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Archives: February 1999

Message: 5053 Posted: Sun Feb 28 22:44:17 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Peace CD & Question For Steve Lowry

Would you believe the Peace CD is 2 years old or almost 2 years old.
Also, Steve...if Peace does release a new CD in the near future, do you have any contacts to let us know when or where it will be available??? Just a thought. Mainly, because Rick W. was our main contact. I sure hope we don't lose it. It's very valuable to us.
Howard L

Message: 5052 Posted: Sun Feb 28 21:45:45 1999 By: KevinS.
Subject: Re: Simple Life

Bruce: You are so very right. Dan was a musical and songwriting genius in his own right that rounded out a very awesome trio. He still is. Listen to his work on the new PEACE CD and you'll get a even better reminder of what he brought to America. It brings back fond memories of back when it was three guys at the top of their game turning out the best music ever.


Message: 5051 Posted: Sun Feb 28 21:11:58 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Steve Orchard

Steve, to help you with that comprehensive list, go to
WWW.ALLMUSIC.COM and put in Gerry Beckley's name, and you'll
get a good amount of projects he worked on.
Howard L

Message: 5050 Posted: Sun Feb 28 20:58:50 1999 By: Ryan
Subject: Research project

I am a high school sophmore researching bands fro the 70's. My study is on the recent popularity of groups such as America, Three Dog Night, and more. Can anyone tell me the approximate ticket sales on America concerts over the last year or so? It would be a HUGE help.


Message: 5049 Posted: Sun Feb 28 20:55:06 1999 By: Erin
Subject: Random thought

Just saw the movie Message In A Bottle, and I couldn't help thinking Moment To Moment would have been PERFECT for the soundtrack, or even in the movie itself...just a thought.
Erin :o)

Message: 5048 Posted: Sun Feb 28 20:46:18 1999 By: Mike Krasney
Subject: 1999 Tour dates

Hey, I wondered if anyone had heard that America is coming to the Baltimore/Washington area. A friend told me they heard a rumor that they might be, and I want tickets (I'll be first in line). Anyone heard anything? And if so, how do we get word out to all of the America fans in the area, so we can support our guys?

Message: 5047 Posted: Sun Feb 28 15:06:41 1999 By: Brian
Subject: Re: Stockton show 2/27

Free Souvineer postcards. What a great idea. I think that would work very well. Good thinking nada. Wish I could go to tonights show. I understand it's in a very cozy venue. I'd like to here a recap of that one for those who get to go. Thanks.

Message: 5046 Posted: Sun Feb 28 13:25:09 1999 By: nada
Subject: Stockton show 2/27

Great show last night in Stockton. Yes they are playing 4 songs from Human Nature: moment to moment (sounded great), pages, wheels are turning, and FAMT. Mirror to Mirror from Hourglass is still being played as well. A well rounded set! Great T's this year too. I did notice the CD's go for $20 and the cassettes $15 - which is way too high. I know the house marks things up, but that really hurts. Maybe a postcard of the new CD with info on where to buy (where fine records are sold) could be given away free at the table - that may work better? kind of a CD reminder / souvineer to take away with you.

Message: 5045 Posted: Sun Feb 28 13:14:59 1999 By: Joe Knight
Subject: Re: Yes, "Wheels"

DARN RIGHT I am happy about it Johnny!!!! I cant wait until may to see them in Knoxville Tenn

Message: 5044 Posted: Sun Feb 28 12:15:26 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Midi files-fwiw

There have been some inquiries (in both this folder and the AOL folder) about finding some America Midi files.
A site to check out is

If it's on the net, it's searchable by that engine.....

Happy Hunting!

Message: 5043 Posted: Sun Feb 28 09:32:29 1999 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: I'm working on a list of America's "extra curricular activities"

I'm in the process of putting together a comprehensive list of outside projects that the guys have done apart from America. That'll give us
a more thorough look at the stuff that is out there,and it'll give collectors a chance to add this material to their collections. Here's
an example of what I need: The guys doing duets,background vocals
on other peoples projects etc. An example would be: How many of you know that Gerry & Dewey did vocal work with David Cassidy in
the middle 70's? Gerry does some great background vocals on a
song called "Take this heart"--the liner notes of a Cassidy CD refer
to this song as a "duet with Gerry Beckley".....anyways,you get the
idea. I'm not looking for video stuff,just audio and then as we get a
good list,Steve Lowry will post it. Comments? Input? Thanks!

Message: 5042 Posted: Sun Feb 28 07:57:16 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: America-the 1999 Tour

You are very right, it is worth re-mentioning . No one works harder than AMERICA - certainly one of the reasons thay have been doing it very successfully for over 25 years. In an overcrowded industry that seems to harbor plenty of flash & glitter, AMERICA has stayed the course in their own well disciplined approach to perfoming & recording. They will not be thrown off course. They have developed a very dedicated fan base & I think we all know why. AMERICA can always be counted on as one of the great wonders of this world.

Message: 5041 Posted: Sun Feb 28 07:03:14 1999 By: bruce
Subject: Simple Life

Got a good listen to Dan Peek's "Simple Life" on real audio. Sometimes you forget how much he added to the band.

Message: 5040 Posted: Sun Feb 28 03:06:55 1999 By: mBluLight
Subject: Re: Pechanga concert Friday night

1)WAY easier to play another persons songs in front of thousands then to play your own in front of 5
2) silver chain. from the philipines. a gift from dad. but definitely not gold. never into that ("i pity the foo")
3) I was STOKED my friends came.


Message: 5039 Posted: Sat Feb 27 23:17:44 1999 By: Russ Josephson
Subject: Trade? America/Dan Peek rare tracks

I have all four Dan Peek solo albums, and would like to trade
with people who have America videos or hard-to find non-album
tracks. Russ
See my web page at

Message: 5038 Posted: Sat Feb 27 22:46:29 1999 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: Pechanga concert Friday night

Hi, everyone.
Will add my two cents to Jim and Leaky's reviews. Spoke with Jim quite a bit but hadn't made arrangements to meet Leaky and his wife, so we didn't hook up.
As stated, audience reception for the new 4 songs from Human Nature was great. A little disappointed that Brad missed the opening lead notes for From A Moving Train, as I feel that intro has tremendous memory potential, just like the opening for Ventura Highway.
On Wheels, Woodz played Gerry's keyboard and Gerry played guitar.
Most of the people around me were enthusiastic, but only Nancy in the front row (Gerry commented on her) and I were the only ones around close who knew all the words to all the songs, especially the HN songs. Nancy and Ginny, did you find this page yet? Log in with your reviews of last night if you did. (Nancy was sitting in front of me, over at the end of the row. I had talked with her before the show started.)
They got good mention of Human Nature, and were selling tapes and cds. As Leaky mentioned, they also had '99-'00 new design t-shirts out, and SWEATSHIRTS!!!! Been hoping for long sleeved t shirts or sweatshirts, so I'm happy. Bought one in dark green.
As also mentioned, Gerry & Dewey came out to the concession table and signed autographs, very graciously. Jim, you looked out of place with them behind the table since you didn't have a GUN like all the other security guards!!!
Got two cd's and my sweatshirt signed. Stood right next to Gerry for about 5 minutes waiting to get through the cycle with those 3 items, since there wasn't a system for moving things in and out for the two of them to sign.
A gal asked Dewey what alligator lizards in the air are, and he told her "cloud formations." That's not one I've seen listed here before!
I came prepared, per instructions from Jim Nakao, with my own Sharpie and a laundry pen for me sweatshirt. This got me an extra bonus, as a gal had gotten Willie's drumsticks, but he didn't have a Sharpie to sign them. So she asked to borrow mine, and gave me one of the signed drumsticks when she returned the Sharpie!
America fans are so great.
Was great to see Matt come bounding out on the stage to do Horse with them (second encore song). Last time I saw him do that he was 16, and he wasn't taller than his dad then! Gerry looked very pleased to have him there, especially when he was boucing all over the stage with his guitar. (Matt, Sara had a hard time believing you were that animated up there when you were so shy when we saw you play the coffeshop!) The ZZ Top move on Horse is always such a kick for me. They were really hamming it up with Matt egging them on. Just got a chance to say hi to him afterward, not much more, other than he gave me a hug! He had a group of friends with him.
Great concert, pretty decent venue.
Now I'm waiting for the Humphrey's schedule to see when they play in San Diego.
Glad you got the tape, Maureen. Haven't gotten mine yet from you.
If any of my pictures turn out, I'll send them off to Steve to post on the web page. Don't know if they will, since I was sneaking them (armed guards are intimidating, even when they're busy getting into the show and not watching the audience very well.)
Take care, all.
I'm a happy camper now.
ShariL <><

Message: 5037 Posted: Sat Feb 27 21:11:21 1999 By: Jesse Pagan
Subject: Regarding Video

Carlos, Cisneros: Subject Video
Ive seen America in concert several times, but never preforming the song All My Life. Im interested in obtaining the video I would like to purchace it . An America fan thank you Jesse.

Message: 5036 Posted: Sat Feb 27 19:04:13 1999 By: BigAmericaFan
Subject: I Need You

Just got a copy somebody made of......
Jeremy Jackson, with America on "I Need You"
anybody ever hear this version.
Pretty Pretty WILD STUFF!!!

Message: 5035 Posted: Sat Feb 27 18:37:54 1999 By: leakycanoe
Subject: Re: America-the 1999 Tour

Jim, As I mentioned earlier, I was one of the lucky fans to get an autograph after the show. It appeared to me that Gerry and Dewey were doing great trying to meet everyones needs....sure they were busy with all of us fans trying to say hi to them....I dont feel that there is a need for an many bands do you know that will go out into a crowd after a show and thank their fans for the support....Gerry and Dewey are only human and all they can do is try and they try harder then any other band that I know of....

Message: 5034 Posted: Sat Feb 27 16:27:32 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Thanks Leaky

Thanks Leaky for the review. I feel much better now!

Message: 5033 Posted: Sat Feb 27 16:11:49 1999 By: David M
Subject: Re: Europe visit and "H R"release


yes there is another UK based fan out here.....great to hear from you!

like you, I am desperate to see America in Europe, but am resigning myself to the fact that I will have to go to East Coast USA date - definately in 1999

Message: 5032 Posted: Sat Feb 27 16:05:24 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: AMERICA - the 1999 Tour

AMERICA continues on an extremely busy tour schedule. Aready this year they have done many, many shows. The pace is very demanding, so please understand that it can be quite difficult at times for them to do autographs after shows. A case in point was Pechanga on 2/26, they did what they could after the sold out show & I believe almost everyone was taken care of (just under 1,000 screaming fans) but the tour bus & equipment was scheduled to go to Stockton for the next show, a 7-8 hour drive, that had to commence that nite to arrive by late morning the next day. Set-up for 8pm shows is usually starts in the very early afternoon, shortly after noon time.
The point is simply that things are very very busy & there are so many demands on their time.
Thanks for all your support !! AMERICA forever !!!

Message: 5031 Posted: Sat Feb 27 15:26:08 1999 By: leakycanoe
Subject: Pechanga again (since you asked)

...since you asked Johnny I'll give you quick a run down on Pechanga...perhaps others can also share thier stories....the play list was much the same as what I have seen here on the board with the addition of "wheels" and "Moment to Moment"....during the show a man ran up to the stage holding an America Record album and a pen...later a woman did the same...Dewey said that they had to take care of the show first...Gerry said "what was That"...Dewey reply..."vinyl"...we all got a laugh....Matt Beckley joined the band(as he has been)for "Horse with no name"...he was wearing a black shirt and gold chain around his neck...Gerry seeing his son..pulled his gold chain out from under his blach shirt and in fun tried to upstage was great fun.....after the show I got to say hello to Gerry and Dewey who were signing autographs (of course I jumped at my chance to get my Human Nature CD signed, my wife just happen to have it in her purse)..also got to say hi to Pete, Jim, and Kelly. For those of you up in Stockton and San Ramon California, be sure to say hi to Kelly...she's got a seat on the bus for the weekend and will be taking her turn at the T-shirt and CD table.....

It's hard to pick my favorite live song from the show last night.....they all sounded so good...Sandman rocked....Three Roses always takes me back to the 70's and the fun times I had in Modoc County California( I call it "Old man Took" country, which by the way I have not been able to hear live yet)......perhaps wheels was the most anticipated song for me last night..It sounded great...also it was the first time that I was able to hear gerry sing "dont cross the river" and dewey sing "lonely people".... dan or brad sang these Dan Peek songs at the past shows that I had been to... also I bought a 1999-2000 T-shirt that I just happen to be wearing right now....

My wife and I had a great time and can't wait for the next show.....I would love to hear comments from other fans that were there last night.....

Message: 5030 Posted: Sat Feb 27 15:07:22 1999 By: Joe Craig
Subject: Hangover Solo

Hey, would anybody happen to know the solo for Handover? I would really appreciate it if anyone would e-mail it to me, i don not have the recording anymore and cannot remember it very well. Thanks a bunch

Message: 5029 Posted: Sat Feb 27 13:25:16 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Various

Thank you very much Steve for the information about AMERICA's booking agent.

Robyn, thanks a lot for the review at the Key Club. I really enjoyed reading it.

Leaky, anything more to report from last night's performance? I'm living my life through everyone's pathetic, I know. I need to get a life of my own but for me, "it's life". You all in California are where it's happening so more info would be nice. I live in the desert where there's only alligator lizards, plants, and birds and rocks and things (and not many of them).

Message: 5028 Posted: Sat Feb 27 11:16:09 1999 By: leakycanoe
Subject: Pechanga

Great show at Pechanga last to hear the four Human Nature Jim said, they sound great live.......yaaa baby.......

Message: 5027 Posted: Sat Feb 27 11:05:28 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Karen D or Steve L: AMERICA's Booking Agent?

America's booking agent is Akiko Rogers at APA in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, I don't have her number (you can get it from Karen DiGesu). If Akiko is difficult to reach you can call Morey Management in Los Angeles at 310-278-0808. Of course, you can always contact Karen ( at Oxygen Records. She speaks to both band and management frequently and would be glad to help anyone who wishes to book America. She can be reached at 212 758-4636, extension 239 and welcomes the request!

Message: 5026 Posted: Sat Feb 27 10:22:14 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Karen D or Steve L: AMERICA's Booking Agent?

Karen D or Steve L, who does a college contact to book AMERICA for an appearance? AMERICA played years ago at the college I attended, Eastern New Mexico University. Texas Tech University in Lubbock has a large student population and would be a great venue as well as New Mexico State University in Las Cruces.

Message: 5025 Posted: Sat Feb 27 09:03:35 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Europe visit and "H R"release

John, there aren't any UK tour dates scheduled for 1999 as of yet. However, the schedule is always being updated so keep checking the concerts web page for the latest updates. As for Human Nature being released in the UK, I'll have to let Karen answer that one.

Message: 5024 Posted: Sat Feb 27 08:19:53 1999 By: John London
Subject: Europe visit and "H R"release

Thanks to the Internet and CD now I got Human Nature last September soon after USA release date. I'm a big UK fan as is my 6 year old som Sam. Will Human Nature be released in the UK and are there any plans for Gerry & Dewey to do any European dates before the end of 1999. I think their current stuff really needs to be heard in the UK.


PS Any UK fans about?

Message: 5023 Posted: Sat Feb 27 07:37:12 1999 By: laura
Subject: Tracey still taking on...

what I should have said (don't want her on my case now) was that Danny/Dewey only got credit for those songs she wrote...
Seriously, it was good name/song recognition/spotlight.

AND - thank you to Karen - 'coz I'd have definitely missed it w/out her.

Message: 5022 Posted: Sat Feb 27 07:28:36 1999 By: America Fan
Subject: ET / VH1

Sometimes on Entertainment Tonight (or maybe it's the weekend version), they'll have a little promo a day or 2 prior to the VH1 premeire of the "Where Are They Now?"s. Maybe America will slip in for a little extra spotlight time. If anything will make it worthwhile to watch creepy Mary Hart, that would be it. I'll be checking it out Sun, Mon, Tues w/ my fingers crossed...

Message: 5021 Posted: Sat Feb 27 07:22:31 1999 By: laura
Subject: Tracey takes on....

caught it last night - totally cracked me up! Since the Danny they spoke of seems to have written "Horse" & "Tin Man", I just want to know if Dewey has a new nickname these days --- such as, perhaps, Tracey's selected term of endearment: f***head?

Message: 5020 Posted: Sat Feb 27 04:55:31 1999 By: janice
Subject: trivia

Many of you watched the Grammy's..I didn't. But at work this morning Monica's big win (along with Brandy) was front page news..plastered everywhere around my office..there may or may not be any Monica fans on this page, but her mom, Marilyn Best, works in my office as a clerk. For anyone wanting CD's signed or pics, Monica is always happy to oblige, comes in quite often (Mom and daughter day)..she used to belt out Xmas carols in here..anyway, just thought I'd share..she has really come a long way! Beautiful voice, and no "Celine" attitude. Have a great day.

Message: 5019 Posted: Sat Feb 27 02:19:33 1999 By: mBluLight
Subject: Re: Comercials

my friend's band switchfoot was just featured on dawson's creek.

pays well.
album sales still the same though.


Message: 5018 Posted: Sat Feb 27 02:15:55 1999 By: jimnak

Just a few cents to add re: the live WHEELS & MOMENT TO MOMENT.
WHEELS ARE TURNING live is really impactful & comes across w/very strong conviction. The live heavy bass lines & Willies thumping drums create a very rock n' roll rythmm & is terriifc live. Kind of like the live versions of THE BORDER, SURVIVAL & NEVER BE LONLEY, just to name a few.
MOMENT TO MOMENT is a tender song w/the type of truths & realities that we have probably all faced. This song comes across very well to the crowds & fits rather neatly alongside DAISY JANE as very high quality adult contemporary music. All the new songs have been very well received & the most common refrain from the fans is, 'I didn't know they had a new disc out'. I hope you all get to hear the 4 HUMAN NATURE songs. Remember these 4 were played in shows that slightly exceed 1 1/2 hours, the long show. AMERICA is always bound by contractual terms as to the length of the show, so at times they may have to eliminate a song or 2 to meet shorter concert lengths.

Message: 5017 Posted: Fri Feb 26 21:59:29 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: More questions about "Simple life"...

Does anybody know how "simple life" came to be included on the Japanese Version of "Hearts"? One noteable thing to mention: It was NOT produced by George Martin,according to the Liner notes. Would be interesting to know how this bonus track came to be included.

Steve, as I mentioned to Kevin in message 4870, it's my understanding that "Simple Life" was created for a blue jean commerical in Japan and became somewhat popular because of the exposure over there. That's why it was included on the Japanese version of the CD. I know that some of the America Fans don't have the Japanese version so I've put a Real Audio file of "Simple Life" on the web site.

Message: 5016 Posted: Fri Feb 26 21:02:22 1999 By: janice
Subject: Robyn: Key club

Sounds like you had a great time! Like I mentioned to you, my son is better and now I am to be out there on 3/17..but of course they will heading out this direction by then, which means I will miss Florida now too! :( Like they say at work.."when my ship comes in..with my luck, I'll be at the airport!" Glad you had fun..I would love to hear Matt, more than ever! Thanks for the review! Good night.

Message: 5015 Posted: Fri Feb 26 20:01:37 1999 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: More questions about "Simple life"...

Does anybody know how "simple life" came to be included on the
Japanese Version of "Hearts"? One noteable thing to mention: It was
NOT produced by George Martin,according to the Liner notes. Would
be interesting to know how this bonus track came to be included.

Message: 5014 Posted: Fri Feb 26 19:49:54 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: To ShariL

Hi Shari,
Thanks for the tape. I got it yesterday. Pretty neat, and thanks for the birthday wishes. Please take notes on tonights show and give Gerry & the gang my best. Enjoy tonight....Maureen

Message: 5013 Posted: Fri Feb 26 18:33:49 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Key Club Show

Well, here is my take on last night>

The opener, Pacific Coast Highway, had the crowd rockin' They are a pretty tight group, with a pretty hot fiddle player. Good sound, fun group.

I cannot remember the order of all the songs the guys player last night, but I remeber thinking, "boy, they really DO read the chat folder!" as, except, Shayne for "Inspector Mills" they played every one of the songs we listed as our favourites! (They did play "Mirror to Mirror") When they played my favorite "Another Try" I had to keep biting my lip . I thought I was going to star crying like a FOOL! ( You all know what that song means to me, what a rare treat to hear it live, and in such an intimate setting too. My "spot" was quite close to the stage, just behind the chairs they had set on the floor. I could really see their faces for once. This was especially good when they came out for the encore and Matt was with them. When Matt took his solo, the look of fatherly pride on Gerry's face is one I will not forget. And Matt was GREAT! He looked so at home on the stage and he plays a wicked guitar! I should have KNOWN!

Oh yeah and I finally got a clear listen to my most misheard lyric, from "Don't cross the River" I always heard "without out no bridges shes got so much time" it's really ( I think now) she's trapped on our side" should check Steve's lyric page to be sure.

I did not speak with the band, Johnny. So you will have to ask Dewey the One Morning question yourself. My friend and I did sneak into the VIP lounge, but it did not seem appropriate to speak with them, they were relaxing and talking to Industry People. Still It was nice to see them off stage too.

GREAT SHOW!!! When can we do this again ( and please play a place I can take my eleven year old, she is miffed she could not go!)

