveO ~~~ Hmmm, thanks for the interesting info about the Little River Band, my cousin saw them in a show with Kansas last August here in PA, but she really didn't seem to notice it wasn't the real members.... this talk about Musical Ripoffs, brings Journey isn't really Journey without Steve Perry..... for sure.... My sister saw Chicago in concert back in the 80's and she told me that it wasn't that good seeing them, because they didn't do alot of their popular songs... they seemed to do more of the instrumental ones.... sooo I guess this could apply to Chicago without Peter Cetera.... and I am wondering what Fleetwood Macs new CD release will sound like without Christine McVee.... Hmmm should be Interesting to hear! :)

Hey there Reddddddd ~~~ Faith Hill is on the Grammy's now singing "Cry" Oooh my I hate what they dressed her up like, she is soo pretty on her own, they always make her up too much for the Grammy's.... WOW~~~ that is soooo neat you hearing Moondance on a Infinity car commercial... wow they got good taste don't they... should sell some cars for them don't you think :) ~~ I was gonna call into Dick Bartley's solid gold saturday night show last night and request he play Moondance ~~~ and thank you for posting the lyrics to that other oooooooh soooooo nice song of his.... I just love that one too....

Hmmm ~~~ Sooo have any of you checked out the song tourny standings..... Hat Trick is excelling....... I love Hat Trick , and I love Young Moon..... why can't there be a tie ??????? I am Pouting big time here :( ~~~ Hmmmm ~~ Dewey Ooooooh Dewey would you please consider singing Young Moon at the shows this year.... I will be at the IUP show on April 1st..... I would love to hear you sing it.... Think about it Okay?????? Thanks! ~~~~ Hey JB hurry and come back to the States..... I would love to hear you perform Hat Trick at the show too...... WOW what an AWESOME treat both of these would be for sure....

WOW Iam loving this Vanessa Carlton is singing that ooh sooo great song of her's 10,000 Miles.... she is sooooooo pretty, and I sing this song with her every time I hear it... ~~~ If I would fall into the sky, do you think time would pass me by..... I would walk 10,000 miles if I could just see you tonight..... ooooooh wow guess who is on now.... John Mayer... and he is singing Your Body is a Wonderland.... too much I gotta listen to him... BRB :) wow he is soo good on the guitar... now James T is singing... Rock-a-bye Sweet Baby James ~~~ Ooooh Gerry & Dewey should be on here for sure..... I could handle that for sure.... Okay I know I am getting carried away here.... I guess you can all tell how much I love watching the Grammy's ...... LOL!!!!!!

Good Night All ~~~ Music Nut Nancy :)

P.S. Oh and Alan nice to hear about Kitty... now that is what I call a dedicated vetrinarian for sure... taking car of kity and not charging for this..... Nice :)

Hmmmmmmmm ~~ I am trying to think what Lyrics I want to close my post with.... ~~~~ Oh well this came to my mind just now.... soo here goes ~~~~~ A little bit of this, A little bit of that, alittle bit of laughs, alittle bit of vain... its all in my bet, it's all in the Game of Love.... ~~ Sing it Michelle Branche ~~ Play it Santana :)

Message: 26427 Posted: Sun Feb 23 14:52:38 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Question that was asked about HOPE video

Thanks mB!

Message: 26426 Posted: Sun Feb 23 13:56:46 2003 By: mBluLight
Subject: Re: Question that was asked about HOPE video

the child in question is definitley not me, and unless joe would have been exceedingly tall for his age, not him either... (at least to the best of my knowledge, for what it's worth...)



Message: 26425 Posted: Sun Feb 23 13:18:58 2003 By: bruno
Subject: special programme for America

Hi Cathy Rink
In Italy Radio often transmit music of America; I specificy that comment about America that I reported in my message ( A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF FOLK ROCK MUSIC WITH PRECIOUS HARMONY is not mine but is comment of speaker of important Radio Capital in special programme for music of America; programme was roughly in the last month).
In Italy America are in consideration as a very great band with affection and enormus nostalgia; radio transmit especially classic songs of America (A Horse..., Ventura Highway, I need you, You can do magic,ecc.. and Survival that in Italy was a great success)
Hi Ciao

Message: 26424 Posted: Sun Feb 23 12:47:28 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Question that was asked about HOPE video

I don't think it's Joe either. The video was made several years ago and Joe wouldn't have been that old. The kid looks to be the age of Joe now. Anyone know for sure?

Message: 26423 Posted: Sun Feb 23 11:11:48 2003 By: Mary Henderson
Subject: Question that was asked about HOPE video

Hi,All, I remember the question being asked about the little boy in the "HOPE" video in Wednesday's chat. He is Gerry's youngest son. He was with them at a couple of their concerts and came out at the end to be onstage with everyone, also a few other children. I was so glad to see him in this video. I really love it. Take care. Mary Henderson

Message: 26422 Posted: Sun Feb 23 10:10:36 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne Downunder

Thanks for the review. Having seen Jackson a handful of times over the years, I know what you mean. He really holds the audience in his hands. I picked up a copy of "Running on Empty" I don't know where my cd went if I had one to begin with. I was struck with how good it sounded, clean and well balanced. The fact that you can hear the stick snap in "You love the Thunder" is proof of the clarity.

Regarding Warren Zevon. He has inoperable lung cancer Buy his new cd "My ride's here" or the wonderful Rhino compilation "Genius" (He certainly is!)

Message: 26421 Posted: Sun Feb 23 09:51:02 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: Musical Ripoffs

Well if the Doors can tour without Jim Morrison, I suppose there's still hope for a Beatles reunion!

Message: 26420 Posted: Sun Feb 23 09:48:18 2003 By: Pat B.
Subject: Re: Musical Ripoffs

<<"It's not the News without Huey Lewis, it's not the Pips without Gladys Knight. It's not the Doors without Jim Morrison.">>

It's not America without Dan Peek.

Message: 26419 Posted: Sun Feb 23 08:04:21 2003 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: Musical Ripoffs

I've been reading the info regarding the Little River Band. They are not the only band out there thats touring with non-original members. To be sure,if you go and see the Shorrock,Birtles & Gobles show,you are getting the real thing. The current incarnation of the LRB released a Live LP a year and a half ago. It was Ok,but it was not the real thing. Please be forewarned that alot of "classic" bands are touring,but often times are missing key members. The Doors situation is ridiculous! They should at least change the name. Everybody knows that Jim Morrison was the main personality in that band anyways,and thats why most people went to see the Doors. Foghat is releasing a new LP in March but they have only 2 members from their original first 4 LP's--1 from the hitmaking days. The rock and roll landscape is littered with the remnants of bands that try to soldier on,usually all in the name of making a buck. Don't shortchange yourself! If you care enough to pay and go see a band you like,try & find out who's in the band. "Goldmine" magazine reports in their current issue about more "Musical Ripoffs" and its certainly something I try & spread the word about too. I've watched more shows than I care to from over the years with groups who have been patch-worked together,but try & keep the original name. A musician friend told me last week,"Its not the News without Huey Lewis,its not the Pips without Gladys Knight. Its not the Doors without Jim Morrison."

Message: 26418 Posted: Sun Feb 23 07:36:53 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: How is Dewey Doing?

Steve L, I'm thinking of Dewey a lot and hope that his recovery is going well. If you talk to the band would you please ask about Dewey and let us know how he is. I'm sure everyone would appreciate an update. Thank you. Cathy

Message: 26417 Posted: Sun Feb 23 07:31:17 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: special programme for America

Hi Bruno! That is so nice that there was a special program for America in Italy. Thank you for telling us about it.

Message: 26416 Posted: Sun Feb 23 07:30:14 2003 By: holiday
Subject: Jackson Browne Downunder

It was a crystal clear and calm night here in Perth and under the stars at Kings Park looking down on our fair city, 7,000 people rocked with Jackson Browne. "Fountain Of Sorrow" was the third number (after "Somebody's Baby" and "The Night Inside Me") and he had the audience in his hands in the natural amphitheatre on the rolling lawns under the spreading eucalypts. He was most gracious and thankful for the very warm welcome. He said he really felt like he was home on our West Coast. Apparently, he also has a son living in Sydney and he spends some time there whenever he can to catch up.

The stage was set up over an ornamental lake and it wasn't long before it was filled with the dancing crowd, despite the best efforts of the security guards!! By the end of the night, everyone was on their feet or in the pond, for "Running On Empty", the inevitable "Load Out" and "Stay" encore and then a special moment. The crowd wanted a second encore and Jackson returned with a dedication to Warren Zevon who, I believe is quite ill. He dedicated "For A Rocker" to Warren and closed out a special evening here.

Hi Margaret - yes, you were right we did get something special - almost exactly a year ago it was America Downunder, this year JB - maybe America should come back in 2004.

Message: 26415 Posted: Sun Feb 23 07:27:08 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Brad update?

I haven't been told anything yet, but I'll keep checking.

Message: 26414 Posted: Sun Feb 23 05:56:27 2003 By: bruno
Subject: special programme for America

Very very important national radio of Italy, Radio Capital, broadcasted in recent time spcial programme with dedication to America;
this is the list of songs that radio transimitted:
tin man
ventura highway
california dreamin
muskrate love
daisy jane
never be lonely
i need you
amber cascades
sergeant darkness
to each his own
another try
you can do magic
sister golden hair
a horse with no name.
Ciao Hi ALL

Message: 26413 Posted: Sat Feb 22 22:38:33 2003 By: Joe B
Subject: Brad update?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Message: 26412 Posted: Sat Feb 22 21:43:36 2003 By: Margaret
Subject: Re:Margaritaville

Red, I agree with you about the encore and anticipated it. The backup singer was on percussion, did look "hippie" and I think her name was Katherine, although the spelling could be different.
Now some information about Little River Band. Recently there was a court case here in which the founding members of LRB tried to gain the right to use that name again. Over a period of time, as band members left and were replaced, they lost the rights to the name because someone who joined later acquired the rights. Well the court case went against the original members. So the band that is regularly touring the US does not include the original bandmembers.
We saw them earlier this summer and they were great. After the first song, Glenn Shorrock said we are not the Little River Band, but we sure sound like them. They offered very cheap tickets to the people who attended that night for a concert a couple of days later in a small jazz club. It was filmed for promotion of a proposed US tour. So if you want to hear the original singers and songwriters, they will probably be called Shorrock, Birtles and Goble .

Message: 26411 Posted: Sat Feb 22 08:11:48 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Margaritaville, Moondance, etc

Margaret - nice to hear JB did Loadout/Stay & Dr My Eyes at the concert in Australia. Loadout/Stay is about the most perfect encore song for a performer to do. Sucks you in on the lyrics and then bam, Stay takes over with the high voices. Was wondering who his backup singers were? Did he have the lady that looks like she's from the Hippie days with the long straight hair? She is good whoever she is. Little River Band is to be in Cripple Creek, Colorado this July, am hoping to attend.

Nancy - guess what? Moondance is being used in a tv commercial for Infinity autos. How about that? Old Van will make some money off of that. Got ur tix for America in Indiana yet? Remember, dead center near the front for you.:):):)

For all of you noreasterners out there, take a look at the lineup for the Westbury, NY Music Fair. Such an interesting array of performers. Blood, Sweat & Tears with Chuck Negron(3 Dog Night), Little River Band, Blue Oyster Cult & Foghat, Huey Lewis, and the Doobie Bros. There'll be a hot time in the old town 2nite.

Until next time.

Brown Eyed Girl
Van Morrison
Words and music by Van Morrison

Hey where did we go,
Days when the rains came
Down in the hollow,
Playin' a new game,
Laughing and a running hey, hey
Skipping and a jumping
In the misty morning fog with
Our hearts a thumpin' and you
My brown eyed girl,
You my brown eyed girl.

Message: 26410 Posted: Sat Feb 22 05:16:41 2003 By: Goanna
Subject: Hi

Hi Guys & Ladies,,,

have been off the air for a while.....
hope your all keeping safe.....

Am trying to catch up with the last couple of months of chat,
very interesting topics, it's great to read some of your thoughts.

take care


Message: 26409 Posted: Fri Feb 21 21:15:11 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Kitty/Brad update

Glad to hear Kitty is hanging in there! and way to go for the caring Vet!
Re Brad no official word from the band. Time to start some wild rumors I suppose. I think he joined a cult after the band threatened to put Muskrat Love back in the playlist! ( Hey if they do, will they bring back David Dickey??? one can only hope!)
Seriously Brad has played bass with them for 20 years. Why no word on his departure? We DID notice!

Message: 26408 Posted: Fri Feb 21 19:03:40 2003 By: Alan
Subject: Kitty/Brad update

Hello all,

just got back from spending a few days in Florida visiting my best friend. Boy was it great to get away from the deep freeze here in Maine! Was also glad to see warmer temps up here upon return. According to Dan, Kitty is about the same, no worse, but no improvement, either. I told him these things can take time and to not get discouraged. The good news is the vet has offered to keep Kitty for as long as it takes for her to heal (estimated up to 6 weeks) AT NO CHARGE!!! She says she really likes the cat and that's why she is doing it. Dan goes to visit Kitty as often as he can.

Just had a chance to skim all the posts quickly and unless I missed something it looks as though there is still no official word on Brad Palmer (in fact, not even any further speculation). Did I miss something?


Message: 26407 Posted: Fri Feb 21 18:44:07 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: Re: Gerry's Fan Club and Poster Boys

Gerry Gerry Gerry~~~~Dewey Dewey Dewey~~~Red Oak Red Oak Red Oak~~~Bones Bones Bones~~~Timothy Timothy Timothy (I like him too, Nancy)~~~George Harrison George Harrison George Harrison~~~Tommy Shaw Tommy Shaw Tommy Shaw~~~Wow poster guys on the bedroom wall, does that bring back memories. I remember my teenybop years when I had posters of David Cassidy and my sister had posters of Donny Osmond all over our bedroom wall. Bones, I think we've outgrown that although we're still crazy about the guys and still love to look at pictures of them or better yet to see them in person. I have to laugh because a friend of mine who's crazy about Bruce Springsteen was teasing me today at work. She e-mailed some pictures to me of beautiful paintings and while showing me how to put them on my computer at work as wallpaper I put one on of a picture of Gerry Gerry Gerry and set it as my wallpaper. She was teasing me and told me to take "lover boy" off my screen so that she could help me with the other pictures.~~~By the way, the web site with some beautiful paintings that you can download for free is, in between putting some of those paintings as wallpaper once in a while, just for fun I'll put a "lover boy" on my pc.~~~It's fun to be a female fan, the music and the guys.

Message: 26406 Posted: Fri Feb 21 18:11:17 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: Just a Little Bit of this and a Little Bit of That ~~

Correction, Bones, David Cassidy...whose song can now be heard on a Cheerios commercial...I Think I Love You. Strange the things that happen if you hang around long enough to see it. What's next, McFly as Willard or Ferris Bueller as Prof. Harold Hill? Crazy, just crazy.

Message: 26405 Posted: Fri Feb 21 17:22:33 2003 By: Bones
Subject: Re: Just a Little Bit of this and a Little Bit of That ~~

Nancy, the 24" x 36" wall posters of myself should be ready sometime next week. I'll bet you and Mo still have a poster or two of Bobby Sherman still hung up on the bedroom wall.

Message: 26404 Posted: Fri Feb 21 00:16:44 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Just a Little Bit of this and a Little Bit of That ~~

Hi Everyone ~~~~ Yes it is very late here.... (Stretchhhhhh) I just woke up and I gotta post before I head back to my Dreammmmmmms ~~~ Thank the morning for bringing you, hope you never turn your head and run, and thank the sun for shining too, Hope the darkness never comes again, what it does to meeeeee, isn't good to seeee, You say that Fortune brought you sailing across the sea, I don't believe youuu, I don't see how it's true.... I think my Dreamin brought you hereeee, and if I wake tomorrow will you still be near ~~~~ Once a Miser twice a son, three's the devil, four's alot of fun, I'm for livin one and allllll, start a battle, who's the first to fall, Hope it isn't meeee, have to wait and seeeeee ~~~ Yes Gerry is singing this great song in my earphones.... Take it from here Gerry :) :) Sergeant Darkness ~~ WOW!!!! Thanks I just had to sing some of it!!!

Hmmmm ~~~~ We had a nice day here in PA ~~ I think the Sun did Shine most of the day..... My Sister & I went Shopping (Wow thanks to those extended President's Day Sales ~~ I got some really good deals :) :) :) ~~~ My friend Brian the DJ played Sister Golden Hair on the radio just as we arrived at the Staples Parking Lot... ( I swear he reads my mind sometimes ~~ All I gotta do is think ~~ Hmm I wish Brian would play one of my AMERICA songs and sure enough he does ! (it has even been the song I had in mind too at times) ~~ How about that!!! :) ~~ It was nice to just get away for the day! As we were on our way home.... The Sun had just set, and what an AWESOME color display along the skyline, (Darn I gotta start carrying a Disposable camera around with me ~~ what a neat pic this would have been) ;)

Cathy, Vic & Johnny ~~~ Thanks for your replies to my tourny proposal.... I still would love for there to be a Tie... Yes Vic I know they are both AMERICA songs ~~ BUT ~~ I Lvoe ;) Both of these songs in different ways... and it is WAAAAAAY tooo HARD to PICK JUST ONE of THEM ~~~ OUCH!!! ~~~~~ Romeo is Bleeding, can't hold on forever, Romeo is Bleeding hurting for himself..... romeo is bleeding, while you die for love, you can't imagine what you don't know, so here I am how'd I get so much love led by my heart and ADDICTED to the THRILL ~~~ Sing it Hall & Oates :) :) :) ~~~ Hmmm Johnny sooo you say Go All The Way ~~~~ Tooo Hard to pick just 1 of them for sure~~~ Yes Cathy they are all Favorite Songs ~~ but it is very interesting that it came down to these 2 Unique Songs! ~~~ Sorry Windwave ~~ I have been reconsidering my final vote (as I told you I would in Live Chat) ~~ Hmmm My Heart Strings are still Pulling me Towards (You Know Which One :) ~~ Sorry! I guess it is just the Fascination, Celebration, Invitation & Elevation the Combination & Determination of it Allllllll ~~~ WOW!!!!!! :)

Hey Lass ~~ I didn't go through Binghamton, but I did come close to it... I saw lots of big green road signs with it on. ~~ Looks as tho some Ice may be heading your way in the next few days ~~ I hope the Weatherman is wrong!

Hmmmm ~~ Just wanted to say How Much Fun the Live Chat was the Other Night!!!! It was nice seeing more Familiar names then Alias names.... Quite Interesting for sure.... Nice that you stopped in to say a quick Hi Steve L..... Hey Mary ~~ sooo nice to see you there again ~~ and to find you posting.... Mo & I wrapped it up again.... we both kinda pooped out at the same time LOL!!!! Hey Beth that great love song that Gerry sings just for you is on in my headphones now..... always wanna be your one and only ~~ Never be Lonely ~~~ here in the middle of now and ever, I finally found where I belong, I could go on like this forever, looking at youuuu ~~~~ WOW ~~ I am glad that Steve answered your What do I have question! Hmmm I think I may have to try and find this King Biscuit 95 concert cd.... I do recall SteveO telling me he really liked this alot too.....

Thanks Mark (cfhere) for sharing that grammy trivia question with us.... Neat... I do remember Debbie Gibson (she is Pat Boone's & Rita Clooney's daughter) she had just a couple of released songs or was it just one ~~~ hmmm with the word Dream in it... I know this song.... I gotta keep playing it in my head... it will come back to me for sure..... AHA ~~~ "Only in My Dreams" was the name of the song she was more known for.... Nice that AMERICA is listed as the 1st choice..... I really enjoy watching the Grammy Awards ~~~ so that is where I will be Sunday evening watching, and singing alot of my ooooh sooo favorite songs! Hmmmm I am wondering if Cheryl Crow & Kid Rock will sing their song "Picture" ~~ I must say I am not a Fan of Kid Rock's at all, but Cheryl has brought out a side of him that is kinda nice... I too wonder if Avriel Levigne will sing her new song "I Don't Know Who You Are ~~ But I'm With You ~~~~ and for sure I hope Michelle Branche & Santana perform my favorite song too ~~ You all know the one I mean ~~ with those oooh soo familiar lyrics Nice :)

Ooooooh Bones ~~~ maybe we should form a fan club for you as well ~~ Bones Bones Bones ~~~~~