Message: 5012 Posted: Fri Feb 26 18:01:23 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Comercials

Dunno, but whenever I take the Coast Starlight, it runs about one hour behind-like clockwork! (lol) Seriously, I think it's a good match, hope it works out!

Message: 5011 Posted: Fri Feb 26 17:38:33 1999 By: America Fan
Subject: TV listings

the Tracey Ullman episode spoken of is listed to be reshown tonight at 11 p.m. Central time (+ or - as needed), & then twice next Tuesday before she moves on to her next episode. With that & the VH1 show Tuesday, there's yet a 3rd thing to set your VCR to tape next week --- Rick Springfield will be on "Suddenly Susan" Mon.... :)

Message: 5010 Posted: Fri Feb 26 16:45:51 1999 By: Michelle
Subject: Re: Comercials

I have a 15 yr old son, and I watch "Dawsons Creek" with him (gotta keep some of the stuff those kids do in perspective for him!).

My point is, they use lots of music in the show, and at the end of each episode they put in a plug for the albums that they used songs from. Any possiblility of getting them interested in anything off of Human Nature? "Moment to Moment" would fit quite a few of their scenarios. Michelle

Message: 5009 Posted: Fri Feb 26 16:10:49 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: VH-1 "Where Are They Now" Airings

Karen, are all those dates for the episode featuring America? I knew that. Who were the other groups sharing that spot again?
Thanks again to everyone for a job well-done!

Message: 5008 Posted: Fri Feb 26 16:05:58 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Yes, "Wheels"

Yes, TerryT and Robyn, it is good news about "Wheels" being played live. Good decision, Gerry and Dewey!! Now we just need a concert date in Albuquerque this year. Joe Knight is very happy about "Wheels" too, no doubt.

Message: 5007 Posted: Fri Feb 26 16:04:56 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: Comercials

Actually, we've been in talks with Amtrak for months. Slow, to say the least. Are their trains like this, too?


Message: 5006 Posted: Fri Feb 26 16:03:49 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: VH-1 "Where Are They Now" Airings

The following is the schedule for airings of the Classic Rock episode of VH-1's "Where Are They Now" series:

Tuesday, March 2 at 10pm

Repeat Broadcasts
Tuesday, March 2 at midnight
Friday, March 5 at 3pm
Saturday, March 6 at 11am
Sunday, March 7 at 6pm
Wednesday, March 10 at 8pm

Karen D.
Oxygen Records

Message: 5005 Posted: Fri Feb 26 15:23:46 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Comercials

I saw on a news show the other day how using songs in commercials really helped boost sales of different CDs and artists. Karen, try making a pitch to Amtrak or any other transit company on using From A Moving Train in a commercial!

Message: 5004 Posted: Fri Feb 26 14:25:35 1999 By: carlos cisneros
Subject: Hearts

Hello Everybody: I would like to buy the CD Hearts (with Simple Life).
Please let me know.

Message: 5003 Posted: Fri Feb 26 14:23:08 1999 By: Carlos Cisneros
Subject: video

October 98, the band was in ecuador.
The show was killer, they played 25 songs.
I need you, with Gerry this time on the guitar(he always play this song on the piano). All my life (unplugged) Gerry solo on stage.
The Guayaquil Civic Center was full.
I have the video of this concert. Something to trade?

Message: 5002 Posted: Fri Feb 26 12:30:31 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: 1982 Memorabilia

Hi all. We're redesigning the "King Biscuit Presents...America" CD and I'd like to incorporate some memorabilia from 1982 in the booklet.

Does anyone have a ticket stub, tee shirt, backstage pass or anything else from that time that I could use in the booklet? Photos would work, too.

Please email me directly. Thanks!

Karen D.
Oxygen Records

Message: 5001 Posted: Fri Feb 26 11:14:20 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Key Club-LA

Happy for you, Robyn! So they added 2 more "oldies" to their playlist! WHEELS musta got the place rollin". Johnny will be pumped.

AND, for being the 5000th message on this board, you win an all-expense paid trip to...

Message: 5000 Posted: Fri Feb 26 10:48:42 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Key Club - LA

Hey---WHere were you? I was really close to the stage hooting like a crazy person! If I had known you were ther, I would have liked to speak with you in person!

Message: 4999 Posted: Fri Feb 26 10:37:49 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: reg : Key Club

The show was absolutly fabulous!!!!!!!!! Four songs from Human nature, Moment to Moment From A Moving Train, Pages and Wheels are Turning ( I thought of you Johnny!!!) Wonderfully received by a largly industry crowd. My highlight? Seeing Matt perform "HOrse" with an absolutly beaming Gerry standing behind him ( hey Matt, how was that, meant to talk to yopu, but you seemed a bit busy after the show)

I will give a complete review later. A most enjoyable evening!

Message: 4998 Posted: Fri Feb 26 09:43:08 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: "Simple life" lyrics etc...

The lyrics to ALL of America's songs are on the America Fans web site at /america/amsongs.htm. Simply click on the title of the song and it will take you to the lyrics. This link will take you directly to the lyrics for "Simple Life".

Message: 4997 Posted: Fri Feb 26 09:27:58 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: TerryT & the mysterious fan #07

When you go thru Steve's Fan listings, I'm in the T's but if you click on it, you'll see my numerical listing as #07. (C:

Message: 4996 Posted: Fri Feb 26 09:21:34 1999 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: Maureen's birthday

Hopefully you will get the tape today that I sent, hoping to receive yours today as well.
I will enjoy tonight's concert doubly in honor of your birthday!
ShariL <><

Message: 4995 Posted: Fri Feb 26 09:12:49 1999 By: leakycanoe
Subject: reg : Key Club

....sounds like those of us that couldn't make the key club last night missed a great show...perhaps Robyn can give us a detail account of the show....what a treat to hear four Human Nature songs...I agree with their selection of adding Wheels and Moment to Moment.....I hope we are as lucky tonight at Pechanga, as those at the Key Club...if so its gonna be a "Hot Town" tonight...."Down in this hot town, at some ol' cafe tonight, you hear the boys wail, Gerry, Dewey, and band....Its feels like a hundred degrees and the the music sets you free, in this hot town, this hot town tonight....."

Message: 4994 Posted: Fri Feb 26 09:03:44 1999 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: "Simple life" lyrics etc...

Well,you learn something new everyday! I didn't realize that "simple life" WASN'T on the domestic version of "Hearts". I checked my original vinyl...and it wasn't on there! fortunatly I do have the Japanese Import and its a Great Dan Peek song! Also,even though
the liner notes are in japanese,the song lyrics are also printed in English. If somebody has to know something in particular,let me know and I'll retype them here. So....if you need another "lost" or "bonus"
track...looks like you need to get that Japanese version of "Hearts"!

Message: 4993 Posted: Fri Feb 26 07:55:19 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: 1987 Concert Playlist

More "HN" songs...that's great! No "Wednesday Morning" strange.

I found my 1987 AMERICA ticket stub and had the playlist attached. AMERICA was touring with The Dog Night. The date was October 20, 1987 in Albuquerque. The songs played were: Tin Man, The Border, Old Man Took, Daisy Jane, I Need You, Company, Ventura Highway, Sister Golden Hair, You Can Do Magic, Here, Greenhouse, Sandman, A Horse With No Name.

Message: 4992 Posted: Fri Feb 26 07:38:22 1999 By: Ron B
Subject: Venues

In this area of the country, America is playing bigger venues this year over last year. I hope it's that way all over. That's great news.

Message: 4991 Posted: Fri Feb 26 07:35:32 1999 By: Ron B
Subject: America in Wichita

Wayne, you stated you purchased tickets to the May show. Where? The ticket agencies say they don't know anything about it yet.

Message: 4990 Posted: Fri Feb 26 02:55:02 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Key Club - LA

Ok who was there & wishes to report ? Kelly ? Leakycanoe ? Billy Hinsche ?
Just to give you all a flavor b/4 someone posts an in-depth review. Four, count 'em four songs from HUMAN NATURE played. FROM A MOVING TRAIN, WHEELS ARE TURNING, MOMENT TO MOMENT & PAGES. A smashing success in Los Angeles, standing room only !!!!!

Message: 4989 Posted: Thu Feb 25 21:40:48 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Robyn/Beech/Johnny

To whom were you referring, regarding fan #7?

Terry, fan #7 is Tery Holly. From her bio you can also follow the link to her personal home page.

Message: 4988 Posted: Thu Feb 25 21:22:33 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Funny Incident Today

My dad told me that he received a phone call from someone today wanting to speak to me. My dad is 77 and his hearing is poor and he's too vain to wear a hearing aid. Anyway, he said the manager of Bank of America was wanting to get in touch with me. On second thought, he said he wasn't sure if he heard it right....that the caller may have said he was the manager of a band called AMERICA and wanted to talk to me. I thought that was so funny. I assured him it was the bank manager; however, no one has called back yet so I guess, "All Things Are Possible" but the first choice is 99.9999% more likely.

Message: 4987 Posted: Thu Feb 25 19:58:05 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Advice to Friends of America

To Robyn and anyone meeting Dewey, Gerry and the rest of the band just remember this...They Are truly nice and extremely appreciative of their Friends! (They don't like to call us FANS- Dewey says it's too impersonal.) Just speak with them about anything except the old.."I Have All Your records & I've loved you since I was in my mother's womb yadayadayada etc..." TerryT is absolutely correct in his assessment of an America encounter. Re-read his posting and it really gives the necessary insight. Oh yes, the first time I met them I definitely shoved my foot in my mouth but since then I've come to realize that they are Human and if they don't have time to chat they will politely excuse themselves. The Tracy Ullman spoof was dealing with a burnt-out old hippie who was trying to act cool about America- Frivolous perhaps, but I thought it was funny and it added to the mystique of our favorite band. She is fantastic. I agree with you Karen, I'm still chuckling.. ha ha ha LOL....TeeTee

Message: 4986 Posted: Thu Feb 25 19:18:36 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: Tracy Ullman

I saw that. It was slightly funny, but I was glad to see America get some publicity even though Tracy obviously didn't know much about America.

For those who didn't see Tracy's show on HBO. She did a skit as an old hippie woman. It opens with another woman talking to her and Tracy says "I hate America!" The woman acts shocked, then Tracy mumbles something about the grammy. Then the woman says "Oh, you mean the group, not the country." Then Tracy says how she used to date America's lead singer, Danny. And that he used her lyrics for songs without crediting her. Then she tells the story about how Danny saw her one time and asked her where she'd been, she said "through the desert on a horse with no name." Then another time Danny came to her feeling empty, and she told him "Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man that he didn't already have."

I must say that her knowledge of the group ranks right up there with many of the rock music historians who are writing books.

Message: 4985 Posted: Thu Feb 25 18:50:08 1999 By: Wayne
Subject: Wichita, KS concert

Is anyone out there planning on the Wichita, KS concert on May 26?

Message: 4984 Posted: Thu Feb 25 18:33:10 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: "Wheels" As The Next Release??????

Johnny, you've got that right, as a matter of fact I was thinking about how different it was to meet ( and work with!) Lauren and Novi. I knew their music and that WAS the reason I went to work for them ( I was kinda busy at the time juggling two other gigs), but this would be a whole different ball game. I'll let you know how it was. I will probably be incommunicado till some time next week, as I am in the middle of relocating three libraries (that's what I do, among other things) if i get a chance, I will check in with you.

Message: 4983 Posted: Thu Feb 25 17:51:19 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Robyn/Beech/Johnny

Beech, I TOTALLY agree with you about "I can sing better than anyone" Celine, but that's another entire webpage! Glad I missed hearing that sinking ship song another time. Saturday Night Live did such a great skit on her...anybody see it? It featured a Celine look-alike promoting her new album entitled, "I Can Sing Better Than You Can" or something, then a few skits where she did duets with various famous artists, trying to upstage them to the point where they had to push her away or try to shut her up. It was very good stuff. To whom were you referring, regarding fan #7? Bill? I'm puzzled.

Robyn, Johnny is right about all he said so well when encountering the Guys. Bring a pen for backup only...they definitely have very good felt markers in their holsters, but you never know if they'll run out during a heavy session of scribbling. I've seen them sign everything and anything, just short of giving a fan a tatoo. Unlike me, they are very aware and can answer questions or converse while they're writing. They have been doing it for so long that it is second nature. In fact it is a little eerie how aware they are to conversation while they are flailing away with their writing instruments. I'm not surprised, it goes with the territory, but it was pretty cool to see it happening. Same as when they are performing. If you see any of the Other Three Guys around, please give then some attention, too, and they will respond. They politely stay in the background while the Original Two get swamped, but are more than willing. Woodz looks a lot like Dewey when wearing shades, which he donned after a recent concert. Some folks were yelling "Dewey" at him... They ALL deserve our credit.

Message: 4982 Posted: Thu Feb 25 17:47:13 1999 By: jessica
Subject: one morning.....

Friday morning here, around 8am. The sky is overcast and all's quiet around the office this early. Just the perfect time for "I Don't Believe in Miracles" and the whole of Alibi. Add this folder and a cup of good coffee and my morning is made. I'm sure you guys have tried this yourself at one time or another.

Won't be able to join the chat session later so i just brought my discman at work to have a good and long listen at some of my favorite America CDs. Have a fun time!

For those wanting the VGG CD: I just made a tour of the music stores here and even the one where I got my copy 3 or 4 years ago. Sorry to say that there was no sign of VGG anywhere. I used to have an extra copy but I gave it as a gift to a friend I met here.

Will continue looking, just in case.

Message: 4981 Posted: Thu Feb 25 16:44:05 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: "Wheels" As The Next Release??????

I would really like to have some indepth discussion on the following. I mentioned it before but there wasn't much thought given to it.

One of our fellow fans, I forgot who, mentioned she heard "Wheels Are Turning" on a store's public music system. How very odd, don't you think, unless it's going to be the next single from "HN". What other reason would there be for it being played? I think the next single hasn't been released because the guys are still perfecting the song to be played live. As Jimnak has told us, if it ain't perfect by Gerry and Dewey's standards, it won't be played yet. Your thoughts??

PS to Robyn: Yes, Robyn, meeting Dewey and Gerry is way different than meeting other performers since they and their music hold a special place in each of our hearts. It's not quite like meeting Lauren Wood or Novi for the first time, right? It's that times 100!

Message: 4980 Posted: Thu Feb 25 15:54:18 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: To Robyn

Thanks Johnny, as always the voice of sanity! I will try your suggestion. I have worked in the music industry and met many people, but these guys are pretty special to me. Hard not to be in awe, if ya know what I mean!

Message: 4979 Posted: Thu Feb 25 15:37:12 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: To Robyn

Thanks Robyn. Just think of Dewey and Gerry as friends that you've known since 1971 because they really are. It's just that they don't know it yet from their end. Don't forget to take your favorite album, cassette, or CD for an autograph if you get the chance. It'll be something you wished you would have done afterwards. Don't forget to take something for them to write with, too.

Message: 4978 Posted: Thu Feb 25 15:09:40 1999 By: KevinS.
Subject: To Robyn

Robyn, I'll be happy to tape Van Go Gan for you. Just e-mail me your address where I can send it to you. Also, this morning I got an e-mail from asking me the same thing, about taping Van Go Gan for her. Unfortunatly, I've tried to respond to you a number of times today but my e-mails keep getting sent back. So, if you just e-mail me your address, I'll send you a tape.


Message: 4977 Posted: Thu Feb 25 15:08:41 1999 By: Beech
Subject: I Need You Sheet Music Cover

Had to laugh at Warner,,,,,,My Ventura Highway sheet music cover is the exact same pic. It has a purple block instead of an orangish block......Boy they sure did SHELL OUT THE BUCKS for us piano players.....lolol.

Message: 4976 Posted: Thu Feb 25 15:04:38 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: dewscape

Makes TOTAL sense to me!

Message: 4975 Posted: Thu Feb 25 14:57:48 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: Grammy Awards Last Night-shiver, shiver

I didn't mind the dress......what I did mind was the crone's victory of "My Heart Will Go On". I have no problem rooting for James Horner, I have a MAJOR problem rooting for vain Ms. Dion, ACK....sigh. Just my opinion, I'm sure....(my poor TV brick)

Message: 4974 Posted: Thu Feb 25 14:54:34 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: One And Only One Album

It would be easy for me to say my favorite was "Homecoming" (take a gander at fan #7 on the main page bio's-for the background) but I like "Hearts". As "commercial" as it was for the time, the mood is VERY
different. I love the opening strains of Company to Bell Tree to Old Virginia to Seasons! It truely progressed as a body of work-one of Sir George's trademarks. "Hattrick" is a close second by a nano-second, though. I LOVE Willow Tree Lullabye!

Message: 4973 Posted: Thu Feb 25 14:44:52 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Msg. To Robyn


If I get the chance to speak with Dewey and IF my mouth works, I will try to remember to ask him.

Message: 4972 Posted: Thu Feb 25 14:30:53 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Msg. To Robyn

Robyn, if you get the chance to visit with Dewey, will you please ask him if "One Morning" was written with Dan in mind and if not, anyone in particular? My and Joanne's inquiring mind would like to know. I know you will have a great time!!

Message: 4971 Posted: Thu Feb 25 13:59:18 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Grammy Awards Last Night and tonite's show

geez, with the money Shania makes you would think she could have bought the whole dress! (lol) {sarcasim marking- ;) }

Am I the ONLY ONE from the folder going to tonite's show at the Key club? I will have to be really loud ( as if THAT is a problem)

KevinS I would love to get a copy of Van GO Gan, I wasn't prepared for Yngmoons "generous" offer. How do we do this?

Message: 4970 Posted: Thu Feb 25 11:27:37 1999 By: America Fan
Subject: Re: Grammy Awards Last Night

She looked great to me.

Message: 4969 Posted: Thu Feb 25 10:49:00 1999 By: America Fan
Subject: Grammy Awards Last Night

Did you watch the Grammy Awards last night? Any comments? I thought Shania Twain was going to give birth on stage the way she was poised throughout her entire performance wearing that mighty short skirt. I thought it (her stance) was in poor taste.

Message: 4968 Posted: Thu Feb 25 09:52:07 1999 By: Chatty
Subject: Live Chat Tonight

Here's your weekly reminder that there will be a live chat session tonight at 9 pm Eastern. Remember, you need to have a Java capable browser in order to participate.

Message: 4967 Posted: Thu Feb 25 09:39:33 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Simple Life

The entire song of "Simple Life" has been digitized and placed on the America Fans web site as a Real Audio file. That way you can listen to it even if you don't have the Japanese version.

Message: 4966 Posted: Thu Feb 25 09:12:58 1999 By: KevinS.
Subject: Simple Life

If anyone wants me to tape Simple Life, or even Van Go Gan for that matter, let me know.

Jimnak, you were talking about all the Japanese on the CD covers. One of the funniest things is to read the lyrics on the Japanese imports. Some of the translations of the lyrics are hilarious. What obviously happened is that somewhere along the line the orginal lyrics were translated to Japanese. Then, when these CDs became available in the early 90s, rather than going back to the original English lyrics, somebody must have translated the Japanese back to English. A whole lot gets lost in translation. Some of it is just plain hilarious.


Message: 4965 Posted: Thu Feb 25 08:13:57 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Hearts

As Howard mentioned the version w/Simple Life is only on the import version. You may try an outlet that is able to order imports, usually they have a catalog to determine whether it is available for special order. The Warners material that was virtually all available at one time as a Japanese import, contains extensive sleeve material in all the discs, unfortunately all in Japanese. I am looking for translation, just dieing to know what other great info is in there. Even VAN GO GAN had extensive sleeve material in the disc cover, still wondering what it says.

Message: 4964 Posted: Thu Feb 25 07:04:28 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Hearts CD

There are 2 versions of the Hearts CD.
The Japanese version includes the Simple Life song.
For the past 8 months, I've been searching on every music store
on the web for this. Can't be found anywhere. You might want
someone to tape it for you. Good luck,Howard L

Message: 4963 Posted: Thu Feb 25 05:05:46 1999 By: Jim Griffey
Subject: Hearts CD

I went to the "Collector's Choice" web site to order the "Hearts" CD...however in the track listings "Simple Life" was not listed. Was this a misprint on their part or is there more than one version of this CD?

Jim...Erie, PA

Message: 4962 Posted: Wed Feb 24 23:42:23 1999 By: PattiW
Subject: Early Songbook Photos

Thanks for posting the wonderful pictures. They bring back great memories from the early days (for those of us old enough to remember them!). What a nice surprise.

Message: 4961 Posted: Wed Feb 24 22:23:54 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: Key Club Appearance


Unfortunately, I can't get out there. I am very bummed out! I AM sending a bunch of journalists, though - so make sure to scream and yell!

Karen D.

Message: 4960 Posted: Wed Feb 24 22:16:09 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Tracy Ullman

I really, really hope that everyone got to see the Tracy Ullman show tonight!

If not, check the HBO site for the days and times. Look for the episode called "Tracy Takes On: America" and check out the hilarious skit on the band.

I'm still laughing!

Karen D.

Message: 4959 Posted: Wed Feb 24 21:12:40 1999 By: Brian
Subject: Re: America album I appreciate now more than before.

I find myself more appreciative of "Silent Letter". When it first came out there was an adjustment to make not having Dan there. It's got some great songs on it "All MY Life", "Tall Treasures", "One Morning", High In The City" ect... I got to know America through "Hearts" which led me to the first two albums. Those first two really shaped my musical personality. I find it intresting that most people picked those two as thier favorites. Those two are in my opinion very original. They get compared to CSN&Y (which is not bad or wrong) but America was using maj.7ths and CSN were into more minor chords, much more melancholy. The acoustic inter-play (stumming, lead work)on the first two I think is very oringinal. It started to change with "Hatrick" when they went from a folk rock band and became more of a pop band, which is not bad. The first two I guess came from the guys being so young and keeping things simple as far as production goes. It's been intresting watching the guys grow and evolve artisticly. Don't get me wrong I love the post "Homecoming" stuff but the first two in my opinion are special. Treasured music.

Message: 4958 Posted: Wed Feb 24 20:51:56 1999 By: Wayne
Subject: Disappointment

Well, I'm not paying $500 or $1000 for the Van Go Gan CD....guess I'll have to remain disappointed. But...clearing on the horizon...I live in Wichita, KS and have purchased tickets for a May 26 concert. Maybe I'll just ask Gerry for a copy of VGG the way, my favorite all time is Hearts, and I really like "Woman Tonight". A very unique tune. Human Nature, however, is some of the best work I've heard.


Message: 4957 Posted: Wed Feb 24 20:50:53 1999 By: Wayne
Subject: Disappointment

Well, I'm not paying $500 or $1000 for the Van Go Gan CD....guess I'll have to remain disappointed. But...clearing on the horizon...I live in Wichita, KS and have purchased tickets for a May 26 concert. Maybe I'll just ask Gerry for a copy of VGG the way, my favorite all time is Hearts, and I really like "Woman Tonight". A very unique tune. Human Nature, however, is some of the best work I've heard.


Message: 4956 Posted: Wed Feb 24 20:49:13 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: AC Cancelled....??????????

Yiks !! Does anyone have a clue about the Atlantic City shows ?? Karen, please, can you help us out on this?? Thanks to you or anyone....Maureen
Penny, did you hear, no NJ???

Message: 4955 Posted: Wed Feb 24 20:15:25 1999 By: BC
Subject: Re: America album I appreciate now more than before.

That album for me is "Hat Trick". For some reason, I never really got "into it" when it first came out. I continued to buy America LP's and then later, CDs and loved their music, but never really listened much to their third LP. Recently, I have "dusted it off" and have found that I really like just about everything on it! Even Muskrat Love! Great sound, great harmonies, and the way the songs were interwoven from one to the next is ....... inspired! They spent a lot of time creating it and it shows. Back in '73, "Green Monkey" could have been and probably should have been an FM radio hit.

Message: 4954 Posted: Wed Feb 24 18:37:04 1999 By: Joe B
Subject: Re: One And Only One Album

Hey You People,

My choice for the album that has most grown over time is "Hearts". Exceptional tunes (except for the weak link "Woman Tonight" - bad choice for the 3rd single - I'd love to see that deleted in concert for a quality Gerry or Dewey tune), great Sir George production, excellent musicianship. Throw in the Japanese import CD with the bonus cut "Simple Life" and you can't lose. Tom - I agree with you on "Only Game...". In fact, we talked about it ages ago on the board - I was disappointed that they chose a tune by outside writers (and not a very good one) to kick off the album on a new label. That choice led to a poor start for the LP. Capitol Records, hello!!!! God bless Karen & Oxygen.

Joe B

P.S. No postscript this time for a change.

Message: 4953 Posted: Wed Feb 24 17:57:29 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Key Club Appearance

IS anyone else from the chat folder going ( I rmember Karen D said she was going to be there-- would love to meet you, if possible, Karen) Let me know. I am looking forward to it!!!!!

Message: 4952 Posted: Wed Feb 24 17:57:22 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Key Club Appearance

IS anyone else from the chat folder going ( I rmember Karen D said she was going to be there-- would love to meet you, if possible, Karen) Let me know. I am looking forward to it!!!!!

Message: 4951 Posted: Wed Feb 24 17:49:19 1999 By: Andrew
Subject: One album that has gotten better and better...

I would have to say that Harbor, in my mind at least, is the album that has grown considerably better over the years. I didn't especially like the album when I first heard it -- especially Dan Peek's song, These Brown Eyes, as it marked a clear departure from their trademark sound (though I believe everyone here has a different idea of what that may be) but I must say that, overall, the whole album appeals to me more now than ever before, even after getting rid of it, along with a whole mess of other old LPs, several years ago. I suppose I may look into getting the album on CD...

Message: 4950 Posted: Wed Feb 24 17:38:08 1999 By: Jim Griffey
Subject: Re: lp appreciation

Well said!!!!

Jim Erie, PA

Message: 4949 Posted: Wed Feb 24 17:35:36 1999 By: Andrew
Subject: Re: Connecticut Fans Get Ready...

Also, this area of Connecticut -- a little further north of Torrington, in particular, has some of the most beautiful natural areas in the region. Plus, the AT (Appalacian Trail)runs through NWC(Northwest CT)as well. The area might prove to be an inspiration for future song writing. Any possibility of that?

Message: 4948 Posted: Wed Feb 24 16:44:49 1999 By: truthsaint
Subject: lp appreciation

I'd like to say I appreciate Hideaway more than ever. I believe America's 3 most underated songs are the singles Amber Cascades, Today's The Day, and especially Lovely Night ( which I never see any comments about).

Message: 4947 Posted: Wed Feb 24 16:40:43 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: One And Only One Album

My choice is "Silent Letter"! I recently got a hold of the CD and I must say, the overall quality of the production (Sir George) and the songwriting really kicks butt! When it was released, it was hard accepting AMERICA as a duo; and it didn't help that Capitol Records really didn't have a clue regarding how to give the LP the right push. What made it difficult for me was the lacklustre choice of "Only Game In Town" as the first single. I know that Dewey and Gerry had high hopes that the song would score with the record buying public but it just stiffed. Honestly, even after all these years-sorry Guys- but the song still doesn't do it for me. Clearly "Only Game..." is the "Only Lame..." thing on the entire album. Listening to it now I can see how wonderfully poignant songs like "1960", "All My Life" and "And Forever" are. I really like "All Around", "One Morning" and "High In The City". "Silent Letter" really belongs in any AMERICA Fan's music collection. The creativity really soars (Proving that Dan's departure wasn't the end of a great musical collaboration) and their voices sound so good- a definite highlight for so many different reasons!

Message: 4946 Posted: Wed Feb 24 11:35:01 1999 By: carlos cisneros
Subject: best america's album

For me Alibi is the #1 - Human Nature is close #1.
Good musicians played in Alibi, check it.

Message: 4945 Posted: Wed Feb 24 11:13:31 1999 By: JoanneM
Subject: Re:catskill concert(Michelle) Re:F.A.M.T Ad (Bobbee)

Hi Michelle,Here is friar tuck inn toll free number 1(800)832-7600,they have package prices I took America pkg.(A) the price is 270-for room,dinner,and show.They need a deposit for the package.Hope to see you there.
Hi Bobbee From a moving train ad, I seen on Wcbs,in New York during the Martha Stewart Living show from 9:30-10:00 am during Dec-98,I haven't seen it since.The commerical starts: with a old 'train" and you hear FAMT first, then you see people on a plaform,talking,and the camera follows a young woman as it pans down the platform you see the "guys" singing FAMT, its filmed in black and white,very well done.The ad says:America on Oxygen records "Human Nature" Take care JoanneM

Message: 4944 Posted: Wed Feb 24 10:00:34 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Greater Appreciation For...

For me, it's VIEW FROM THE GROUND. I've always enjoyed "Magic" and of course for me, "Jody" which is one of my favorite Gerry on lead vocals song. Having heard "Never Be Lonely" live, has given me a wonderful apprecation for the song. I've grown to really appreciate "Inspector Mills" and "Sometimes Lovers" as well.

Message: 4943 Posted: Wed Feb 24 09:51:20 1999 By: JL
Subject: Re: One And Only One Album

One album i appreciate more now... have to go with Human Nature. It is one of those rare gems that grows and grows with each playing. Find I am noticing little nuances every time it is on.Would also have to say it wasn't my favorite at first but I am enjoying it more and more.

Some albums are like a fine wine, they just take time to age and ferment in one's sole. (they also can give a hell of a buzz)

Message: 4942 Posted: Wed Feb 24 09:46:43 1999 By: Bobbee
Subject: Re: America album I appreciate now more than before.

Sometimes it takes a couple listens to any album before a person is hooked. I liked Human Nature on the first spin because of Train and Wed. Morning openers. By the way, how are Human Nature sales going and when will we see the next release? Anyone heard?

Message: 4941 Posted: Wed Feb 24 09:40:22 1999 By: Howard lieboff
Subject: Message to Rob

Hey Rob, have you been? Haven't heard from you in a while.
Hope al is well. Question, where is Torrington, CT?
How far from NYC? Best, HL

Message: 4940 Posted: Wed Feb 24 09:37:38 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Atlantic City/Cancelled

Called the Trump Marina box office, and they were just told
it was just cancelled, not told a reason. HMMMM?

Message: 4939 Posted: Wed Feb 24 09:26:12 1999 By: KevinS.
Subject: America album I appreciate now more than before.

Johnny: That's an easy one for me. It's Human Nature. When I first heard it, I was in some sort of funk or something because it was very disappointing to me. Maybe it's because it was advertised as "vintage America" and I was expecting the pre-George Martin vintage America days of Homecoming, America and Hat Trick, not to mention that I'd just gotten ahold of the Heard CD which really made me nostalgic for that early vintage sound. Instead, Human Nature was vintage George Martin America. Not bad, of course. But not the revolutionary (or at least to me) sound of early early America. In fact, now Human Nature reminds me a lot of Holiday. And that's certainly high praise. I'm still not 100% there on all the songs, though, and I doubt I ever will be. But there are some brilliant moments on Human Nature, moments I overlooked upon first listen.


Message: 4938 Posted: Wed Feb 24 08:55:15 1999 By: Rob
Subject: Connecticut Fans Get Ready...

A well-placed source tells me that "America" will be coming to Torrington, CT soon. The Warner Theatre, first built by Warner Bros. folks, will receive the supergroup sometime in May. Still not official. Three Dog Night just played there to rave reviews. This is a big theatre, right in the heart of Litchfield County. Crowds in this area are known to be very appreciative. Gerry, Dewey -- make some plans while you're in the area. I'm fairly certain you've never played this area before. Little entertainment trivia: Susan St. James, Michael J. Fox, Meryl Streep all live in the vicinity. Also Carole King's parents.

Message: 4937 Posted: Wed Feb 24 07:40:58 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: One And Only One Album

Jimnak, that's an accurate description you gave regarding Dewey and Gerry's music.

Hey all, how about this for the next topic: What one AMERICA album do you have a greater appreciation for now then you did when it was first released and why?

Message: 4936 Posted: Tue Feb 23 23:28:15 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: dewscape

Yes, yes Laura. certain DEWEY material has a surreal feel, like a fuzzy dream in which the interpretation is in the eyes & ears of the listener. Sort of abstract but woven w/enough phrases of realism to keep you wondering. RAINBOW SONG is a perfect example. WHOLEWIDE WORLD another. OLOOLOLO another. I think GERRY on the other hand, tends to deal w/more realism, things that the average person immediately relates to, born of the heart, imbedded in our souls. SARAH is a good example, WEDNESDAY MORNING another. CLOSE TO THE WIND another. Together the combination can be fascinating such as in HUMAN NATURE, SILENT LETTER etc.
Just an opinion, hard to describe, hard to communicate.

Message: 4935 Posted: Tue Feb 23 22:08:57 1999 By: janice
Subject: Trump concerts

Oh no Bruce. That will not be good news for Penny and Maureen. :(
Let us know what you find out....

Message: 4934 Posted: Tue Feb 23 17:33:46 1999 By: Bruce
Subject: Trump Marina Concerts

After contacting ticketmaster on-line, I found that the June 18th and 19th America shows at Atlantic City had been cancelled. Does anyone know if they are being re-scheduled?

Message: 4933 Posted: Tue Feb 23 17:12:14 1999 By: janice
Subject: Penchanga..

Yes..and Riverside County has some real die-hard fans..was at the Moreno show last year and the mass of humanity was incredible! Got there early for an up-front spot..baked in the sun for about 8 hours..lots of fun for Ronnie..pony rides..kiddie rides! It was July 4th, so fireworks followed..sounds like Pechanga will be a good time also! Taped the show, and if anyone would like to arrange a copy of it or of the Atlanta (Peachtree City) show 2 years ago send me an e-mail..we'll work a deal..not for profit..just want to share. Have a nice evening..

Message: 4932 Posted: Tue Feb 23 15:55:21 1999 By: Joe B
Subject: Re: Message to Joe B


Living in this surreal world of day after day job hunting, the odds are that I imagained the entire episode. Good job on the tabulation - that first album obviously touched folks deeply. Well, we were all young and impressionable back then, not old and jaded. Jim - I agree w/ your agreement w/ Kevin on "oololo" - a great, unique America tune.

Joe B

Message: 4931 Posted: Tue Feb 23 15:30:45 1999 By: laura
Subject: dewscape

I had a dream a few nights ago that might be of interest. (Or not -- scroll past me.)
As a frustrated talent of the your-guess-is-as-good-as-mine variety, here I actually had both the skill & the nerve to carry it off. My particular field of expression -- & claim to fame -- was a merge of photography & writing. (You ARE allowed to grossly exaggerate your abilities in dreams, right?) Anyway, I would take some absolutely stunning photo & have portions here & there of the impression erased - & replaced by words : evocative, sensual descriptions that would leave the viewer/reader with a deeper, even more insightful visual than if the image itself had been left undistorted.
It was a GREAT dream, fulfilling & oddly comforting --- & today it occurs to me that Dewey's lyricism at its best achieves that same magical, bizarre state where the senses overlap & the image that is realized comes at you from directions unexpected.

...make sense?

Message: 4930 Posted: Tue Feb 23 14:42:43 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: OlOOLOLO

Kevin S.,
I agree OLOOLOLO is an undiscovered experience. You are there ! so to speak. GERRY & DEWEY really did a fantastic job on this song. It is very much an example of the LP songs that undiscovered gems. The music behind the lyrics is so perfect for the look & feel that is communicated.

Message: 4929 Posted: Tue Feb 23 14:39:06 1999 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: Pechanga

.....I guess thats why they call me Leaky... :-)

Message: 4928 Posted: Tue Feb 23 14:37:11 1999 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: Pechanga

Regarding Pechanga sell out : I bought my tickets from Ticket master not knowing that they also sold VIP seating. I was going to try and upgrade my tickets and was told that they had sold out..... My assumption was that the whole show was sold out.....looking at the ticket masters web-page I see that they are indicating that they have tickets for when I was told that the show was sold had to have been for the VIP tickets only.....sorry about that...but the good news is that there may still be some general admissions tickets left.....

Message: 4927 Posted: Tue Feb 23 14:32:15 1999 By: KevinS.
Subject: Re: Pechanga

Do you mean every song on their playlist for the night is done twice, or every song they've ever released is done twice? Wouldn't that be nicer?

By the way, I had somewhat of a religious experience over the weekend. My wife and all the kids were gone and I had the house to myself while I put in a new floor. Maybe it was the acoustics bouncing off the hardwoods, maybe it was the beer, maybe it was that I'm lucky enough to have some really nice speakers, but that song "Oloololo" spoke to me on a whole new level. The bass/percusion thing, when played very loudly, is emotionally uplifting. I played it nearly a dozen times in a row and every time was better than the last. It's come close to bumping Wednesday Morning off the list as my favorite song off Human Nature.


Message: 4926 Posted: Tue Feb 23 13:20:38 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Pechanga

Hey did you know that Pechanga is in RIVERSIDE County !
I sure hope AMERICA plays RIVERSIDE at least twice. In fact my dream is a show where every song is played at least twice - double your pleasure !

Message: 4925 Posted: Tue Feb 23 12:28:49 1999 By: KevinS.
Subject: America Stuff

Now that Rick's site is gone, will there be any other place to buy America stuff like T-shirts and hats on-line? Living in a small town like Dallas with a combined population of only 4 million people in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, we don't get many America shows like they do in the big cities. It would be nice if there was a way to buy some of that stuff.

Also, I had a thought for Karen at Oxygen. I don't know if such a hat exists, but if there's a Human Nature hat, I'd send it to Mark McGwire. Last season, after every home run he hit, there was a press conference. And every time, he was wearing a different hat. I'm sure if he gets hot at the beginning of the season, the press will be all over him again after each game. Wouldn't it be great if after one of those games he'd have on a Human Nature hat? Or even an America hat? By the way, Tony LaRussa (his manager) predicted he'd hit 75 home runs this year. 75 opportunities for him to possibly be sporting an America cap.

Kevin S.

Message: 4924 Posted: Tue Feb 23 12:00:57 1999 By: Brandon Rose
Subject: Ladies & Gentlemen... The Opening Act

Steve is right on target with the opening act being different along the way for America during their 1999 tour. Steve was also correct when he mentioned that Christopher Cross was opening for America at some of the "performing arts" centers and halls. Or as Steve so aptly put it, "the acoustically friendly" gigs. Double C will open when the guys play the Barbara B. Mann Performing Arts Hall here in Fort Myers, Florida March 18.

Message: 4923 Posted: Tue Feb 23 11:21:35 1999 By: johnny
Subject: Message to Joe B

Joe B, I'm really sorry that I overlooked your vote. Scrolling through numerous postings looking for only the "Two and Only Two" was no easy task. I was afraid an oversight might happen. I went through all of the posts again after your message and I still didn't find it. Now you have me you remember the post number?

Message: 4922 Posted: Tue Feb 23 11:20:23 1999 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: Pechanga

Leakycanoe, where did you hear this concert was sold out? That's so cool, since I saw NO advertising in San Diego for it at all. (An audience of close to 3 million people). Since I had seen no advertising, and I've been looking, I was afraid it would be almost empty.
Looking forward to seeing you all there.
ShariL <><

Message: 4921 Posted: Tue Feb 23 10:14:58 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: Thanks

Been gone for a few days so I'm late in saying thanks to Steve and Jimnak for the info on the song, Simple Life. Like I said, hearing that song for the first time a few years ago was almost as if the three were back together with a new song.


Message: 4920 Posted: Tue Feb 23 10:02:44 1999 By: Bobbee
Subject: From A Moving Train Ad

Hey, has anyone seen the "Moving Train" ad on tv yet? I've watched for it but haven't seen. I thought I read somewhere here it was filmed last summer and supposed to be on tv by now.

Message: 4919 Posted: Tue Feb 23 09:55:14 1999 By: Bobbee
Subject: Van Go Gan

I got an autographed copy of VGG from Rick Walgren's site for around $20 when he sold 500 copies for Gerry. They went like hotcakes, cuz I tried to buy another one and they were sold out. Also bought a tshirt there. Really miss his great site. Hope to see it back online. Something special about America's first and great site on the internet.

Message: 4918 Posted: Tue Feb 23 09:19:13 1999 By: Joe B
Subject: Re: "Two And Only Two" Voting Results


I very extremely deeply mortally wounded my votes for "Holiday" and "Hourglass" were not counted. I'm never looking at this board again (until the next time I'm on-line).

Joe B

P.S. Maybe it's because I put my votes in as part of a very long p.s. at the end of a message that it was inadvertently missed
P.S.S. You know,that's probably why it happened now that I think of it
P.S.S.S. Yes, I'm sure it's my own fault for excessive
P.S.S.S.S. Please ignore the previous statement and p.s.'s

Message: 4917 Posted: Tue Feb 23 08:37:38 1999 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: RE: Van Go Gan

I'm sure whoever is looking for Van Go Gan,"Young Moon" would be
happy to TAPE you a copy,right? CD's are great,but if you can't find
the disk,I think a taped copy is just as well! Sure,go ahead,be a sport
and record a copy! :)

Message: 4916 Posted: Tue Feb 23 07:50:15 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: Van Go Gan

Hey, Kelly!
I think you should accept virtual servitude!!!!! Cash is fleeting, but a good chore person is INVALUABLE!!! (C;

Message: 4915 Posted: Tue Feb 23 01:33:06 1999 By: Health Guru
Subject: Pechanga & more

I got my Pechanga tickets! good for the soulness all the way around. also have tickets for the Allied Sun show that night afterwards...
it was a stretch, but I managed.


Message: 4914 Posted: Mon Feb 22 23:25:43 1999 By: JL
Subject: Re: "Two And Only Two" Voting Results

Thanks for tabulating all this, Johnny. Found it interesting that almost every album was on someone's list. Mark, thanks for the All Things Are Possible CD. Got it today. ( Good 'ol Canada Post!) Cheque is in the mail.

To all of you atending an America concert in the near future...your mission is to take really big posters to the shows saying you want the guys to journey back up to Vancouver, BC. I'll pay big money. thanks


Message: 4913 Posted: Mon Feb 22 22:35:23 1999 By: Michelle
Subject: Catskill Concert

I've only attend one concert in my life, and it was Dewey & Gerry, near Baltimore, around 1987 (no, I don't get out much!). Since finding this site, I've promised myself that it's past time for another such excursion. Where can I get more info on the July 17 show in Catskill, NY? I was in that area last April, and it's a gorgeous setting...perfect for them. I'd be able to make plans to be there again in time for this concert, but need more info. Thanks! Michelle

Message: 4912 Posted: Mon Feb 22 22:14:19 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Tom H. Has A Point & Thanx Johnny

I agree Tom H., it would be good timing to have a new single pushed to coincide with the VH-1 Show. But believe me, I cannot wait to see that show! My VCR is going to be programmed that night for sure!!! ALSO-Thanks Johnny for compiling your list of the "Two & Only Two" Faves!!! I join the list of Friends here that appreciate your effort, dedication and sincerity!!! I really, sincerely, wanted to cast a vote for "Perspective" but I didn't want all my Pals Here to shudder in dissagreement-LOL! I really DO Love that CD!!! Have a nice week...See Ya TeeTee

Message: 4911 Posted: Mon Feb 22 21:29:01 1999 By: janice
Subject: Sold out..