Okay these big brown eyes of mine are getting soooo Sleepy soo it is off to my Dreams again ~~ as Jeff B and Dan sings on his GM cd ~~~ Carry On ~~~~~ One last thing ( Speech ~~ Nice to hear you got to give the GM some close listening... I too wasn't too fond of it at first... but the more I listened to the songs... a little touch of this and a little touch of the oldddddd days did shine through... Keep on enjoying all this great music.... Have you heard any more on a New CD release from Dan F ????? Nitey Nite All! Nice Dreams! NightOwl Nancy :)

~~~~ I live my live my life, I live it sloooowly, and I take my time, I'm in no hurrrrrry yeaaaah, I'm living the I could, then I would surely, I would Dannnnnce with a total Stranger, and hold him in my arms.... Hellll there could be no danger , if I'd open up, cause when the crying starts, If I try for Happiness maybe that would make me feel better.... I can't change my ideas, I can't lose my Desires, if I try for Happiness ~~~ I'd be a Newborn Friend for the world ~~~ Sing it SEAL ~~~ I love this song sooo much! ;)

Message: 26403 Posted: Thu Feb 20 22:50:19 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Re: Gerry's Fan Club

RedOak RedOak RedOak ~~~~ Gerry Gerry Gerry ~~~~ Dewey Dewey Dewey ~~~ Timothy Timothy Timothy ~~~~ :) :) :)

Message: 26402 Posted: Thu Feb 20 20:54:57 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: Gerry's Fan Club

RedOak RedOak RedOak!!!!!

Message: 26401 Posted: Thu Feb 20 17:22:34 2003 By: Bones
Subject: Re: Gerry's Fan Club

I'm in favor of a "REDOAK" fan club.

Message: 26400 Posted: Thu Feb 20 17:03:58 2003 By: cfhere
Subject: Grammy Awards Trivia

In today's New York Post, there was a 32 page insert about this Sunday's grammy awards in New York at Madison Square Garden. There was a page of grammy trivia, and question 11 was:

Which of the following has not won a best new artist Grammy?

a. America
b. Beatles
c. Debby Boone
d. Pablo Picasso

The answer was C.


Message: 26399 Posted: Thu Feb 20 16:12:15 2003 By: Lass
Subject: Re: Danae's suggestion

Mary~ I have to agree with you...I vote for DEWEY, DEWEY, DEWEY too!!

Message: 26398 Posted: Thu Feb 20 15:11:46 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: What Have I Got?

It sounds like a re-release of King Biscuit's 1995 album titled America In Concert. It was recorded at the Blossom Music Center in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, on September 4, 1982 so it fits the time frame. It includes all of the songs that you mentioned and a few others. Here's a link to the album information so you can read about it.

Message: 26397 Posted: Thu Feb 20 15:05:31 2003 By: Mary Henderson
Subject: Danae's suggestion

Sounds great. But let's do it for DEWEY,DEWEY,DEWEY,too.They are both so fantastic. Can't have one without the other. Thay are soooo good!!!!!

Message: 26396 Posted: Thu Feb 20 15:00:33 2003 By: Beth
Subject: Re: Concert List Update

Thanks Steve!! Oooooh! Maybe I'll get to the Saint Paul Show on May 26!! Anybody else??

Message: 26395 Posted: Thu Feb 20 14:53:22 2003 By: Beth
Subject: Re: Gerry's Fan Club

I love that idea, Danae! Gerry is my first love, but, I'd have to join Dewey's fan club, too! When I was first a fan of America, I planned on growing up to marry Gerry....seeing as he was singing love songs just to me....!

Message: 26394 Posted: Thu Feb 20 14:50:40 2003 By: Beth
Subject: What Have I Got?

I brought this up at our live chat last night but we were pretty busy and there were lots of folks, nobody placed it...I picked up a Live America Cd last weekend. It says "All Songs copywrite 1995 Pet Rock Records. This compliation copywrite 2000 EMI-Capital Music" but I'm thinking it must be earlier than either of these dates. This cd has no liner notes, zero info. Tracks are (in order) Tin Man, Ventura Hwy, I Need You, CA Dreamin', Sandman (awesome licks on intro!), Daisy Jane, Never Be Lonely (the reason I bought it!), You Can Do Magic, Sister Golden Hair, and of course, Horse.

Cover shows live shot with Gerry (Long hair, big tinted specs), Dewey (with his short beard), and Dan (also with long hair). Guys are all wearing sport jackets. Photo is black & white.

Can anyone enlighten me? Gerry says, during the intro to I Need You, "This is a song I wrote, 12 years ago, from our first album" So wouldn't that put us in the early 80's time frame??

I'm interested in knowing when/where this jewel comes from. I love Never Be Lonely done live!

Message: 26393 Posted: Thu Feb 20 12:04:29 2003 By: Danae
Subject: Gerry's Fan Club

I got an idea today. I read Mo's message, where she used -as usual- "Gerry, Gerry, Gerry". I think all the ladies here must found a fan club for our dear Gerry! What's your opinion?
(Don't laugh after reading that message, please!)

Message: 26392 Posted: Thu Feb 20 04:17:52 2003 By: Margaret
Subject: Re: Summer Sydney Shows (red oak)

Red, Jackson Browne did sing Barricades of Heaven, Culver Moon (with explanation that I already knew because I had read it here!) and Load Out/Stay (that was the encore with Doctor My Eyes). There was a local support act for about 35 minutes followed by an intermission. JB started about 9 and finished at 11.15. We really enjoyed the show.
In a small venue in another part of Sydney, on the same night, 2000 fans saw the Rolling Stones for $A60, a bit more than half that in $US. The roads were closed to traffic because there were so many people hanging around trying to hear the show. On the TV News, it looked like a huge street party with everyone singing along. The Stones do the big and very expensive shows this weekend with ticket prices of $A330 and $A150.
This has been a very good summer for concerts. Perhaps the improved exchange rate has encouraged more promoters to bring acts our way.
James Taylor was excellent. People are still talking about his shows.

Message: 26391 Posted: Wed Feb 19 20:39:29 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Ostrich, Red, Nancy, Johnny

<<Johnny, so you think that there will be an eclips, right?>>

Right-on, Vic! "e"-clips... good one on your part. :0)

It's "lightning" and not "lightening", right, fellow live chatters?

Message: 26390 Posted: Wed Feb 19 20:08:53 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Concert List Update

Here's a list of new additions to the concert list:

5/26/03 St. Paul, MN / Harriet Island Regional Park
7/3/03 Spring Lake, NJ / Old Mill Inn
8/16/03 Oklahoma City, OK / Six Flags

The following concert has been canceled:

7/19/03 Farmingville, NY

Message: 26389 Posted: Wed Feb 19 16:01:50 2003 By: Lass
Subject: Re: Hmmmm Just to Catch Up - Nancy

Nancy ~ You might have been in my part of PA if you were traveling on Route 81 into or near Binghamton, NY.
We got over 20 inches of that awful white stuff and beginning to wonder if we ever see spring.

Message: 26388 Posted: Wed Feb 19 15:47:20 2003 By: jeff brink
Subject: email...

got an email from sgt. Darkness with an attachment. My guess is that it's a virus. Anyway, I NEVER send attachments without getting permission first. If anyone ever wants to send an attachment my way please write ahead and let me know. ...lots of crazy people out there.

I agree with the person that commented on the sound of the "Cayman" CD. Lots of studio CD's out there aren't as clear sounding and balanced as this CD. The guitars sound excellent! Hank Linderman knows his stuff. Hope to see another 10 - 14 song Cd done this way again someday... That is, some of the more obscure songs.

carry on....

Message: 26387 Posted: Wed Feb 19 15:36:54 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: Mighty Mo

Thanks, Red. I needed that encouragement. Funny what you said about the flakes.

Message: 26386 Posted: Wed Feb 19 15:13:20 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Ostrich, Red, Nancy, Johnny-outdoor shows in March

yes,it can get that warm in March, April can be bikini weatehr ( tho NOT for ME!) Last week, however dumped a torrent of rain on us ( and yes as I have observed, the irony of listening to Dewey sing about "Ventura Highway in the sunshine" while being stuck on the Ventura Freeway in a rainstorm was not lost on me.

Message: 26385 Posted: Wed Feb 19 15:07:06 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Mighty Mo

You live in the beast because you are a snowbunny. Anyway, it's a challenge to get thru each winter and you like the challenge. At least you will have water in the summer. We haven't seen hardly any flakes this winter unless you count the people that work in the governor's office.

Snow day
School's closed and I can't wait
Go outside
And I just might
Get into a snowball fight!

Snowball Snowball Snowball fight!
Snowball Snowball Snowball fight!
Snowball Snowball Snowball fight!
Snowball Snowball Snowball fight!

Snowball - Jimmy Fallon

Message: 26384 Posted: Wed Feb 19 13:51:29 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: Ostrich, Red, Nancy, Johnny-outdoor shows in March

You have 80's or 90's around St. Patty's Day? That's down right hard to imagine. Why do I live here? Please someone remind me--quickly.

Message: 26383 Posted: Wed Feb 19 12:59:41 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Ostrich, Red, Nancy, Johnny-outdoor shows in March

Yep, every March 17th or thereabouts, the City of LA has theYoung Dubliners play a gig in Pershing Square in downtown LA. Every year I wonder why the entire band is decked out in what I call "performance black" as it is usually in the high 80's or 90's. I worry about those fair skinned Celtic boys, this fair skinned Celt usually finds a shady place to watch the event from!
Have fun and I hope the weather cooperates!

Message: 26382 Posted: Wed Feb 19 10:01:20 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Late to the Party, Once Again

Just looked at the video again, I don't think the kid is mB. I could be wrong. HEY MATT care to confirm or deny?
Hope to see you all in the chat tonight! Looks like I might be there, but you never know!

Message: 26381 Posted: Wed Feb 19 09:49:22 2003 By: jeff brink
Subject: Re: Late to the Party, Once Again

Heard the song one time by the country stars on the radio a couple of years back.

Message: 26380 Posted: Wed Feb 19 08:56:24 2003 By: speechwriter
Subject: Re: Summer Sydney Shows/ Guitar Man

I can't take too much credit for the restraint I've shown since Xmas in not playing Guitar Man until now. There's something about having an 8-year-old and a 12-year-old that imposes a degree of restraint -- at least in my household. As for the title track, I will go back and make another run at it. Perhaps it has just been a case of finding the right "mood." As I say, the more time I spend with GM, the more I like it. It's a great blend of familiar pleasures and new ground. And Dan really rocks out in places.

Message: 26379 Posted: Wed Feb 19 08:54:47 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Just checking in... Hope video

Go to and search for America. You can see the video there.

Message: 26378 Posted: Wed Feb 19 08:24:15 2003 By: Nina
Subject: Just checking in...

Hi all...Just checkin in, as I'm on winter vacation this week...Actually "lost" two vacation days due to being snowed-in on Monday and Tuesday...22 inches of snow...So glad to see the sunshine today! Moser...when I see you, you'll have to tell me about the "Hope" video...I've never seen it completely.

Message: 26377 Posted: Wed Feb 19 07:19:42 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: Summer Sydney Shows

Great to hear you enjoyed Jackson Browne. Do you remember if he did "Barricades of Heaven, Culver Moon, and LoadOut/Stay?" That was a long concert, was there intermission or straight thru? Variety is the spice of life when it comes to concerts. All entertainers are great in their own way. Tx for sharing ur experience with JB.

Gotta do what you can just to keep your love alive
Trying not to confuse it with what you do to survive
In sixty-nine I was twenty-one and I called the road my own
I don't know when that road turned into the road I'm on

Running on-running on empty
Running on-running blind
Running on-running into the sun
But I'm running behind

Running on Empty - JB

Message: 26376 Posted: Wed Feb 19 06:17:19 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Late to the Party, Once Again

Yo from Snowsville. Well, once again, I am a bit late to the party so pardon my comments regarding this nearly decade old news. I was looking at Steve's info and links regarding the song "Hope." First of all, I love the song as does the hub. And, of course, it's way cool that it was used as a benefit project by some of them there country stars. I was so happy to see the video. I didn't even know it existed. Why haven't I heard you guys mention this at some point? Perhaps I was not paying attention. No prob, better now than never. Did it get much airplay ever? Isn't it time to re-release it? Is that possible? Geez, Gerry Gerry Gerry, you look usual. AND DEWEY DEWEY DEWEY, man, I have to say you look way great with longer hair. But then again, I usually appreciate long hair on a guy. (Gerry's pink bib overall picture comes particularly to mind!!) Then theres Woodz too. Great playing Michael, nice to see you on the video. Perhaps this is an obvious question but is that mB as the young kid? At first I thought it might be Joe but then remembered this would have been made about 9 years ago. Well, whoever it is, he's the spitting image of Gerry. One comment, did he have to wear a Yankee's cap? Please. Red Sox rule.

I appreciated Speech's comments regarding getting to listen more closely to a record while on a road trip. That is so true. I had a similar chance to listen more closely to some CDs this past weekend on the road to PA. Hence, the increased interest in Hourglass. I will be heading back to PA this weekend and hope to crunch some more listening time.
Happy Wednesday everyone. I hope to make it to live chat tonight. See ya'll then.

Message: 26375 Posted: Wed Feb 19 02:45:36 2003 By: jimbob
Subject: Re: Summer Sydney Shows/ Guitar Man

Hi Margaret;YES,I was only minutes ago thinking this time a year ago I was on my feet in a standing ovation at The Civic! And then I met you and Ross and I remember how charged up we were at what we had just seen! And when we got home Frann said we just HAD to make the journey to New Plymouth, to which I was hardly going to argue! Speaking of New Plymouth, Tom Cruise is there now, for 4 months, working on a movie, and we had Cindy Crawford here for the Americas Cup start. We havnt made Sydney yet, but be sure we will get in touch when we do! On the topic of Guitar Man,Speech you showed remarkable restraint to have it for a while without really listening to it fully.Interesting you dont like the title track too much; I think its a great opener, and I especially like the bass, though was a bit disapointed to find it wasnt Dan who was playing it, as I like his bass work.And Mike B, I agree, Van Go Gan is superb, likewise Go Man Go.We often talk here of the playlist America does, being the same pretty much year in, year out, and I know why they do it, but its interesting that Gerry in particular has such a wide array of stuff, and I wonder if he feels sometimes almost a bit restricted about what he has to play in concert. Van Go Gan, the title track, is imo, a piece of genius as is the different versions on Go Man Go.And as someone, was it Kevin S?, pointed out a while back, Guitar Man is the sound that America would be(to a point) if they were a trio still.

Message: 26374 Posted: Wed Feb 19 00:09:05 2003 By: Vic
Subject: Ostrich, Red, Nancy, Johnny

Red, yes, my wife and I will be attending the Ostrich Festival, to see AMERICA. We'll have an ostrich berger and, maybe, purchase some "ostich stuff". It's an outdoor venue. That's 17 days from today, March 7th. Maybe Robyn or Jimnak could imagine an out door concert then, in their neck of the woods, probably not too many others, here on the chat folder. I heard that some places, yesterday alone, got 49 inches of snow. We're going to hit 72oF tomorrow. (: ) Since it is an outdoor concert, they will probably allow cameras. If so, I'll take a bunch of pics.

Nancy, think of it this way, both song are by AMERICA. AMERICA wins either way!(: )

Johnny, so you think that there will be an eclips, right?

Message: 26373 Posted: Tue Feb 18 20:52:15 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: 3

Vic ~ It will be very interesting to see how "Young Moon" will fair against "Hat Trick" if it ends up that way which it looks extremely likely at this point. Either way, there's going to be a "tricky lunar eclipse" probably like we've never seen before.

(Before I haul, Lass ~ Thanks for your email and email address info you posted here!)

Message: 26372 Posted: Tue Feb 18 17:42:04 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: Re: Song Tournament Proposition

Nancy, I think that we should still vote on the last two songs for the song tournament, difficult as it will be~~especially since it looks like Hat Trick vs. Young Moon. All the songs in the tournament are winners in my opinion and voting won't change that fact. We had two feet of snow where I live yesterday, and I didn't go to work~~a much needed break. I would have been crazy to even try. This winter just won't quit!

Message: 26371 Posted: Tue Feb 18 17:35:20 2003 By: Mike B
Subject: Re: Guitar Man.

GM & VGG have been spining in my cars six CD-changer for the past month. Van Go Gan was my favorite America solo effort until "Guitar Man".

Message: 26370 Posted: Tue Feb 18 17:25:45 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: You're Turn

Nancy ~ Regarding "your tourn" proposition, like The Raspberries' song, I say, let's "Go All The Way"!

As a fellow bird lover, maybe I should say, "Your tern" instead

Message: 26369 Posted: Tue Feb 18 17:10:43 2003 By: Margaret
Subject: Summer Sydney Shows

Early February 2003. We saw James Taylor at the State Theatre in Sydney. Fantastic.
Mid February 2003. We saw Jackson Browne at the Sydney Opera House. Fantastic.
Late February 2002. We saw America at the State Theatre in Sydney. Fantastic. Wish we could see them again.

Jimbob, a year ago we were at the Auckland shows. Happy memories. Did you get to Sydney or are you still planning to?

Holiday and Jason you are in for a treat with Jackson Browne - two and a quarter hours.

Message: 26368 Posted: Tue Feb 18 08:40:58 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Hmmmm Just to Catch Up & Song Tourny Proposition!

Hi there Everyone ~~ Well we all survived another Blast of Winter here in my part of PA, we got off lucky compared to some of the other areas, we ended up with a total of 18 inches of snow..... It does look oooooh sooo white and ooooooh sooo fluffy, but this Deja Vous Winterwonderland is becoming tiring. ~~~ I just have to tell you all tho, that yesterday out in my yard, my precious little eastern bluebirds were here, there were 6 of them and they sure brought a Smile to my face for sure. At my work yesterday a person also told me that his sister had seen 8 robins in a tree... Nice ~~~ Sooo I guess I just gotta hold on a little longer... Spring Can't be that far away ~~ Right?????

Hi there Mo ~~~ How was your trip back to NY? I must say our trip to NY was Long and Short.... We didn't have any trouble with the roads and were back here at home long before the snow started. On the way up it was soooo Dark that I couldn't see much... but on the way home I did get to see the Landscape there in Seneca Falls, and the area known as The Fingers Lakes..... the water was sooo ripply and it looked to have a thin glaze of Ice over the top, the miles and miles of Vineyards were bare, but I imagine this is a nice site to see in the summer time. My son hooked up his CD Player to our lighter and we listened to the Grand Cayman CD as well as some of his CD's. Along the highway, the big walls of rock and stone had frozen water falls coming from them ~~ this brought the song Amber Cascades to my mind... only the line would have to be changed to Frozen Cascades..... The Sky was light blue and ther were wispy white cloud writings all around. It was soo bitterly cold while we were there. A nice site to see were the Geese in the fields.... Yes Yes Yes they had stopped to feed on their way back here, another sure sign of Spring! I looked for you, but I guess we missed each other...I did see one green Gr. Caravan tho. I guess it will be no time at all and you will be heading out on the big highway to the Plymouth, Mass show... and then in 42 days you will be heading my way to the IUP show..... Wow! Safe traveling my friend! :)

Hi there Johnny & Steve O ~~ I am very curious about this Hall and Oates new cd.... I hope to hear it sometime! Yes I agree Steve that if Dan Fogelberg & Jackson Browne, can be discussed, that there is room to talk about Hall & Oates as well, they have lots of great songs.... I still feel that if they can come out with a new CD and succeed on this, that Gerry & Dewey would do well with a new CD as well..... Oooooh Johnny I didn't get to read Dans added episode, but I will read it soon.

Well Vic ~~ You are sooo right about your roundabout way of spelling out the Song Tourny results.... I guess it was quite obvious what alot of us were pulling for it to end up as.... I just gotta say tho, I found it very hard to vote this last time as well as the time before..... I in no way am looking forward to voting between Young Moon & Hat Trick.... sooo this is a Proposition I am suggesting.... can't we end it with the both of them winning....... can't they both be winners..... I would sooo have loved to see alot of the songs that were in the song tourny win..... but I know this can't be.... but why put us through this final torture.... can we end it with 2 winners.... can we bend the rules and let both of them win???? That is the Proposal & Question I am bringing forth! ~~~ Hmmm How about the rest of You how do You all feel about this?????

Thanks Lass for the email filtering site... Hmmm I am wondering if I drove past your part of PA on my way to and from NY this past weekend.... I saw lots of part of PA I have never been through before.

Thanks Gerry for that nice VFTHW pic in Guatamala..... I loved the color of that beautiful flowering bush... soo nice.... I hope the Jet Lag was kind to all of you. ~~ Now anytime I am at a Hotel... I go to the window and look out at the surroundings and to the sky.... darn I wished I would have taken a disposable camera with me to NY the sky was sooooooo long and kinda light baby blue, no rainbow colors were to be seen tho.... I guess it was just tooo cold for that. Safe traveling and yes welcome back home..... See you guys in 42 days! :)

Bonjour Gen & Danae ~~~ Neat your posting in French... I sure wished I could remember more of what I learned in my French classes.... I do remember this ~~ Comme vous zapli vous? ~~ Merci~ J'ami telle vous! Please pardon my spelling, I am probably wrong with some of it... I am here smiling, thanks for taking me back to my Junior Year in high school... Wow that was a long long time ago....... for sure! :)

Hi there Jimmmmmm ~~ I hope you are enjoying those nice sunny days!

Hmmmm ~~~ I am kinda sad that the Mailman hasn't been bringing me any more packages! I guess it is time to check into ordering Jeff Larson's Complete Works CD's. :)

Hey there Red ~~ Keep on posting those song lyrics ~~Ok ~~ :)

Have a great day all.... See ya, Nancy :) Thanks Mo for mentioning this neat song ~~~ Sing it Gerry & Dewey :)

And everyday as the sun is setting
Along the bay city lights appear
Snake charmers sway while the smoke is rising
Time is growing near

I'll take the chance this time to change my world (change my world)
And break those ties that bind (ties that bind)
Far from those people passing through my life
Like ports-of-call, ports-of-call

Under the bridge I'll move to far off lands (far off lands)
Maybe Australia or North African sands (North African sands)
Complete my mission, hope you understand
Ports-of-call, ports-of-call
Ports-of-call, ports-of-call
Ports-of-call, ports-of-call ... :)

Message: 26367 Posted: Tue Feb 18 08:36:17 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: You're Turn

Nope. Once I made my point I see no need to belabour it. I know when to stop beating the horse!

Message: 26366 Posted: Tue Feb 18 08:30:18 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Ostrich Vic

Vic, are you attending the America show for the Ostrich Festival in Chandler? I see where Grand Funk Railroad is doing a show on Mar 8 at the same venue. Give us a report if you go. Tx.

Are you ready? You can trust me all the way.
Are you ready? Well, then let me hear you say
That you're ready, and the world will know it's right.
Yes, you're ready, and you know it's out of sight.

Now you're ready, well, then what you waitin' for?
If you're ready, you just open up your door
'Cause I'm ready, for everything you got.
Yes, I'm ready, come and get it while it's hot.

Are You Ready - GFR

Message: 26365 Posted: Tue Feb 18 08:25:22 2003 By: KevinS.
Subject: Guitar Man.

Good thing you got to spend some time with Guitar Man. I think it's wonderful, too. I especially like the last three songs. Dan's finest solo work ever, as far as I'm concerned. And he's had some damn fine solo work in the past.

I, too, enjoyed Dan's epilogue.


Message: 26364 Posted: Tue Feb 18 07:50:42 2003 By: speechwriter
Subject: Dan's "Heaviosity" and taking "Guitar Man" to N.H.

I, too, enjoyed the latest installment of Dan's America saga this past weekend. I was particularly tickled by Dan's choice of the term "heaviosity," which anyone who came of age in the 70s and/or loved the Woody Allen flick "Annie Hall" can appreciate.
Off the topic but related, I spent some time on the road recently traveling to New Hampshire to ski. My wife had given me the "Guitar Man" CD for Xmas, but, until our road trip, I hadn't had time to do much but "taste" a snippet here or there. I taped the CD onto a chrome cassette and, while on the road, had a chance to play "Guitar Man." This is old news to most of you folks, but I was pleasantly surprised at the strength of the album throughout. My particular favorites right now include "The Hill," "Still Love You" "I Need You" and "Nashville Cats." Can't explain it, but the only track that doesn't really work for me is the title tune. Elsewhere, though, it's a tour de force of Dan's guitar playing and vocal harmonies.
Like any good solo artist who came from a famous group, he drops little tasty tidbits here and there that bring a smile by reminding of his contribution to the original band's work. The fuzzy lead guitar on "The Hill" and elsewhere (remember the coda of "Hollywood?), the ethereal harmonies on the piano ballad (title escapes me right now), the harmonica on "Still Love You." Anyway, it's funny what taking an album on the road can do. Having just sampled the "Guitar Man" CD in small doses I was, frankly, not all that impressed. Now, having lived with "Guitar Man" for days and allowed it to sink in, it strikes me that Dan has delivered a very solid work. Particularly with some of its more rustic flourishes, it sounds to me that certain selections would have been nice to hear while hoisting a Red Rack Ale at the Woodstock Station Inn, or a Long Trail Ale at the Common Man Pub. Alas, one hads to settle instead for such predictable (though not unenjoyable) fare as: Neil Young's "Sugar Mountain," the Dead's "Friend of the Devil" and (maybe there's hope), Dan Fogelberg's "As the Raven Flies."

Message: 26363 Posted: Mon Feb 17 19:53:42 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Ports of Call

Dewey, Gerry Gerry Gerry, and Guys,
Welcome back home from your South American "Ports of Call." We've missed you. The concert schedule shows the next date is PLYMOUTH. Yea, Yea, Yea. 11 days to go....

Message: 26362 Posted: Mon Feb 17 15:16:39 2003 By: Genevieve
Subject: Re: Pour Genevieve

Merci Danae pour ton gentil texte en français! Je me sens flattée! :-) Bravo pour tes qualités d'expression. Tu es une parfaite polyglote, ce qui est à mon avis un très grand avantage!

And bravo for your EXCELLENT musical tastes as well. See you soon. Genevieve.

Message: 26361 Posted: Mon Feb 17 11:16:26 2003 By: Danae
Subject: Pour Genevieve

\ / /
Genevieve m'a demande d' ecrire quelque chose en francais. Comme vous
voyez, j' ai un petit probleme en utilisant les accents, mais ce n'est pas quelque chose de grave. Hein, bien, quoi dire?
\ / ^
A l'ecole, je me prepare pour mes diplomes en francais. Mon sujet
/ / / /
prefere c'est l' histoire car je veux devenir un archeologue.
Quoi d'autre puis-je dire? Je n'ai rien d'autre. Aurevoir,
Grosses bises

Message: 26360 Posted: Mon Feb 17 07:28:58 2003 By: Lass
Subject: Re: virus warning

Johnny I see that alot. I own a small web development business and have seen a huge increase in email spam robots spoofing my business email address, my partner's email addy and those of my clients also. Often they contain viruses. I would suggest to everyone that you take the time to download an email filtering program. One of the best ones that I have found for Windows users (Linux user here - don't fear the penguins)is MailWasher( Unfortunately there is no AOL support for this product as of yet but it works well with HotMail and others.

Message: 26359 Posted: Mon Feb 17 06:58:28 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Dan's New Epi

I don't know about the rest of you, but I enjoyed reading Dan's Episode #64 and am looking forward to #65!

Message: 26358 Posted: Sun Feb 16 22:31:53 2003 By: Vic
Subject: 3

i hear wHAT you're saying TeRry t, It Certainly looKs like dewey dewey dewey right now, however, in the end, i believe tHAT iT has been "pReordaIned", by the Chat folder, to be something else. Know what i mean?

Message: 26357 Posted: Sun Feb 16 20:47:21 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Gerry Beckley & Chris Christian

Steve ~ It's interesting to hear that "the man behind the man" may actually be Tom Landry's father if true. Thanks for that tidbit! It's cool to learn these things in my opinion.

Message: 26356 Posted: Sun Feb 16 20:37:33 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: virus warning

I recently have received messages from Hotmail (who I have my e-mail service with) stating that messages "I have sent out" have not been successfully delivered (delivery failure). The intended recipients are people I have not sent messages to nor do I even know. It's strange and spooky that someone can send someone else an e-mail message using my exact hotmail address but not really being sent by me.

Message: 26355 Posted: Sun Feb 16 20:09:14 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Gerry Beckley & Chris Christian

I don't remember where I heard or read this, but I was always under the impression that "the man behind the man" in Chris Christian's song was actually Tom Landry's dad. While it certainly could be Jesus, if you listen to the lyrics and assume that it's his dad, it makes perfect sense.

Message: 26354 Posted: Sun Feb 16 20:07:14 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: curious question for very friendly Steve Lowry

Hi Bruno. Dewey and the rest of the band are with Gerry in the same hotels. But he is the one who is taking the photos and sending them to me to post. Perhaps it would be more complete if I said "Gerry and the band are in ." However, I'll probably keep doing it the way I've always done it. After all, I'm a creature of habit (LOL).

Message: 26353 Posted: Sun Feb 16 19:33:20 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: virus warning

I have been getting messages from people on the chat folder regarding a "meeting" I understand that i have "sent" it as well DO NOT OPEN IT,it is a virus.

Message: 26352 Posted: Sun Feb 16 19:06:46 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Name of mb's band ?

it appears mB is working solo just now. Check out his new stuff at
My dd loves it btw

Message: 26351 Posted: Sun Feb 16 19:05:36 2003 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: Re: Gerry Beckley & Chris Christian

"Day like today" originally came from Chris Christians LP "Higher ways" from 1987. The version is slightly different than the one included on "15 best from 15 years." THAT version has Gerry singing an extra verse(as Johnny pointed out in his email). There is also a shorter version of that song included on Christians Compilation,"The Producer"(1995)which also includes 2 Dan Peek songs: "All things are possible" & "Doer of the word."

Message: 26350 Posted: Sun Feb 16 19:04:35 2003 By: Sheldon
Subject: Re: Gerry Beckley & Chris Christian

Hi Johnny - thanks for the information! I didn't realize Gerry sang on "Man Behind The Man", I am going to go listen to it again. You are correct in your assumptions: "the man" is Tom Landry & "the man behind the man" is Jesus... I also didn't realize that there are 2 versions of "Day Like Today", I'll have to listen to the version on Steve's site... thanks again Johnny for the information, I greatly appreciate it!!!


P.S. All of us PA residents are getting pounded with snow. It's really coming down here in N. Central PA!!! Glad I don't have to work tomorrow!!!

Message: 26349 Posted: Sun Feb 16 18:44:35 2003 By: Vic
Subject: Re: Valentine

Danae, you're right! Thanks for the reminder about "OUR stuff". Hope your Valentine's Day was fun. Is it celebrated in Greece?

Message: 26348 Posted: Sun Feb 16 17:37:40 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Gerry Beckley & Chris Christian

Sheldon ~ I don't know when "Day Like Today" was recorded. I only know that the year "1987" appears next to the song title on Chris Christian's "15 Best Of 15 Years" but you probably already know that since you have the LP. There's another Chris Christian song that Gerry sings vocals on. It's "The Man Behind The Man." In the song, it's my understanding that "the man" is former Dallas Cowboys coach Tom Landry. "The Man" behind Landry I assume is Jesus. You may hear both songs by going to the "Sound Index" on the home page of this site and then scrolling way down toward the bottom. Back to "Day Like Today," there are actually two versions of the song. The version on my copy of "15 Best" has Gerry singing an extra verse versus the version Steve has available to listen to on the "Sound Clips."

Message: 26347 Posted: Sun Feb 16 17:07:53 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: H&O (SteveO)

Thanks Steve for the "Can't Stop Dreaming" offer! That's very, very kind of you. I've sent you a personal e-mail message. Regarding "Romeo Is Bleeding," I totally agree with you. I thought it was strange (and unfortunate) that it wasn't released as a single.

Message: 26346 Posted: Sun Feb 16 17:01:24 2003 By: Sheldon
Subject: Gerry Beckley & Chris Christian

I have always been a fan of Contemporary Christian Artist Chris Christian who was popular in the late 70's & 80's. In 1990 or 1991 I purchased an album of his titled "15 Best of 15 Years". On this album their is a duet that Chris recorded with Gerry Beckley. The song is called "A Day Like Today". It is a really great song & Gerry does a great job singing on it. My question is: does anyone know exactly when this song was recorded? My guess is late 80's but I don't know for sure & I would like to know for sure. Can any of you long-time America fans help me (an America novice!) on this one?

Thanks so much - Sheldon

Message: 26345 Posted: Sun Feb 16 16:09:14 2003 By: melzer
Subject: Name of mb's band ?

Hello, Does anyone know the name of Gerry's son band? I work with kids that our Matts age I was wondering if they liked his music.... Hope someone can help... Thanks Mel :)

Message: 26344 Posted: Sun Feb 16 14:34:24 2003 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: Re: H&O (SteveO)

Despite all the years of hits,I thought "Marigold Sky" was the best LP the guys did. "Romeo is bleeding" would have been huge had that been released in the 80's at their peak. "Time won't pass me by" is a great collaboration of vocals between Daryl and John. I would also recommend you pick up the "Can't stop dreaming" CD by Daryl--another outstanding effort from start to finish! Better yet,send me your email address and I'll get a copy to you,as its a pricy title if you can find it. I'm not a completist with H&O,but I have everything back to the mid 70's. Hmmm,Hall & Oates/Jackson Browne/Dan Fogelberg/America...its all good!!!

Message: 26343 Posted: Sun Feb 16 13:26:36 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: H&O (SteveO)

Steve ~ Thanks for your insight regarding the "Do It For Love" CD. I'm really enjoying the heck out of listening to it. I think I'm on about the tenth listen since purchasing it!

Message: 26342 Posted: Sun Feb 16 12:21:23 2003 By: bruno
Subject: curious question for very friendly Steve Lowry

In message 26325 I read that Gerry is in hotel of Guatemala; in message 26317 I read that Gerry is in hotel of Honduras; in message 26282 I read that Gerry is in Hotel of San Salvador, ecc. ecc......
but when Gerry is in this hotel where is Dewey (ant the band)? in caravan? on the road? in tent? or where is?
Ciao Hi
thanks Johnny ( about records of America that I purchasede, two boys are Scottish; Scottish have reputation to be a few greedy; I offered
greater sum for records of America: 50 Euro almost 50 dollars)
Ciao Hi Johnny Steve and all

Message: 26341 Posted: Sun Feb 16 10:02:17 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Haulin Oats, etc

Hopefully Red, back during those Iowa days, you weren't so big that in order for you to "haul ass" you had to make two trips! :0)

True story ----> I have a prestige/vanity license plate officially issued to me (for an additional fee) by the State of New Mexico. It reads "HAULASH". That was as close as the State would allow me to "haul it". I sold the car but was able to keep the plate. The car was an Olds cutLASS. I have the "HAULASH" plate next to a Michigan plate that I recently bought off of eBay that reads "DEW". It's blue with white letters. Last year, I was outbid on a red plate with white letters from West Virginia that read "BECKLEY".

Message: 26340 Posted: Sun Feb 16 09:30:22 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Haulin Oats, etc

Back in Iowa, we used to Haul Ass while Haulin Oats, so that we could sow seeds later that night. So there, so what! Remember to eat your Cheerios every day and listen to Hall & Oates.

She's a brick----house
Mighty might just lettin' it all hang out
She's a brick----house
The lady's stacked and that's a fact,
ain't holding nothing back.

She's a brick----house
She's the one, the only one,
who's built like a amazon [pronounced am-a-ka-zawn]
We're together everybody knows,
and here's how the story goes.

Brick House - The Commodores

Message: 26339 Posted: Sun Feb 16 09:23:48 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: little question for friends of America (Bruno)

Ciao Bruno! I agree with Sergio. eBay is a great way to find America records AND other America items. Oftentimes, a person can find sealed (never opened) America albums, and they're not very expensive. Unfortunately, the shipping cost might be what's expensive being that you're in Italy and the albums are often offered by sellers in the US. I remember seeing not long ago a still-sealed copy of "Hat Trick" and "Hideaway".

Message: 26338 Posted: Sun Feb 16 09:12:47 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: You're Turn

Mo B ~


Message: 26337 Posted: Sun Feb 16 08:13:55 2003 By: terry t
Subject: Re: You're Turn

<<You're Turn.>>

Your Turn

p.s. How about that final four? Looks like DEWEY DEWEY DEWEY!

Message: 26336 Posted: Sun Feb 16 06:25:44 2003 By: Moser
Subject: You're Turn

Ah, Robyn, it must be your turn. Good luck Celtic Sister.

Message: 26335 Posted: Sun Feb 16 05:55:22 2003 By: bruno
Subject: little question

Thanks Sergio for information
hi Ciao

Message: 26334 Posted: Sun Feb 16 05:43:12 2003 By: Sergio
Subject: Re: little question for friends of America

The easiest and most direct way of finding old America albums is for you is to search for them on, you can usually find many of the albums listed there. It is free to become a member, if you are not already one. Good luck!

Message: 26333 Posted: Sun Feb 16 02:07:41 2003 By: bruno
Subject: little question for friends of America

In the last week in a shop of recors\CD I finded (and then of course purchased) two original records of America, Hideaway and Harbor, in very good condition.
In record Hideaway there was again the little writing "America" sticked on the transparent packaging.
Two English boys too will to purchase two original records of America but I offered greater sum.
In USA is easy or not to find in shop original records of America of the years 1971\1978?
hi Ciao to all

Message: 26332 Posted: Sat Feb 15 19:55:05 2003 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: Re: H&O (SteveO)

"Do it for love" has some good moments,but in no way is as good as "Marigold Sky" was back in 1997. "Something about you" is a remake of a song that was on his '96 "Fan club only disk"(and now on Import)called "Can't stop dreaming"--new to anybody who doesn't have that,and a nice song. The last song on the CD came off of John Oates' recent release "Phunk Shui",the guys just revamped it."Do it for love" and "Heartbreak time" are both nice songs,but I was bummed because I already had them on the CD that was released last year for the VH-1 special-Again,if you don't have that disk,this is another bonus,and Its still nice to have a new Hall & Oates CD. I realize not all the members on this board like H&O,or even care but they do remain the rock era's most popular duo,knocking the Everly Brothers off years ago. If there is room to talk about acts like Jackson Browne or even Dan Fogelberg,there's some room to add it Hall & Oates.

Message: 26331 Posted: Sat Feb 15 18:54:40 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne & America Too




Message: 26330 Posted: Sat Feb 15 18:46:01 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne & America Too


Message: 26329 Posted: Sat Feb 15 18:05:37 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: VFTHW - Guatemala City

Gerry, thank you for the beautiful picture from Guatemala City. I wish I could be in that picture right now. It's so nice to see greenery and colorful flowers because the view where I live in PA for the last couple of months is SNOW!!! Although the snow is pretty we do get tired of it because it doesn't seem like we will see the ground here until spring and it's so COLD, below zero temps again tonight.

Message: 26328 Posted: Sat Feb 15 17:46:14 2003 By: Genevieve
Subject: Re: View From The Hotel Window

Nice VFHW indeed! Thanks again, Gerry. Still find these pics of yours very enriching. Travelling with you and being given a chance to discover the flora and wonderful sceneries of all those distant places is rather exciting.

On a not so different note, someone recently reminded me of this quote from Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass by Lewis Carroll, which I find both funny and worth thinking about :

"It takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!"
All those who have ever wanted to get 'somewhere' or to succeed in what they were undertaking, will probably understand! :-)
BFN- Gen.

Message: 26327 Posted: Sat Feb 15 16:03:43 2003 By: Sergio
Subject: Re: View From The Hotel Window

I really enjoy Gerry's pictures from the different tour cities. Thanks for sharing them with us. This one from Guatemala is winner!

Message: 26326 Posted: Sat Feb 15 15:58:33 2003 By: Sergio
Subject: Re: H&O (SteveO)

Did you catch H&O this morning on the Today show? They performed "Maneater" and a song I did not recognize.

Message: 26325 Posted: Sat Feb 15 11:25:02 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: View From The Hotel Window

Gerry is in Guatemala City, Guatemala today. Click here to see the view from his hotel window.

Message: 26324 Posted: Fri Feb 14 20:24:38 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: H&O (SteveO)

SteveO ~ I purchased Hall & Oates' "Do It For Love" CD today. I think it's excellent. Maybe not quite as good as "Marigold Sky," but still very strong in my opinion. As I mentioned in last night's post, I don't have the VHS Special CD. I also don't have Hall's solo CD "Can't Stop Dreaming" but I do have all of his others. So, the song that's on that CD that's also on this new one, it's a good deal for me. I really like a lot of the songs on this new one. Perhaps the only song that I'm not too hip about is "Make You Stay". I do especially like "Man On A Mission". It sounds like a hit song to me but I don't see it listed on the sticker as a "Plus" song. Perhaps it still may be a future hit. John's "Love In A Dangerous Time" is very good and with him at his best in my opinion. It reminds me quite a bit of Bonnie Raitt's "Nick Of Time". I'm surprised how little Daryl and John contributed to the CD instrumentwise. I don't recall seeing John's name at all associated with playing the guitar. Overall though, I think the new CD is a winner!

Message: 26323 Posted: Fri Feb 14 18:42:36 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne & America Too



Jackson Brown???

Message: 26322 Posted: Fri Feb 14 16:45:26 2003 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: Valentine and more JB

happy valentine to all...and with that it mind...what is the best love song ever written? I'll have to think about that one for a while.

Regarding Song for Adam....In JB's video "Going Home" Jackson says song for Adam was indeed written about a friend by the name of Adam Sailer. Adam and Jackson drove to New York together.... Adam continued on to Europe and bummed around for awhile in route to India...thats all Jackson mentions about Adam in the Video...the song tells the rest:

Song For Adam - Jackson Browne

Though Adam was a friend of mine, I did not know him well
He was alone in his existence, He was deep into his well
I could guess what he was laughing at, But I couldn't really tell
Now the story's told that Adam jumped, But I'm thinking that he fell

Together we went traveling, as we received the call
His destination India, and I had none at all
Well I still remember laughing, with our backs against the wall
So free of fear we never thought, that one of us might fall

I sit before my only candle, but it's so little light to find my way
Now this story unfolds before my candle
Which is shorter every hour as it reaches for the day
Well I feel just like a candle in a way
I guess I'll get there but I wouldn't say for sure

When we parted we were laughing still, as our goodbyes were said
And I never heard from him again, as each our lives we led
except for once in someone else's letter that I read
Until I head the sudden word, that a friend of mine was dead

I sit before my only candle, like a pilgrim sits beside the way
Now this journey appears before my candle
as a song that's growing fainter, the harder I play
well I fear before I am I'll fade away
But I guess I'll get there, though I wouldn't say for sure

Though Adam was a friend of mine, I did not know him long
And when I stood myself beside him, I never thought I was as strong
still it seemed he stopped his singing in the middle of his song
well I'm not the one to say I know but I'm hoping he was wrong

I'm holding out my only candle, though it's so little light to find my
now this story's been layed beneath my candle
and it's shorter every hour as it reaches for the day
yes I feel just like a candle in a way
I hope I'll get there but I'll never pray

Message: 26321 Posted: Fri Feb 14 12:12:13 2003 By: Danae
Subject: Valentine

Hey, guys you started forgetting OUR stuff! REMEMBER SOMETHING ELSE:
Well, she said all along, I'm her one
A little fingernail polish, chewin' gum
Her round the world heart made of platinum, that's right

She looks like a China doll baby, especially in white
A tropicana flower in the candlelight
She turned into a pumpkin pie, sweet kiss at midnight

She moves, oh so fine
She's like a perfect valentine
She's not one to fall in love
She's too high on the stars above at night

She wants to be your red-hot mama, all alone
She dances with the boys on the telephone
She makes a lotta noise in the quiet zone at night

Yeah, you talk about a party at the beach, ain't that grand
She just took a raincheck with another man
Who lay on the deck of his catamaran some night

She moves, oh so fine
She's like a perfect valentine
She's not one to fall in love
She's too high on the stars above at night

Well, I can't tell you much, but what I know (what I know)
You can't take her with you when it's time to go
'Cause she knows where it's at with a Romeo, you'll see

She moves, oh so fine
She's like a perfect valentine
She's not one to fall in love
She's too high on the stars above at night

She moves
Just like a perfect valentine
She's not one to fall in love
She's too high on the stars above at night

Message: 26320 Posted: Fri Feb 14 11:55:26 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: Happy Valentine's Day

Thanks, Red Oak. That was very thoughtful of you.

Nancy, we will be in a green Grand Caravan bouncing along with the America tunes cranked up!!

Nina, it better not snow enough to keep me in NY and not in Plymouth Rock. That would NOT be good. Not chubby, I'm telling you, it's Rubenesque. Have a good winter vacation.

Message: 26319 Posted: Fri Feb 14 10:23:50 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Re: Happy Valentine's Day & the VFTHW Pic

Me Again ~~~
Oooooooh Reddddddd :) ~~ Thank You soo much for your valentine wishes.... and for posting the words to that beautiful son.... Yes sing it Martina McBride and play it Jim Brickman.... I am sure that all the ladies here on the chat folder will agree that this gesture from you, more than makes up for all of your (let's say) Spicey posts! ;) I am here Smiling from ear to ear for sure! :)

Thanks SteveL ~~ for posting the VFTHW pic..... Happy Valentine's Day Gerry, Dewey & Band ~~~ Hmmm from the looks of this pic, I would be willing to bet it is a beautiful warm sunny day there in San Pedro, Sula.... enjoy your day! :)

Yes Nina I agree with Robyn ~~ Stop selling yourself short.... I am sure the kids appreciate your True Colors, after all that is what makes a person beautiful and attractive. 14 days to go for you and Mo and 46 more days till I see them at IUP..... Wow! :)

Hey there Mo ~~ Safe traveling today! Maybe we will pass each other along the way... I will be in a Burgandy Ford Aerostar Van ~~ I will be sure to wave if I see you! :)

Okay gotta get, lots to do! Nancy :)

~~ Sing it again Martina ~~~ If there were no words
No way to speak
I would still hear you
If there were no tears
No way to feel inside
I'd still feel for you

I've dreamed of this a thousand times before
But in my dreams I couldn't love you more
I will give you my heart
Until the end of time
You're all I need, my love, my Valentine ~~~ Such a beautiful song! :)

Message: 26318 Posted: Fri Feb 14 08:49:46 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: View From The Hotel Window

Gerry is in San Pedro Sula, Honduras today. Click here to see the view from his hotel window.

Message: 26317 Posted: Fri Feb 14 08:32:08 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Happy Valentine's Day!

Nia, you are selling yourself short! You obviously care about the kids and they know that.

And I prefer to think of myself as being Zaftig, much nicer than "chubby"

Message: 26316 Posted: Fri Feb 14 08:20:33 2003 By: Nina
Subject: Happy Valentine's Day!

Hi all! Happy Valentine's Day to everybody! I actually received two roses today from two of my sixth grade boys! Boxes of candy from a couple of others. I'm NOT one of the new, cute, spunky teachers around here! I'm rather old, chubby, and strict as teachers go figure?!?! (And they know their grade will NOT increase due to bribes!)

Moser...counting the days until the 28th! Let it snow it WON'T snow then!

Message: 26315 Posted: Fri Feb 14 08:11:36 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Happy Valentine's Day

greeting to all the females out there on the folder. May you have love & respect on this fine day and every day of the year. May u have everlasting love and be showered with flowers, jewelry, and everything else. Guys, make sure you do something special for your sweetheart today. This pretty much sums it up:

If there were no words
No way to speak
I would still hear you
If there were no tears
No way to feel inside
I'd still feel for you

And even if the sun refused to shine
Even if romance ran out of rhyme
You would still have my heart until the end of time
You're all I need my love my Valentine

All of my life
I have been waiting for
All you give to me
You've opened my eyes
And shown me how to love unselfishly

I've dreamed of this a thousand times before
But in my dreams I couldn't love you more
I will give you my heart
Until the end of time
You're all I need, my love, my Valentine

And even if the sun refused to shine
Even if romance ran out of rhyme
You would still have my heart until the end of time
'Cause all I need is you, my Valentine
You're all I need, my love, my Valentine

Valentine - Martina McBride

Message: 26314 Posted: Fri Feb 14 08:04:18 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne & America Too



Message: 26313 Posted: Fri Feb 14 07:10:48 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Re: Valentine

Happy Valentine's Day All~~ Hmmm the sun is shining here at the moment, but look out we are in for another nasty storm system this weekend... and where will I be heading ... to Seneca Falls, NY.... Oooooh noooooo, let the Weatherman be wrong this one time ~ Please! :)

Hi there Gen ~~~ Sooo nice seeing a post from you, thanks for the valentine wish... same to you my friend... a special thought is sent your way too. Nice lyrics you posted! :)

Hi there Leaky ~~ how have you been, it has been awhile since you have come back to the live chat.... too much you knowing the lyrics to this JB song! Nice to hear from you! Hmmm get that leaky canoe fixed soon Okay? LOL :) ~~~~ He's a friend of mine, known him all my life, and his wife, neath the swaying pine.... and just before he left, he said now young man please be sure and say a word at night for all your brother's feeling blueeeeee, feeling blueeeee ~~~ take it from there Dewey :)

Hi there Johnny & SteveO ~~~ Hmmm no Hall & Oates, or Jackson Browne cds here in my collection either... I do have my favorite songs of theirs and then some downloaded and in my winamp jukebox.... Thanks Steve for posting your thoughts on the new H & O cd..... I do like the song Forever for You.... it may be enough to make me wanna buy this cd.... ~~ OOhhh yes Nicolette Larson's song Lotta Love ~~ One nice song for sure.... i have that on my playlist as well...

Regarding Nick Drake ~~ His name sure sounds familiar... I am thinking he did one of the songs on the Serendipity Movie soundtrack... I will have to check it out.... :)

Thanks again SteveL for all the mp3's of the Honored CD's... I am enjoying hearing them.... soo far my fave's are HWNN, Head & Heart & Muskrat Love.... I still have more to download ~~~ Slow & Steady is the only way my slooooooow connection knows to gooooooo.... :)

Hey there Red ~~~~ Woooooo there Nelleybelle ~~ get warmed up for another day's deliveries.... :)

Hi there Jimmmmmmm(bob) ~~ play some nice songs on your guitar! :)

Have a great friday (get done with work early) See ya, Nancy :)

Hmmmm ~~ Nick Drake ~~ Yes he sings this oooooh soo nice song from the Serendipity Movie ~~~~ Northern Sky ~~~~ I never felt magic as crazy as this, I never saw the moon sleeping on the sea, I never held emotion in the palm of my hand, or felt sweet breezes in the top of a tree, but now you're here to Brighten My Northern Sky, been a long time and I'm waiting, been a long time that I've grown, been a long time that I've wondered through the people I have known, ohhh if you would and you could straighten my blue eyes line ~~~ would you love me for my money, would you love me for my name, would you love me through the winter, would you love me till I'm dead.... I never felt magic as crazy as this.... sing it Nick Drake ~~~ I love this song, it gives me those oooooh sooo nice chills... and I love the part of the movie they play it on..... what a great song , what a great movie.... sooo appropriate for Valentine's day too.... Now Evan & Jaron is singing The Distance from this movie.... oooooh my what a great song this is as well.... I could sing it all tooo ~~~ and with every breathe I take I'm calling your name.... I can't take the distance.... I can't take the miles, till I next see you smile, and I'm not ashamed to say with every breathe I'm calling your name....... I can't take the distance.... WOW ;)

Message: 26312 Posted: Fri Feb 14 05:47:18 2003 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: America - Jackson Brown Connection ???

Am I correct in assumming that the Dave Lindley who plays on Children and Rainy Day is the same David Lindley from Jackson Brown fame?

" her waist line seems to be expanding although she dosnt feel like eating a thing"...."next thing I knew is she was all moved in and I was buying her a washing machine" JB

Jacksons new CD "the naked ride home" is a good one

Message: 26311 Posted: Fri Feb 14 02:22:51 2003 By: Genevieve
Subject: Valentine

Love with no fear is for
For the chosen few
I have secrets I must tell
If you only knew...
YES, you are a MIRACLE
YES, you are a MIRACLE!!!
Milagro (Natalia M. King - 2000)

Hope you all have a wonderful Valentine's Day today, the love & affection of your dear ones. A special thought for you, Nancy, Jeff and Jim...)
See you all very soon.
Back to the cave now! :-)

Message: 26310 Posted: Thu Feb 13 19:36:43 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: S/B "DJ"

The "Highway" booklet mentioned BOTH "Sister Golden Hair" and "Daisy Jane" in the same paragraph. I mis-read it... sorry! Gerry was referring to "Daisy Jane" and not "SGH" when he said, "I wrote that song in my cottage in England."

Message: 26309 Posted: Thu Feb 13 18:03:52 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: booking agent

<<Does anyone know how to get hold of the booking agent for America. Our London Central High Class of 1974 would like to book them.>>

Maybe a member of the Hobbs [New Mexico] High Class of 1974 could join yours if you all succeed in booking America. After all, "Hobbs" is an English family name, I'm told. :0)

Message: 26308 Posted: Thu Feb 13 17:57:02 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Nick Drake (Jason)

<<Talking about bedsitter albums has anyone heard of an English singer called NICK DRAKE who released 3 albums in the early 70s?>>

Jas ~

"I wrote that ["Sister Golden Hair"] in my cottage in England. I was a big fan of Nick Drake, and on one of his albums there's a song called 'Hazy Jane [II].' I just kind of copped that and came up with the name 'Daisy Jane,' sort of like 'daisy chain.' There's not a thing about my song that's like Nick's song, but that's where these bits come from."

Message: 26307 Posted: Thu Feb 13 17:46:36 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne & America Too

<<BTW number of Hall and Oats cds in my collection-zero>>

My collection of "Hall and Oats" CDs is also zero.

I did have one Jackson Browne album years ago. I remember it had a song about a pregnant gal. One of the lyrics was something like, "Her waistline's expanding". I gave the LP to my brother.

Chris ~ Fresca

Message: 26306 Posted: Thu Feb 13 17:39:33 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Hall and Oates' New CD (SteveO)

Steve ~ I went to Kmart Tuesday morning hoping to purchase the new H&O CD for their advertised price of only $8.99 but unfortunately the entertainment section clerk was ill and the replacement clerk didn't know where to look in the back store room. I have yet to return but I plan to in the next couple of days. I will let you know what I think about the CD soon. Regarding John Oates having only a couple of his songs on the CD, it's no surprise. Daryl has overshadowed John terribly and unfairly, no doubt. As we know, it's 'what sells' that the execs are concerned with and that's mainly Daryl as lead vocalist. I didn't purchase the VH-l special CD so for me the two songs from it will be a welcome addition. I do understand what you're saying though.

Message: 26305 Posted: Thu Feb 13 14:40:20 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: booking agent

On the main page before Whats New is booking information that will answer ur question. Make sure and pay big bucks so they will give more concerts in England.

Message: 26304 Posted: Thu Feb 13 14:40:14 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: booking agent

On the main page before Whats New is booking information that will answer ur question. Make sure and pay big bucks so they will give more concerts in England.

Message: 26303 Posted: Thu Feb 13 13:34:53 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: booking agent

Wow, LCHS74, if you're intending to book them for your '74 HS reunion, that must be some reunion committee. You must have one heck of a big budget. Either that or a mighty high ticket price. I serve on my HS reunion committee and we bust our booties on fundraising just to afford a decent meal, a DJ, and, of course, open bar whilst keeping the ticket price within a manageable range. If you pull it off, could you send me some pointers? Good luck.

Message: 26302 Posted: Thu Feb 13 12:09:45 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: booking agent

On the main page before Whats New is booking information that will answer ur question. Make sure and pay big bucks so they will give more concerts in England.

Message: 26301 Posted: Thu Feb 13 12:09:30 2003 By: Jason Smith
Subject: Jackson Browne - Song For Adam

I'd heard that SONG FOR ADAM was written about a real friend of Jackson's but can't remember the source. I also prefer the older albums but agree there are many good songs on the later releases.

Jackson is very confessional which may put some people off. His 1st album perfectly portrays that bedsitter singer/songwriter image of the early 70s. It's music you don't want to listen to all the time but when you're feeling a bit relective or melancholy it somehow really fits the bill.

Earlier this week I had a one day sickness bug. Feeling sorry for myself and finding the house empty (for a change) I lay on the couch and listened to some early Joni Mitchell and Gene Clark's WHITE LIGHT (a new find - greatly recommended). My wife came home and said "What's this dirge!" and broke the spell. I then did the washing up!

Talking about bedsitter albums has anyone heard of an English singer called NICK DRAKE who released 3 albums in the early 70s? Sadly he died in total obscurity but since then has risen in stature in the UK no end.

Also Al Stewart of "Year of The Cat" fame released some good early albums in the same vein. As did "Head & Heart" writer John Martyn whose SOLID AIR & BLESS THE WEATHER are great albums.


Message: 26300 Posted: Thu Feb 13 11:29:47 2003 By: LCHS74
Subject: booking agent

Does anyone know how to get hold of the booking agent for America. Our London Centeral High Class of 1974 would like to book them.

Message: 26299 Posted: Thu Feb 13 07:58:32 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne & America Too

The track is "You love the Thunder" the place where the stick breaks is right after he sings "draw the shades and light the fire for the night that holds you" It's one of my favorite parts of the album.

Also, regarding the America/Jackson tour. when I saw them back in 73 ( I think) Jackson was a new kid, touring behind his first album. America was the headliner. I saw them at the Hollywood Bowl on a beautiful summer night. Jackson blew me away when he did "song for Adam" which remains one of my favorites of his.
BTW number of Hall and Oats cds in my collection-zero

Message: 26298 Posted: Thu Feb 13 07:46:41 2003 By: holiday
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne & America Too

That's a double act I'd go a long way to see. In fact, it was the same last weekend in February in 2002 that I travelled to Sydney to see the guys play - and the next concert voice I hear will be JB's - exactly a year later.

red oak - watch out for our OZ GM (Holden) Monaro coming your way soon - I think it is badged as a Pontiac. I'm a GM man.

Robyn - was that track 'Running On Empty' or 'You Love The Thunder'? I know that Russ Kunkel played for the other JB too - Buffett.

Johnny - good recall on Gerry's comments. I wonder if a little of JB rubbed off on 'Daisy Jane' too? - rather melancholy. By the way - if you read this, I meant to post a while back re the 'Holiday' debate as to the soft drink bottle - what was it again, Tesco or something? Sorry, old age getting to me (and Alan) - anyway, my 'Holiday' song book has a pretty clear shot of the bottle - looks like an old Pepsi style - it may even be a glass tumbler with the oval white background and a cursive style (that's not swearing) like the old Pepsi logo - hey, maybe it says 'America'... hmmm. The picture is double-page and shows all the old fishing rods and other sporting gear they used as props. Was this shot in the UK or USA? I'd say the car is right-hand drive, and not just from Willie's seating position - there are various stickers on the windscreen on the left hand side and it is clear on the right - so it must be UK build. Also, the football looks like a Rugby ball. Any confirmation on the location?

Thanks Alan - just kiddin' about the memory - at least you can remember 1978! The Naked Ride Home is supposedly Jackson returning to his 70's style. Like America, I think he has stayed fairly true to his original sound. IMO he was more consistently writing the right words in the right place to a good melody throughout the '70's and drifted off by the time he brought out 'Lawyers In Love' and got into the politics of righting the wrongs. Mind you 'Tender is the Night' does rock!


Message: 26297 Posted: Thu Feb 13 07:46:04 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: The Number of CDs/LPs/Cassettes I Have of...

too bad you don't have any Jackson Browne. He is a fabulous artist. I have most of his stuff.

Message: 26296 Posted: Thu Feb 13 07:20:03 2003 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: Re: The Number of CDs/LPs/Cassettes I Have of...

Just curious if you got the Hall & Oates release. I was a bit disappointed in it. I believe there are 14 songs on it,56 minutes of music. Nice to have the new single "Forever with you",but whats the point of including "do it for love" and even "Heartbreak time"(both good songs)when they were included on Last years VH-1 Special CD? Also,and unless you have the import,I thought it was unneccesary to include "Something about you" as it was on the "Can't stop dreaming" title of '96 or so. Also,John Oates only handles lead on 2 of the songs(one shared with Daryl).No knock against Daryl,but more and more,Oates tends to become just another backing vocalist for Hall. I need to give it a few more listens but I'm not big on re-including songs that have already been on previous LP's. Also,where's that studio version of "Me & Mrs.Jones" that is always rumored to be included on the next disk?
No Nicolette Larson disks here,but "Lotta Love" is an alltime great by her! Jackson Browne is well represented in my CD collection here!

Message: 26295 Posted: Thu Feb 13 06:50:25 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: The Number of CDs/LPs/Cassettes I Have of...


Message: 26294 Posted: Wed Feb 12 21:04:11 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne

The drummer doesn't miss a beat, he breaks a stick Listen carefully you can hear the snap. I was always impressed that he didn't miss a beat but grabbed another and resumed playing immediatly. The drummer was Russ Kunkel, who was married to Nicolette Larson.

Message: 26293 Posted: Wed Feb 12 20:15:34 2003 By: rc
Subject: Re: Kitty update...Alan

Hi Alan,
I read your posts about Kitty, and glad to hear that things seem to be going well.. Having 3 cats of my own, and a couple emergency vet experiences myself, I understand what Dan is going through..

Take Care,
Robin C.

Message: 26292 Posted: Wed Feb 12 19:55:15 2003 By: rc
Subject: Re: Honored MP3's..Thanks Steve

Thanks for you input on the player.. I will check out that site.

Message: 26291 Posted: Wed Feb 12 17:33:35 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Kitty update

Well, I left her alone, my Kitty
Thinkin' the vet would ease the pain
I'm a crazy man (thinkin' 'bout the vet bill)
And I hope Kitty won't be lame, lame

(Lame lyrics, I know! Sorry Alan.)

Message: 26290 Posted: Wed Feb 12 17:26:59 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Jackson B

"When I got to L.A., people like Jackson Browne I would cite as becoming an immediate influence, because their lyrics would flow in a way that was just like talking, without being simplistic. I just couldn't believe that; somehow it's like a conversation that he put tunes to. He has a knack, an ability to put words to music, that is much more like the L.A. approach to just genuine observation as opposed to simplifying it down to its bare essentials. I find Jackson can depress me a little bit, but only through his honesty; and it was that style of his which led to a song of mine, 'Sister Golden Hair,' which is probably the more L.A. of my lyrics: 'I tried to make it Sunday but got so damn depressed, Set my sights on Monday and I got myself undressed.'"

Message: 26289 Posted: Wed Feb 12 17:26:27 2003 By: Alan
Subject: Re: Kitty update

Stopped in at Dan's on the way home from work tonight to see how is doing. He's very anxious to get Kitty back and a bit concerned about the vet bill he's going to get, but is otherwise in good spirits. Oh, and guess what CD he was playing when I came in? You guessed it - America's Grand Cayman concert!


Message: 26288 Posted: Wed Feb 12 17:23:24 2003 By: Alan
Subject: Re: Jackson B


I seem to remember reading somewhere (probably here on the chat folder) that when JB & America toured together, they took turns being the opener & the headliner, but i could be remembering wrong. After all, I'm getting old - the ole memory ain't what it used to be!

I never them in the same show, but I did see them both in the same year (78). Does that count?

BTW, do you have The Naked Ride Home yet? I've only had a chance to listen a couple of times since I got it (been very busy - a lot of hours at work, etc.), but my initial impression is that it is a very good album.


Message: 26287 Posted: Wed Feb 12 15:08:50 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Honored MP3's

Robin, I use MusicMatch's JukeBox 7.5 to play my MP3's but just about any of the common "players" will work (RealPlayer, MediaPlayer, WinAmp, etc.). If you want to download JukeBox 7.5 go to and follow the instructions. There is a free version and one that costs money. I use the free version and it works just fine. I also use it to RIP MP3 files from normal music CD's. In my opinion it works better doing that than some of the other programs and that's why I like and use it.

Message: 26286 Posted: Wed Feb 12 14:40:40 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Re: VFTHW & San Salvadore Again Pics

Hi Everyone ~~~ Yes it was a SNOW DAY here in my little corner of the world too Mo.... those old nast winds picked up last night drifted alot of the back roads shut, the wind chill temps are ooooooh sooo cold here today too. ~~~ The Music has been playing here all day long.... enjoying catching up on alot of the new videos and songs.... ~~~ Thanks SteveL & John C for these neat versions of some of our favorite AMERICA songs... Slow & Steady I am downloading them 1 by 1..... HWNN has a nice beat.... I got to listen to most of it then my Real Player decided it wanted to update the database and now I cannot find my downloaded HWNN ~~~ I will have to search it out... anyway thanks again Steve ~~ soooo neat to be able to get to hear all of this. :)

WOW Gerry! ~~ Those are some neat pics you took there in San Salvador..... Your 1st pic managed to capture that oooooooh ssoooo quiet time of the morning ~~ Nice for sure! I love the Ocean Blue Sky & San Salvadore sure is nestled in an interesting landscape... too much how that tall Palm tree is there. Thanks for giving us a glimpse of this part of the world! Take care and safe traveling! :)

Thanks Mo ~~ For bringing to mind that oooh soo nice pic of Gerry playing the dual-neck guitar, with those oooooh soo nice pink bibs on .... WOW that pic sure is a nice one! ~~ Well Mo, Hubby, Son and I will be heading to Seneca Falls, NY on friday evening, I sure hope the weather cooperates and we don't get stuck in a blizzard.... I am looking forward to see the all white NY landscape scenery... only thing is, it will probably be sooo dark, as we are leaving here in the early evening.....

Hi Cathy ~~~ Hmmm you were wondering what show I was talking about... well Erin Edwards of Morey Management came to live chat a while back and had mentioned that they were looking into doing a live by remote show for either MTV or some other network.... and I had remembered this.... sooo my inquiring mind had to bring it up. I am sure if it comes to be Erin will let Steve know about it.

Hey there Red & holiday ~~~ Nice I enjoyed the lyrics you both posted! Chris ~~ Have a great time at the Jackson Browne show and I will look forward to hearing all about it. Yes Red I agree that a show with AMERICA & JB would be AWESOME ~~ JB sure would do a great job joining them for Hat Trick. ~~ Hey there hekawi25 ~~~ thanks for sharing your JB memories... I have always liked his songs, I hope to see him in a show one day.

Take care all ~~ Nancy :) Live chat tonight! :)