Lucky Leaky gets to go..sounds cute, huh? Have fun Leaky! Are you going to the Key Club too? I guess it "West Coasters" week, but then they're back down here in March..Have never seen Chris Cross before..hmmm..and would love to go to the Grand Junction show! Never been it's the mountains..! And Tom, I think you are right to coincide a release with the special next week..good thinking..hope some influential folks read that post! Good Night all..

Message: 4910 Posted: Mon Feb 22 21:01:09 1999 By: Yng Moon
Subject: Re: Correction on ringing phone

That's okay Bruce......we know what you mean't......I myself do that all the time !!

Message: 4909 Posted: Mon Feb 22 20:42:51 1999 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: Sold Out....... and.......... Timothy's Harmonies

To Janice and others who might be considering on attending the Temecula Pechanga Show, I heard today that they are sold out, I hope you were all able to get tickets. If not you might call the key club in LA, or try ticket masters online. Goodluck and hope to see ya there!! (PS I love those Timothy B. Schmit Harmonies on the Human Nature CD , definitely coooool !!

Message: 4908 Posted: Mon Feb 22 20:24:41 1999 By: Tom Hullinger
Subject: New Single

It seems to make sense to me to coincide the release of the new single, whatever it might be, with the VH1 special next week. There will be some old fans seeing them for the first time in a while, which could create some renewed interest in radio play. What does everybody else think?

Message: 4907 Posted: Mon Feb 22 20:23:16 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: "Two And Only Two" Voting Results

It's been exactly a week since you were asked to submit your "Two & Only Two". I went back and logged all the votes and boy was that a chore. I hope I didn't omit anyone's vote. KevinS, sorry but I didn't count your vote since you listed favorites by trio and then by duo. You still can after this if you wish. ShariL, gaps in the collection? You must indulge yourself. Don't we all wish there were AMERICA albums available that we haven't yet heard?

America 14 (Howard, Joe K, Maureen, Eddy, Leakycanoe, TerryT, Joanne, Penny, Janice, Laura, BC, Shayne, Steve, Andrew)

Homecoming 10 (TerryT, Leakycanoe, Steve, Andrew, Janice, BC, Robyn Howard, Penny, Joe K)

Silent Letter 4 (Jim G, Maureen, JL, Jessica)

Hourglass 4 (Erin, Laura, JL, Johnny)

Holiday 3 (Ron B, Tom T, Joanne)

Hearts 3 (Shayne, Tom T, Beech)

Hat Trick 2 (Robyn, Beech)

Hideaway 2 (Jim G, Adrian)

Alibi 2 (Jessica, Johnny)

History l (Mark); Harbor l (Erin); Encore 1 (Mark); America in Concert 1 (Adrian); Human Nature 1 (Eddy); Van Go Gan 1 (Ron B)

The top two were no surprise; however, the rest were a bit surprising to me. Dewey and Gerry....I hope you enjoy reading the results as much as I did. Thanks everyone for participating. You all made it great chatting material for the past week! I think everyone will agree that the results are good for about a month and then it's a different favorite album the next if even that long.

Message: 4906 Posted: Mon Feb 22 19:16:05 1999 By: laura
Subject: Jesse Ventura on Leno/Letterman

I'll try this again - didn't work yesterday. Noticing an earlier post for Karen, just wanted to say I don't know about Leno, but the Gov. is scheduled to be on Letterman on Tues. night if that helps.

Message: 4905 Posted: Mon Feb 22 17:47:19 1999 By: janice
Subject: VGG

an "extra" copy?? how nice for you..come on..just put all of our names in a! sounds fair to me. :)
Mom sent me a clipping of the Temecula concert with her letter nice to open the envelope and see Gerry and Dewey's smiling mugs..she knows now I can't come out this week due to unforseen circumstances, but I guess she was trying hard to entice me! Even my brother sent me an e-mail about it..offered to babysit so I could can do..oh well...want to hear all about them from whoever is going, and have a wonderful time!

Message: 4904 Posted: Mon Feb 22 17:37:33 1999 By: JL
Subject: Re: Van Go Gan

$500.00 ??? Makes a person feel kinda glad they took the plunge a couple of years ago and paid $35.00 for it.

Message: 4903 Posted: Mon Feb 22 15:06:41 1999 By: Bruce
Subject: Correction on ringing phone

Whoops! always read what you have written before posting. Of course I meant Barstow not "Bartow"

Message: 4902 Posted: Mon Feb 22 15:01:38 1999 By: Bruce
Subject: Ringing Phone

Am I the only one who can hear a ringing phone (or other electronic studio gadget) in the "Bartow" section of Overwhelming World Suite?

Message: 4901 Posted: Mon Feb 22 14:23:19 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: VGG

Darn, Young Moon. You didn't leave an e-mail address for me to submit my bid. Guess i'll just have to do w/o the cd and keep my thousand bucks!!

Message: 4900 Posted: Mon Feb 22 14:18:03 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Van Go Gan

Would you accept virtual cash ? similiar to cyber cash.

Message: 4899 Posted: Mon Feb 22 13:34:39 1999 By: Yng Moon
Subject: Re: Van Go Gan

P.S. The signed copy starts at $1000 !!! (Gerry's solo's worth it) !!!!

Message: 4898 Posted: Mon Feb 22 13:32:16 1999 By: Yng Moon
Subject: Re: Van Go Gan

I have an extra copy of VGG.....seems though(as I've heard), that this CD is a collectors item. I'm thinking about selling it to the highest bidder !?!? The bidding starts at $500. Remember, as others have mentioned, it's a MUST have !!!!

Message: 4897 Posted: Mon Feb 22 09:45:48 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Warm-Up Band

The "warm-up" band at each concert does vary. Last year Christopher Cross and America scheduled several 1999 concerts at some performing arts centers and other "accoustically nice" venues. I know that Chris is playing with them on March 17, 18, and 19 and likely several other concerts.

Message: 4896 Posted: Mon Feb 22 09:39:40 1999 By: Pete
Subject: Re: Warm-Up Band

Thanks Johnny, I heard that Chris Cross has been travling with them but was not sure. What you said though makes sence.

Message: 4895 Posted: Mon Feb 22 09:16:23 1999 By: Joe B
Subject: Re: 2 favorite Albums


Message: 4894 Posted: Mon Feb 22 08:56:04 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Warm-Up Band

Pete, the AMERICA show that I attended last October was a local band. I think it varies at each show. Anyone else know?

Message: 4893 Posted: Mon Feb 22 07:43:17 1999 By: Pete
Subject: Ameria Concert

Who is America's warm up band. I hear its Chris Cross, and is he the warm up band for all the concerts. My daughter is going to America concert and she said the warm up band was a guy called Hanson, not the Hanson with the two young guys.

Message: 4892 Posted: Mon Feb 22 07:37:50 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: 2 favorite Albums

Better late than never?
Hearts &

Message: 4891 Posted: Mon Feb 22 05:03:38 1999 By: Andrew
Subject: Re: Van Go Gan

I happen to live in Japan, but I haven't yet been able to find this CD. I intend to keep looking, though -- and, if I happen to find an extra copy, I'll be glad to send one along to you. Wish me luck...

Message: 4890 Posted: Sun Feb 21 21:40:31 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Van Go Gan

VAN GO GAN: GERRY BECKLEY'S debut solo masterpiece is unfortunately, out of print. Released by Polystar Records in Japan, it seems to be largely unavailable now. Unless you can find a domestic store w/imports, that has one left over or perhaps overseas, finding VGG is now very difficult. Sorry to say but it has not yet been released domestically. Perhaps our fortunes will change if it is released domestically or perhaps a 2nd solo effort by GERRY is forthcoming - hey we can dream, can't we ?

Message: 4889 Posted: Sun Feb 21 21:37:10 1999 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: RE: Van go Gan

To Wayne & others who want to know.....To my knowledge,"Van go
Gan" is now out of print. The initial copies sold out through the original Rick Wahlgren Web site. they were later available through "thoughtscape sounds" but scott posted a message awhile back saying the disk was no longer available. Maybe some other America
fans can help out? I thought I read awhile back that they were still
"lingering" out there in some foreign stores. "Van go gan" is a MUST
HAVE disk for anybody who considers themselves an America fan!

Message: 4888 Posted: Sun Feb 21 20:55:03 1999 By: Wayne
Subject: Van Go Gan

Allright, this is my first time on this site. Does anyone have a clue where or how I can get a copy of Van Go Gan? Or do I need to wait til they come to my hometown and ask Gerry personnally? Can anyone help? I can't find one anywhere.....

Message: 4887 Posted: Sun Feb 21 17:53:54 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: A Class Act

The following message was in the America Fans guest book. I don't know how many of you visit the guest book to see who has signed in so I thought I'd copy it here.

Guest: 231 Michelle Adensam Signed In: Tue Feb 16 22:18:50 1999
From: Racine, WI

I have been an America fan since 1982. Ever since "You Can Do Magic." I have seen them over the years probably between 15-20 times and have all their albums on CD (which, by the way, is no easy task).

Last weekend I had the opportunity to see them at Lake of the Torches Casino in Lac Du Flambeau, WI. (By the way, I also saw them in Florida the previous weekend at Church Street Market in Orlando). The concert was great! We had front row seats and had an opportunity to meet them after the show.

Gerry and Dewey if you read this, I want to especially thank you for being so terrific. I had an article with a picture of Gerry from a concert back in August ’98 in Sheboygan, WI that I wanted him to autograph. I thought he would just autograph it and that would be that. He had enough class to stand there and read the whole thing. Thank you, Gerry, very much!!!! Before they left for the night I also had an opportunity to have my picture taken with them. I just wanted to say that you guys are the greatest, and I’ll never forget that night for as long as I live. You have definitely made my whole year!

By the way, the new album, "Human Nature" is fantastic. I can’t seem to stop listening to it.

Message: 4886 Posted: Sun Feb 21 15:18:37 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Various

Janice, I too am glad you're back.

BC, thanks for taking the time to listen to the lyrics of FALLIN'. Yes, the power of suggestion is very strong.

Karen, your point, if their was a Johnny site, was well made.

Yesterday, I spoke with a cousin from Colorado and mentioned that my favorite group is scheduled to appear in his hometown of Grand Junction. He surprised me by saying he too is a fan of AMERICA and that he has all of their albums. He even told me Dan, Dewey, and Gerry's last names. I gave him this site's address so hello Tom.

Message: 4885 Posted: Sun Feb 21 11:38:46 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: 2 favorite Albums

Very tough choice.. but mine are
1. America/ Homecoming/ Holiday...( Tie )
2. Hourglass
Sorry guys I just couldn't leave out any of my choices....JK

Message: 4884 Posted: Sun Feb 21 10:57:41 1999 By: janice
Subject: just checking in..

Thanks, Steve..but as you know, God never gives us more than he knows we can handle.. :) and this is always such a nice diversion!

Message: 4883 Posted: Sun Feb 21 06:15:03 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: Msg To Steve O.

We have a winner! Yup, that's usually EXACTLY what that means!
(I need to cut back on the caffeine!)

Message: 4882 Posted: Sun Feb 21 02:32:28 1999 By: laura
Subject: America

Message: 4881 Posted: Sun Feb 21 02:01:32 1999 By:
Subject: to Karen D: concerning Tom Snyder show

sorry, didn't tape it, actually watched something live for a change..... but I see that Gov. Jesse is listed to be on the Leno show one night next week (don't remember which), so maybe the guys will get mentioned again....
...just reporting...

Message: 4880 Posted: Sat Feb 20 23:33:58 1999 By: Adrian
Subject: Two Favourite Albums

Hello everyone,there was recent mention of pick your two favourite America albums,well here goes ,America in Concert, Capitol and Hideaway two quite remarkable albums by anyones standards.First and formost is, the live album this I beleive catches the chaps on fire this is superb in every detail,and I for one feel cheated that a number of other tracks had not made it.Hideaway appeared at a quite glorious summer time in the UK six weeks of quite unrelenting hot weather,some sort of milestone,and a string of magnificent tunes all the guys writing some unforgettable tunes, Amber Cascades,how on earth was that not a hit! and Ca'nt you see,an overlooked tune if ever there was,Watership Down,Letter,and ballard exrodinaire Who Loves You.

Message: 4879 Posted: Sat Feb 20 23:33:13 1999 By: EDDY
Subject: Crying in my sleep

Howard, Thanx for sharing that song, never heard it before, FANTASTIC!

Message: 4878 Posted: Sat Feb 20 23:05:59 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: just checking in..

Janice, sorry to hear about your son, but hope that things are going better now. Glad that you had time to check in.

Message: 4877 Posted: Sat Feb 20 18:25:19 1999 By: janice
Subject: just checking in..

hi everybody..had a week i'd rather forget..a very ill 5 year old that is now home from the hospital..lots of posts to catch up on..hope everyone is having a great weekend.. :)

Message: 4876 Posted: Sat Feb 20 17:16:56 1999 By: Steve orchard
Subject: Re: Msg. to Johnny

don't know what the "direction" means. Goodman & Hartman must have been involved in promotion early on. The Late Phil Hartman used to design the LP covers for America--note the "History" cover and you'll see what I mean!-

Message: 4875 Posted: Sat Feb 20 08:35:25 1999 By: BC
Subject: Fallin' lyrics

I put the headphones on and turned the volume up real loud and played that passage over and over again. I hear "nobody knows where the clear spirit goes in the night".......but maybe that's what I expect to hear.

Message: 4874 Posted: Sat Feb 20 00:05:07 1999 By: DON
Subject: Re: Dewey & Gerry And This Site


Message: 4873 Posted: Fri Feb 19 23:32:59 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: Dewey & Gerry And This Site

hey Johnny...

If there was a Johnny site, you'd read it, right?

; )


Message: 4872 Posted: Fri Feb 19 22:20:25 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Thanks Steve L

Thanks Steve and it really is goodnight.

Message: 4871 Posted: Fri Feb 19 21:59:09 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Other Web Sites

Steve, would it be appropriate to ask what the other AMERICA web sites are? Thanks.

Sure, it would be appropriate. If you look at the bottom of this page you'll see links to the "Classic Pics" web site (maintained by Dewey and Gerry's good friend, Ike Gauley) and the America Fans web site. If you go to the America Fans links web page you'll see quite a few other America related web pages.

Message: 4870 Posted: Fri Feb 19 21:56:10 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Simple Life

Kevin, it's my understanding that "Simple Life" was created for a blue jean commerical in Japan and became somewhat popular because of the exposure over there. That's why it was included on the Japanese version of the CD. I know that some of you don't have the Japanese version so I've put a Real Audio file of "Simple Life" on the web site.

Message: 4869 Posted: Fri Feb 19 21:55:15 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Other Web Sites

Steve, would it be appropriate to ask what the other AMERICA web sites are? Thanks.

Message: 4868 Posted: Fri Feb 19 21:51:48 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Msg To Steve O.

Steve, thanks for the info about Dewey and Gerry and their laptops. Do you or anyone else know what it means in the recording industry the following on AMERICA's albums: DIRECTION: GOODMAN & HARTMANN ??? I've often wondered what "direction" meant. Is that similar to MANAGEMENT?

Message: 4867 Posted: Fri Feb 19 21:46:24 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Dewey & Gerry And This Site

Johnny, both Gerry and Dewey read this chat folder and visit the America Internet web sites. I don't know how often they do it but I've received comments from them (via Oxygen records) about things that have been posted here.

Message: 4866 Posted: Fri Feb 19 21:43:48 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: To KevinS: Regarding FALLIN'

Kevin, have you given FALLIN'OFF THE WORLD your ear tonight? Do you still think it sounds like BIG spirit or something else like CRISP or CLEAR? I know you like the song so I'm particularly interested in what you think.

Several days ago, someone mentioned the words to PEOPLE IN THE VALLEY as being FIND THE NIGHT on one page of a songbook and FLY IN THE NIGHT on other page of the same songbook. I definitely hear FLY IN THE NIGHT.

I see we both like singing RIGHT BACK TO ME. It and many other songs from ALIBI should have been hits. I believe some songs were hits in Italy and Mexico. It makes you wonder why they weren't in the US.
Goodnight and chat with you and others on Sunday. It's off to the hometown of Buddy Holly and Mac Davis....Lubbock (that's in Texas for those who don't know) hundred miles away.

Message: 4865 Posted: Fri Feb 19 21:23:49 1999 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: RE: 45 photo sleeves & Gerry & dewey & this site

yes,Gerry & Dewey DO take the time to check into their site as time permits. when I interviewed them following a show last year,Gerry told me they carry their laptops with them and like to periodically check in--as time permits. I wonder what they must be thinking now that rick wahlgrens site is gone. he had LOTS of info on his site too,and its a
shame that that is gone now. As for 45 picture sleeves,only 5 were issued for ANY America singles over the years. They were: I need you,Lonely people,Right before your eyes and the border. A special
"promotional" picture sleeve was distributed to radio stations for the
single to "california dreamin". I have 3 of the 5 picture sleeves. I
do not have "I need you" or "California dreamin". The best one is
the sleeve to "the border" as its an identical shot of the cover to the
LP "Your Move". "Lonely People" is a "cartoon" type shot,and
"right before your eyes" is just the America Logo with the title above
it. I do have a billboard Magazine advertisement from 1972 that
features the 45 sleeve for "I need you"--its quite a shot,but again,
its a photom of the sleeve from the magazine. Can make a copy for
anybody that wants it. any other questions,just ask!

Message: 4864 Posted: Fri Feb 19 20:45:26 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Pages

Yes PAGES is a real masterpiece. And it is a long & quite complicated
song - live. Lyrically, a real challenge because of the number of passages that DEWEY so eloquently penned. AMERICA really worked hard to rehearse this song for prime time & as you know, no song goes live until GERRY & DEWEY are thoroughly satisfied (did you see the German DVD, when GERRY says, "can we do that over ?"). I have found an extremely favorable reaction when people hear this song for the 1st time. This song really feels good !

Message: 4863 Posted: Fri Feb 19 20:37:09 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Simple Life

I think it was done for a commercial of sorts, not really suppose to be part of the LP. Just like the classic THE STORY OF A TEENAGER on HEARTS, done for other reasons. By the way THE STORY OF A TEENAGER was a made-for-tv (remember that tag from the 70's ? ) movie that was shelved & never released. I always think of what a pity that was, it really would have help fuel the HEARTS Lp to make it even more successful than it already was. Can you hear the THE STORY OF A TEENAGER as a no. 1 hit ? I can hear it now, very clear.

Message: 4862 Posted: Fri Feb 19 17:49:17 1999 By: KevinS.
Subject: Simple Life

Does anyone know the story of the song "Simple Life"? It's on the Hearts CD, imported from Japan. It's the only one of those Warner Bros Japanese CDs with an extra song not found on the American vinyl version. Why? Was that song on the original Hearts Japanese version? If so, why'd they leave it off the American release? If not, where did it come from? Was it from a soundtrack or something? I really like that song. Discovering it for the first time a few years back when I bought the CD was like finding a hundred dollar bill in a coat pocket. Unexpected and very much appreciated. To me, it's one of Dan Peek's classics. This masterpiece just dropped out of the sky. Does anyone else like that song? And have I know reached my quota of questions in one post? Okay, what about now?


Message: 4861 Posted: Fri Feb 19 17:42:34 1999 By: Joe Knight
Subject: Snyder Show

I remember that show well!! On the 80s version of the Snyder Show I just happened to turn on the TV and there they were!!!

Also thanks for the answers Karen.. As far as CDs being available I remember a post earlier that said they were not available at a concert. If that was wrong I am sorry...... JK

Message: 4860 Posted: Fri Feb 19 14:29:03 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Pages/Famt

Pete, they've been playing Pages and FAMT
in concert since what is it, last May'98 or June'98.

Message: 4859 Posted: Fri Feb 19 13:52:10 1999 By: Pete
Subject: Pages

I agree, Pages should be the next single. I said it before and it seems they are playing it a lot in concert.

Message: 4858 Posted: Fri Feb 19 13:03:37 1999 By: Penny
Subject: My 2 Cents Worth

I've been thinking about Howard's question of yesterday. The song that I think of more than any other is Windwave. Don't ask me why! And, since Sept. 15th, OverWhelming World truly haunts me. What beautiful music. Also, the song You comes into mind a lot. Oh yeah,
Call of the Wild (I love that song!). So there you have it. Better late than never!

Message: 4857 Posted: Fri Feb 19 12:52:35 1999 By: Michelle
Subject: Human Nature Favorite

Just recently puchased the Human Nature favorite tune would have to be "Pages"...great lyrics...also like "Oloololo", as does my 8 year old son.

Message: 4856 Posted: Fri Feb 19 11:50:42 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Oops

So now I know what happens when you send a post and accidently forget to type your name and subject.

Message: 4855 Posted: Fri Feb 19 11:45:57 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Dewey & Gerry And This Site

Not that it really matters but I was wondering, does anyone know if Dewey or Gerry ever read what we post on this site. I do remember reading somewhere that they said they do when their schedules permit.
Being the nice guys that Dewey and Gerry are, I'm not sure if their answer was yes....not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings. I'm sure Matt B. knows the answer but that's getting into the area of personal business and Matt said he won't answer questions of that nature. So does anyone know? It's my inquiring mind again!