~~~~ To open my eyes and wake up alive in the world, to open my eyes and find me arrive in the world ~~~ohhhhh sooo nice music now ~~ play it JB ~~~~ where there is beauty and there's cruelty, where there is heartbreak and there's joy, where the constantly giving birth to life and to forces that destroy, and the infinite power of change alive in the world ~~~ To open my eyeeeees and wake up alive in the world, to open my eyeees and find me arrive in the world, to open my eyeees and find me alive alive in the world, to open my eyeeees and find me arrive in the world..... Nice song sing it Jackson Browne ~~ Alive in the World :)

Message: 26285 Posted: Wed Feb 12 13:52:19 2003 By: rc
Subject: Re: Honored MP3's

Hi Steve, and Everyone
Thanks for the mp3's you listed for everyone from John.. Was interesting listening to the different renditions.. don't know how I missed that page of clips to begin with, but doesn't matter..
Ok I could use some help here. What in your opinion is the best program to use to play back the mp3's? I have real player already but an older version. Any suggestions from you or anyone else would be appreciated...
Robin C

Message: 26284 Posted: Wed Feb 12 12:00:09 2003 By: Duffy
Subject: Singers & Songwriters

There is an infomercial getting a lot of airtime on the cable channels in the Great Northwest, “Singers & Songwriters collection”. On the first CD, listed as volume one, the first track is: America – Horse with no name. It fits, the number one group on the number one CD, on the number one track.

Message: 26283 Posted: Wed Feb 12 10:45:44 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Drooling Over the Bibs

I was sitting here at my computer desk waiting for a screen to load when I noticed a pic I have hanging next to the monitor. It's a printout of the pic of Gerry Gerry Gerry playing the dual-neck guitar and wearing the infamous pink bib overalls. I got to thinking that even though I'm not big on bidding on memorabilia, I sure would be interested in those (luscious) overalls. Now that would be an auction!!

Message: 26282 Posted: Wed Feb 12 08:46:12 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: View From The Hotel Window - San Salvador Again

Gerry is still in San Salvador, El Salvador. Click here to see the view from his other hotel window.

Message: 26281 Posted: Wed Feb 12 08:41:29 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Honored MP3's

In 1999 John Corbett created a couple of CD's which he titled "America Honored - Volumes 1 and 2". For a limited time he made them available to purchase and a couple of times since then he has made limited copies. The other day I received a request from one of our Latin fans for these CD's so I created MP3 versions of all 31 songs and uploaded them to the America Fans web site. I decided to let all of you know about them in case you wanted to download and/or listen to them. They'll probably be available for about a week.

You can read about these albums by going to the following links:

America Honored Volume 1
America Honored Volume 2

To download and/or listen to the songs, click on the links below:

America Honored Volume 1
Track 1
Track 2
Track 3
Track 4
Track 5
Track 6
Track 7
Track 8
Track 9
Track 10
Track 11
Track 12
Track 13
Track 14

America Honored Volume 2
Track 1
Track 2
Track 3
Track 4
Track 5
Track 6
Track 7
Track 8
Track 9
Track 10
Track 11
Track 12
Track 13
Track 14
Track 15
>Track 16
Track 17

Message: 26280 Posted: Wed Feb 12 07:55:49 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: Jackson B

Saw JB do "Barricades of Heaven" and others during his 1 hour Austin City Limits show from last November. He also did "Fountain of Sorrow" which was mighty fine. I liked "Culver Moon" very much. Be sure and give us a ringside account of happenings at the concert. That would be a good pairing, JB & America. Especially, if he would help do "Hat Trick". That would be worth Eagles prices to see that show. Have the V8 Supercars turned it on yet? Will be anxious to see the results. Go Marcus Ambrose!!!!!!!!!!

All the world was shining from those hills
The stars above and the lights below
Among those there to test their fortunes and their wills
I lost track of the score long ago

Pages turning
Pages we were years from learning
Straight into the night our hearts were flung
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of Heaven where I’m from

Childhood comes for me at night
Voices of my friends
Your face bathing me in light
Hope that never ends

Pages turning
Pages torn and pages burning
Faded pages, open in the sun
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of Heaven where I’m from.
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of Heaven where I’m from.

Barricades of Heaven - JB

Message: 26279 Posted: Wed Feb 12 07:38:24 2003 By: holiday
Subject: Re: Jackson B

Hey red oak, and others, I am looking forward to seeing JB here on the West Coast of Oz, under the stars of Kings Park, Perth on Feb 23. I kind of rediscovered how good a songwriter Jackson really is throughout the '90's when he continued to bring out great albums (I'm Alive, Looking East). Although I share the thought that his Running On Empty was a peak album, some '90's songs such as 'Barricades Of Heaven' are right up there with my favourites. Earlier favourites for me are 'Before The Deluge' and 'Fountain Of Sorrow' from 'Late for the Sky'
I was wondering if anyone has seen Jackson and America on the same show - I understand they did some tours together - in the '70's? Question - Who opened - JB or our guys?

Now for you and me it may not be that hard to reach our dreams
But that magic feeling never seems to last
And while the future's there for anyone to change
Still you know it seems
It would be easier sometimes to change the past

Fountain Of Sorrow ..... JB

Message: 26278 Posted: Wed Feb 12 06:25:48 2003 By: hekawi25
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne

i was in college when the "running on empty" album came out and it remains my favorite. i always listen in the song "you love the thunder" for the part when the drummer misses a beat and hits the metal rim. oh, i've ruined the song for everbody. sorry. anybody remember that on "mork and mindy" there was a framed album cover of "running on empty" on their wall?! thought that was cool. saw jackson live in '78 at the university of south carolina (my alma mater) he performed "unplugged", just him and david lindley (no band)the show was a benefit for no-nukes. (the state of SC was once one of the leading receivers of nuclear waste dumping. last year when the governor threatened to lie down in the road to prevent a shipment of nuclear waste from entering the state, i thought back on that concert and smiled!)

Message: 26277 Posted: Wed Feb 12 05:32:13 2003 By: kimcabrina
Subject: Panama Pic Update

My sister just got back from TDY in Saudi Arabia and finally got a chance to look at the Panama pictures. This is what she had to say...

"Yep - the round building is the OLD Holiday inn.....hasn't Punta Paitilla really developed. Believe it or not but he took the picture in a hotel. The hotel he's in was built IN THE WATER and it's about 30 stories high. Part of it is a hotel and the other part are
privately owned apartments at over $1million a pop! You had to be INVITED to buy there! If you were taking the same picture but turned around the causeway, Ancon hill etc would be behind you.....yep now I'm home sick too!!"

I chuckled about her "believe it or not he took it from a hotel" she is obivously not aware of the the VFTHW pics!


Message: 26276 Posted: Wed Feb 12 05:19:51 2003 By: Moser
Subject: ***Snow Day***

After a winter season of over 110 inches of snowfall, the kids are finally enjoying their first snow day of the school year. You could say they're a little bit psyched.

Message: 26275 Posted: Wed Feb 12 05:03:32 2003 By: Nina
Subject: Re: Kitty update

Hi Alan...Tell Dan that I'm rooting for his pet! We've had a few conversations at concerts and I tease him mercilessly about his "metalhead" music; but all in all he's one nice kid! My best to you and family.

AND...regarding "long johns"...I'm just trying to keep our boys frostbite free!

Message: 26274 Posted: Tue Feb 11 20:32:02 2003 By: Cindy
Subject: Re: Kitty update

Alan...thanks for the update on Kitty and Dan. I am a kitty person myself, (Spookie and Pumpkin) so I've been thinking about them!

Message: 26273 Posted: Tue Feb 11 19:52:49 2003 By: Sergio
Subject: Re: Kitty update

What a great story! I have two cats and have had cats all my life. A couple of them had tragic endings, so I am really glad for Dan that "Kitty" will be coming out of this ok. Since fate has given "Kitty" a second chance, perhaps its time to give her a real name, in honor of our favorite group, may I suggest "Daisy Jane" or just plain Daisy!

Message: 26272 Posted: Tue Feb 11 19:20:01 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: Kitty, Magazine Article, This and That

Alan, I'm also glad that Kitty is doing OK. I have a 16 year-old cat who had the tip of his tail accidentally slammed in the door a couple weeks ago. He's doing fine after a couple visits to the vet, and really got off easy compared to Kitty.

Nancy, what is this about a remote location live show? Fill us in on any more details you might know about this. The pictures your son took are cool. What an interesting perspective.

Jason, thanks for sharing that neat magazine article with us.

I've also really enjoyed all the beautiful sunrise and sunset pictures everyone has been posting. I've saved a lot of them.

Gerry, your picture of San Salvador is really pretty too. I've also saved a lot of your pictures and use some of them as wallpaper on my computer.

Message: 26271 Posted: Tue Feb 11 18:16:26 2003 By: Alan
Subject: Brad Palmer

From the sound of the most recent posts on the subject of BP, I gather that no one has come out w/ an official statement on what's become of him, if it's permanent or temporary, etc.

Johnny came up w/ the speculation that maybe he was scaring too many kids (tongue-in-cheek, of course - making reference to a comment someone else had made last year on the chat folder).

Well, I have my own speculation as to what happened. I'll bet Gerry & Dewey threatened to add "Muskrat Love" back on to the playlist! (LOL).

Message: 26270 Posted: Tue Feb 11 18:10:38 2003 By: Alan
Subject: Jackson Browne

I too am an avid Jackson Browne fan, but mostly like his older stuff (although I have all the later stuff, too). I feel that his albums up to (and including) Running On Empty contain his most heartfelt lyrics. Hold Out seemed to mark a shift in his music that I can't relate to like I can those early songs.

Someone mentioned Song For Adam - one of my favorites. Does anyone know if this song was written about a real person that JB knew? I've always wondered about that. It sure sounds like the song was written as a way of dealing w/ the suicide of a close friend, not just a ficticious story.


Message: 26269 Posted: Tue Feb 11 17:52:35 2003 By: Alan
Subject: Kitty update

I just talked to Dan on the phone. Kitty made it through the surgery just fine. She has not gotten up on her own yet so she can't come home just yet. The vet wants to keep her for a few more days until she gets her strength back and starts getting up and around. Dan's doing much better as well - and still listening to America music as often as he can. Thanks for all the great responses. When I finally got ahold of Dan I said "I'm dying to find out how Kitty is doing - and so does everyone on the America Fans Chat Folder". He was touched that so many people that don't even know him would care about his cat.

As someone mentioned, the vet bill is going to be expensive. The surgery alone was $125 (which is probably quite cheap compared to other parts of the country). Then you start adding in emergency off-hours care, boarding of the cat for several days, medications, etc - I wouldn't be surprised if it is well over $500 - not easy for a college student working part-time, but he feels it is well worth it even though the cat is old and probably only has a couple more years to live. Hopefully the vet will set up a payment plan with him.

Thanks again for all the concern and interest!


Message: 26268 Posted: Tue Feb 11 17:14:04 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: View From The Hotel Window

Gerry is in San Salvador, El Salvador today. Click here to see the view from his hotel window.

Message: 26267 Posted: Tue Feb 11 16:33:11 2003 By: Lass
Subject: Re: Cat Story, '72 Article and other stuff

Alan ~ thanks for sharing the story about your brother Dan and Kitty. I hope Kitty is on her way to recovery.
Jason ~ great article, thanks for sending it in for all of us to read!!!
Nina ~ you tickled me with your post about Dewey & Gerry wearing their long johns Mass (what a visual image)
Mo ~ since you keep reminding us that you are going to see the guys in concert in 2 weeks you had better take lots of pics and give us a full report when you come back for those of us who can't go.

Message: 26266 Posted: Tue Feb 11 13:18:47 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Culver Moon

to see Angelyne go to

Message: 26265 Posted: Tue Feb 11 12:57:37 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: Culver Moon

Tx Robin for the info. That helps immensely.........

Culver Moon - Jackson Browne

I live in a small town . . . deep in LA
About five miles north of where the Lakers play
Everybody here’s from someplace else
Working all together just like Santa’s elves

Baby, Culver me
And I’ll Culver you
When the streets are shining with the smoggy dew
When the lights are glowing with the mists of June
And the whole world is lit up by the Culver Moon

Baby don’t worry ’bout Angelyne
She ain’t the prettiest thing I’ve ever seen
Nothing she wears ever fits her right
And her complexion is just a little too tight
And the way she looks down from so high above
Makes me think the poor child’s never been in love

Message: 26264 Posted: Tue Feb 11 12:22:26 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Culver Moon

I had to laugh.

Culver Moon is about Culver City, a suburb of LA kind of near LAX.

The Strange references you might be wondering about.

"Angelyne" is a failed actress, who took out bill board adds. She has no talent. She looks like a low rent version of Pamela Aderson. If I can find her web page, I'll post the url for you red.

Fedco, a defunct membership store. You had to work for the government to be a member ( yes I was)

405 is the San Diego Freeway, runs through Culver City

Chippendales, was located in CUlver City, sort of indicative of the sort of industry that is Culver City.

Hope that helps red.

Message: 26263 Posted: Tue Feb 11 12:09:48 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne / America '72 article

There is one awesome song writer!!!!!!!!!!! I really like LoadOut/Stay off the Running on Empty cd. Makes sense that his mother was an English teacher, him being a poetic songwriter. Nice to be able to understand the lyrics in his songs. But, what the hell is Culver Moon really about? You people in Australia & Europe are lucky to have him touring in ur area.

Here comes old Rosie she's looking mighty fine
Here comes hot Nancy she's steppin' right on time
There go the street lights bringin on the night
Here come the men faces hidden from the light
All through the shadows they come and they go
With only one thing in common
They got the fire down below

Fire Down Below - Bob Seger

Message: 26262 Posted: Tue Feb 11 11:26:01 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne / America '72 article

R Jacksson Browne. He is sort of a local boy, his mom used to teach English at the high school ( the one my dh went to not the one I did)she used his songs and those of his brother Severin as part of her lesson plan. Years later, one of the bands I worked for played with Severin Browne. Nice guy good musician.

and I did not creit the lyrics yesterday ( my bad) They were by the late Lowell George. One of my favorite songs of his. After his death, his friends had a benefit/tribute concert. Nicolette Larson sang "Trouble" and dedicated it to his children ( he had two I believe.- a son and a daughter.)

Message: 26261 Posted: Tue Feb 11 10:29:05 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Re: Breaking News Article, Cat Story & Other Pop/Duo

Hi there Everyone ~~~ Chilly fingers reporting here from PA ~~ LOL! We awoke to a fresh new blanket of snow, and a DejaVous winterwonderland, but 1 good thing the little birds were out and singing out their hearts ~~ Nice ~~ Sing it little chick-a-dee deeee :)
Thanks Jason ~~ I enjoyed reading that news article, wow this a a pic from the early days for sure! Soo neat how they mentioned Dirt Pit Manor in this article in a roundabout way.... Thanks for sharing it with us... Keep on enjoying your Jackson Browne songs... and please let us know all about the show after you see it Ok????

Awwwww Alan ~~~ Ooooooh what a sad story about your cousin and his Kitty ~~ I sure hope the Kitty will have a complete recovery. ~~ I give your cousin a big Thumbs Up on his choice of music to help him through this Heartbreaking time.... Sooo neat that he put it on over the loudspeaker system, that had to sound Breathtakenly Awesome! Thanks for sharing this story with us...

WOW! Johnny ~~ That is great news hearing that Hall & Oats will be on Live by Request... I will have to tape it for sure. I too would love to see Gerry & Dewey do a Live By Request. ~~~ Hmmm that reminds me... Erin Edwards if by chance you read this ~~ How are the arrangements coming along for that possible Remote Location Live Show coming along???? Have you decided on the remote location yet? Please let us know when you know more info about this ~~ Thanks! :)

Ooooooh Jimmmmm (bob) ~~ Thanks for sharing your memories of seeing Jackson Browne... sounds like a very relaxing concert setting. Nice ;)

Hi Robyn ~~ Nice to see you post some song lyrics... you sure do know alot about Jackson Browne... Neat!

Hi Nina ~~ You brought a chuckle to my day.... seeing you say to Gerry & Dewey be sure and bring their long johns when they come to Mass. in 2 weeks.... it was fun picturing them in their long johns ;) Wow you and Mo will be seeing them in no time at all, I will be heading out to my son's college IUP in 49 days.... surely by then we will be having some springlike weather ~~ I hope sooo!

Good One Bruce ! :)

Well I gotta go, enjoy the rest of your day all! Nancy :)

~~~ Just a song before I go, to whom it may concern, traveling twice the speed of sound its easy to get burned, when the shows were over, we had to get back home, when we opened up the door I had to be alone, she helped me with my suitcase, she stands before my eyes, driving me to the airport, and to the friendly skies, going through the security I helllld her for soooo long.... she finally looked at me with Love and she was gone... Just a song before I go, a lesson to be learned, traveling twice the speed of sound, its easy to get burrnnnnned ~~~ Sing it CSN&Y ;) :)

Message: 26260 Posted: Tue Feb 11 10:08:31 2003 By: Jason Smith
Subject: Jackson Browne / America '72 article

Thanks people for confirming the story behind Jackson Browne's OF MISSING PERSONS. I'll let you know what the London concert is like in due course. For the record, Jackson Browne's 1st album (sometimes known as "Saturate Before Using") is my fav. If anyone out there hasn't heard it then check it out. As well as the hits DOCTOR MY EYES and ROCK ME ON THE WATER there's fantastic songs like SONG FOR ADAM, SOMETHING FINE and Jackson's best ever MY OPENING FAREWELL.

I hope you all enjoy the old 1972 article Steve's just featured. Anyone know anything about the "lost material" mentioned. Bizarre to think there may have been lyrics and music lost back in 1972.


Message: 26259 Posted: Tue Feb 11 06:16:22 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Breaking news...

Great America article, Jas! Thanks for sending it to Steve and thanks Steve for posting it for us to read.

Message: 26258 Posted: Tue Feb 11 05:10:47 2003 By: Moser
Subject: NY Daily News

The sunrise was nicer today with blues, pinks, and purples. The sun is shining but to little avail since the temp is zero. I have the Nancy Syndrome which is frozen typing fingers. The school bus was late. Not the best day to stand out there and wait hence the frozen fingies. 17 days....

Message: 26257 Posted: Tue Feb 11 05:06:49 2003 By: Nina
Subject: Re: Gerry's View of Hotel Room/Mexico City

Gerry & Dewey....Enjoy it while you can! It's 8 degrees here in Massachusetts...where YOU'LL be in two weeks!!! (Be sure to wear your long johns!)

Message: 26256 Posted: Mon Feb 10 21:29:42 2003 By: Vic
Subject: A really neat America story

Alan, wonderful story. Keep us informed about Kitty's recovery.

Bruce, Kitty hurt her legs/Daddy lost his pay/Dewey broke his wrist/ Gerry wrote "Another Try"

"Pick up the telephone
Tell him you want him home..."

Message: 26255 Posted: Mon Feb 10 20:05:28 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Cat Story

FWIW - I got it Bruce.

Message: 26254 Posted: Mon Feb 10 20:04:54 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Breaking news...

Back on February 6, Jason posted message #26178 about a Disc & Music Echo article which I just posted on the America Fans web site. Click here to read the article and see the photos that came with it. Thanks Jason for sharing it with us.

Message: 26253 Posted: Mon Feb 10 19:36:23 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Cat Story

Got it, Bruce! That was catty. Just kiddin'. It was funny. Glad you gave it "Another Try". :0)

Message: 26252 Posted: Mon Feb 10 19:33:17 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: The America Tour Jacket

The bidding just ended on the America tour jacket on eBay. It had 7 bids from 3 different bidders. It sold for $256.11. It appears that the winner was willing to go even higher since he/she had 2 bids placed that weren't surpassed by the runner-up bidder.

The highest bid item I've ever seen on eBay for an America item was a little over $600, I believe, and it was for GERRY, GERRY, GERRY's black and white bass guitar which he autographed and wrote "Horse With No Name" under his name!!!

Message: 26251 Posted: Mon Feb 10 19:31:25 2003 By: Bruce David Martin
Subject: Cat Story

OK Johnny, of course after I hit "post" I regretted it! "Another Life", "Another Try" get it now?

Message: 26250 Posted: Mon Feb 10 19:22:30 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Cat Story

Bruce ~ Jonny Cat didn't get it. My fault.

Message: 26249 Posted: Mon Feb 10 19:16:01 2003 By: Bruce David Martin
Subject: Cat Story

I e-mailed the cat story to my wife, who is not a big America fan, but I'll bet it touches her. She is, after all, a Veterinarian! Eighteen is old for a cat, and it's great that Kitty will get "Another Life". ("Hey, Kitty just hurt her legs...") (I just couldn't resist that one, but if no one gets it it's my fault! =)

Message: 26248 Posted: Mon Feb 10 19:11:34 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: That Other Blonde & Dark Haired Rock/Pop Duo

Great news for those Hall and Oates fans among us here. They will be on March 24th's "Live By Request". Wish it were D&G instead, but H&O would be really good.

Vic ~ What a beautiful sunrise!

Nancy ~ Cloud 9!

Alan ~ I have a similar story about a homing pigeon I had named Red (not unlike Dewey's pigeon, Fred) but to be told some other day. Perhaps "Kitty" should have a name change to Elvis because of the pelvis. Then again, maybe not. :0)

Message: 26247 Posted: Mon Feb 10 18:24:21 2003 By: Bones
Subject: Re: A really neat America story

Hate to see the Vet bill on that cat, Alan.

Message: 26246 Posted: Mon Feb 10 18:23:16 2003 By: Cindy
Subject: Re: A really neat America story

Thank you Alan, for telling us Dan's story. I wasn't sure at first I could make it to the end, I wanted it to have a happy ending!! Thank goodness for Dan and Kitty, it did. Sometimes when I need to "heal" from a particularly tough day, I turn down the lights and listen to my favorite music with always helps. Tell Dan to hang in there til Kitty comes home!!

Message: 26245 Posted: Mon Feb 10 18:01:01 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: A really neat America story

Awesome story Alan! Thanks for sharing it with us.

Message: 26244 Posted: Mon Feb 10 17:05:13 2003 By: jimbob
Subject: Jackson Browne

Jackson Browne is in Auckland, NZ, at present for a show. He was interviewed on our TV news Sunday night. I saw him here in '86 I think it was, for an afternoon concert that also had Neil Young and Graham Nash performing. He did some songs with Nash which was great and I was waiting for Young to join them or at least play with Nash, but he didnt. Instead he came out with just his accoustic and went through a set of his old hits. There werent a lot of people there, considering the size of the venue, and being a huge CSN&Y fan, I remeber laying back on the grass and thinking it doesnt get much better than this!

Message: 26243 Posted: Mon Feb 10 16:35:20 2003 By: Alan
Subject: A really neat America story

I will apoligize in advance for this very long post, but I think this is a really neat story and I think fellow America fans will appreciate it.

Some of you may recall my mentioning some time ago my brother-in-law Dan who loves heavy metal - especially Metallica - and how I made him a convert to America's music. (He also loves classical music and is going to school and learning classical guitar - his musical tastes are quite varied to say the least). His 3 favorite bands/artists are (in a 3-way tie) Metallica, America and Bach!

Anyway, I got his permission to share this story. Dan is assistant manager at a local supermarket and was heading in to open the store yesterday morning when he backed over his cat. This cat (known simply as "kitty") has been his best friend and companion for the last 18 years. When he realized what he had done, he was absolutely hysterical and didn't know what to do. He went back into the house and called our place. I answered the phone and knew right away that something was very wrong from the tone of his voice. Without going into all the gory details, he had run over the cat's back legs and with just his front legs, the cat managed to drag herself back into the house, bleeding all over the place. He had no idea what to do so called us. We were in the middle of getting ready for church and I had just stepped out of the shower. I knew right away he needed someone to come help him deal w/ things and try to see if the cat was going to need a vet or just to be put out of his misery. I sent my wife since she was dressed and I wasn't, while I made phone calls to arrange for the other assistant manager to open the store for him (the manager was out of town), then tried to find a vet that had emergency hours. It looked like the nearest place was an hour away and we weren't sure the cat was going to make it that long, but he and my wife took the cat to his vet, whose clinic is attached to her house. The place was closed w/ a sign that referred people to the emergency clinic an hour away, like all the other vets in town did. But he knocked on her door and she was home and agreed to look at the cat. She said the next 24 hours would tell whether or not the cat would make it. With the cat in the vet's care, Kay Sue (my wife) took Danny home. He decided to go to work to keep his mind occupied and on the way out the door he decided to grab the Grand Cayman CD (which Kay and I got him for Christmas and he absolutely loves) and take it with him. He had NEVER even thought about taking music w/ him to work before but he just had this feeling it might help.

Sure enough, he got to work and despite his keeping busy w/ work, he couldn't get Kitty out of his mind. His co-workers had become very concerned. Well, when he went up to the office to do payroll, he put GC in the boom box and started listening to it. Immediately he started to calm down and take his mind off his cat. He described the music as "very healing" and felt that this is what got him through the rest of the day. While in the office, the cashiers kept coming up to check on him to make sure he was OK and several of them remarked what good music it was he was listening to. After the store closed, he disconnect the muzac box and put GC on the PA system in the store and listened to it again while closing. One of the stockers asked Dan who was doing that music and commented on how great it sounded.

That evening, the vet called and said it looked promising for his cat and she had pretty much ruled out any internal injuries, but she would have to do X-Rays the next morning to see what was broken. she thought it was just the pelvis, but the spinal cord might be damaged as well, in which case there was nothing to do for her. Danny breathed a small sigh of relief but still had to wait for the X-Rays to know for sure.

This morning, the vet called w/ good news - although badly broken and required extensive surgery, it was just the pelvis. The spinal cord was fine. She also told Dan that she was the toughest old cat she had ever seen and should make it through the surgery just fine.

So, with the help of concerned family, friends, co-workers and a band called America, Dan was able to get through 2 very rough days. Thank you Dewey and Gerry!


p.s. By way of tribute to Hank Linderman, the producer, Dan commented to me the other day on how amazed he is at the quality of sound of the GC CD. He feels it is the best quality Live recording he has ever heard and is better quality than many studio CDs he has listened to.

Message: 26242 Posted: Mon Feb 10 13:22:27 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne Question

My favorite of his is "The Pretender" I also liked his Live album "Running on Empty" the unusual concept of releasing a live album of previously unrelesed songs was brilliant. Most live albums read like a greatest hits rehash.

and regarding Lowell George. He died of a drug overdose on June 29th 1979, that is why the lyric says "You can sing this song on July the fourth" His "Thanks I'll eat it here" is a great addition to any collection.

"You yelled Hey! when the stove blew up
upset, why yes
now the footprints on your ceiling
they're almost gone
andy ou wonder why
oh mama lay your head down
don't you cry
'cause your eyes are tired
and your feet are too
and you wish the world
was as tired as you.


Message: 26241 Posted: Mon Feb 10 12:38:12 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: VFTHW Pic ~~~ Thanks Steve L !

Me Again ~~ Wow that was fast Steve, thanks for posting my sky pics, we really had some Majestic clouds in the sky that summer..... they looked like Icebergs in the sky, they took on all shapes and sizes and they were enormous.

Neat sunrise pics ~~~ Thanks for posting them here as well, I had saved them and Steve's tropical sunrise to my files back when you sent them to me in an email.... They sure are spectacular pics. All of these neat sky pics are helping to chase away the Snow cloud blues! Thanks !

Hi Gerry ~~~ Wow this is a Mysterious pic.... what is that Genie shaped shadow in the sky.... it kinda has an orange glow about it, could it be the sunrise shining through a break in the clouds casting a shadow over the landscape???? Looks like a nice setting there in Mexico City, that is one big Concert arena..... Safe traveling, I'm sure all of the AMERICA fans are enjoying getting to have you come to their parts of the world. Did you check out my son's pics of the summer sky, he too managed to capture the rainbow hues in the sky by accident....

Hi Kim ~~~ Thanks for sharing a bit of Panama's setting history with us. Even though it brought feelings of homesickness to you, I am sure you enjoyed getting to see pics from your old stomping grounds. It looks like a nice City!

Hi Jerey ~~~ Sorry I had wanted to answer your remark about Dan's song Carry On in my last post..... Hmmm Yes I can hear the older AMERICA days sound in a couple of his songs from Guitar Man ~~ definitely Carry On, and The Hill and also Sharkey's Song too.... I like the songs alot, it will be nice to hear Guitar Man 2 when he is finished with it as well. ~~ I love his song Chelsea's Song ( Missing You) from his Boddentown CD.... once I listen to that song I just gotta listen to it over and over for sure! Nice hearing from you, it has been awhile! :)

Thanks Red for the ooooh soo neat song lyrics.... I just love that song Stormy ~~ sooo nice! :) See ya all, Nancy :)

~~~ Not a soul in sight, in my dream tonight, its gonna be alright World of Light, from the southern skies, to the children's eyes, through an endless night, this world of light, rain falls over the world of light, people rushing to the holy site, sidewalks sizzle in a summer night of loveeeeee ~~ come on baby hold me tight, everything's gonna be alright, I can't wait for the morning light to comeeeeeee, its like a silver sand running through my hand, running out of time, this world of light .... Sing it Gerry & Dewey ~~~ it is nice to know we are all under the same Big Sheltering Sky tooo! Take care! :)

Message: 26240 Posted: Mon Feb 10 12:24:05 2003 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne Question

I think "Hold out" is one of Browne's better LP's and I have most of them. "Boulevard" and "that girl could sing" were the hits,and of the LP cuts,I like "Disco Apocalypse" and "Hold on hold out." There were only 7 songs on the LP,but I do rank that as one of my Top 100 favorites of all time(not counting Compilations,Best of's etc)

Message: 26239 Posted: Mon Feb 10 11:41:29 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: View From The Hotel Room - Mexico City

Gerry is in Mexico City, Mexico today. Click here to see the view from his hotel window.

Message: 26238 Posted: Mon Feb 10 11:08:45 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Jackson Browne Question

It's for Lowell George, lead singer for Little Feat.

Message: 26237 Posted: Mon Feb 10 10:57:54 2003 By: Jason Smith
Subject: Jackson Browne Question

I've recently been re-aquainting myself with Jackson Browne's back catalogue of albums ready for his concert in London next month. Although I'm a big fan of certain songs and albums, like most artists there's always a few that don't hit the mark.

One such is Jackson's album Hold Out from 1980. However, having given it a recent listen I've discovered at least one gem within - a song called OF MISSING PERSONS. This song appears to be about a singer or musican that's died and Jackson is singing the song for the daughter as way of an eulogy. I don't suppose anyone knows who this is about? I'd love to know.



PS: If you haven't heard this song its great and well worth tracking down. Shame I didn't spot that 4 years ago when I originally bought the album!

Message: 26236 Posted: Mon Feb 10 09:59:17 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: Nancy's Sky Photos

Is that like "Having your head in the clouds"? Nice shots there Nancy, and Vic those were awesome pics from Arizona. Those are how our Colorado sunrises look usually. Keep em coming.

You were the sunshine, baby, whenever you smiled
But I call you Stormy today
All of a sudden that ole rain's fallin' down
And my world is cloudy and gray
You've gone away
Oh Stormy, oh Stormy
Bring back that sunny day

Classics IV

Message: 26235 Posted: Mon Feb 10 09:55:48 2003 By: kimcabrina
Subject: Panama Panorama & Homesick!!!

Gerry, thanks for the great pics of Panama! What a neat trip down memory lane --I am totally homesick for Panama now. If I remember correctly, the buildings sitting on that little bit of land jutting out into the Pacific is Patilla Point. I also think I can make out the Holiday Inn where we used to go after dances. The hotel is round and there was a piano bar on the top floor with a wonderful view of the ocean and city and there was a casino below. (I'm pretty sure it's the shorter round building in the center of the photo-but it's kind of hard to tell as the land was still pretty much undeveloped when I left 20+ years ago). In case ya'll were wondering, there wasn't a legal drinking or gambling age in Panama.

The panaroma pic is wonderful too. I am pretty sure you got a picture of the causeway. It is on the right side of the picture and it is those three little islands off in the distance. I'm printing copies of the pictures to show my Mom and I'm sure she'll be able to point out some more landmarks for me as she didn't leave until 1999.

Hope you all got to see some great sights while you were there!


Message: 26234 Posted: Mon Feb 10 09:53:54 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Nancy's Sky Photos

Click on the links below to see Nancy's cool photos. Both photos were taken by her son, Nathan, who was 6 years old at the time.

Neat Sky Angle Picture
Looks As Though Daughter Laura Can Touch This Awesome Cloud

Message: 26233 Posted: Mon Feb 10 09:21:06 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Vic's Sunrises

Click on the following links to see Vic's awesome sunrises:

Sunrise #1
Sunrise #2

Message: 26232 Posted: Mon Feb 10 08:06:20 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Re: Grand Cayman CD & "Do It For Love"

Hi there Everyone ~~ Yes it is snowing here in PA again this morning..... Mo those sunrise pics you took could have been taken here as well.... we did have a little bit of blue skies yesterday, but back to those walls of grey snow clouds today. Thanks for sharing these with us!

Hi there Johnny ~~~ Nice to hear you got your Cayman CD, I know that unlike the Holiday Harmony it doesn't have any new stuff on, but it still is unique in it's own way.... after all I would have never gotten the chance to hear this if it weren't for Gerry & Dewey & Hank Lieberman releasing this on CD for us ~~ Thanks soo much to them! I love the Holiday Harmony for all of it.... it is definitely new stuff, and I won't grow tired of listening to either of these. Yes I too like Daryll Hall & John Oates song "Do It For Love" ~~~ Hmmmm I am wondering just what Dan will be adding to his Bio! :)

Hi Steve O ~~ Yes I have always been a fans of Hall & Oates... I am particularly fond of the song Forever for You off of this new CD it sure has some nice lyrics in it ~~~~ Can anyone turn back the hands of time, bring back the loving in your eyes, when they ask me how long I'm gonna love you, if the road to my heart will always stay true, I'll say forever, I'll say forever for you ~~~ A rose is a rose by any name, but a thorn will still cut you just the same, I know that I'm losing your love it's true, somebody is taking it away, when they ask me if I will always remain true, when they can't see me and you the way that I do, I'll say forever, I'll say forever, Yeah ~~ Forever for You ~~ I do love you ~~ Sing it Hall & Oates, I may not have gotten the lyrics down exactly, but I doo love this song. ~~Steve have you heard the rest of the CD... when you do hear it, I would love to hear what you think of it. I also think that if this works for them, that if Gerry & Dewey were to have a new CD released they would do well also... :)

OOUCH ~~ That was ooooooh soo hard voting between All My Life & Young Moon yesterday.... I am Hoping & Rooting for a TIE between Young Moon & Hat Trick, Oooooh darn anyway, why can't all of the Elite songs win and let them be added to the playlist here and there..... that would work! :) A Girl's gotta try... doesn't she????? :)

Ciao Bruno ~~~ I'm glad you were able to get to the site via another route... I have a couple site addresses saved to my favorites and they have come in handy at times when I am having trouble getting here....