Message: 4854 Posted: Fri Feb 19 11:44:44 1999 By: America Fan
Subject: America

Not that it really matters but I was wondering, does anyone know if Dewey or Gerry ever read what we post on this site. I do remember reading somewhere that they said they do when their schedules permit.
Being the nice guys that Dewey and Gerry are, I'm not sure if their answer was yes....not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings. I'm sure Matt B. knows the answer but that's getting into the area of personal business and Matt said he won't answer questions of that nature. So does anyone know? It's my inquiring mind again!

Message: 4853 Posted: Fri Feb 19 10:49:34 1999 By: Yng Moon
Subject: Re: America's "Musicladen" DVD & video & the Central Park show

Thanks Steve, I'll check it out !!

Message: 4852 Posted: Fri Feb 19 10:45:04 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Record photo sleeves

I used to have the single I Need You and remembered the photo
sleeve. I'll have to look in my box of 45's for that one.

Message: 4851 Posted: Fri Feb 19 09:55:01 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: Falling Off The World

I always thought it was, "Nobody knows where their big spirit goes in the night"

Message: 4850 Posted: Fri Feb 19 08:59:53 1999 By: Steve
Subject: Song in my head

A song that keeps coming to my head is "Old Virginia". I just think it is a good morning shower tune. "Don't think about tomorrow it's a whole night sleep away"

Message: 4849 Posted: Fri Feb 19 08:51:25 1999 By: Mark
Subject: 45 Photo Sleeves

I remember the Lonely People 45 sleeve when it came out. It is the only photo 45 that I have seen of America, but I have read in collectables books that a few other America 45s had photo sleeves. Does anybody else have other 45 photo sleeves of other singles? If so, scan them and send them to Steve so he can add them to his web page.

Message: 4848 Posted: Fri Feb 19 08:47:23 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Need Your Help With The Lyrics

Several days ago, a couple of us fans were dicussing the lyrics to "Fallin' Off The World" and "Sometimes Lovers". I mentioned to Steve Lowry that I thought a word in each of the two songs were something different than what he has posted in the lyrics. Being the total gentleman that he is, Steve changed the two words to what I thought they should be. However, I would like for us all to listen to the two songs and go with what the majority thinks the words are. I would feel better about it.

In "Fallin" is it: Nobody knows where their (CRISP, CLEAR, OR SOMETHING ELSE) spirit goes in the night?

In "Sometimes Lovers" is it: Hold on tight to me (WOMAN, MAMA, OR SOMETHING ELSE)?

Message: 4847 Posted: Fri Feb 19 08:34:28 1999 By: EDDY
Subject: Vintage photo

Howard, nice photo of "the lads" , I also have the 45 sleeve of "Lonely people" When I got mine signed, Gerry pointed out to me that Phil Hartman"n" did the cartoon drawing of the guys on the cover, COOL!

Message: 4846 Posted: Fri Feb 19 07:28:08 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: Missed the Chat...?

To All:
I missed the chat last night. I had some homework to do. Did I miss anything exciting. Please post it hear or email. Thank You...Maureen

Message: 4845 Posted: Fri Feb 19 00:46:40 1999 By: KevinS.
Subject: Thanks


Thanks for the answers. I'm grateful for your responding, as I'm sure everyone else here is.


Message: 4844 Posted: Thu Feb 18 22:54:23 1999 By: Chatty
Subject: Re: Reminder - Live Chat Tonight

BOO HOO - I'm not Java enhanced so I can't chat - how does one become enhanced?

Joe, you can download the latest version of Netscape Navigator or Internet Explorer from the Internet free of charge. Both of them are Java enabled.

By the way, how is the job hunt going? We're all pulling for you!

Message: 4843 Posted: Thu Feb 18 21:04:26 1999 By: Joe B
Subject: Re: Reminder - Live Chat Tonight

Hey You People,

BOO HOO - I'm not Java enhanced so I can't chat - how does one become enhanced?

Joe B

P.S. "The Light Is On" by Christopher Cross - OUTSTANDING tune featuring a great guitar solo by....LARRY CARLTON of 'Harbor' sitar fame. Earlier trivia answer: Larry's only hit single was his 1982 version of "Sleepwalk" the Santo & Johhny instrumental. His version kicks many humongous buttocks simultaneously at the same time. Bye.

Message: 4842 Posted: Thu Feb 18 19:36:31 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: Tom Snyder

America Fan: You didn't happen to be taping that Snyder episode by any chance, didja?


Message: 4841 Posted: Thu Feb 18 19:33:03 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: We don't have to wait for Oxygen!

You might wanna trim the list to include AC stations only. That's America's radio format. Don't waste calls with other formats.

Go for it...I like the way you think, Mark!


Message: 4840 Posted: Thu Feb 18 19:30:51 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: ????s For KAREN

<< 1. When is the 2nd single coming out?.
2. Why are CDs not for sale at concerts? ( as stated on previous post)
3. How is HN doing commercially? Please ! I am not asking for specific sales just is it doing good, fair ,or poorly.

1. I am not hiding information or using silence to send a message. I don't KNOW when the second single is coming out. FAMT did amazingly well - everyone is happy about it.

2. I am surprised to hear you say that the record is not on sale at shows. Are you certain?

3. Human Nature is doing - fairly.


Message: 4839 Posted: Thu Feb 18 18:36:37 1999 By: BC
Subject: Humming

Lately, I've been humming "Amber Cascades" and "And Forever". Also, the opening guitar riff from "Ventura Highway" drifts into my mind frequently. Mostly, what pops into my head depends on which America album or CD I have been listening to lately.

Message: 4838 Posted: Thu Feb 18 18:29:38 1999 By: BC
Subject: Re: Ian Thomas-Best Of...?/ Single Demands:-)

Very clever, Tom. I'm sure you composed that last sentence while doing a "Hat Trick" while on "Holiday" at the "Harbor" "Hideaway".

Message: 4837 Posted: Thu Feb 18 18:19:17 1999 By: Mark
Subject: We don't have to wait for Oxygen!

I am concerned about several things that were supposed to happen, that aren't (second single in JANUARY, more HN songs in concert, HN CD sales at concerts, etc...), but that doesn't mean we have sit back and do nothing! Go ahead and start calling your local AC, pop, and classic rock stations and request that they play your favorite song from HN (like Wednesday Morning or Wheels Are Turning). It couldn't hurt, and it might help.

Message: 4836 Posted: Thu Feb 18 17:57:46 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: America's "Musicladen" DVD & video & the Central Park show

Steve, can you tell me where you found this "Musicladen" DVD ?

Kelly, I picked mine up at Media Play. I'm pretty sure it's available at all the large outlets or you can order it online. Check out the CD Sources page for at least one place that I know has it for sale. Good luck finding it ... it's well worth it!

Message: 4835 Posted: Thu Feb 18 17:27:15 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: KevinS and TT

gezz you guys, I don't know, maybe take a HOLIDAY?

songs that I find myself humming (FRom Warren Zevon "The Ballad of Bill Lee") and for obvious reasons, "Pages" ( I work in a Library)

Message: 4834 Posted: Thu Feb 18 17:21:42 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: Tom T.

Very clever. Now what are you going to do for an Encore?


Message: 4833 Posted: Thu Feb 18 17:15:28 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Ian Thomas-Best Of...?/ Single Demands:-)

Hello everybody! All this talk about Ian Thomas really piqued my interest in finding ANY CD's of his. I've been doing a lot of searching through the Net and I can't seem to connect with anything.Yes, I tried A & B music, as was previously mentioned, but I came up empty-handed. Any suggestions??? I really appreciate any assistance with this. Hope to connect on the Chat Tonight...Yes I agree friends that this silence regarding a follow-up single release is rather deafening. Please get a video out, please get airplay, please! We know Karen & Oxygen are trying, but I guess we're too dedicated (And impatient) to just sit back and see what's going to happen. Let's face it Friends- we've just have had one too many "Silent Letter""Alibi"'s to "View From The Ground" through the "Hourglass"! Well Oxygen- Make "Your Move" and prove to us that it's not just "Human Nature" for society to miss out on our "Perspective" of this Incredibly Fantastic Band!!!! Pretty Clever, Huh? See Ya TeeTee

Message: 4832 Posted: Thu Feb 18 16:27:09 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Tom Snyder

That's great ! AMERICA got on Tommy Snyders show. He knows them well.
Anyone remember AMERICA's appearance on the Tom Snyder show back in the early 80's ? They played HORSE & EVEN THE SCORE & were interviewed. It was during the period of the air traffic controllers strike.

Message: 4831 Posted: Thu Feb 18 16:08:47 1999 By: mBlulight
Subject: Re: Triv Answer and Msg To Matt B

i dunno, but it looks like the next ep might be called
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away"

Message: 4830 Posted: Thu Feb 18 15:14:27 1999 By: Yng Moon
Subject: Re: America's "Musicladen" DVD & video & the Central Park show

Steve, can you tell me where you found this "Musicladen" DVD ?

Message: 4829 Posted: Thu Feb 18 14:32:55 1999 By: America Fan
Subject: Tom Snyder

America did get mentioned last night on the Tom Snyder CBS show - by Jesse Ventura when talking about what a good time the Inaugural was, how good the music was, the audience response, etc.
...just reporting...

Message: 4828 Posted: Thu Feb 18 13:11:35 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Another Fun Question

The three songs that I most often "sing" to myself are: Wheels, Right Back To Me, & Jody. I think Gerry sings Jody with such emotion. It deserves a good listening to.

Virginia, I know that swamped feeling. I'm glad all is well.

Message: 4827 Posted: Thu Feb 18 12:54:04 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: When I Used To Drink

When I "used to drink", ANOTHER TRY and MAD DOG always blew through my mind (along with POOR SHIRLEY and THE LIGHT IS ON both by Christopher Cross - but that's another session on the couch).


Message: 4826 Posted: Thu Feb 18 12:51:28 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Another fun question

Woah - good question.

The songs that pop in my head (for some unknown reason) are:

I think it's time to seek professional help.


Message: 4825 Posted: Thu Feb 18 12:38:38 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: songs that pop into your head, or at least mine

Howard, great question. A couple of songs always seem to pop into my mind when I least expect them. Falling Off The World. Right Back To Me. Pigeon Song. Children. Out of the blue sometimes I'll start belting out, "aw, come on children, get your heads back together," and my kids think I'm mad at them. Honest. I don't know why these songs in particular are lurking back there, but they do. Maybe I don't want to know.

When I drink I always sing Hangover real loud and people ask me to shut up, but that's a different story.


Message: 4824 Posted: Thu Feb 18 12:01:16 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: Various

Hi Johnny,
I'm here and just fine. VERY busy at work with no end in sight.
I've been reading everything, but not taking the time to respond.
"Silence is golden, but my eyes still see..." Thanks for checking up on me.

Message: 4823 Posted: Thu Feb 18 12:01:06 1999 By: Steve
Subject: 2 favs

1. Sandman (live) 1.America

2. Head and Heart 2. Homecoming

Close 3rd
Hearts album

Message: 4822 Posted: Thu Feb 18 12:01:03 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Another fun question

Since we're on the subjects of favorite LP's, songs, live songs, etc.
How about this one. What song(s) do you find yourself humming/singing or which song(s) pop(s) into your head the most on a daily to weekly basis. It can be 1,2 or 3 songs. Not a contest. Just curious to see.
It doesn't necessarily have to be your favorite song :0)

I'll go first. Here are my songs:
Ventura Highway
Come Back
Old Man Took
Never Found The Time

Message: 4821 Posted: Thu Feb 18 10:24:53 1999 By: Chatty
Subject: Reminder - Live Chat Tonight

The weekly live chat is tonight at 9 pm Eastern. Here's a link that will take you there:

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Remember, you need to have a Java capable browser in order to join in.

Message: 4820 Posted: Thu Feb 18 10:10:56 1999 By: jessica
Subject: live song wish list

Shayne, you're lucky to have seen Inspector Mills performed live. It's one of my favorites. Another one is 1960. From Dewey, I would like to hear Hangover and Molten Love. Plus, since I love it when both Dewey and Gerry sing in a song, I wish they would perform Tall Treasures.

A few things came to mind today that reminded me of the band, like when I went to see a show last Feb. 12 and while waiting for it to start, a few songs were played by the hotel soundman. I was really startled to hear Ventura Highway and I had to look at the stage (just in case the show changed bands for that night!). Well, it wasn't America who came out but a band who assumed the named Platters. Sigh, sigh, sigh... Another incident was when a Live By Request show was aired here and the featured artist was Barry Manilow. I said to myself (and I have no quarrel with Manilow fans!): "That should be America playing instead!". Lastly, I remember browsing through a "What's in a birthday" book and after checking what my b-day means, I of course tried Sept. 12 and Jan. 9, and it was a pleasant surprise to see Gerry and Dewey's name under the "Artists born on this day" part on those dates. And that when other, more popular names weren't mentioned.

just rambling on and on....

Message: 4819 Posted: Thu Feb 18 09:38:16 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Triv Answer and Msg To Matt B

Eddy, that's right. He lost his arm in an accident as a member of the group....if my memory is correct.

Matt B, how about this name for a future band of yours: BECKLEY BLUE?

Message: 4818 Posted: Thu Feb 18 08:30:22 1999 By: EDDY
Subject: Re: Various

Def Lepperd (Spelling??)

Message: 4817 Posted: Thu Feb 18 08:06:53 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Various

Favorite live song: "Never Be Lonely"

Joanne M: Thanks for the answer on Dewey's shirt (MFQ).

Virginia: Where are you? Are you okay?

News Report: Yesterday on local news, the announcer said, "Next, a story on 'A Horse With No Name'". It was merely a story about a contest among elementary school kids naming the park ranger's horse. The kids chose the name, Buster.

Trivia Question: Here's a very simple one. Talking about "a one arm Willie", what band actually has a one arm drummer?

Message: 4816 Posted: Thu Feb 18 07:06:31 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Another Rumor???

Here's another rumor that I heard when Homecoming came out:
When I received Homecoming as gift when it came out, my uncle
told me that the blond haired guy (Gerry) had broken his arm
in an accident. Did anybody else ever hear about this or
was it just another bad floating rumor? HL

Message: 4815 Posted: Thu Feb 18 06:58:57 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: Ian Thomas's "Painted Ladies"

There was mention of the Ian Thomas song "Painted Ladies" being available on Rhino Records Super Hits Of The 70s Have A Nice Day Volume 17 CD. They even mention America in the liner notes about that song:

"Ian Thomas's 'Painted Ladies,' a Top 40 hit in early 1974, has the same mix of breezy harmonies and sleep pop craft that characterized such America hits as 'A Horse With No Name' and 'Ventura Highway.'"


Message: 4814 Posted: Wed Feb 17 23:11:44 1999 By: nada
Subject: Re: ????s For KAREN

All this is understandable, but not all releases even have singles - especially those by album bands who are still out there doing it. I think it was great they released one (a good one as well). Love to have more of course, but it's not easy (or cheap)!

Message: 4813 Posted: Wed Feb 17 23:03:56 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: ????s For KAREN

Several people have asked questions that have not been answered.
1. When is the 2nd single coming out.?
2. why are CDs not for sale at concerts?( as stated on previous post)
3. How Is HN doing commercially? Please ! I am not asking for specific sales just is it doing good, fair ,or poorly.

Message: 4812 Posted: Wed Feb 17 22:57:29 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: Thanks

Thanks to Mark and Maureen I have 7 new CDs and tape of America music! thanks guys.. America rules

Message: 4811 Posted: Wed Feb 17 22:55:27 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: Thanks Mark

I got the CDs Mark!!!! Thanks ,it is really great to here that music in my car again......JK

Note to Johnny.. What lyrics do you want ? I wasn't sure. Also that song book only Has their 1st 7 albums on it... Joe K

Message: 4810 Posted: Wed Feb 17 22:45:48 1999 By: KevinS.
Subject: What happened to the 2nd single?

Maybe the silence speaks loud and clear. I hope not.


Message: 4809 Posted: Wed Feb 17 22:06:34 1999 By: Jim Griffey
Subject: Re: So what happened to the so-called "2nd single" from "Human Nature"?

My two cents...from a radio perspective...I think too much time may have elapsed between singles. Having worked the music director end of a radio station I've found that if you don't hit radio with a quick one two...keep the momentum going in other run the risk of being forgotten about. Pop Radio is rather quick to move on to the "next new thing".

Jim...Erie, Pa

Message: 4808 Posted: Wed Feb 17 21:43:25 1999 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: So what happened to the so-called "2nd single" from "Human Nature"?

Ok,here it is past the middle of February and I'm wondering....whatever happened to the so-called "2nd single" from this CD "HUman Nature". As I recall,Karen told us on the chat site one night that this LP was not "dead" and they would be working a second single. Well.....whats the Holdup????????? Personally,"Pages" should be the next song released as a single.
They've been playing it Live since last Summer. Sure would like to
hear some feedback on what happened to the next release.....

Message: 4807 Posted: Wed Feb 17 21:16:30 1999 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: rumors

just wanted to throw a rumor out there that I heard....maybe someone who knows can put it to rest or confirm it.....while dinning at the Lookout road house located in the mountians above Lake Elsinore California ( wife and I got a tour of the bread and breakfast room....the host/cook showed us a fireplace located in the room that had a wine bottle set in the mortar...he told us that the wine bottle was left behind by America and Eagle band members who stayed at the road house sometime ago....of course my ears perked up........its amazing how many America stories surface in these mountains.........can anyone confirm Americas visit to the Roadhouse cafe...??

Message: 4806 Posted: Wed Feb 17 20:51:39 1999 By: leakycanoe
Subject: ditto

Ditto to KevinS message #4785, maybe next time around...there is a lot to be said about a band that plays together night after night,month after month, year after year....

Message: 4805 Posted: Wed Feb 17 19:27:52 1999 By: TZ MAC
Subject: Re: Painted Ladies Answer

Whew ..... I hope that smoothes everything out. Steve

Oh, all right Steve. I'll call Johnny Cochran and have him drop legal action.

However, unless the fine print in the trivia question was smaller than the font used on the back of CD booklet, on the One Way release of Perspective, I didn't see a request for the name of an album.


Message: 4804 Posted: Wed Feb 17 19:07:48 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Painted Ladies Answer

AARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!! You mean by being sneaky, I've lost restitution for the Right Before My Eyes answer??

Actually Tim, I just wanted to see what kind of reaction I would get from you (LOL). It was just about what I expected (please don't be mad at me!!!!). Yes, you were the first one with the answer, but you didn't tell us what CD to find it on so I had to give Joe some kind of special recognition. Whew ..... I hope that smoothes everything out.

Message: 4803 Posted: Wed Feb 17 18:47:16 1999 By: Erin
Subject: Re: Favorite Two

Hourglass and Harbor.
Favorite live song is a tie between Riverside and Sandman. And I completely agree about Never Be's AWESOME live.

Message: 4802 Posted: Wed Feb 17 18:42:32 1999 By: TZ MAC
Subject: Re: Painted Ladies Answer

Tim also gave a hint at the America connection when he said "Wow, it's like the answer was written right before my eyes". I'll have to give Joe credit for the complete answer

AARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!! You mean by being sneaky, I've lost restitution for the Right Before My Eyes answer??


Message: 4801 Posted: Wed Feb 17 17:49:31 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: For Karen...........

Hi Karen,
Anything new with Long Island, NY or NJ shows? Hope to hear from you soon. Hay, a few years ago America played out in StonyBrook. I missed that show but I heard it was excellent. Also, how about the Planting Fields Aurbortium in Oyster Bay? Every summer, alot of hot performers partake in their annual Jazz Festival. Bob and I went to the Jazz Fest last summer and it is really a nice place to see a show. Maybe they have other events that America could be part of. . Just my two-cents worth. See Ya, Maureen.

Message: 4800 Posted: Wed Feb 17 17:31:04 1999 By: Ron B
Subject: Favorite Two

Holiday and Van Go Gan.

Message: 4799 Posted: Wed Feb 17 16:49:29 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Never Be Lonely

thanks for the clarification TT! AM a bit slow on the uptake today ( Blame it on work overload!)

Message: 4798 Posted: Wed Feb 17 16:26:21 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Never Be Lonely

mB, that laughing sounded just like a drum machine! (hahahahahahahahah...etc) I get it. Willie could beat that with one drumstick held in his mouth, let alone one arm!

Favorite live song has to be RIVERSIDE. It's probably my favorite song, period. The first song of their first album. I agree that it sets the mood for the rest of the concert. Heard it when Dan was still with them and ever since. It's probably the most fun song to a guitar player, too. Heard them do NEVER BE LONELY last week, and I agree with the energy and difference when done live. I also agree the "other three guys'" talent is being wrongly neglected when it comes to recording, due to so-called market decisions.

Message: 4797 Posted: Wed Feb 17 16:12:29 1999 By: JL
Subject: Re: Ian Thomas "Painted Ladies" and other gems

Hold On by Santana it is. Someone mentioned that Ian Thomas's brother is Dave thomas (SCTV etc.) The wit certainly must be in the genes as I've seen Ian interviewed a few times on various shows and he's hilarious.