Hey there Red ~~ I have some neat pics that my kids took the other summer of these Magnificent Clouds in the ooh sooo blueyed sky..... my son took a pic at a very neat angle by accident and the pic turned out really neat... I will have to dig it up and send it into Steve to post for all of you to see..... Is Nelleybelle all Warmed up and ready to roll for the day? :) ~~ We will have to start calling you Curious Red!!!!!!

Hey there Jimmmmmmm ~~~ I hope you have a good week at work! ahhh summertime in NZ ~~ Enjoy! ;)

Hmmmm 50 more days to go..... Have a great day all, Nancy :)

~~~~~ First came the winter
And then came the morning
Bright coral branches that pass you again
Down from the meadow and onto the seashore
Came the vast checkerboard kingdom of men

~~~Ice on the pond, won't stay too long
Too thin to walk it today
Ice on the pond, something went wrong
Frost must be lost on the way

Evening is falling
The tree is a silhouette
As seen by the teddy bear
Watching his den

Spring came so quickly
That I did not see her
Just turn around
And she's coming again ~~~ Sing it Dewey ~~~~ Oooooooh Spring Hurry Up ~~ Hurry and come my way again! :)

Message: 26231 Posted: Mon Feb 10 07:28:37 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: Tick Tock

That is true, it may not be any of our business, and that is fine with me, if that's the way the cookie crumbles. But, if anyone can play inspector Clouseau and find out the answer, it's our beloved MO.
Sick em Mo!!!!!!!!

Okay, so you're Brad P
That don't impress me much
So you got the looks but have you got the touch
Don't get me wrong, yeah I think you're alright
But that won't keep me warm in the middle of the night
That don't impress me much
You're one of those guys who likes to shine his machine
You make me take off my shoes before you let me get in
I can't believe you kiss your car good night
C'mon baby tell me--you must be jokin', right!

Shania Twain

Message: 26230 Posted: Mon Feb 10 06:50:23 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Tick Tock

Red ~ I don't know about having Mo B. check-out why Brad is gone. Remember, she said to Dan C. that maybe it's not any of our business?

Message: 26229 Posted: Mon Feb 10 06:44:07 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: Tick Tock

Mo, thanks for the sunrise shots of your area. Maybe we should have a contest with everyone sending in their sunrise shots for voting. Since, you'll be going to a concert in 18 days, you will be the best hope for finding out what happened to Brad. Maybe you can get the answer out of Pete, Woodz, or someone else. Not that it's any of our business, but it is our business to know, as long as it's not too personal. So, you will be our best chance at finding out. Thanks again for sending in those shots. Hopefully, your snow will be gone before too long and replaced with flowers and green grass. Take care.

It's another tequila sunrise
Starin' slowly 'cross the sky said goobye
He was just a hired hand
Workin' on the dreams he planned to try
The days go by

Ev'ry night when the sun goes down
Just another lonely boy in town
And she's out runnin' 'round

She wasn't just another woman
And I couldn't keep from comin' on
It's been so long
Oh and it's a hollow feelin' when
It comes down to dealin' friends
It never ends

The Eagles(of course)

Message: 26228 Posted: Mon Feb 10 06:33:56 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Tick Tock

18 days to go!!!

Message: 26227 Posted: Sun Feb 09 19:45:00 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: "Do It For Love"

SteveO ~ I agree with you about "Marigold Sky." I, too, hope "Do It For Love" will be a good one. If it equals "MS," that would be very nice. The title track of their new release is definitely a great song in my opinion!

Message: 26226 Posted: Sun Feb 09 19:28:36 2003 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: Re: Grand Cayman CD

I'm also a Huge Hall & Oates fan,and "Do it for love" is getting alot of rave reviews. I thought 1997's "Marigold Sky" was one of their best efforts;I can only hope this new one lives up to the hype!

Message: 26225 Posted: Sun Feb 09 18:03:05 2003 By: PlayItLive
Subject: Re: Cinn. Concert

"The Louisville concert was on the 11th of Jan, and it too, was with the Louisville Pops orchestra. Unfortunately I did not get to attend that one."
Thanks Jerey, that explains my confusion!

Message: 26224 Posted: Sun Feb 09 17:30:00 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Grand Cayman CD

I recently ordered my copy of the "Grand Cayman" CD and received it about two weeks ago or so. It's great! I ordered it via CD Baby. Wow, the shipping was super-fast. Received it just a couple of days after I placed my order.

In the sales brochure that CD Baby sent along with the America CD was a Christmas CD by the Jimmy Calire Piano Trio called "Spirited Christmas". I would assume it's the same Jimmy/Jim Calire once associated with America.

A few months back, I asked which of the two new America CDs everyone preferred. The answer was basically that the two CDs are so different that it made it hard to compare. I can understand that but I'm more impressed with "Holiday Harmony" because of the new America-penned songs and hearing D&G sing songs we've never heard them sing before. Plus, the cool sounds of America songs intertwined with the traditional Christmas songs was/is incredible.

I look forward to Tuesday when Daryl Hall and John Oates' new CD, "Do It For Love," becomes available!

Message: 26223 Posted: Sun Feb 09 13:33:50 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: thanks to Steve and Johnny (Bruno)

You're most welcome, Bruno!

In case you all are wondering what Bruno's message is all about, he had a little trouble accessing this website today. I told Bruno to try going to Dan's site and then through Dan's links.

Message: 26222 Posted: Sun Feb 09 13:28:13 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: America Tour Jacket

That America tour jacket currently on eBay has 2 bids on it now with 2 days left to go. The current bid is $202.50. As I mentioned before, an OFFICIAL America tour jacket, the maroon varsity-type ones with gray leather sleeves, sold for a mere $50.00 back in May of last year. According to my notes, another official one sold back in November of 2001 for the price of $377.00!!! That one was previously owned by Hal Lazareff whose name can be found on the back of two America LPs, "Perspective" and "In Concert".

Message: 26221 Posted: Sun Feb 09 13:25:10 2003 By: bruno
Subject: thanks to Steve and Johnny

Thanks Steve and Johnny
I finded, for you, the compass to conctact this wonderful site
hi ciao all

Message: 26220 Posted: Sun Feb 09 09:13:33 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: The America Story

Cool, Jimbob and Nancy! Thanks for letting us know.

I was visiting Dan's website earlier this past week so the announcement of the upcoming episodes must have been posted just yesterday or the day before. Whenever it was, it's definitely good news for those of us who enjoyed Dan's past episodes.

Message: 26219 Posted: Sun Feb 09 09:03:16 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Sunrise Shots

Mo B ~ Nice sunrise photos.

Message: 26218 Posted: Sun Feb 09 07:52:22 2003 By: Jerey
Subject: Re: Cinn. Concert

PIL the Cincy concert was very good. The orchestra played on most every song. The guys played a toned-down concert, probably because the average age of the concert goer was around 80 (only a slight exaggeration). The Louisville concert was on the 11th of Jan, and it too, was with the Louisville Pops orchestra. Unfortunately I did not get to attend that one.

Bass player--Hope everything is well with Brad, but if he has left the band or has been asked to leave, in either case, I hope he does well in his endeavors. Peace, Hope, Blessings to him.

Dan Peek--America or no America, his new material is awesome. His contributions to the band were intangible. Is anyone else able to hear America in "Carry On" and other tunes on GM.

A thought on the new America material--I hope America revisits their past, not for another compilation, but in an attempt to find the disappearing bass line. If you listen to Tin Man or any of the earlier works the bass line is more prominent (Letter), but the bass line is much softer on the new material than it was in the past. I don't know if that has any bearing on the sales of the material, but the music was rated higher by the public at large during that time. Everything else is in place, maybe. And Please, NEW material!

Message: 26217 Posted: Sun Feb 09 07:11:55 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Sunrise Shots

Here are links to a couple of sunrise shots that Mo sent to me:

Photo #1
Photo #2

Message: 26216 Posted: Sun Feb 09 05:32:42 2003 By: PlayItLive
Subject: Cinn. Concert

Vic, Thanks for the info. I thought that concert was scheduled for around the 12th of last January, not October?? Anyway, I'll take a look. Thanks again.

Message: 26215 Posted: Sun Feb 09 02:05:51 2003 By: jimbob
Subject: The America Story

I see with interest Dan is giving us a few more episodes, starting Saturday! Thanks for pointing that out to me Nancy!

Message: 26214 Posted: Sat Feb 08 23:11:16 2003 By: Vic
Subject: Re: Cincinnatti Concert

Also, at, which you can get to by scrolling to the bottom of this page, containts several posts about the Cinci Concerts. There are several posts from Oct. 20, through Oct. 24.

Message: 26213 Posted: Sat Feb 08 21:51:38 2003 By: Vic
Subject: Re: Cincinnatti Concert

Go back to the archives. October 21, 2002, post 24638, by Jerey, should answer some of your questions.

Message: 26212 Posted: Sat Feb 08 18:55:56 2003 By: PlayItLive
Subject: Cincinnatti Concert

Hello All,
Can anyone tell me how the concert went with the Cinn. Symphony orchestra? I searched the archives and saw no report. I'm wondering how many songs the symphony participated in, and how it sounded. It would also be nice to know which songs they participated in. Thanks.


Message: 26211 Posted: Sat Feb 08 16:57:24 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Re: Purple Heart ~~ Inner Peace~~And a Little More!

Hi Everyone ~~ Gerry is singing Another Try in my headphones here right now...... now Mama don't start to cry.... let's give him another try.... I'm caught in a closing door... its pinning me to the flooor..... now Mama don't start to cry , let's give him another try...doododooddoodeeeeodoodoeeeeeeeedoooo.... when we're old and grey and the things we say are the things we never mean, so why cause a scene..... Sing it Gerry :)

Yes Jimnak ~~ Dewey sure is one Purple Heart Tin Man ~~ I admire and appreciate his Dedication. ~~~~~ Hat Trick is playing in my headphones now..... this is one great song from the good old days for sure! What A Classic, Magical Musical Masterpiece! Ahhhhhh ~~~~ Soooo Nice Memories for sure! I have to sing my favorite line ~~~~ just a little of nothing thats all the time you had the time to give, just alittle of nothing ain't gonna make it worthwhile for me.... if you'd only have listened you'd a heard every word I said.....just a little of nothing ain't gonna make it worthwhile for me..... lllalalallallaldalallaldadaddadadadaddadada.... just a little of nothing. just alittle of nothing.... just a little of nothing, just alittle of nothing... Play it Dan, Dewey & Gerry ~~~~ Newton on the roseberry topping, and its cold and its wet, and you feel like your bottled in time, living in the gap between the echoes, feeling it hot and feeling it cold, as long as there are fish in the sea, have a cup of tea..... as long as there are fish in the sea, have a cup of tea.... cause you are running from the ring of the golden bell, like a bat out of hell....... oooooooh I could sing the whole darn song for sure! :)

Yes Redddddddd ~~~ that ooooooh soooo nice feeling you get from Inner Peace.... Hmmmmm ~~~ Today I finished a Scrumptious Blueberry Muffin..... a ooooooh soooo Creamy Cucumber Salad & a Upside down Banana Split...... along with a Razzmatazz or 2.... ~~~ And Yes Oooooooooh Yes I am feeling good already.... Smiling from ear to ear!

Hey there Bones, Johnny, Vic, Jimmmmm, & Mo ~~ Regarding another round of Re Union votes..... I guess this is one thing that will always be the touchiest of all subjects here on the chat folder..... Sure there are more of Us that have been Fans from the very beginning, and have loved the Magic that was the Trio..... just the way our love stemmed from those days...... A Fan who's beginnings started with the Duo the Magic of these days..... Sooooo we can go around and around about this forever and ever..... and never get anywhere.... what is important is that we all are Fans Of AMERICA's ~~ just in different ways.... and To Each His Own applies here.... doesn't mean anyone is more right than the other.... Hmmmm Rainy Day is playing here in my headphones now..... this song is a perfect example of just how good those days were..... simply magnificent..... for sure ~~~~~ whenever it's a rainy day I pack my troubles up in my room, I chase all the clouds awaaaay, I get myself back toooo, but I know that you're gonna cry, tears are running from your eyes... the piece of my life you take is one that's sooo often greyyyyyy..... when everyone's away I think of you the way you are.... your shiny lips, your auburn hair, and then it don't seem quite soo far, well I know that you're gonna cry, tears are running from your eyes........ the piece of my life you take is one thats sooooo often grey.... well I know that you're gonna cry..... the piece of my life you take is one thats soo often grey......... Hmmmmmmm ~~~ I wonder, I really wonder just how different things would have been! ~~ Let's keep the nice Harmony here on the chat folder, let the best of all 3 Gerry, Dewey & Dan fill us up with all that they have to offer, and appreciate it for that, and let the rest be!

Hey there DanC ~~ did you have work today or are you enjoying your nice music today? Hmmmm it is something how we seem to be on the comp.... around the same times :)it sure has been awhile since the little yellow man has come on... are you still on the school board? How have your meetings been going? I bet you are getting a Hankerin to wear your Hawaiin shirt ~~ aren't you? :)

Enjoy the rest of the weekend all~~ Nancy :)

~~~~~ Belonging by David Gates is on here now ~~~ I wanted Love soo very bad, that I could almost taste it, and so I gave mine all to you, and hoped you would not waste it, I laid awake the whole night long and wondered was I wrong, but when you woke and touched my face, I knew that I belonged, Belonging to someone I find is very necessary.... Nice song ~~~ Sing it David Gates :) :) :)

Message: 26210 Posted: Sat Feb 08 15:41:38 2003 By: Dan
Subject: Re: New Material

into the wine again, mo???lol,DanC.

Message: 26209 Posted: Sat Feb 08 14:06:28 2003 By: Bones
Subject: Re: Vic, You're Right

Maybe it's time for one of those fine Re-Union debates again. That's always good for 1 or 2 days.

Message: 26208 Posted: Sat Feb 08 13:06:02 2003 By: red oak
Subject: For those that agree to disagree

When life's little disagreements threaten to disrupt a good thing, I'm reminded of an old saying from my Grandma that made a whole lotta sense.

Finding Inner Peace
I am passing this on to you because it is definitely
working for me....
I think I have found inner peace:

I read an article that said the way to achieve
inner peace
is to FINISH things I had started.
Today I finished a bag of potato chips, a cherry
a fifth of Jack Daniel's, and a small box of chocolate

I feel better already.

Love and peace, right Nancy? :):):):)

Message: 26207 Posted: Sat Feb 08 10:12:03 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Purple Heart for Dewey

Ohhh, Oz never did give nothin' to the Tin Man writer
That he didn't, didn't already have

(Maybe not 'purple' but definitely a great heart!)

Message: 26206 Posted: Sat Feb 08 09:39:40 2003 By: jimnak
Subject: Purple Heart for Dewey

AMERICA is on their South American tour. For Dewey the show must go on as always. I suggest a Purple Musical Heart for his courage & will to perform under such duress. Those fotos of the recent shows look kind of painful, but as the audience said, sound is superb !
More power to Dewey, the spirit of a statesman !

Message: 26205 Posted: Sat Feb 08 08:40:26 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Vic, You're Right

<<I'm pretty sure without looking back through all of the posts that I was never rude to anyone except Dan Peek and Danae (and I think I'm already square with her.) So, you're right, I was rude and disrespectful to Dan Peek.>>

Mo ~ You were rude to at least one other. From your post #26057 dated 1-29-03:

<<If I've offended you tonight, sorry. I'm on a roll. And, frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn. Thank You, Mo>>

You've forgotten about ALL OF THE FANS HERE and especially those of us who are fans of Dan.

Message: 26204 Posted: Sat Feb 08 05:04:34 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Vic, You're Right

Vic, I really don't want to go point-counterpoint on who was rude to whom. I'm pretty sure without looking back through all of the posts that I was never rude to anyone except Dan Peek and Danae (and I think I'm already square with her.) So, you're right, I was rude and disrespectful to Dan Peek. Please accept my heartfelt apology for speaking disrespectfully.
This chat folder, if used in its purest form, is an excellent way to express and debate opinion. That is tainted when the debate turns away from fair discussion and toward personal commentary. I will take my own advice and hope that others will too.

Message: 26203 Posted: Fri Feb 07 23:48:04 2003 By: jimbob
Subject: Re: New Material

Vic, virtually everything you said in your last post, I agree with, right down to the photo at the top of the page(which I had thought about prior to reading your post). And likewise, seeing Gerry and Dewey in concert is the ultimate. In 1984, front row I didnt even think about Dan, nor last year in the 3 concerts in New Zealand. And Gerry and Dewey's autograph on my Martin guitar is a treasure that I cant imagine being beaten. But the fact is, that to most of us, hell, it must be all of us 'cept for moser, Dan is one third of the sound that blew us all away. Moser, you must be tongue in cheek here; surely you realise that your comments regarding Dan on this folder are misplaced. And,Moser I didnt think you rude for not emailing me. I did want to talk to you right then, but for reasons here couldnt.And it was nothing to do with Dan!

Message: 26202 Posted: Fri Feb 07 21:25:34 2003 By: Vic
Subject: New Material

Moser, I will admit that my last post was, more or less, directed at you, but I hardly consider it "slamming". Allow me to give you a couple of examples of "slamming": "Later Dude (Dan). Don't let the screen door hit you (DAN) on the way out". And: "I've read the Dan Peek "America Story" at the request of some fellow chatters. It is verbose and took almost a week for me to finally get through it. My "unglossed" opinion is it is the rantings of a delusional, insecure, paranoid, former addict with a HUGE axe to grind. I was surprised he didn't claim to be the biological father of Amy Grant. If music ever ceases to be a career path, I think the National Enquirer might like to employ someone of his caliber." Dan Peek is someone that I, and at least a few others, here on the chat folder, care a great deal about. You have spoken your mind, about Dan, with impunity, in the past. It wasn't until someone finally countered against your "jabs" at Dan, that you took offense. You refered to our defense of Dan, as "backlash" and "slamming". I'm not interested in changing your mind about Dan Peek, but look at the picture at the top of this page. I am greatful that Dewey and Gerry are AMERICA today. I will always defend and support them in any way I can. I saw them twice last year and will see them, at least, twice this year. At the same time, I will always remember, with great fondness, AMERICA that was Dewey, Gerry, and Dan.

Message: 26201 Posted: Fri Feb 07 18:24:53 2003 By: holiday
Subject: Re : New Material

Always be nice to your children too - after all, they'll be the ones who'll decide which old peoples' home to put you in later!!

Message: 26200 Posted: Fri Feb 07 17:30:46 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: New Material

Huh??? All I wanted to know was what America LPs/CDs you have (or don't have), Mo B. Instead, you posted what you did and failed to let us know something that's America-related. Sorry, I don't get it.

Message: 26199 Posted: Fri Feb 07 13:39:17 2003 By: Bones
Subject: Re: New Material

Not unless it's a shotgun wedding.

Message: 26198 Posted: Fri Feb 07 13:27:55 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Hmm ~~ Just here remembering this very day last Feb. :)

Hi Everyone ~~ Hey it is Friday.....time for another round of SNOW! ~~ Hmmm if only this snow would have been here last year at this time ~~ Why you all may be wondering.... well it was this very day last year that the Hubby & I headed up to Seven Springs ~~ I was filled with excitement, and walking on top of the world... Yes it was a year ago today that I got to see AMERICA ~~ Nice Memories for sure! ~~ I know I got sidetracked there... well if there would have been this snow there last year... the Hubby & I could've taken a Horse drawn sleighride through the trails around this lovely ski resort...... Ooooooh welll! ~~~ In 53 more days, I will be getting ready to go to IUP to seeeeee AMERICA ~~~ Yes Yes Yes ~~ :)

Thanks Steve L ~~ For sharing those ooooooh soooooo nice Pics of yours...I kinda fell asleep getting lost in the thought of that lovely island last night... Nice for sure! ~~~ Nice Pics Gerry of Panama tooooo ~~ That nice Blue Eyed sky was such a comfort to my ooooh sooo tired eyes from staying up too late the night before..... I love how your one pic has such a drawn out perspective.... add all of that with this song by Firefall ~~ and I was carried off to dream land ooooooh soo nice ~~~ Close your weary eyes and drift away, its allllright, I'll be here until the break of day brings a light... I can sing a lullabye they sang for me when I was just your size.... Just a little poem with a melody to shut those sleepy eyes.. wooo oooooh Singing Dolphins over the Ocean, where its clear and its Deep, help the waves with your gentle motion rock this child to sleeeep, rock this child too sleeeeep ~~~~ Play & Sing that oooooh soo nice relaxing song Firefall..... I love the aura that this song can surround me with.... :)

Yes Red ~~~ I tooo would love to be taken away to a certain Island for sure! Nice lyrics you posted there :) Regarding sunsets and sunrises.... I saw the sunrise on Saturday morning..... but no camera to capture it with... Have any of you heard that song that they are calling the song dedicated to the Columbia Astronauts, it is a 12 year old girl that sings it and one line in it says ~~~ I wish I could whistle a tune across the Northern Lights soo that you could hear it all through the heavens.... I am not sure of the exact words but this song is very touching indeed.... WOW!

Hi there Jason ~~~ Your breaking News caught my eye quickly... this is too much, that this really happened.... I hope you will have luck finding a pic of Dirt Pit Manor.... Neat that you collect old music magazines!

I gotta go for now.... Missy Maytag is up and running again... she is saying time to get this laundry caught back up again... and Halley Hoover vacuum is ready to do some big time dust busting.... I am feeling better ~~ about time! Hey everyone... have a great weekend! See ya, Nancy :) ~~~ Oooh Nooo Sunday the Songs to vote on will change again.... and it soon will get ooooooh sooo hard to vote.... Go Young Moon & Hat Trick I am soo hoping for a Tie! :)

~~~~~Wissssssh I could fall on a night like this, into your loving arms for a Moonlight kiss, I thought I saw your face in the evening sky on a lonesome cloud that was drifting by...... I wish I could fall on a night like this into your loving arms for a moonlight kiss..... you got someone else, maybe its for the best, since I took the cure for Happiness, and I would trade it all on a night like this for your loving arms and a moonlight kiss, I'd trade it all for your loving arms and a moonlight Kiss ~~ Oooh Yeah ~~ I got a Hankering to watch the movie Serendipity ~~~ Yes Yes Yes ~~ It's gonna be a Oooooh sooo nice weekend! ;) :) ;)

Message: 26197 Posted: Fri Feb 07 09:07:26 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: New Material

Lucky for us then, Bones, that we aren't forced to marry each other!!!

Message: 26196 Posted: Fri Feb 07 09:05:46 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: New Concert Date

It's on Long Island.

Message: 26195 Posted: Fri Feb 07 08:51:24 2003 By: Sheldon
Subject: New Concert Date

America has added a new date to the schedule: Saturday, July 19th in Farmingville, NY .. since I've never heard of that town I was wondering if any of you know what part of NY State it is in?? Thanks!!


Message: 26194 Posted: Fri Feb 07 08:43:24 2003 By: Bones
Subject: Re: New Material

Except for the pro-choice and smoking comment (I agree with you), you have every thing in a women I wouldn't want!!!!!!!!

Message: 26193 Posted: Fri Feb 07 07:03:43 2003 By: Nina
Subject: Re: New Material

Hey Moser...could you please send your children to my school? "Always be respectful to everyone" sounds awfully nice, doesn't it, fellow pedagogues?

Message: 26192 Posted: Fri Feb 07 07:01:30 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Breaking news... (Vic)

Vic ~ I think you and other fans like us who discovered America during the first several years of the band's existence know Dan as a wonderful musician. So, to know Dan, is to love Dan. It's one of those things where you have to have been there to understand. A person can't fully explain it to another fan who only discovered America as a duo. Plus, whatever conflict that was between Dan and Gerry is just that... between the two of them.

Message: 26191 Posted: Fri Feb 07 05:24:26 2003 By: Moser
Subject: New Material

In case you guys are getting bored with slamming me with the same old material, here's some new ammunition. I have voted for every Democratic Presidential candidate since I was 18 including Clinton both times. I am proud to call Hillary Clinton my U.S. Senator. I think G.W. Bush is pushing a war on Iraq to avenge the unfinished business of his father. I am pro-choice. I believe in equal rights for women and yet was a stay at home Mom until last September. I believe in evolution and creation--I'll explain it to you some time. I believe in marital fidelity; in teaching your kids not to drink before they're 21, smoke (ever), do drugs (ever), and to always be respectful to everyone. I don't believe in selling Girl Scout cookies, I'd rather make a cash donation. I believe that school vouchers are a sure way to muddle the line between church and state. I'm glad that Tom Ridge is the leader of homeland security 'cause he sucked as the governor of my home state. I like living in the Northeast and reserving the right to whine about it. I believe you have the right to think any thing you want about Dan Peek but it doesn't stand a chance of changing my mind, pretty much ever. That's why we live here in America--no pun intended. There go for it. It oughta be interesting.

Message: 26190 Posted: Fri Feb 07 04:25:28 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Deja Vu All Over Again

Sorry, people, for the deja vu post last night. I was sleepily taking my computer down and ended up reposting. I was too tired to set the record straight last night. Please forgive. Well, Red, "overcast days never turned me on" (to quote the artist formerly and presently known as Prince). No good sunrise this AM. You may be right about having so few opportunities in NY. Luckily we have some really nice pictures to enjoy anyway thanks to Janice, Steve, and Gerry, Gerry, Gerry. I have to add this disclaimer, too. Even if the sunrise is nice one of these days, the picture is just gonna be white otherwise with snow and more snow. In other words, don't hold your breath my friend. The beauty may not translate well. Maybe. Maybe not.
Oh, and one more thing, 21 days....

Message: 26189 Posted: Fri Feb 07 03:05:05 2003 By: Vic
Subject: Re: Breaking news...

<< <<...there's a nice little article about... the UK airport customs "dragging" them away and "charging" them for entering England without declaring their new guitars>>

Jas~Sounds EXACTLY like what Dan P told us all about in one of his bio episodes. I remember the words, "Top gear, top gear!">>

Johnny, I remember reading the same thing, from DAN'S
bio. As an original member of AMERICA, DAN that is, I will always love him, like a member of my own family, and appreciate his contribution to the band. Whithout DAN PEEK, in the begining, there would be no AMERICA today (DEWEY and GERRY, whom I also love and appriciate in the same way) something, SOME, not all, post 1977 fans, seem to fail to realize.

Message: 26188 Posted: Thu Feb 06 20:26:27 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: Panama Panorama

The tide has come in, the traffic is heavier, the shadows are longer, the buildings have a golden glow--it looks like it's almost sunset in Gerry's shot, too. Great panorama Gerry. Thanks. How'd you do that?
Steve: Thanks for the Hawaiian sunset shots. They're great. I'd like to jump into those pics right about now.
Sunrise, Sunset, I'm starting to feel like Tevye.

Message: 26187 Posted: Thu Feb 06 20:17:35 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Breaking news...

<<...there's a nice little article about... the UK airport customs "dragging" them away and "charging" them for entering England without declaring their new guitars.>>

Jas ~ Sounds EXACTLY like what Dan P told us all about in one of his bio episodes. I remember the words, "Top gear, top gear!"

Message: 26186 Posted: Thu Feb 06 18:40:30 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: Panama Panorama

The tide has come in, the traffic is heavier, the shadows are longer, the buildings have a golden glow--it looks like it's almost sunset in Gerry's shot, too. Great panorama Gerry. Thanks. How'd you do that?
Steve: Thanks for the Hawaiian sunset shots. They're great. I'd like to jump into those pics right about now.
Sunrise, Sunset, I'm starting to feel like Tevye.

Message: 26185 Posted: Thu Feb 06 17:57:52 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: Missed the best sunrise yet

Beth: Macedon, NY, a suburb of Rochester. Haven't seen the grass for almost two months. YOWSA. There's a lovely thing here that my neck of PA couldn't claim--lake effect snow. My new theme song is...all that's left is a band of snow....

Message: 26184 Posted: Thu Feb 06 15:37:53 2003 By: Beth
Subject: Missed the best sunrise yet

Hey Moser - I saw the awesome sunrise this morning in the great white north, also! DIdn't catch the good tunes on my way to work, tho. May I ask whereabouts in the north you are? I'm in Northern Wisconsin...

Message: 26183 Posted: Thu Feb 06 15:34:26 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Panama Panorama

Here's a bonus shot from Gerry. Click here to see a beautiful panorama shot.

Message: 26182 Posted: Thu Feb 06 14:58:13 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: View From The Hotel Window - Panama City

Gerry is in Panama City, Panama today. Click here to see the view from his hotel window.

Message: 26181 Posted: Thu Feb 06 14:00:26 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: Missed the Best Sunrise Yet

Those are AWESOME!!!!!!!! Take me away quick.

Message: 26180 Posted: Thu Feb 06 13:50:41 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Missed the Best Sunrise Yet

Red, when I was in Hawaii for my 25th anniversary (June 2001) I took some digital photos of some awesome sunsets. Here are links to a couple of them that I like the most:

Sunset with Sailboat
Sunset with Palm Trees

Message: 26179 Posted: Thu Feb 06 12:12:37 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Re: Missed the Best Sunrise Yet

Dang Woman, here I am all psyched for a dynamo sunrise shot, and you blew it. What are we to do about YOU!!!!! So far, Janice has the coolest shot, but I have faith in you that you can outdo that pic. The bad part is that you only get so many chances living in NY. So, I will be patiently waiting, hoping you can come thru in the clutch!!!! Otherwise, I may have to ellicit Nancy to get the job done. Come on now, don't fail me. Do you have any White Crows there in NY? I also have a request to post these lyrics.

Like to tell you 'bout my baby, you know she comes around,
Just 'bout five feet four a-from her head to the ground.
You know she comes around here just about midnight,
She make me feel so good, Lord, she make me feel all right.
And her name is G-L-O-R-I,

I'm gonna shout it all night GLORIA
I'm gonna shout it every day, GLORIA
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

G-L-O-R-I-A by Shadows of Night

Message: 26178 Posted: Thu Feb 06 11:50:55 2003 By: Jason Smith
Subject: Breaking news...

Gerry in hospital to have his tonsils out...! America dragged away by customs at London airport...! America lose new material whilst on tour in US...!

Believe it or not this was the news reported in the April 1st 1972 issue of DISC & MUSIC ECHO which I've just got hold off. America feature on the front cover and there's a nice little article which amongst other things talks about Gerry's trip to hospital and the UK airport customs "dragging" them away and "charging" them (their words not mine) for entering England without declaring their new guitars. There's also brief mention of them losing "a lot" of song material whilst touring in the states.

This article makes fascinating reading and i'll scan it soon to pass on to Steve so you can all see.

My interest in memorbilia normally only extends to picture singles but I saw this advertised on E-bay and thought what the heck. I was hoping that it might just mention Dirt Pit Manor and help me in my search, and I wasn't to be disappointed.

The article talks about them being back at home "happily pottering around in their tiny farm wooden outbuilding" and "setting up a rough and ready recording outfit in the bedroom".

Sadly no photo of Dirt Pit Manor, but I'm wondering if maybe one or other publication of this era could feature a photo.

If anyone collects old music magazines please let me know.


Message: 26177 Posted: Thu Feb 06 11:08:52 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Thoughts

Well if Brad is on "sabbatical" I wonder for how long. Isn't it usually a year? I have not heard the replacement, but having David Dickey step in would sure be a nice treat! I always loved to see him play. His joy in the music always came through. He and Woodz would be a great pair to see again ( both of them always looked supremely happy to be doing what they were doing!)

I have to agree with Moser on the collection thing. I prefer to collect the music and my memories of seeing them live. I have no room in my house for a bunch of stuff that may or may not have belonged to the band. I don't have room for scapbooks and stuff like that either ( well except for stuff concerning my beautiful daughter--lol)

Sorry I have missed the live chats, but I have been so busy here that I go home exhausted. Hope this slows down soon but it doesn't look like it!

Message: 26176 Posted: Thu Feb 06 10:53:28 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Missed the Best Sunrise Yet

I've been watching the sunrises lately hoping for a colorful one to catch on film. Well today was the day but do you think I could find my kid's dig. cam? No. Maybe tomorrow will be a good one too. I haven't forgotten, Reddy Oak.
It's a pretty good day here in the great white north. The sun is shining and I heard two Eagles' and one Pure Prairie League on the radio today. Cool.

Message: 26175 Posted: Thu Feb 06 06:49:35 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Oops!

Oops, I do it EVERY time. LOL! "Perspective" rather.

Message: 26174 Posted: Thu Feb 06 06:47:51 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: e-bay Item (For Mo)

<<...I prefer to spend my dollars on CD's or concert tickets.>>

Mo B ~ You have me a bit curious with your statement above. In a previously posted message here, you said you don't have America's Perceptive, Your Move, and Hourglass. You also said you were impressed with a couple of Dan's songs from Homecoming that you heard on Highway. Well, at least one song for sure. So, just which America LPs/CDs do you have especially those recorded during the trio days? Maybe it would be easier if I asked which America LPs/CDs you have. Just a question from one America fanatic (fan addict) to another.

Message: 26173 Posted: Thu Feb 06 04:11:30 2003 By: Sergio
Subject: Re: Is Gerry a Beany and Cecil Fan?

I remember that character...I love those old Bob Clampett cartoons. I have the DVD as well. You may have a point there...

Message: 26172 Posted: Thu Feb 06 00:58:13 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Re: New World Record ~Live~ & to Catch Up~Oh no it may take all night

Hi there Everyone ~~~ Yes I am here oooooh sooo late, and I just gotta post before hitting the big soft pillow. ~~ Hey Mo I think we both got booted at the same time... I got back on breifly and then it disconnected on me again.... we are better than the energizer bunny rabbit.... for sure~~ LOL!!!!! Live Chat was a great one tonight... I am soo mad I didn't get there earlier than I did..... the conversation was flowing all night long... Nice seeing all of my no lifer friends....except Red ~~ where ohhhh where were you? Nice seeing you Beth, Windwave(glad to see you some ~~ Goooo Hat Trick!), same with you Mel & kC..., Welcome back AmGirl & Lilly ~~ there was a very interesting name at the live chat ~~ sexattheredlight ~~ WOW~~ what a name :) ~~~~~ Sooo nice that you stopped by Matt, and again thanks for your patience with us, thanks for sharing the gift of gab with us late at night! I wish all the best for you... and I am anxiously awaiting on the release of your CD.... some really nice songs on it for sure! I enjoyed the song clips, especially Airplanes... and the studio pics are soooo neat... as I said to you in live chat.... that is what I call dedication.... Nice! :) ~~ I too want to welcome oldmantook.... WOW ~~~ Your Enthusiam has me wound up for sure.... come back again.... and start posting, I am sure you will have fun here. ~~~~ Hmmmmmmmm Hey DanC ~~ were you at live chat tonight.... Hmmm did I miss getting to talk to you?????? Did I ? ~~ Wow I have never seen soo many posts from You ever..... did you read my post about the Homecoming DVD??? :) ~~ I got a nice double treat from the mailman the day my Homecoming DVD arrived.... my "Live in Central Park DVD " came at the same time.... I fully agree EDDY ~~ this was AWESOME for sure... I have watched it over and over... I love the energy in this.... Dewey & Gerry look sooo good on it and David Dickey is ROCKIN for sure.... Thanks soo much JohnC for this..... WOW ~~ I love the sound the pics the whole put together effect.... it is Soooooo good.... I sure am loving being in this AMERICA Heaven.... soo neat getting to take in all of this Magic.... :)

Hi there Lorraine ~~ Thanks for letting Steve share your thoughts and story with us.... I love the fact that your job allowed you to share a part of your love for this music with the audience that heard you... That is soo neat... I hope when you find a new radio station, You will be able to have this freedom there also... Hey maybe you would be able to play some of the Cayman CD songs on the radio! I hope soooo, take care and hope to hear more of your stories..... :)

Hmmmmm ~~~ Van Go Gan ~~~ Neat KevinS ~~~ I too listened to my Van Go Gan songs just the other night and as I typed a chapter email.... I sure do love the songs on there, I agree with you, this is a must have Masterpiece.... I just love Gerry's remake of I Need You on there... that added sax music sure adds a special touch.... Wow Hard to Sleep is playing in my Headphones right now.... I love the guitar strumming on this, a catchy tune for sure......I am sooo curious tho why Gerry named this song this! oooooh yes I Need You is on now.... sooo light and carefree, I love the upbeat to this version of it... and the nice added background vocals ~~ I really need you~~ who is it that sings this background vocals.... I really dooo ~~ and yes now that oooh soo nice sax part..... wowwowoowowowoowowo! Thanks Gerry :) ~~ Hey there Jimmmmmmmmmmm (bob) did you enjoy your nice warm day off there in NZ???? I hope soooo :) ~~ Ooooooh Now Sue is on...... another one of Di Farrelly's mystical lyrics start off this song...... I love the lyrics and music to this song.... I get carried away by soooo many of these songs.... I gotta get Go Man Go yet... I still haven't heard this one.... Oooooooh noooooooo Kiss of Life is on here now...... WOW!!!!!!!! Double WOW!!!!!! An AWESOME Song! I just gotta sing some ~~~ When you love someone, its gonna take some time..... come on save meeeeee, save me, pull me from deep water, give the kiss of life... now is the moment treasured, breathe the kiss of life intoooo the words we speak, intoooo the words we speak, they come across the meadow like a slow moving train, long determination over every name, when you love someone, its gonna take some time, come on and save meeeee save meeeee, pull me from deep water, give me the kiss of life..... breathe the kiss of life, into the words we speak, save meeeeeee, give the kiss of life, when you love someone, give the kiss of life, its gonna take some time, when you love someone... its gonna take some time... give the kiss of life.... treasure breat he the kiss of life....... Oooooooh what a song, what Beautiful Lyrics! ~~ :)

Hi there Hard to Sleep ~~ I second Mo's thought... I would gladly pay 4 digits too if the jacket comes with Gerry in it...... :)~~ Hmmm I just noticed your name.... did you pick it because of the song????? ~~ Robyn you sure find some neat stuff..... you were asked about at the live chat tonight... hope you can join in soon! ~~~ hmmmm Kim were you at live chat tonight??????? ~~~ Houses in White is on here.... seee how I can just stay up all night and type type type, with all of these great songs playing in my headphones........ I love to pass the time away like this for sure! :)

Hi there Danae ~~~ Keep on enjoying finding more AMERICA music....

Regarding Brad and the stand in Bass Player...... Our curiousity about this is in a good way..... we mean no invasion of privacy! Hmmmm ~~ it would be nice to see a David Dickey appearance! :)

Well I am not sure if I completely got caught up here, but my big brown eyes are getting sooo heavy and my Pillow is calling out to me..... sooo I better listen to it..... Oooooooh nooo I gotta get up in 3 Hours......... Good Night allllllllll, NightOwl Nancy ~~~ :) Gerry is singing...... only a kid at heart ~~~~ from a childhood memmory to a place we'll never know my heart... look what you've done, in the time it takes, through each mistake, see what you've become.... I know you're only a kid at heart.... i know you'r e only a kid at heart, started out as a bedtime story..... ~~~ take it from there Gerry :)

Message: 26171 Posted: Wed Feb 05 23:32:08 2003 By: Moser
Subject: New World Record

We no-lifers may have set a new world record tonight on live chat. We were on late enough that even the parachat program was tired and it booted us off and wouldn't open again for a while. Hmm, sad to say that the machine may be wiser than I!! Just wanted to say welcome to oldmantook who was quite an enthusiastic chatter tonight. I hope you will post here soon. We're generally a fun bunch. Looney, perhaps, but fun. Good to see you AG. Where are you DaisyJane64? Miss you.
Well it's way past midnite so it is officially tomorrow which means...yes, you guessed it...22 days!!!!

Message: 26170 Posted: Wed Feb 05 21:21:51 2003 By: EDDY
Subject: Live........

In Central Park is Great!! Thanx again John C., I'm REALLY enjoying this DVD, I had a "bootleg"(video) version of this concert, This beats it ALL!
I never got to see AMERICA in this format(live),this stuff is just Fantastic! as far as Bass Players go......Bring David Dickey BACK!!
To me......Well.....besides Gerry, he's the BEST BASS player America Has ever had! Well.....just my 2 cents. Well......back to the DVD.....THANX AGAIN! Enjoying It!

Message: 26169 Posted: Wed Feb 05 20:20:53 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: my patients are wearing thin

After all, to wonder is only "human nature".

Message: 26168 Posted: Wed Feb 05 20:17:53 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: my patience is wearing thin

If Brad's absence is a personal matter, I think knowing that it's just that, a personal matter, it would probably satisfy most everyone here. I also think just knowing whether Brad's replacement is permanent or temporary, it would go a long way in allaying a lot of the curiosity.

Message: 26167 Posted: Wed Feb 05 19:55:21 2003 By: Dan
Subject: Re: my patience is wearing thin

Thanks, Steve, thats all I NEEDED to hear. I'll be watching. DanC.

Message: 26166 Posted: Wed Feb 05 19:49:33 2003 By: msmith
Subject: missing brad

fwiw someone in the live chat tonight said they thought that brad was on sabbatical, whatever that means.

Message: 26165 Posted: Wed Feb 05 19:27:18 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: my patience is wearing thin

Hi Dan. I assure you that if I had anything to share this is the first place that I would post it. I'll keep checking and if I find out anything, you guys will be the first to know.

Message: 26164 Posted: Wed Feb 05 19:24:19 2003 By: Dan
Subject: Re: my patience is wearing thin

Yea? well maybe NOT!!!DanC.

Message: 26163 Posted: Wed Feb 05 19:13:58 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: my patience is wearing thin

Maybe it's a personal matter and it's none of our business.

Message: 26162 Posted: Wed Feb 05 18:59:15 2003 By: Dan
Subject: my patience is wearing thin

I'm still waiting for an explanation to the missing " Brad the bass player".....can't anyone shed some light on this???? How about you SteveL. I thought you had the inside scoop on everything America? or am I just typing in the wind? DanC.

Message: 26161 Posted: Wed Feb 05 16:07:26 2003 By: KevinS.
Subject: Van Go Gan.

Funny you should mention Van Go Gan, Robyn. I haven't listened to that CD in a while, and yesterday I put it in the CD changer in my car.

When it popped on, it was like an unexpected visit from a friend. I'd forgotten how wonderful it was. From the very first bouncy guitar licks of Emma, it's a masterpiece. If anyone on this chat folder doesn't own a copy of this CD, Steve should begin legal proceedings to permantly ban you from this website. Or from even owning a computer.


Message: 26160 Posted: Wed Feb 05 14:00:23 2003 By: kimcabrina
Subject: Panama concert

Being a former Zonian (long time resident of the Panama Canal Zone) I wanted to wish the guys well on their Central American tour, the start of which is in Panama. From the looks of the schedule, it appears as if they may have some time in between shows so I hope they have enough time to see some sites while in Panama, and if I might act as an unofficial tour guide I highly recommend the following:

Miraflores Locks
Old Panama (ruins from the conquistador era)
The Causeway (great at sunset). The causeway is a strip of manmade road which connects three islands and separates the entrance of the canal from the Bay of Panama.

Wish I was going to be there!


Message: 26159 Posted: Wed Feb 05 12:20:54 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: moser

<<Moser, can you email me please?>> Jimbob, I don't mean to sound rude--although it will likely be construed by some as rude anyway--but, why don't you email me? My name is a link to email just like yours is.

Message: 26158 Posted: Wed Feb 05 09:01:16 2003 By: EDDY
Subject: Phil Spector

WOW, Just read about "Wall of Sound" producer Phil Spector.......I knew he was, well.....a bit strange, but this came as a shock! Guess he's out on a million $$ bail for murder.....Wow........

Message: 26157 Posted: Wed Feb 05 08:31:48 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: e- bay item

Hi JimBob. I can't speak for Gerry or Dewey but I don't find it strange at all that they don't let us know whether these items are theirs or not. First of all, they may not even know because I'm sure they don't keep track of these things after they get rid of them. Second, they have lives to live when they're not performing and I'm sure they don't want to spend time verifying every little thing that is sold which is supposed to be theirs. I know I wouldn't want to do it if it were me. We all know that Gerry and Dewey are the ultimate gentlemen and professionals when it comes to their business and that can't be said for a lot of other musicians. I appreciate what they do for us fans already.

This is just my opinion - I could be wrong.


Message: 26156 Posted: Wed Feb 05 07:38:34 2003 By: speechwriter
Subject: Re: e- bay item

I enjoy Gerry, Dewey and Dan's art. I don't want to wear their clothes. I'm always tickled by what is sold -- and desired -- on the memorabilia market. I once saw someone advertise for sale in Goldmine a "hotel cocktail napkin" on which the lyrics to a Badfinger song were scrawled. What's next? Gerry's air pillow shoe inserts?

Message: 26155 Posted: Wed Feb 05 07:23:29 2003 By: jimbob
Subject: Re: e- bay item

Hey thanks Johnny! You know, I really do wonder why in instances such as this, Gerry or Dewey dont give us the answer to our questions. I gotta admit, I find it a bit weird that someone should be looking at bidding for the View jacket, when we arnt sure if its the real thing. Surely Gerry,if its your jacket, can you validate it?

Message: 26154 Posted: Wed Feb 05 06:55:33 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Re : e-bay item

Hi Jimbob ~ The "Gerry Jacket" that Hardtosleep mentioned being up for bid on eBay last year was allegedly the brown suit jacket that Gerry wore on the front and back photos of the cover from "View From The Ground" (as Hardtosleep mentioned). I remember viewing that auction item all during the days it was available for sale. I believe it reached something like $250 give or take. Without any documentation from Gerry himself, it's just a brown suit jacket from anyone's closet in my opinion. WITH documentation from Gerry, it would perhaps be worth a lot more than $250 but no way near four figures in my opinion.

So Hardtosleep, I'd opt for the America tour jacket that's currently on eBay but not even for half the asking price. IF it were an OFFICIAL America tour jacket (maroon one with the gray leather sleeves as worn by Gerry, Dan, John Wayne, and Bob Hope in that "famous" B&W photo), it would be a whole different story, I think.

Does anyone here own one of those maroon jackets? As LisaRose pointed out last year or so, one of those jackets (size SMALL) sold on eBay for only $50!!! It belonged to Margaret Holmes who I believe was the assistant to John Hartmann. Her name can be found on the LP sleeve of both "History" and "Harbor". Her name was stitched into the left pocket of that maroon tour jacket.

Message: 26153 Posted: Wed Feb 05 06:20:05 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Is Gerry a Beany and Cecil Fan?

Just picked up a special edition of that classic cartoon ( yes I LOVE Beany ans Cecil!! ) There is a character called Go Man Van Go. hmmmmm.

Message: 26152 Posted: Wed Feb 05 06:03:22 2003 By: jimbob
Subject: moser

Moser, can you email me please?

Message: 26151 Posted: Wed Feb 05 05:50:40 2003 By: jimbob
Subject: Re : e-bay item

I have NOOOOOOO idea what the GERRY jacket is all about! Sorry to be thick, but can someone help me out here? Johnny?

Message: 26150 Posted: Wed Feb 05 05:19:24 2003 By: jimbob
Subject: What Johnny says

Johnny,my first ever posting,2 years back or so, I commended you on your knowledge 'all things AMERICA'. I still do!

Message: 26149 Posted: Wed Feb 05 04:16:37 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: e-bay Item

Dear Hardtosleep, It's hardtosay which of those I would prefer to bid on. As you say, Gerry's jacket being his makes it very desirable. But the tour jacket could be worn and immediately recognized for its origin. That makes it very desirable as well. Either way, I prefer to spend my dollars on CD's or concert tickets. There is one scenario I would bid on for sure. If the seller offered Gerry's jacket with him in it, heck yeah. That would definitely be worth four figures or more!! Happy bidding to you. I hope you get the tour jacket if you want it.
PS: 23 days....