Message: 4796 Posted: Wed Feb 17 15:54:18 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Ian Thomas "Painted Ladies" and other gems

Barry Manilow Tom? You made me shudder! (Bette Middler used to call him "Very Vanilla" back in the days of their feud ( I believe they have since patched things up). Thanks for the laugh!

Message: 4795 Posted: Wed Feb 17 15:34:15 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: Ian Thomas "Painted Ladies" and other gems

Wow! I love this trivia about one of my personal faves, Ian Thomas. Sadly I must admit-and it's a shocker- I don't know the answer. Oh My God!!! For anyone interested, The Ian Thomas LP that contained the original version of "Right Before Your Eyes" was entitled "Goodnight Mrs. Calabash". It is one of the most overlooked GEMS of the 70's! The musicianship and the outstanding songwriting craft of Ian Thomas really shines through! The reason I got into Ian was because of the strong resemblance to AMERICA! I have the debut LP with "Painted Ladies" ( I also Know the Guitar Chords- for any one interested, the follow-up LP "Long Way Home" and the two that featured The Ian Thomas Band. "..Mrs. Calabash" and "Still Here". Ironically, he emulates so many similarities of AMERICA that it's a shame they never got a chance to collaborate. He has a heavy Beach Boys influence too. I really admire him! Thanks for the trivia Steve- I wish I heard it first! Attention- if an honest, though negative comment might offend you ...please don't read any further........................... The Ian Thomas version of his composition "Right Before Your Eyes" is such a good song that, even though it fit into America's style, they didn't even come close. Personally, I blame the producer, Bobby Colomby(Former member of Blood,Sweat & Tears) for sweetening the tune too much. Even Gerry's voice comes off too "dainty" for the song. I know many folks find the song wimpy, but I must admit that Ian's voice, tempo & structure of the song is perfect just the way it is. Think of it this way, imagine Barry Manilow recording "All My Life"- it Could work, but it just wouldn't compare to the original. I shudder just thinking about that one...LOL :-) TeeTee

Message: 4794 Posted: Wed Feb 17 15:23:08 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Never Be Lonely

"one armed Willy"?

Message: 4793 Posted: Wed Feb 17 15:06:36 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Ian Thomas "Painted Ladies" and other gems

If it was one of those four songs, then it was HOLD ON by Santana. It charted in late '82 or early '83.


Message: 4792 Posted: Wed Feb 17 14:27:38 1999 By: mBluLight
Subject: Re: Never Be Lonely

oops. that last message should've had the "one armed willy" quote between the brackets...


Message: 4791 Posted: Wed Feb 17 14:23:50 1999 By: mBluLight
Subject: Re: Never Be Lonely




Message: 4790 Posted: Wed Feb 17 13:17:46 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Ian Thomas "Painted Ladies" and other gems

I know that Ian had the following songs performed by other bands:

"Hold On" by Santana
"The Runner" by Manfred Mann
"Right Before Your Eyes" by America
"Chains" by Chicago

As soon as I figure out which song was released in 1982 the same time as America's version of "Right Before Your Eyes" I'll be able to answer your question.

Message: 4789 Posted: Wed Feb 17 11:36:46 1999 By: JL
Subject: Ian Thomas "Painted Ladies" and other gems

FYI, Ian thomas has a "Best Of" cd. Lots of great tunes on it. Should be available through A&B Sound (see the link on Steve's page).

Here's my feeble attempt at a trivia question. Ian Thomas had 2 songs on the charts at the same time. He, however, wasn't the performer for either one. Yes one was America's rendition of Right Before Your Eyes. What was the other song and which group performed it?

Message: 4788 Posted: Wed Feb 17 10:04:29 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Painted Ladies

Congratulations to Tim for being the first one to guess that it was Ian Thomas singing "Painted Ladies". Tim also gave a hint at the America connection when he said "Wow, it's like the answer was written right before my eyes". I'll have to give Joe credit for the complete answer by indicating that Ian wrote the "Rudolph Valentino" song, "Write Before Your Eyes". Thanks, too, Joe for the information about the CD that the song is found on. I recently obtained Rhino's Have A Nice Day, Volume 17 CD from Mark during his fire sale and it has brought back a lot of memories from the early 70's. I'm glad you all enjoyed this little trivia question.

By the way, if you go to Rhino's web site and do a search on "Have A Nice Day" it will list all 25 of the CD's with that name. You can buy the CD's directly from them for $11.98 or you can check out your local music stores.

Message: 4787 Posted: Wed Feb 17 09:44:21 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: My Fav 2

Well, today is a different day, so if I were stuck on an island with two CD's, it would be AMERICA and VAN GO GAN (however, I would try to smuggle HARBOR and VIEW FROM THE GROUND in with me).

I agree with you young Grandpa (Steve) about NEVER BE LONELY. However, I like Gerry's MIRROR TO MIRROR also. No wait, the best live song I heard was INSPECTOR MILLS (man, I love that song). They played it in '83 at Radio City (and on King Biscuit).


Message: 4786 Posted: Wed Feb 17 09:29:25 1999 By: Joe B
Subject: Painted Ladies

Hey You People,

For the curious, Ian Thomas's "Painted Ladies" is available on the Rhino Records CD 'Have A Nice Day: Super Hits of the 70's" vol. 17. Ian (brother of Dave Thomas of SCTV/McKenzie Bros, etc. fame) wrote the minor America hit and fan fave "Right Before Your Eyes". "Painted Ladies" is a cool little tune that hit #34 on the charts in early 1974 (actually released in late '73). Have A nice day.

Joe B

P.S. 2 albums - "Hourglass" and "Holiday"
P.S.S. That particular Rhino album includes a few other gems like
Orleans "Dance With Me", Danny O'Keefe's "Good Time Charlie's Got The Blues", King Harvest's "Dancing In The Moonlight" and the bubblegum pop masterpiece "Rendezvous" by the Hudson Brothers. Beware, the album also contains "Feelings" YIKES!!!!

Message: 4785 Posted: Wed Feb 17 09:26:02 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: Never Be Lonely

I've had the pleasure of hearing Never Be Lonely a few times. It is a great treat. In fact, every time I come away from an America concert I'm always blown away by how tight that band is, as are friends of mine who go into the shows not knowing the band. And I always spend the next few months wondering why America doesn't record with its band more. I mean, those guys are awesome together. Leacox can play drums with the best of them. It's a shame he's relegated to an occasional bongos session. In my opinion, a one-armed Willie Leacox can outdo Gerry's drum-machine any day of the week. It was good to finally hear Brad Palmer's bass playing on a few songs on Human Nature. And the Michael Woods sightings on an America album are a much too infrequent occurance. Perhaps the one thing that makes Silent Letter so special is the fact that it was the last album America used the band on. I wonder, if those guys are good enough to tour with side-by-side for the past 20 years, why not record with them as well? I know I'll be accused of being naive, but maybe if they recorded with the band more often, their albums would have a more cohesive feel (a formula that suited them very well during the George Martin days) and it wouldn't take them so long to learn new songs well enough to play in concert. Just a thought.

Long live Willie, Brad and Michael.


Message: 4784 Posted: Wed Feb 17 09:18:48 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: My Fav 2

Are you kidding...pick 2! I Can't...totally impossible. But if I must!
My fav 2 are America and Homecoming. From start to finish...great!!!
My fav song live is...Riverside. Opening chords+solo's=euphoria!!!
My daughter Emily:
Her fav studio song: Gerry's VGG's "Sunrise, Sunset."
Her fav song misinterpreted: Horse With No Name, she insists this:
I've been to the desert on a horse with no name,
it felt good to be on the range!!!!

Honestly, depends what I want to listen to. Different songs have
different meaning and feelings. So all are my favorites. So there!!!

P.S. On alot of the solid gold clips that I have, the guys are mouthing the words big time to some of the songs.

Message: 4783 Posted: Wed Feb 17 08:36:17 1999 By: EDDY
Subject: 2/live/painted Ladies

Great trivia question Steve!, what CD is that song on? I would like to get it (Thanx)
Like Penny, I would have to pick Riverside for my FAVE live song, as far as the best 2, it would have to be AMERICA & HUMAN NATURE.
The first choice will allways stay the same, the 2nd choice could change at any given time.

Message: 4782 Posted: Wed Feb 17 08:05:27 1999 By: Maureeen
Subject: Ms Penny,

Hi Ms Penny,
Sure, rub it in. Every show we have been to over the last 2 years, I have had the pleasaure of speaking with the guys and Gerry before each show, and I would ask Gerry if he is going to play AML ?? He finally did play it last year at Atlantic City but of course, that was the ONE show (in the area) that we DID NOT go to. I think he knew we weren't there. Ha, Ha. Maybe this year???

Oh, by the way, my favorite LIVE song would also have to be 'Never Be Lonely'. But if I ever get to here 'All My Life' LIVE, then that will be my favorite LIVE song!! After all, that is my ALL-TIME favorite Gerry tune. Enough babbling, too much caffeine this morning.....See ya....Maureen.

Message: 4781 Posted: Wed Feb 17 06:54:52 1999 By: Pete
Subject: Steve Lowry (chords) Wheels are turning

Steve I will check out those chords tonight, I think there is a Am chord in that beginning right after that G/D. Not sure but I will listen to it tonight along with my guitar. Planning on learning the song now. Could you please send me your e-mail and I will get back to you.

Message: 4780 Posted: Wed Feb 17 04:46:11 1999 By: Penny
Subject: Live Loves

Maybe because they play it first....maybe because it's from the first me crazy, but when I hear those guitars start in on Riverside - I get goosebumps. It takes me back to a younger time. The guys actually seem to get younger as they play it too. Just love it.

I was one of the lucky few who heard "All My Life" live. Words truly can't describe how beautiful this song was performed by Gerry. Just him and a guitar. I will never, never forget it.

Message: 4779 Posted: Wed Feb 17 04:11:47 1999 By: jessica
Subject: "just 2"

It is a headache to choose just 2, and only 2 albums(Penny, you are so right!), but since you guys did it, here's my best 2 albums: Silent Letter and Alibi.

For the best live song, I agree with Steve 100% - it has to be Never Be Lonely! Before I heard the live version, it was just "so-so" with me. I mean, I liked it but it wasn't that memorable to my ears. Sung live, it was really something else.

But I have to cheat a little and say that on the same slot in my list is "All My Life". Shari, you have to hear it! That's all I can say about the experience.

To Bruce: the name of the CD (with the reggae version of Tin Man) is "Retrospective: Past to Present (remixed)". The CD cover had no info on its inside or back panels whatsoever.


Message: 4778 Posted: Wed Feb 17 04:06:50 1999 By: TZ MAC
Subject: Re: Musical Trivia Question

Wow, it's like the answer was written right before my eyes.

How many can say they have an original 45 of Ian Thomas' song Painted Ladies?

Well, for my next trick..............anybody got a spare rabbit??


Message: 4777 Posted: Wed Feb 17 00:06:45 1999 By: EDDY
Subject: Re: Musical Trivia Question

Ok, I haven't heard this song for a LONG time (Great tune) I'm gonna try again (This is driving me nuts, I should be sleeping!!) Could it be Feeling good mama by Argent, America Connection: Russ Ballard? Don't laugh, its just a guess.

Message: 4776 Posted: Tue Feb 16 23:57:00 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Out of lurkdom to reveal favorite live song

Steve I highly agree. NEVER BE LONELY is a terrific example of acoustic based rock. The stops & starts in the song are superb & the bands timing is impeccable. This song is a real crowd energizer. I hope you have all seen & heard it live. And who else could pull off the lyrical question:

"Wasn't I the one love never came too ?
Wasn't I the one so misunderstood ? "

in this great song. Only GERRY BECKLEY could pull this off. A superb song !
All the elements are there.

Message: 4775 Posted: Tue Feb 16 23:45:05 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Partial Chords To "Wheels Are Turning"

Thanks to Nada (whoever that is) we have the basic chords to "Wheels Are Turning". I've added them to the web site along with a few additional chords of my own (I know they're not right, but they'll give you REAL guitar players something to shoot at). I look forward to receiving the REAL chords as well as the chords that are still missing. I know you guys can do it.

Message: 4774 Posted: Tue Feb 16 23:41:35 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Musical Trivia Question

Nope, Eddy. It's not Mason Profit. By the way, I forgot to mention that you also need to name the song. But I figured that anyone who figured out the artist would also know the title. Keep guessing!

Message: 4773 Posted: Tue Feb 16 23:31:18 1999 By: EDDY
Subject: Re: Musical Trivia Question

Mason Profit?

Message: 4772 Posted: Tue Feb 16 22:17:17 1999 By: JL
Subject: 2 only 2

What a tough choice. Ok, I also able to narrow it down to something beginning with an "H". Hourglass and Silent Letter would have to get the nod. Van Go Gan, although an "official" America album would be a close contender.

As for the live song.... Sandman has never been a favorite of mine, except when done live. blows me away each time. Last Unicorn with the Vancouver Symphony Orchestra backing the guys was pretty amazing too.

Message: 4771 Posted: Tue Feb 16 22:06:52 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Musical Trivia Question

Everyone at work knows that I like America but today I was listening to a non-America CD. One of my co-workers happened to hear a song that I was playing and wanted to know which America song it was. I told him that it wasn't America and he pointed out that it sounded just like "the guy that sings 'Horse With No Name'." I paid more attention to the song and realized that he was right. Upon further investigation (and repeated listening), I discovered that the author and singer of this song has ties to America and that it's not really that surprising that it sounds a lot like Dewey and America.

Here's the trivia question. Click on the following link to play the Real Audio file of the mystery song. After listening to it, see if you can identify who is singing it and explain what his connection to America is? I hope this isn't too easy, but I also hope you enjoy listening to this song. It's very America-ish.

Message: 4770 Posted: Tue Feb 16 21:31:38 1999 By: leakycanoe
Subject: re: 2 & favorite live

Favorite LP's = America and Homecoming
Favorite CD's = Hourglass and Van Go Gan
Favorite Live = Three Roses
Want to hear Live = Old Man Took with orchestra
Favorite America T-Shirt = 92/93 tour

Message: 4769 Posted: Tue Feb 16 20:45:20 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Out of lurkdom to reveal favorite live song

I normally "lurk" when these "favorite" discussions go on because I usually can't pick a favorite (but I really enjoy reading all of your comments). However, when a favorite live song was mentioned, I immediately thought of "Never Be Lonely". "Never Be Lonely" is a good (not necessarily great) song from View From The Ground but in concert it is AMAZING (I can't think of a better word to describe it). If you've never heard it live, you don't know what you're missing!

Message: 4768 Posted: Tue Feb 16 20:36:06 1999 By: BC
Subject: Re: Two After the First Two, Not Counting The Last Two

Okay, so now I get 4? After America and Homecoming which I mentioned earlier, I would pick Alibi and Human Nature.

Message: 4767 Posted: Tue Feb 16 20:26:42 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: Only 2 ??

That is an extremely tough choice for me to make. How about, "What 2 albums are your favorites from the 70's, 80's and 90's". (not too many of those yet) !! Sounds like a radio promo.
Anyway, here are my 2 favorite.........America & Silent Letter (Gotta love All My Life!!!) But I too, like Penny, depends on my mood, except for SL. See ya. Maureen
Hi Miss Penny!! Thanks for the card........

Message: 4766 Posted: Tue Feb 16 20:13:38 1999 By: janice
Subject: Re: personal highlight

Ok Tom T..I have to admit that "Horse" still does it for thoroughly enjoy the concert and that have it end with my all time favorite is the icing on the cake..the chips in my favorite cookie..hmmmmmm..eating the dough while making my favorite get the picture.. What a mail call my CD's Mark..muchas gracias!..AND..the Watercolor Sky CD! Life is good. Have an absolutely splendid evening! :)

Message: 4765 Posted: Tue Feb 16 20:08:51 1999 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: Two..and live

Since my cd collection has a few gaps in it, I don't even have some of the albums that have been mentioned.
So I'll skip to the other question, which was favorite live song.
"Old Man Took" which they did a few years ago in concert, has always been a personal fav and was THRILLING to hear in person.
Haven't heard, but would LOVE to hear "All My LIfe" live.
ShariL <><

Message: 4764 Posted: Tue Feb 16 19:48:21 1999 By: Penny
Subject: Just Two! Can't Do!

I can't even decide which is my most favorite of my two favorites! And only allowing 2 choices is extremely...painful, to say the least.
OK, OK...Homecoming followed immediately by America with Hatrick ready to go on third and Holiday lined up to play fourth. BUT! This is all solely dependent on the mood I'm in at the time.

And that's as specific as I can be. Please ask no more. My head hurts now! Let's not ever do this again. :)

Message: 4763 Posted: Tue Feb 16 19:26:53 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Two After the First Two, Not Counting The Last Two

Hideaway and View From the Ground

Message: 4762 Posted: Tue Feb 16 19:20:32 1999 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: America's "Musicladen" DVD & video & the Central Park show

Its been interesting reading the comments of each fans "top 2 favorite LP's". If you're looking for something different,try these: First off,the recent DVD & video release of the "Musicladen" show is a
MUST for all ORIGINAL America fans! This show is from early 1975 and includes original 3rd member Dan Peek. You get great versions of "Don't cross the river","Lonely people"(Dan's songs)along with rarely heard or performed tunes like "Rainbow song","Windwave","Moon song" and "California Revisited"(another one with Dan singing lead).
As for the "Central Park show" from 1979,thats a great show with just
Gerry & Dewey from their "Silent letter" tour days. This show was originally available on Laser Disk,but I have a video copy and an
excellent version that was transferred from the Laser disk to a CD.
On this you'll find Live tracks that include "All night","Only game in
town","foolin" and "here" along with the usual main hits. While I love
all the America LP's and CD's,I do appreciate some of these other shows that focus on some of the lesser known tracks. I highly recommend these to fans!

Message: 4761 Posted: Tue Feb 16 19:04:09 1999 By: JoanneM
Subject: Re:My "two" cents

As my MoM would say when I asked her whom she loved the most out of me and my siblings,I always hoped she would say me,but she would say which arm do I need more than the other. Holiday and America (My Mom never said)

Message: 4760 Posted: Tue Feb 16 18:55:45 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Two And Only Two

Yep...It has to be their first two albums. I've known them the longest and still haven't been let down. All the rest still seem "new" to me by comparison, and the first two started it all. Maybe we can ask which two, excluding the first two, greatest hits, and live ones? Maybe then I can come up with some creative reply.

Message: 4759 Posted: Tue Feb 16 18:51:32 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Two And Only Two

Homecoming and Hat Trick ( tough choice between that and Harbor)

Favorite song live? Sandman

Message: 4758 Posted: Tue Feb 16 18:41:07 1999 By: BC
Subject: Re: Two And Only Two

There is a "semi"-regular column that has appeared in the local paper where people select the "Ten Albums I Couldn't Live Without". I have never personally put it down on paper, because it is definitely a tough decision.......and now, you want me to select JUST TWO.......? Okay, it would have to be America and Homecoming for me.

Message: 4757 Posted: Tue Feb 16 18:28:12 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Two And Only Two

I sure can't break one of the longest unbroken strings of replies to a single post, can I? I wish the question excluded compilation and live albums, though. I'm gonna pretend it does. That still makes it tough. right back, honest.

Message: 4756 Posted: Tue Feb 16 18:24:19 1999 By: laura
Subject: ...just two...

goes w/out saying -- any 2 would make for a good year, listeningwise.
today's choices : "America" & "Hourglass".

Message: 4755 Posted: Tue Feb 16 17:26:44 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: just two...

My Two and only two would be "Holiday" and "Hearts". I must admit, this is a tough choice! How about this for a Chat Folder Question....
Whenever AMERICA performs live, which song is a personal highlight of the concert? Remember Friends, this doesn't necessarily mean which song is your favorite- it means which song satisfies you whenever you hear it performed LIVE? I always love hearing "3 Roses"; however, the last time I saw America, they really kicked butt on "Sandman". Oh I almost forgot how much I love to hear them play "Here". This is a difficult one too!!! Well, what do you think????

Message: 4754 Posted: Tue Feb 16 17:16:31 1999 By: janice
Subject: just two...

America and Homecoming..Mark..did you get my $ yet? ..and Jim..nobody goes TO may DRIVE THROUGH Barstow to get SOMEWHERE ELSE. :) Hope everyone is having a simply wonderful day...

Message: 4753 Posted: Tue Feb 16 17:11:28 1999 By: Andrew
Subject: Re: Two And Only Two

America and Homecoming

Message: 4752 Posted: Tue Feb 16 16:26:32 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: Two And Only Two

Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny. What are you going to do next, ask me to choose which of my kids I like best?

Man, that's tough. Their first three albums alone are such acoustic-rock classics that it would be impossible to choose from there. Then, there's the George Martin pop-years with Hearts and Harbor and Hideaway all impossible to pick a winner. And my all-time favorite of America The Duo being Alibi. I'd say if I had to pick two, I would get out my Sony Mini-Disc recorder and on Disc One I'd put America, Homecoming, Hat Trick, Holiday, Hearts, Hideaway, Harbor. And on Disc Two I'd put Silent Letter, Alibi, View From The Ground, Your Move, the first four songs on Encore, Hourglass, most of Human Nature and PEACE.

There, those are my two choices. Hey, that was much easier than I thought.


Message: 4751 Posted: Tue Feb 16 16:24:58 1999 By: Jim Griffey
Subject: Re: Two And Only Two

My two..."Hideaway" and "Silent Letter" that order.

Jim...Erie, Pa

Message: 4750 Posted: Tue Feb 16 16:21:42 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Two And Only Two

My first pick is ALIBI followed by HOURGLASS.