Message: 26148 Posted: Tue Feb 04 21:08:57 2003 By: Hardtosleep
Subject: e-bay Item

Hello all. I haven't posted in a long time and I hope that everyone is well. I would like to get your opinion on which piece of memorabilia you would prefer to own:

The jacket Gerry wore on the cover of View From the Ground or
the tour jacket currently on e-bay that was originally owned by "Scott" (tour or stage manager?)

I'm wondering because I contacted the seller and let her know just as an FYI that the Gerry Jacket was up for auction last spring and the bidding never even reached what she wants as an opening bid for the tour jacket. She replied that the person she was selling this for felt that his item was very desireable and would not consider selling it for less. She referred to Gerry's jacket as an "off the rack" item. Off the rack or not it was on his body and on an album cover. This to me makes it much more valuable than something worn by "Scott".

What do you guys think?

P.S. In case you are curious, the bidding for the View From the Ground jacket never reached the "reserve" price set by that seller so he was not obligated to sell the jacket to the highest bidder (which, by the way was me). That seller didn't want to let go of the item for less than 4 figures. If I had the cash I would have seriously considered it.

Message: 26147 Posted: Tue Feb 04 19:56:16 2003 By: Vic
Subject: Regarding Danae

Danae, it's wonderful to hear, that you do not feel the need to blame anyone, regarding this little incident, here on the chat folder. Some, never do learn to forgive or over look the frailties of others, something you have apparently learned to do, at a very young age. You honor your parents.

Message: 26146 Posted: Tue Feb 04 19:31:35 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Regarding Danae (Danae and Dad)

<<In fact, we thought that doubts regarding an unknown person's true identity were obvious and justified.>>

Hi Danae (and Danae's dad) ~ I think it's very nice of you to post the message that you did; however, I respectfully yet strongly beg to differ with a portion of your statement above. I don't see ANY justification WHATSOEVER as to why Mo doubted your identity. It all boils down to the fact that Mo thought SOMEONE ELSE was posting as you. Mo knows that she thought it was me. That is not a "funny" issue. Quite to the contrary, it's a blatant insult to me that Mo thought I was the type of person trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. As I said, it's not "funny" nor "justified" in my opinion.

Message: 26145 Posted: Tue Feb 04 17:52:51 2003 By: David Stengele
Subject: America Item on Ebay

If anyone is interested in the following item, it's on ebay--too expensive for me, though . . . $199

AMERICA Beckley Bunnell RARE TOUR Jacket
Item # 2505759560

It's from 1992 and is one of 8 that were given to the band by the air force, I believe.

Message: 26144 Posted: Tue Feb 04 16:31:45 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: Comments From A DJ

It is very rare in these times when Clear Channel is King, that a DJ would have the luxury to play what they wanted. So, I'm glad to hear that you, Lorraine, were able to do that for so long. I'm sorry to hear that your station "changed format." I can't tell you how sick I am of that phrase. Every time you turn on the radio, your latest favorite station has changed format and you're forced to roam the dial once again. Radio schizophrenia, that might be a better phrase. I guess that's why I mostly listen to CD's in the car and always at home. I have a sneaking suspicion that I am not the target demographic for advertisers anymore. That's kind of odd since I'm at a stage of life in which I have more expendable dollars than ever. Hmm, it doesn't make much sense to me. I hope you get a new and wonderful job soon.

Message: 26143 Posted: Tue Feb 04 16:04:42 2003 By: KevinS.
Subject: Comments from a DJ.

Every day Tom Petty's "The Last DJ" gets truer and truer. And sadder and sadder.


Message: 26142 Posted: Tue Feb 04 15:50:54 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Re: Regarding Danae

Thanks for your kind words, Danae. And thanks for being a good sport.

Message: 26141 Posted: Tue Feb 04 15:17:05 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Regarding Danae

Well Danae, I for one admire the grace and maturity with which you have handled this discussion. I am glad you will continue to join in discussing our favorite band. I look forward to your next contibution.

Message: 26140 Posted: Tue Feb 04 13:44:37 2003 By: Danae
Subject: Re: Regarding Danae

Not only I don't blame Moser but I finally understand her doubts since "Fake persons" are common thing in the Internet.
By the way, not even for a moment, neither dad nor me we felt offended. In fact, we thought that doubts regarding an unknown person's true identity were obvious and justified. We also thought the whole issue was funny!~~Hey, Moser, next time please don't sign as the "Ugly American"! Looking at your photos in your bio I found you (as well as your children!) trully nice and cute.
Also Steve, Genevieve, TZ MAC, Kim, Nancy, Vic, Lass, Mo -of course!- and many others accept my thanks for your kindness with me!

Message: 26139 Posted: Tue Feb 04 07:47:58 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Comments From A DJ

Lorraine Bolan was a DJ in the New Jersey area that was recently let go because the radio station decided to change their format. She was also a big America fan and because the station was very liberal in allowing the DJ's to play whatever they wanted, she played a lot of America music. I received a couple of mail messages from her recently which had some interesting stories that she has agreed to let me post on this chat folder. So, here they are:

As an America fan I know I did my part in making people know that America songs are by America. It never ceases to amaze me how many other artists get credit for their songs. I had one guy pretty much argue with me that "Sister Golden Hair" was by Jackson Browne. A nice little tidbit about that song was that it was the first song I ever played and I also always used it as my sign off song. I guess all us blonde fans feel the same way about the song. That last time pushing that button and hearing those chords was very hard. Anyway... another listener could've sworn Bread did "I Need You." I mean pah-leeze!

One really nice story I have to share with you was a lady who again didn't realize America did all those songs and ended up buying "The Complete Greatest Hits". The nicest thing about her was that when she would call with a request it would be for "World of Light". Old favorites or new tunes the guys still have it.

Hopefully I'll find a new place soon though I know other stations won't be as liberal. That was the great thing about the Q. My show was totally my call... no set play list at all. Oh the power! Oh well, I guess all good things must come to an end.

I have more great America stories dating way back to the summer of '75 when I first met the band. I was in high school and got to be a sort of an intern at a local concert hall where they played (two dates in fact, one in Aug., one in Sept.). I actually got to meet all the big acts from that era, but only one counted for me. They were great guys then and still are today and they made me a very popular kid in school that following year. Believe me, not everybody is nice to fans or to those they may feel are below them, but Gerry and Dewey have always made that extra effort to be nice, pose for a quick pic and leave me with a great memory. Ya gotta love guys like that. I know I do.

Thanks, Lorraine, for sharing those thoughts and memories with us.

Message: 26138 Posted: Tue Feb 04 07:00:33 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: living in the gap between the echoes (The Tap Dancer)

Regarding the tap dancer on "Hat Trick," didn't the guys want a famous dancer to do the tap dancing but were turned down and Yarnell was the second pick? I can't remember the male performer's name for sure but Sammy Davis, Jr. seems to come to mind. Can't remember where I read that. Maybe here, VH.Com, or one of Dan's great bio episodes.

Message: 26137 Posted: Tue Feb 04 05:01:29 2003 By: Nina
Subject: Reply to Sergio and Johnny

Sergio, I apologize for calling THAT certain entertainer "EVIL". I'll switch my words to thoughtless and inconsiderate!

Johnny, what a memory you have! You recall the story almost perfectly! One error though: It was our crossing guard who gave the bus directions to the radio station...and THEN I called the station to make the request of Chubby to breeze by the school while we all twisted on the front lawn. I heard Chubby agree to this on the phone.

Very disappointing day. I apologized to kids, staff, and administration for THAT one for at least two weeks!

Message: 26136 Posted: Tue Feb 04 04:19:52 2003 By: Sergio
Subject: Re: How low could Chubby go...

Thanks for filling me in on Nina's story, I had no idea, what a let down and embarrassment for her...We now know how low Chubby can go...

Message: 26135 Posted: Tue Feb 04 04:19:46 2003 By: Moser
Subject: T Minus...

...24 days and counting.

Message: 26134 Posted: Mon Feb 03 19:53:07 2003 By: Vic
Subject: Re: living in the gap between the echoes

According to the notes, at the bottom of the "Hat Trick" song page, it's Lorene Yarnell, of the duo, Sheilds and Yarnell. I remember them as a mime act back in the 70's. "...feelin' it hot and feelin' it cold"

Message: 26133 Posted: Mon Feb 03 19:30:52 2003 By: msmith
Subject: brad

i, like dan, am curious about what's up with brad. really good pictures from the hellendale gig. if anyone was there, what did gerry/dewey say when they introduced trent as the bass player?

Message: 26132 Posted: Mon Feb 03 19:13:14 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Za Plane! Za Plane!

Does anyone out there have a tattoo? Do any of the guys in the band have a tattoo?

Message: 26131 Posted: Mon Feb 03 19:12:38 2003 By: msmith
Subject: living in the gap between the echoes

genevieve, i too am a huge HAT TRICK fan. most people have a goal in life. mine is to hear the boys do HAT TRICK live when i'm in the audience thinking that i died and went to heaven. does anyone know who plays that taps on HAT TRICK?

Message: 26130 Posted: Mon Feb 03 19:12:00 2003 By: Dan
Subject: Re: So. .

Robyn, I guess I missed something also. So I'm also asking, WHAT'S UP WITH THE NEW BASS PLAYER???? Can anyone answer this question. There, Robyn, maybe someone heard that plea....DanC..

Message: 26129 Posted: Mon Feb 03 17:47:05 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Reply to Johnny (Nina)

<<You'll NEVER find ME, or anyone I work with here at school, in the first row of a concert by THAT man [Chubby]!>>

Nina ~ You and your co-workers on the front row armed with peashooters & spitwads! :0)

Message: 26128 Posted: Mon Feb 03 17:38:41 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Reply to Johnny and Nina (Sergio)

Serg ~ No doubt that you are unaware of an incident Nina had with Chubby Checker and his bus driver. Very briefly and if I recall correctly, Chubby's bus driver (with Chubby on board) stopped in front of the school where Nina teaches to ask directions to a particular radio station in town. Nina gave the driver the directions and asked Chubby if he could swing by the school after his radio station visit/interview and wave "hi" to all the kids. According to Nina, he agreed to do just that. Nina informed her fellow faculty members who informed their students. Everyone gathered outside waiting in great anticipation for Chubby's appearance. He never showed up... leaving everyone disappointed and poor Nina totally embarrassed. Nina did find out "the reason" why Chubby stood everyone up. The bus driver claimed that he couldn't get the bus turned around to swing by the school so he and Chubby continued on to their next destination. What a bunch of BS, don't you think? Plus, not even a telephone call to the school to let anyone know. "Limbo Rock"??? More like "Limbo Crock," I say. :0)

Message: 26127 Posted: Mon Feb 03 15:45:23 2003 By: Sergio
Subject: Re: Reply to Johnny and Nina

Guys! Chubby Checker is surely not EVIL and he is very nice and fun at his concerts...Whether he is doing his hits or impersonations of Fats Domino or Elvis, he comes across great. The guy still has a great voice and an incredible energy level for being over 60... I've seen two of his concerts locally and they are always a lot of fun. How can you knock the guy that gave you "Let's Twist Again" and the "Limbo Rock". Or are you all too young to remember? Chubby you are alright!

Message: 26126 Posted: Mon Feb 03 14:11:43 2003 By: Robyn
Subject: So...

Did I miss the answer? Where is Brad?

Message: 26125 Posted: Mon Feb 03 10:08:07 2003 By: kiri
Subject: voltage

has anyone ever been to Voltage Guitars in Hollywood? just curious. i have a friend who is close with the owner. sounds like a cool guitar shop.

Message: 26124 Posted: Mon Feb 03 06:57:00 2003 By: Nina
Subject: Reply to Johnny

Johnny!!! You HAD to go and mention THAT evil Chubby Checker! Now my blood pressure is up for sure! You'll NEVER find ME, or anyone I work with here at school, in the first row of a concert by THAT man!

Message: 26123 Posted: Mon Feb 03 06:32:05 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: MOSER, MOSER, MOSER (Nina)

<<I'M the "chubby" fan in the first row at THIS one!>>

Nina ~ It sure beats the heck out of being the "Chubby Checker" fan in the first row! :0)

Message: 26122 Posted: Mon Feb 03 05:22:11 2003 By: Moser
Subject: First Row

Nina, You're crackin' me up. Well that will make two of us "chubs" in the first row then!! I much prefer the word Rubenesque, it's much more flattering. Our tickets are on Gerry and Michael's side too. I'm sure I'll see you there. 25 days....

Message: 26121 Posted: Mon Feb 03 05:05:08 2003 By: Nina

Yes, I'm excited about the upcoming concert! I received my tickets: seats 18 & 20, front row, Gerry & Michael's side. If you see me first...speak up! You've heard of the "cute fan in the first row" at all of these concerts? I'M the "chubby" fan in the first row at THIS one!

Message: 26120 Posted: Sun Feb 02 15:28:55 2003 By: Genevieve
Subject: Don't forget to vote!

Hope Hat Trick will make it to the last phase of the tournament... An all time fave, for sure! I'd love to see the guys perform it live at least once but seems I'm forever 'Living in the gap between the echoes'... lol

Message: 26119 Posted: Sun Feb 02 12:41:10 2003 By: red oak
Subject: Stroh's Beer

While viewing the pictures taken at the Hallendale concert, I couldn't help but notice something odd in 1 of them. The picture of Dewey, Gerry, Willie & Woodz doing their customary bow at the end of the show. Lo & behold, the new bass player is not pictured along with the guys. Now, was this just a bad angle pic or did they not include Mr. Stroh in the ceremony? Or was it because Dewey couldn't raise his right arm far enuff to put around Mr. Stroh? Could someone shed some light on this for me?

Also, Nancy took ill immediately after hearing Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow 2day and that means 6 more weeks of winter. Maybe she'll see the ground by April. One good thing about a lot of snow, it covers the mud until later. Cheer up Nancy and beat that old flu bug!!!!!!!!!!

Call some other's baby that ain't all
I wanna kiss her but she's way too tall
Young man rhythm's got a hold of me too
I got the rockin' pneumonia and the boogie woogie flu

I wanna squeeze her but I'm way too low
I would be runnin' but my feets too slow
Young man rhythm's got a hold of me too
I got the rockin' pneumonia and the boogie woogie flu

Johnny Rivers

Message: 26118 Posted: Sun Feb 02 12:33:04 2003 By: Moser

Nina: Only 26 more days, girl. Can you stand it?

Message: 26117 Posted: Sun Feb 02 09:07:32 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Where's Brad? (Alan)

<<Is this temporary or has Brad left the band?>>

Alan ~ Thus far, no one seems to know. Maybe he was scaring off too many of the kids. :0)

Just kiddin' about the last part which is a reference to a statement Ladd posted about Brad last year.

Message: 26116 Posted: Sun Feb 02 08:04:52 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Detente

Your unwillingness to answer my question only confirms what I suspected all along. I'll accept your "detente" subject title as a sign of surrender.

Message: 26115 Posted: Sun Feb 02 06:25:17 2003 By: Moser
Subject: Detente

<<May I ask what was your line of thinking?>> No, you may not.

Message: 26114 Posted: Sat Feb 01 21:34:17 2003 By: Johnny
Subject: Still Very Curious (For Mo B.)

Mo ~ Since you brought up the whole matter regarding whether Danae was actually who she said she is, you have me quite curious about something you said in one of your postings from this past Thursday (message #26072). You said, "I just think Danae is an alias for someone else, probably a US citizen...."

I would like to know why you specifically said "probably a US citizen"? May I ask what was your line of thinking? I'm sure a few other folks here are wondering the same thing. Why not from Canada, France, England, Australia, New Zealand, or elsewhere?

(Tim ~ I liked your "Danae's Danae" mention from earlier today... before today's awful tragedy.)

Message: 26113 Posted: Sat Feb 01 17:32:24 2003 By: Genevieve
Subject: Danae-Sad Day- Heaven

Hi everyone,
Hey Danae, how nice to read you can speak French so well. Feel free to send me a word in French now & then about our fave band! I'd be delighted to read & write in my native language, for a change! You could also add your little contribution to Larsen's America site in French - in his Livre d'Or... Go to the link section of this very site to find the address.

Sad day indeed for the victims' families, for the whole world and for the international scientific community... too sad to comment further more on it for the present moment. Those accidents are shocking to me. Can't help it.

Thanks Steve for digitallising & posting this Heaven clip. You obviously deserved to be in the lucky tens list.
BFN - Gen.

Message: 26112 Posted: Sat Feb 01 16:33:58 2003 By: LisaRose
Subject: Re: For LisaRose

Thanks Vic and to you too Moser for your email..and explaining what happened. I guess I will have to make sure I catch up on here more's amazing how good Dewey looks and am sure he sounds great too...hoping for a continued speedy recovery for Dewey..although from the looks of has been!!

Message: 26111 Posted: Sat Feb 01 15:28:00 2003 By: kimcabrina
Subject: Re: Regarding Danae - from her Dad & a sad day

Hi Danae & your Dad - He must be very proud of you, you sound like a great kid!! Your Dad went to school in the area that I live in now. I am very familiar w/ the University of Texas in Arlington. My seven year old daughter had her piano recital in the hall there, and my older daughter had her ballet recital at UTA.

This morning about 8:00 a.m. my husband and I were talking in the bedroom and heard a couple of huge booms and our house shook. It wasn't until about 20 minutes later that we found out the space shuttle Columbia had exploded. Our thoughts and prayers are with the astronauts and there families.


Message: 26110 Posted: Sat Feb 01 14:11:39 2003 By: Alan
Subject: Where's Brad?

I just looked at the Hallendale, FL pics (both sets came out very nice, by the way) and was wondering why a different bass player. Is this temporary or has Brad left the band?

With my busy work and personal life lately, I have missed a lot of posts lately, so if this has been discussed, I probably missed it.


p.s. I was out today when I heard about the shuttle tragedy as well. Very sad indeed. We have a TV, but only for watching videos and DVDs - no cable, satellite, etc - not even an antenna. Consequently, we don't always know what's going on in the world and wasn't even aware we even had a shuttle up there.

Message: 26109 Posted: Sat Feb 01 14:01:58 2003 By: jeff brink
Subject: Re: Heaven Is Very Beautiful

Very nice....

Message: 26108 Posted: Sat Feb 01 13:01:57 2003 By: Cathy Rink
Subject: Re: A Sad Day - This and That

I was out this morning when I found out about the space shuttle tragedy. How sad for everyone, my prayers and thoughts are with their families and friends.~~~Well, the big Pinewood Derby race day was today and although my son didn't win a single race he had a great time and showed what a good sport he is and that's what it's all about. Moser, I don't know what the real secret is in making those little cars, but I wish your son a lot of luck when his race day comes.~~~I didn't get a chance to download the "Heaven is Very Beautiful" song yet, but I'm anxious to listen to it. Thanks Steve, for posting it and working on getting the problems fixed so that you could post more great things for us. Also, thanks so much to those who helped you get things straightened out too.~~~Rich and Jason, I really appreciate the great pictures you sent to us.~~~I also listened to Matt Beckley's song samples from his new album and I really like them. Matt, I can't wait for this album to be released.~~~Well, I have my son standing over my should waiting to use the computer so I'll say goodbye for now.

Message: 26107 Posted: Sat Feb 01 12:29:22 2003 By: Nancy
Subject: Re: Sad Day ~~ Heaven ~~ Hallandale Photos & Danae & Dad!

Hi Everybody ~~ Hi Vic ~~ Yes indeed such a Sad Day with this Space Shuttle filling the great big blue sky with such tragedy. All my thoughts and prayers are with all of their families and friends. Their Pride in their wanting to be an Astronaut and accomplishments as one will never be forgotten and forever appreciated!

Thanks a whole bunch Steve L for making this "Heaven" into mp3 form for us to download... I have listened to it 4 times now... I love Gerry's & Bobby's nice touch of Music that accompanies Di's lyrics and singing. She sure had a way of touching the Heart Strings for sure... I have read Gerry's writings on this many times, how awesome to make this tribute to Di for Gordon. How neat for all of you 10 that were able to purchase a copy of this... WOW!!!! :)

WOW ~~ Rich & Jason thanks soo much for those NICE pics from the Hallandale show.... You both got some really good angles. What a treat this was seeing these... I have caught that lousy flu bug again! ~~ Not Fun At All : ( soo thanks ~~ These great pics brought a SMILE to my day for sure! :)~~~ Gerry, Dewey & the band you all looked like you were having fun.... and Thanks Dewey for your dedication, we surely do appreciate it... I hope your arm copletely heals soon.... :) hmmmm Loooking sooooooo gooood for sure ~~ these guys and their Guitars ;)

~~ Noo Mo ~~ You are not an Ugly American! ~~~ Gerry Gerry Gerry :)

Enjoy your weekend all ~~ I hope the nasty flu bug gets the message soon and leaves me alone! Take Care...... Nancy :) ~~ Di Farrelly just said in my headphones here for about the 8th time.... Bye Bye and thank you for listening...... Yes Thanks Ooooooh soo much Gerry for listening.... such a nice tribute indeed! :) Thanks Steve for doing this for us.... Heaven ~~ Quite appropriate I think, for today's happenings! :)

Greetings Danae & Dad ~~ Thank You for your post! I must admit I too wasn't quite sure if Danae could really be a 13 yr old from Greece and speak English sooo well.... Thank you for passing this love for AMERICA's music on to your daughter... she had mentioned this to me the time I live chatted with her. Let me say this, we may have been somewhat guarded about Danae... especially because of her age... with the unknown of the Internet, that you have to be careful. I also think the uncertainty of a persons actual identity at times, that this causes the mind to wonder, another effect of the unknown internet. We certainly didn't mean any disrespect to your daughter or your family. As long as you are comfortable with her being a part of the live chat and posting here on the chat folder that is enough for me. Thanks Danae for you interest and input with AMERICA. Keep up that great work in your school work and definitely keep on enjoying this Magical Music we all love here. :)

Message: 26106 Posted: Sat Feb 01 08:23:28 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Heaven Is Very Beautiful

I'm hesitant to post this information after reading about the shuttle tragedy. I wasn't even aware it had happened until I read Vic's post. But my purpose for logging on to the chat folder this morning was to post this, so I'll continue.

A few years ago Gerry Beckley and Bobby Woods did a side project which was very important to them about Di Farrelly. It is her voice that opens "Emma" on the Van Go Gan CD with "Hello there. Hello Gerry." "Heaven Is Very Beautiful" is a special song featuring Di that is produced by Gerry and Bobby. Be warned, it's a real tear-jerker.

Click here to listen/download the MP3 of "Heaven Is Very Beautiful"
Click here to go to the Heaven Is Very Beautiful web page

After Gerry and Bobby finished this project, they made 10 cassette tapes of the song which they autographed and made available for purchase to 10 random Chat Folder fans. Along with each tape came an autographed certificate. FYI, here is a list of the people who received the 10 tapes which were sequentially numbered:

#1 Johnny Yee
#2 Steve Nelson
#3 Jim Nakao
#4 Eddy Forsman
#5 Maureen Morrison
#6 Janice Gabriel
#7 Erin DiPietro
#8 Steve Lowry
#9 John Corbett
#10 Tery Holly

I had fun digitizing this song from the cassette tape because it gave me a chance to listen to it again. I hope you enjoy it.


Message: 26105 Posted: Sat Feb 01 08:01:01 2003 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: A sad day


Message: 26104 Posted: Sat Feb 01 07:24:45 2003 By: Vic
Subject: A sad day

A very sad day for our country, and the families of the Shuttle Astronauts. Our prayers go up.

Message: 26103 Posted: Sat Feb 01 07:09:53 2003 By: Vic
Subject: Re: For LisaRose

Go to post 25819, from Jan. 14

Message: 26102 Posted: Sat Feb 01 06:11:14 2003 By: Lass
Subject: Re: Hallendale Photos & The Amazing Dewey

Thanks Rich & Jason for sharing your pics and to Steve for posting them. After seeing those photos it's amazing that Dewey has even been performing. That is true dedication!!! Dewey you're awesome, no wonder you are my favorite America guy!!!!

Message: 26101 Posted: Sat Feb 01 03:14:55 2003 By: LisaRose
Subject: Re: Hallendale Photos

I second that..great photo's...thanks for posting them. It looks like it might have been a little cool down there...still probably 50 degrees warmer in New York. The boys look great..was there something the matter with Dewey? Did I miss something?

Message: 26100 Posted: Sat Feb 01 02:56:34 2003 By: TZ MAC
Subject: Regarding Danae

(sung to the tune of a certain Dan song from Hideaway)

I got this feeling ........... that Danae's ...........Danae


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