Message: 4749 Posted: Tue Feb 16 16:17:20 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: Two And Only Two

Geez, only two. I would have to pick History and Encore.

Message: 4748 Posted: Tue Feb 16 15:19:48 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Two And Only Two

For me it would be AMERICA and HEARTS. Always my two favorites.


Message: 4747 Posted: Tue Feb 16 15:12:46 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Two And Only Two

Here's a hypothetical situation. Let's say you have only two AMERICA albums (cassettes or CD's) to listen to for the remainder of the year. Which two would you pick? No ties, please; it's two and only two. List the first one as your top pick. This should be very interesting!

Message: 4746 Posted: Tue Feb 16 14:38:13 1999 By: MAUREEN
Subject: STEVE L.


Message: 4745 Posted: Tue Feb 16 12:45:19 1999 By: ---
Subject: lyrics, & Valley Poachers

Quite fun to come in after several days and have all this insight, wisdom, meanings, mishearings, clarifications etc etc to read through. As a self-confessed word junkie probably in need of a good 12-step program, I have no brilliance to share today (those insights only come days after everyone else has moved on to something else entirely).

There are a couple lyric mysteries of Mr. Bunnell (that is Bunnell, not Banal, as some critics might have us believe) that I noticed years ago that I've always wondered about. These are 2 cases where the Warner songbooks for their particular album cannot even agree on the lyrics within the pages of the same book. This in itself is not that unusual, but if in an Oliver-Stone-conspiracy-theory kind of mood, these discrepancies can seem perhaps purposeful.
In the Hearts songbook, we have the lyric page reading "...others were waiting to FLY IN the night...", then turn the page to the lyrics & chords & now you have " FIND the night."
In the Harbor songbook, lyric page, you have "...TRY TRIPPIN' tonight, tomorrow tame tempers to touch tender time" changed to "PRIZE SHIPMENT tonight..." just a turn of the page later when listed with the chords, etc.
In listening to these two songs, I KNOW WHAT I HEAR ANYWAY, (definitely in one case, usually in the other) & I do begrudgingly bow to the power of suggestion & the fact that if you're told what you hear, it oftentimes goes no further than that.

The last thing I'm trying to do is bring late 1990's sensibilities to mid '70s lyrics, much less the additional 20-some-odd years of undoubted maturity, but 'tis just something I've been wondering about for far too long now.

I'm surprised he was left to "see through the grass" at Cornwall Blank.


Message: 4744 Posted: Tue Feb 16 11:57:16 1999 By: jeff
Subject: Union, MO show 7/10

Does anyone know anything about this Franklin Youth Fair?

Message: 4743 Posted: Tue Feb 16 10:18:26 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: To Nada

Maureen, the CD that Nada is referring to is For The Love Of Harry: Everybody Sings Nilsson. I recently posted the Real Audio sound clip of the Beckley/Lamm/Wilson cut "Without Her" on the America Fans web site. I hope this helps.

Message: 4742 Posted: Tue Feb 16 10:13:59 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Wheels are turning

starts with Em9, Cmaj9, G/D, D for verses - chorus Am, C, Em7, D Somewhere in there. Simular to the first 3 album chord changes.
There's more to it that someone could finish and post.

It looks like someone has started figuring out the chords. Now if someone can just finish it off, I'll be able to post it. Thanks for your work Nada.

Message: 4741 Posted: Tue Feb 16 10:05:49 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Wheels are turning

Will the chords for Wheels are turning be posted on the chord section of this web site.

If someone can figure them out and send them to me I'll be happy to post them.

Message: 4740 Posted: Tue Feb 16 10:02:00 1999 By: JoanneM
Subject: Johnny(MF"Q"tee shirt update)

Johnny,Happen to visit Henry Diltz web site, and it had a list of all the bands he has taken photos of- MFQ-MODERN FOLK QUARTET.Just thought you would like to know.Take care JoanneM

Message: 4739 Posted: Tue Feb 16 09:53:54 1999 By: JoanneM
Subject: RE: Barstow..Barstow..Showcase of the Southland

To Jimnak, I thought the song was about Barstow,Texas,the state where Gerry was born.I live in N.Y and never knew there was a Barstow California.Thanks for the info.JoanneM

Message: 4738 Posted: Tue Feb 16 09:53:06 1999 By: Cookielady
Subject: Double your fun

Since I can't make it to Hershey on March 6, I guess this means I'll do double the cooking/baking to bring with me for the next time I can catch up with you. Will anyone need more maple syrup when next we meet?
Mike's cousin Jeanmarie

Message: 4737 Posted: Tue Feb 16 09:41:22 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: To Nada

The title of this CD is still unclear. Please post exact wording & authors. THANK YOU !!

Message: 4736 Posted: Tue Feb 16 08:54:22 1999 By: nada
Subject: Re: Wheels are turning

starts with Em9, Cmaj9, G/D, D for verses - chorus Am, C, Em7, D Somewhere in there. Simular to the first 3 album chord changes. There's more to it that someone could finish and post.

Message: 4735 Posted: Tue Feb 16 08:51:46 1999 By: nada
Subject: Re: To NADA re: Borders CD of BLW

the Nilson tribute CD w/BLW - also a bargain at Media Play

Message: 4734 Posted: Tue Feb 16 08:42:57 1999 By: Fan
Subject: Steve Lowery (chords)

Steve, will they be posting the chords for wheels are turning anytime in the near future.

Message: 4733 Posted: Tue Feb 16 08:30:29 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: Cass & Cd's

Hi Mark,
You never emailed me with the amount I owe you. Please let me know. Thanks...Maureen

Message: 4732 Posted: Tue Feb 16 08:29:12 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: To NADA re: Borders CD of BLW

This message is for Nada, the person who's message is #4663, quote "just about every borders books and music has this CD as a "cut-out" for under $4.00! " Who ever you are, could you please post a message of the EXACT title of the CD and author and if you have the UPC number. I've checked the Boarder Stores here on Long Island, and nothing. Thanking you in advance. If anyone else can help, I'd appreicate it. Thanks. Maureen

Message: 4731 Posted: Tue Feb 16 08:09:05 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: To Mark: Cassettes

No, I'm pretty much cleaned out. I was surprised by the response I got.

Message: 4730 Posted: Tue Feb 16 07:50:19 1999 By: Bruce
Subject: Jessica Post

Hey Jessica what's the name & record label of that CD?

Message: 4729 Posted: Tue Feb 16 06:38:50 1999 By: jessica
Subject: america gone reggae?hiphop?

Today, an officemate of mine came up to me and said that he didn't know that America had gone reggae and hiphop. You can guess what my reaction was: I said: "Say what?". As it turned out, he bought a CD of by various artists where their songs are remixed. Tin Man got turned into a cross between reggae and hiphop(I don't know how else to describe it..). He even played the song in question and it was indeed Dewey singing, albeit with a reggae beat. I found it - well, interestingly different!

Last time, I heard disco versions of Muskrat and Ventura Highway but the guys weren't singing them.

Just sharing the info....

Message: 4728 Posted: Tue Feb 16 06:18:58 1999 By: Fan
Subject: Wheels are turning

Will the chords for Wheels are turning be posted on the chord section of this web site.

Message: 4727 Posted: Mon Feb 15 23:39:55 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Barstow, Barstow ......... Showcase of the Southland

Well just go thru driving thru Barstow, California this past weekend. Played the Barstow song by AMERICA on the HUMAN NATURE disk, as we entered the fine city. The city has a population of approx. 22,000 & yes it is in the desert, so the weather can be a tad warm in the summer but is quite nice now. That song has a rather nice melody & the song seems to stay on my mind.
Anyone planning a winter vacation to Barstow ?

Message: 4726 Posted: Mon Feb 15 20:03:03 1999 By: Johnny....Again
Subject: Message To Joe Knight

Joe, what does the songbook have regarding the lyrics I mentioned in my previous post? I meant to ask you before I sent the previous message.

Message: 4725 Posted: Mon Feb 15 19:58:18 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: "Fallin' Off The World" and "Sometime Lovers"

Steve, I listened to "Fallin'" many times. The only difference I hear is: Nobody knows where their CLEAR spirit goes in the night.
"Sometimes Lovers", I hear: Hold on tight to me MAMA. I hear exactly the same as you with "My Dear". By the way, you did a fabulous job in transcribing all of the lyrics. I don't think you could pay me to do what you did. That, my friends, is true devotion. I salute you!!!

Message: 4724 Posted: Mon Feb 15 19:32:15 1999 By: janice
Subject: Trenton!

Great pics Steve and Janelle! You guys are disgustingly young looking..wink..Trenton is a doll!!
Hope everyone had a great Valentines Day..I had dinner with my guys..Pizza Hut..and a video..Air Bud! Gosh..sure miss the ceiling fan and vacuum cleaners I used to get when I was one year I got a GLOBE!!! Yep..a globe. Hope everyone had a wonderful day..there's something to be said for hearts and flowers!

Message: 4723 Posted: Mon Feb 15 18:01:05 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: Re: Misheard Lyrics

I have the Complete America Song book for guitar and the lyrics say BEER run...... Havn't any of you had to make a beer run during a party? Are we all getting that old?

Message: 4722 Posted: Mon Feb 15 16:55:08 1999 By: John
Subject: van go gan cd

Mundo in Japan still have one in stock be quick!

Message: 4721 Posted: Mon Feb 15 14:52:41 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Photos of Trenton

Great fotos Stevo !! Thanks looks real nice !

Message: 4720 Posted: Mon Feb 15 14:45:12 1999 By: Penny
Subject: FAMT-We Heard It!

My daughters and I were at an IHOP restaurant Saturday night (that's right, we're big spenders!). We were with some friends celebrating a little one's birthday. All of the sudden, FAMT started to come out of the speakers...we all collectively gasped loudly and began to sing.
The waiter who had been taking orders said, "I hear that all the time, who sings that?" We immediately told him! Then this lady in the booth next to us said, "I hear this in the food store...that's really the 'Horse with no Name Group'? We said "yep!" and continued to sing. We then shared the name of the new CD and locally where it could be found.

I hear it in drug stores, food stores, I even heard while I was on hold with AT&T. It's a shame that somehow the name of the group can't be mentioned so people will know what to go out and buy.

I really love that song!

Message: 4719 Posted: Mon Feb 15 14:21:49 1999 By: leakycanoe
Subject: More on Lyrics

I can remember a night in the 70's at a rustic bar located in Trabuco Canyon of the Santa Ana Mountians(Southern California) called the Alpine Inn. I remember a guy in the audience requesting the house band to play the "Alligator lizard song". Its amazing how everyone knew which song that he was requesting.

It was at that moment that I realized the power that a single "hook" lyric could have. A lyric can be used in many ways to create imagery, feeling, or rhyme. When you take a lyric and add a powerful melody, and musical instruments, you can touch the heart and spirit of mankind.

"Alligator lizards" may not have touched my heart by itself, but it contributed to the synergy and overall feel of the free spirit that the song did.

Message: 4718 Posted: Mon Feb 15 12:42:13 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: One More Tough Lyric

"But the words don't make any sense. Any help with these lyrics will also be appreciated."

Steve - the lyrics sound the same to me. BTW, How many of Dewey's lyrics MAKE sense?


Message: 4717 Posted: Mon Feb 15 12:25:15 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: One More Tough Lyric

I knew there was a third song where I was having trouble deciphering the lyrics. I remembered this morning that the song is

Fallin' Off The World

The lyrics I'm having problems with sound something like

All of those screams of each other must share in the fight
Nobody knows where their crisp spirit goes in the night

But the words don't make any sense. Any help with these lyrics will also be appreciated.

Message: 4716 Posted: Mon Feb 15 11:51:19 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Valentine's Day Concert

Dave, thanks for the review of the Macomb Center concert. It sounds like it was the place to be. I don't know why Human Nature wasn't for sale there. Maybe Karen can comment on it.

Message: 4715 Posted: Mon Feb 15 11:49:36 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Lyrics

Tim, I am looking for the lyrics (not the meaning) of the song. I'm glad to hear that my transcription was fairly accurate on "Sometimes Lovers" but "My Dear" is really tough because two people are singing at the same time and it's difficult to understand both sets of lyrics. That's the song I really need help on.

Message: 4714 Posted: Mon Feb 15 11:23:22 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Wrong Lyrics: "Moon Song"

I was really off on "Mong Song". Instead of:
Orange funnels and snowy tunnels
Summer troubles and books in bundles

I thought:
Orange funnels and snow eternal
Summer troubles and looks infernos

Message: 4713 Posted: Mon Feb 15 09:40:52 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Memorable Lyrics

I've always liked these:

"Like you said, you'd never get used to it But it's lost that old surprise. Time comes and goes so quiet now leaves emptiness behind our eyes. Oh, darling, if I could spare us from an hour of the pain, like you said, you'd never get used to it but love's worn out again ." - LOVES WORN OUT AGAIN

and also:

"Drank a potion, stronger than me, got me all confused. Why're you so amused, don't tell me you've had way to much tonight." - MAD DOG


"Pacify your guilt now and satisfy my greed" - PLAYING GOD


Message: 4712 Posted: Mon Feb 15 08:44:28 1999 By: Penny
Subject: And By The Way.....

I'm sending a heartfelt thankyou to all of you who have admitted to not knowing the real lyrics to some songs. Up until the last few days, I believed that I was the only idiot who didn't know all the words!

Hey it's President's Day...ya gotta listen to America on such a patriotic holiday as this!!! And now, I can sing along with the correct words! :)

Message: 4711 Posted: Mon Feb 15 08:37:13 1999 By: Penny
Subject: Memorable Lyrics

Well I'm not sure if they are profound but they are words that always
stick in my head. I constantly strive to live this way but I find it

"Don't think about tomorrow, it's a whole night sleep away"

What do you think of that's not even a Gerry quote! :)
And Mr. Howard! please note who wrote that line!!!!

Message: 4710 Posted: Mon Feb 15 08:33:38 1999 By: Joe B
Subject: Misheard Lyrics

Hey You People,

For the longest time I could not figure out the one part of "People In The Valley"...'hundreds of them walking to-wards us in the rain' (that two syllable pronunciation of 'towards' screwed me up) I would happily be singing "hundreds of them walking to walls of cinder rain" (whatever that means!) I also SWEAR on "Hideaway" that 'Amber Cascades' includes "deer run" in the chorus and that "beer run" was only on the succeeding live versions.

Joe B

Message: 4709 Posted: Mon Feb 15 08:08:12 1999 By: DaveS
Subject: Valentine's Day Concert

America rocked the Macomb Center (near Detroit) yesterday. After a 1 hour set by Christopher Cross, who was very good by the way, America took the stage. They looked and sounded as good as ever. I was disappointed that there was no product for sale. The set list was:

Ventura Highway
You Can Do Magic
Don't Cross The River
I Need You
Tin Man
Daisy Jane
Woman Tonight
Only In Your Heart
California Dreamin'
Lonely People
From a Moving Train
Never Be Lonely
Sister Golden Hair
Horse With No Name (encore)

Message: 4708 Posted: Mon Feb 15 08:03:41 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: "One Morning"

Joanne, thanks for such a quick response. Regarding "One Morning", I had never thought about the song being a song about/for Dan but it certainly fits. We know it's not about his "baby" because his "baby slept". It is definitely about a friend, "Where are you going now my friend". I would say you are right. The mission for the next concert goer is to ask Dewey who the song is about and to report back to us. The other possibility is perhaps it's about a past romance.

Message: 4707 Posted: Mon Feb 15 06:52:00 1999 By: TZ MAC
Subject: Re: Lyrics


A question on your lyrics post. Are you looking for help in the "meaning" of the 2 songs or the lyrics?

I just did a purposeful listen to Sometimes Lovers and the lyrics listed on the web page look and sound correct.


Message: 4706 Posted: Sun Feb 14 23:28:21 1999 By: jessica
Subject: Baby Trent

Hey Grand Dad Steve, you've got a good-looking guy there. Congratulations for your family's newest bundle of joy. Here's to fun times with Trent at America concerts in the future!

Profound lyrics? I don't know if they're profound but I love these: "Doesn't matter what we say, love's the stubbornest game to play..." and "how about a tear for the torment and the trouble, that was brewing in the Asian way, I wore a smile like the faces that surround L.A.".


P.S. (to Blulight: Kula Shaker's "Govinda" and Radiohead's "Creep" were big in the S.E.Asia area mainly bec. of MTV but their latest works are not receiving as much exposure. E.g. OK Computer hardly made a ripple.)

Message: 4705 Posted: Sun Feb 14 21:18:51 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: first America song

Steve, I have five kids, so I am somewhat familiar with the situation. My prediction for the first America song you'll be singing to Trenton is (drumroll please) "Don't cry, baby/Baby, don't you cry"

Good luck. Congratulations.


Message: 4704 Posted: Sun Feb 14 21:09:49 1999 By: Joanne M
Subject: Johnny (Tee shirt pictures update)

Johnny, I love details as much as you.Dewey's tee has MF? don't know if it is an O,or G, Dewey's long hair is in the way, I think it is a picture of a band (anyone know who it could be),BUT I happen to remember Dewey telling me the nite of Nov 3,95 about the other picture of him(Dewey's tee shirt seen) on the left, Dan is center with a (boat lapel) pin,Gerry is on right(also has boat pin),the picture is a silk screen of a naked Lady with the American Flag wrap around her,it was given to him by the artist,He told me he sold it many years ago.Gerry's (haystack) photo- the tee says Cabo San Luca Mexico,Gerry happen to point it out to me when he seen the photo.The picture Dewey hadn't seen was the two photos of the three of them.Also I posted this question about a week ago, but it was a very busy day on the folder,Do you think One Morning from Silent Letter was written to Dan? I do-I happen to Love thatsong lyric's,please read them again, and let me know how you feel.Also if anyone else would like to reply to One Morning please do. Johnny Take care,America fan's Forever,Joanne

Message: 4703 Posted: Sun Feb 14 21:03:32 1999 By: Sandra "Sister Golden Hair"
Subject: Looking Good on Valentine's Day

Dear Dewey and Gerry, I really enjoyed the concert today. I 've been a loyal fan since 1973. I have Gerry's Fender Pic that he threw into the audience many years ago. I attend your concerts faithfully every year when you come to Michigan. It was nice to hear the old Dan Peek tunes. I especially like your new CD "Human Nature". This was the best concert in 25 years ... the sound was crystal clear and you guys look "hot". Wink, Wink! Take care of yourselves.

Message: 4702 Posted: Sun Feb 14 18:43:17 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Lyrics

I have really enjoyed the thoughts and comments on meaningful lyrics as well as misunderstood lyrics. When the America Fans web site was first created, all it had was a few biographies of America Fans along with some photographs. I knew that I didn't know many of the lyrics and when I tried to track them down on the Internet I could only find the lyrics to the "most popular songs". So I set out on a quest to transcribe the lyrics to all of America's songs. It took me many months to finish that quest and I'm not convinced that it's completely done because there are still a few lyrics that I don't understand. The Lyrics Web Page has links to all of America's songs so that you can check out the lyrics to your favorite song or perhaps a song that you just don't understand. Here are a couple of songs that I'm still trying to decipher. Any help that you could give would be greatly appreciated:

Sometimes Lovers
My Dear

Thanks (in advance) for any help you can give. Also, thanks to all of you for your kind thoughts and letters about Trent. We agree that he's beautiful (but we're slightly prejudiced). And Terry, those photos are straight from the scanner (I promise, no doctoring) although I don't claim to be another Dick Clark. I just hope I can still swing a tennis racket when Trent is old enough to play.

Message: 4701 Posted: Sun Feb 14 18:11:55 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Misc.

First of all, a WOW! to Steve's Legacy. Yes, "Beautiful" is politically correct, regardless of gender. New, open eyes and all. We're looking into the future, and it looks good. Steve may turn out to be another Dick Clark, unless he is doctoring those photos...Congratulations, again!

Johnny, you're not alone. I thought RIVERSIDE said, "The world don't come in no live-in" for years! So many times I learned what words of a lot of songs by everyone actually were later. I think it's a tie between being pleasantly surprised or let down (sometimes my version was better). There's a website I've visited that's largely based uopn this topic, where contributions are posted, on a song-by-song basis, of lyric misinterpretations. Some had me rolling...whether they were made up or were unintentional, it didn't matter...all were featured. I'll try to relocate it. I had THREE ROSES wrong for so long, too...

Did anyone ever answer the question from a previous post regarding the "croaking" sounds in Ger's HOPE on Hourglass?

Message: 4700 Posted: Sun Feb 14 17:00:53 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Message to Joanne Meyers

Joanne, regarding the picture of Dewey and Gerry sitting on bales of hay, what's on their t-shirts? Dewey's looks like it's people posing for a picture with the letters, "MFC" O or G. Gerry's looks like a scene of a building. My "inquiring mind" would like to know. Also, which photos did Dewey not have or hadn't seen that he asked you to send him? Thanks in advance for your answer. Once again, those pictures are so cool. I'm glad you have them and I appreciate your sharing them with us.

Message: 4699 Posted: Sun Feb 14 14:48:59 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Misc.

Those are wonderful "profound lyrics" that you all have given. I'm eager to read more of them as more folks return on Monday.

TerryT, your mention of "Riverside" and Joe K, your mention of "Amber Cascades" makes me think of how long I have thought the lyrics to each of those songs were something else. I thought the lyrics of "Riverside" were, "I said the world don't CALL ME A LIVE-IN". I thought "Amber Cascades" said, "Summer canoe paddles up to you 'cause it's time for another DEER run". There are so many other lyrics that I mis-heard. Just one more, "Saturn Nights", " Filled the room with flowers AND NOISE".

That little Trenton sure is a cutie!

Message: 4698 Posted: Sun Feb 14 13:04:48 1999 By: Erin
Subject: Re: Profound Lyrics

I can't unread the pages I've already read.

Message: 4697 Posted: Sun Feb 14 11:01:33 1999 By: Leakycanoe
Subject: Re: Photos/Profound lyrics

Great photos steve.....looks like a future America Fan for sure...

deeply felt or profound lyrics for my Valentine sweetie..."Oh tell me is this really true, can it be peace has come to me and you, tell me over and over, tell me is this really happening,Inside this world it's beatiful, Peace in this garden has come true".....

Message: 4696 Posted: Sun Feb 14 10:18:27 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: Re: Profound Lyrics

Time for another beer run or something thats equally true
You cant miss it.... A blue forest on a green sky.....
Well may not profound but still verrryy COOL....JK

Message: 4695 Posted: Sun Feb 14 08:25:58 1999 By: Penny
Subject: Valentine Blessings

Welcome, Trenton! You are one lucky little kid! Not only were you born healthy and have a terrific grandfather(who has great taste in music!!!)

Congratulations to the entire family! Trenton is absolutely beautiful (oops, should I say handsome? sorry) Is it true that Trenton was humming From A Moving Train while those pictures were taken? What a guy! Good looking and great taste in music and grandparents!

Happy Valentine's Day to everyone!

Message: 4694 Posted: Sat Feb 13 22:04:36 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Photos of Trenton

Hi everyone. Page 7, section 3, paragraph 5 of the grandparents handbook says it's OK to show off pictures of your first grandchild. Therefore, I'm going to show off (besides, some of you asked to see photos). Here are 3 that show a closeup of Trenton, the proud grandpa and the proud grandma. By the way, mother and son are doing great!

Message: 4693 Posted: Sat Feb 13 21:05:42 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: Profound Lyrics

Great Examples of outstanding Lyrics!!! "Green Monkey" really well put together, I agree Kevin S. It's so hard to choose just one. I really like "1960" where Gerry sings.."Here's a cheer for the humor in my brother/ That would brighten up the darkest night./It's just a sign of love whenever we would fight." On a personal note let's just say that right now that lyric pertains to something I'm dealing with with my two Brothers! Geez- Families, you can't live with 'em and you can't live without 'em-sometimes! Anyway, I'll keep my thinking cap on for this one. Good motivation for discussion Johnny! And TerryT- "Riverside" really knocks me out too! Hope all your Valentines are smiling on this special "Holiday". See Ya TeeTee

Message: 4692 Posted: Sat Feb 13 20:44:15 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: lyrics

don't let the features you read control the tickets you buy
soon as you learn how to live you're just beginning to die

Message: 4691 Posted: Sat Feb 13 17:43:35 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Profound Lyrics

CONGRATS to Steve L and Family!

Good topic, Johnny. Are YOU the only one on this board who still has doubts about your being an obsessed fan? I use your condition as an example when my girlfriend thinks I'm going too far! Having that dream seal your fate. It only occurs during advanced stages. It also means that you have some guitar plaing in your soul, as well as many other great things. I envy, but am thankful to share, your knowledge, insight, enthusiasm, and heartfelt Love for America.
Don't stop, it's contagious.

I agree about POLITICAL POACHERS, B.C., very timely.

RIVERSIDE comes quickly to mind as having simple lyrics but profound meaning for me. There are definitely others, but that popped up first...let me see...

Message: 4690 Posted: Sat Feb 13 17:23:36 1999 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: What were they thinking?

Yesterday, I picked up two cd's at my local Borders store. One was the King's Singers "Spirit Voices" which I am enjoying, as I have like them since I was a kid and they used to appear on Johnny Carson.
The second was "The Best of America, Centenary Collection" released by EMI. The inside of the sleeve gives someone's(???) interpretation of America. Early history looks fairly accurate, from what I've read. Says their first live appearance was in 1970 at London's Roundhouse - at a Christmas party for Elton John and The Who. Really?)
Anyway, they go on to taok about other classis releases, and then say Dan Peek left in 1977. Then they talk mostly about who produced them after that. Next paragraph says "America went on one more reunion tour in 1995" (This was released in 1997, mine was labeled "from England")
Someone should tell Gerry and Dewey that they haven't been touring since 1995, it's just a figment of their imaginations, as well as all of us who have seen them since then.
Also, of course, when you talk about someone leaving a group, then talk about a reunion tour, it is infered that everyone got back together for that.
Anyway, it's a great compilation of songs, 20 in all, with Ventura Highway, Daisy Jane, I Need You, Tin Man, Sister Golden Hair, and Horse With No Name all being performed live.
Always fun to find one in a store that I don't have in my collection yet. That's why it's always worth checking. They had one copy of Human Nature, as well as one copy of History.
Remember your sweetie for Valentine's Day tomorrow.
ShariL <><

Message: 4689 Posted: Sat Feb 13 16:21:14 1999 By: BC
Subject: Profound Lyrics

When you've really screwed up and can't "take it back", or you have missed an opportunity...."Nothing's so far away as yesterday."

Also, don't want to get too political here, but how about the lyrics to "Political Poachers" for the political wranglings of recent months and days.......whichever side you're on.......

Message: 4688 Posted: Sat Feb 13 15:30:51 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: AMERICA Obsession

How do you know when you have become obsessed with AMERICA? When you have a dream that you're performing on stage with them playing an acoustic guitar and in reality you don't even know how to play a note. That's what I dreamed several nights ago.

What AMERICA lyric do you think is most profound? Someone mentioned this lyric before and I agree: "No fortune pays for wounds like these." For me, that one statement sums it up so well when you're
feeling down and out. Leave it to Gerry to come up with such emotion in such few words.

Message: 4687 Posted: Sat Feb 13 15:03:22 1999 By: Joe B
Subject: Hey

Jim, Mark, everybody,

Thanks for all the kind wishes expressed on the board and via direct e-mails. I spent the last week kicking back on the beach, so now it's time to resume pounding the pavement. I'm told the average out of work time for radio folks these days is 6 months. Hopefully I'll be like Steve and get back into the workforce quickly. With syndication, consolidation, and satellites there are more people out of work right now than at any other point in the broadcast industry's history. So at least I'm not alone. But you gotta keep chasin' that dream.

Joe B

P.S. Attention aspiring songwriters, I think "Chasin' A Dream" has some definite hit potential.

Message: 4686 Posted: Sat Feb 13 15:01:23 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: "Longie" Has Been Found

Yes, Virginia, you're right. That's it....way to go!

Message: 4685 Posted: Sat Feb 13 14:17:56 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: "Harbor" Trivia Question

Hi Johnny,
It looks like it could be part of the tattoo on the arm of the Hawaiian fellow whose picture is to the left of Jim Calire. I don't have the picture numbers handy.

Message: 4684 Posted: Sat Feb 13 10:10:32 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: "Harbor" Trivia Question

On the "Harbor" album sleeve is the name, "Longie". The guys give their thanks to him/her. That name appears somewhere on the "Harbor" album poster. Can you find it?

Message: 4683 Posted: Sat Feb 13 01:00:29 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: is ther any live chat with other fans of America

Pompano Pete,

The America Fans home page hosts a live chat every Thursday night at 9 pm Eastern time. You can join in by using a Java capable browser and going to /america/amchat.htm

Hope to see you there this Thursday!

Message: 4682 Posted: Sat Feb 13 00:58:14 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Grandpa? No Way!

Looked at your Bio on the fans' page and saw you and your wife's picture. NO WAY you or your wife look old enough to be grandparents!

BC, we got married when we were 8 (LOL!!). [Now where are those darn sarcasm symbols??]

Message: 4681 Posted: Fri Feb 12 20:26:59 1999 By: BC
Subject: Grandpa? No Way!

Looked at your Bio on the fans' page and saw you and your wife's picture. NO WAY you or your wife look old enough to be grandparents! Congratulations, though, I can tell that you are a proud grandpa. Take lots and lots of pictures and spoil Trenton rotten!

Message: 4680 Posted: Fri Feb 12 19:20:12 1999 By: Pompano Pete
Subject: is ther any live chat with other fans of America

Let me know if their is any live chat available

Message: 4679 Posted: Fri Feb 12 17:34:05 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Hey!

Hey Joe, AMERICA's favorite DJ. Any prospects on the job front ? I know you are reviewing your options & the radio biz is kind of rough at times. We are all pulling for you. What's happening ?

Message: 4678 Posted: Fri Feb 12 17:29:48 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: newest America fan

Congrats!!! And Thanks for sharing that awesome electronic greeting card with us! Welcome to the world...Trenton. Best wishes to you, and Yours!!! Grandpa Steve, You're the greatest!!!

Message: 4677 Posted: Fri Feb 12 16:44:55 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: To Mark: Cassettes

Mark, do you still have your "Alibi" and "Perspective" cassettes available?

Message: 4676 Posted: Fri Feb 12 15:06:41 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Hey! Joe B

How's the job front? Have you found anything yet? My pray is that you land on a classic rock station in a major metro area that lets you play all those forgotten America album cuts.

Message: 4675 Posted: Fri Feb 12 14:39:21 1999 By: Joe B
Subject: Hey!

Hey You People,

I've been away for a while - coupla quick thoughts:
- Joanne - I agree, always thought "One Morning" was for Dan
I also was certain "Are You There" was about the band's ill-fated Bob Hope appearance when the tape they were lip-synching to went out but later learned it was about a tour that was cancelled after Dan cut himself in Spain and was unable to carry on.
-Jeff Larson's album "Watercolor Sky" kicks many humongous buttocks simultaneously at the same time (it totally rules!!)
-I listened to "Hourglass" a lot on vacation - a true masterpiece if you remove the 2 unnecessary remakes & replace with "On Target" & "Nothing's So Far"
- America songs of note for warm-weather vacationers:
*Close To The Wind
*God Of The Sun
*Mad Dog (a little bar in the middle of nowhere In Virgin Islands)
*Town & Country (touched by a lot of butterflies there)
*Down To The Water (though a weaker link in the music chain)
- Grandpa Steve - Congrats!

-The day dissenting/disagreeing opinions aren't welcome is the day we should shut this baby down
- I still love "Hidden Talent" (Hidden Talent, yeah!)

Joe B

Message: 4674 Posted: Fri Feb 12 14:16:50 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: VH-1 Where Are They Now

I'll be watching. The nice thing about those VH1 shows is that they re-run them like crazy for months. So America should be getting some nice VH1 exposure for the next year or so!

BTW, wouldn't it be nice if America had a new single out in time for their VH1 appearance!

Message: 4673 Posted: Fri Feb 12 14:06:19 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: newest America fan

John, the first America Song that Trent heard was Horse With No Name. Unfortunately, he had to hear me and the nurse sing it as I was describing one of the electronic greeting cards that we received. FYI, here's what the card looked like:

The caption read: "To the newest America fan - Welcome to the world! Hang on tight to that Horse With No Name!"

Message: 4672 Posted: Fri Feb 12 12:56:11 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Clothing Triv Answer and David Cassidy

BC, you did great on the clothing trivia. The guy eating the apple wearing the Aerosmith t-shirt is Jim Calire. One that you missed, I'm guessing, is photo number 39 also from the "Harbor" poster. He is "Raccoon" and isn't he wearing a Grateful Dead t-shirt? From "Hideaway", David Dickey is wearing an AMERICA t-shirt.

Jim Griffey, very interesting about David Cassidy being in the group photo on the "Hideaway" album sleeve. I can definitely pick him out. He's the one with his right hand on his head. By the way, David Cassidy has a wonderful new song out that I've heard about seven-eight times on the radio lately. I've seen him on TNN and another show performing the song. Boy, is he looking more like his late father, Jack Cassidy. That's very interesting about Dewey wearing David's fur coat. I've often wondered if Dewey still owned it but your message clarified that.

One last thing, I remember when AMERICA performed in Albuquerque back in '75, the warm-up band's members were 'Raccoon" and the guy in photo #6 of the "Harbor" poster.

Message: 4671 Posted: Fri Feb 12 12:40:47 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: VH1

What a birthday present!!! My 45th birthday is Mar 2.!!! betterget a blank video tape!!....JK

Message: 4670 Posted: Fri Feb 12 12:38:54 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: Bambino

Conrats Steve!!!! I am very happy for you. I can't wait to have grand children myself.....JK

Message: 4669 Posted: Fri Feb 12 12:07:14 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: To Karen

Hi Maureen - I guess we should explain what show you were talking about in your post since I received many confused ("what show?! America played in NY?!", etc.) emails after you posted your message to me.

America played two private shows in New York City this week for Northwest Airlines. As you know, America and Northwest do a lot of work together and the band plays many private shows for the airline's executives, gold club members and related colleagues.

The shows were a lot of fun - a very high energy crowd last night, in particular. I learned that the senior news director at VH-1 is a huge America fan and made sure he spent some time with Gerry and Dewey before the show on Wednesday night. He was really excited to meet them. Maybe he'll do a piece on the band!

Maureen, I'm sure you did your very best to gain entry to the show. And hopefully, with all the pressure NY's Supper Club has been receiving from America fans in the last two weeks, they'll be eager to book the band there for a proper gig - who knows?

Best regards,

Karen D.
Oxygen Records

Message: 4668 Posted: Fri Feb 12 11:59:21 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: VH-1 Where Are They Now

Hi folks. Just got back from VH-1 - went over to take a look at the final version of America's segment on the Classic Rock episode of "Where Are They Now" and it is GREAT! Gerry and Dewey look amazing and are charming and fun in the piece. They also promote Human Nature a lot and I think we'll pick up some new fans from this exposure.

Make sure to be watching this piece on VH-1 at 10pm EST on Tuesday, March 2nd.

Best regards,

Karen D.
Oxygen Records

Message: 4667 Posted: Fri Feb 12 11:40:59 1999 By: Jeanmarie Elkins
Subject: Hello from the cookie lady

Hello to the group and to Scott from Mike's cousin. I hope you all enjoyed your Vermont syrup. I wish I could do some baking for all of you when you are in Hershey on March 6. Unfortunately (for you) I'll be in Key West.

Message: 4666 Posted: Fri Feb 12 11:28:17 1999 By: JL
Subject: re: musical pulse

Couldn't agree more with Ol' Leakycanoe's assessment of the music of Michael Tomlinson. I would highly recommend him to all who love the music of America.

Message: 4665 Posted: Fri Feb 12 11:19:22 1999 By: JL
Subject: newest America fan

Congrats, Steve. So, what will be the first America song the little one hears? Any bets?

Message: 4664 Posted: Fri Feb 12 10:40:38 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Newest America Fan

May God Bless you and your family for the new arrival! Hope Mother and Baby are doing splendidly! Congrats!

Message: 4663 Posted: Fri Feb 12 10:35:26 1999 By: nada
Subject: Re: Beckley/Lamm/Wilson

fyi: just about every borders books and music has this CD as a "cut-out" for under $4.00!

Message: 4662 Posted: Fri Feb 12 09:58:48 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Thanks...

... to everyone for their well wishes and for all the electronic greeting cards. My favorite one had a baby with a rattle riding bareback on a horse. The caption said something like, "Whoa Baby! The newest America fan riding the Horse With No Name." I'll have to put a copy of it out for all of you to see. I'll also get photos of the new Bambino posted as soon as I can. Right now the film is still in the camera waiting for a few more pictures to be taken.

Message: 4661 Posted: Fri Feb 12 09:55:21 1999 By: Steve Nelson
Subject: Re: Grandpa Steve

Congrats Steve! Happy for you and your family!

Message: 4660 Posted: Fri Feb 12 09:15:28 1999 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: Grandpa Steve

Congratulations, Grandpa Steve! Everybody tells me that being a grandparent is so much better than being a parent, cuz you can give them back when you get tired of them!!!
Prayers for his health and happy life.
ShariL <><

Message: 4659 Posted: Fri Feb 12 09:02:55 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Newest America Fan

CONGRATULATIONS STEVE!!!! We are all so very happy for you.

Shayne, Renee and the kids.

Message: 4658 Posted: Fri Feb 12 08:11:31 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: To Karen

Hi Karen, How was the show last night? I tried my hardest to get there. I was talking most of yesterday to girl by the name of Tinka, she tried to get me in, but was too over booked. Hope to hear from you soon. Any new HN songs played? See ya....Maureen.

Message: 4657 Posted: Fri Feb 12 08:09:40 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: CONGRATS, Steve

Hi Steve,
Congratulations !!! How are you doing Grandpa?? That might take a little getting use to, right? Well, I have been a little busy, too. Just read the annoucement of your First Grandchild. He came a little eary, huh? Well all my best to you and your family and new addition, can we expect some photos? Take Care and Talk to you soon. Maureen

Message: 4656 Posted: Fri Feb 12 07:08:35 1999 By: janice
Subject: Welcome Trenton Chyenne!

Love that name!! Congrats Steve..! and Steve the reason you don't feel old is that you're can't be a day over..ummm...35! (give or take)..
Joe your 70's Carly Simon (Tapestry)..and had the opportunity (many moons ago) to see James Taylor where Carly made a "guest appearance" and they sang together..(in happier days)..We are having unusually warm weather down today, so going to my son's Valentines party at the way..don't forget your sweeties on Sunday!

Message: 4655 Posted: Fri Feb 12 06:43:11 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: SteveL


Congrats on being a granpa...wishes for a healty and happy life.
Enjoy, it just doesn't get better than this, according to my
father and father-in-law (who just happen to be grandpa's.


Message: 4654 Posted: Fri Feb 12 05:23:20 1999 By: Margaret
Subject: Re: T-Shirts

A "reliable source" told me about Gerry's t-shirt on the Homecoming cover. It appears as a white t-shirt with a red circle on the front. It originally had an S in the circle but was touched up to remove the S. I can't remember what the S represented. Does anyone know? The Corbis photos show the S.

Message: 4653 Posted: Fri Feb 12 02:47:50 1999 By: leakycanoe
Subject: re: musical pulse

....I know I am late jumping in on this one....but other then listening to America favorite artist would be Michael Tomlinson..who by the way lists America as a major influence...check out Michael's web page at Michael is a fan of the acoustic guitar...his CD "At your Home" is an all acoustic a fan of America, particlarly the acoustic stuff...I found "At your home" to be a close second to America's first LP "America"..the other America tie that I find in Michael's music is the imagery in his lyrics that at times can be very Dewey.....

The funny thing that I find myself often doing, is comparing new Artists music with the first two America LP's....those first LP's are,in my mind, two of the best LP's ever recorded....not many artists have been able to match the excellence found on those two LP's.....

Message: 4652 Posted: Fri Feb 12 00:12:44 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: GERRY's version of Crying In My Sleep

Also, MFQ features Henry Diltz, you know AMERICA's premier fotographer who also happens to be a fine muscian.

Message: 4651 Posted: Fri Feb 12 00:09:22 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: GERRY's version of Crying In My Sleep

Crying in My Sleep was originally done by Art Garfunkel on the LP Watermark which is available on CD. Art's work comes highly recommended for all down-to-earth humans out there. I have just about every disc he has ever done. The CD by the Modern Folk Quartet (MFQ) which features GERRY's solo as well as a re-make of DON'T CROSS THE RIVER by MFQ is on Polystar records & tapes, same as GERRY'S solo masterpiece VAN GO GAN. The disc would have to be ordered as a Japanese import & I am not sure how available it actually is, it is from 1995. Just a few thoughts.

Message: 4650 Posted: Thu Feb 11 23:59:13 1999 By: Jimnak
Subject: Re: Newest America Fan

Hey perhaps a foto, perhaps w/mom & grandpa ?

Message: 4649 Posted: Thu Feb 11 23:32:27 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Beckley/Lamm/Wilson

Marshall, overall I would say that the For The Love Of Harry CD is fair. There are some good songs, some bad songs, and one outright crude song that doesn't belong there. However, it was worth it for me to have just for "Without Her" which is excellent. I was lucky enough to pick it up during Mark's fire sale which was announced here a week or two ago. Thanks again Mark!

Message: 4648 Posted: Thu Feb 11 23:29:33 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Newest America Fan

I hope you'll all indulge me for a minute while I burst a few proud buttons .... 19 inch Trenton Chyenne Hall was born at 8:50 pm Mountain Standard Time weighing in at 7 pounds 8 ounces. He's my first grandson and I now have the RIGHT to feel old. Actually, I still feel quite young but I wanted to announce that this newest America Fan recently made his entrance into this life. Both mother and son are doing excellent (and so are grandma and grandpa).

Grandpa SL

Message: 4647 Posted: Thu Feb 11 22:46:47 1999 By: Marshall
Subject: Re: Beckley/Lamm/Wilson

I listened to the BLW audio clip, it sounds pretty good. I did like Harry Nilsson, and had his albums Son of Schmilson and The Point. How is the rest of the album "For the Love of Harry?"

Message: 4646 Posted: Thu Feb 11 22:43:44 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: Favorites

My list .... by decades
70s AMERICA,Eagles,Fleetwoodmac,Doobie Bros. Steely Dan, Folgerberg,Carol King,CARLY SIMON,James Taylor,

80s The Police,Genisis, Van Halen

90s Pearl Jam, and all the ladies Paula,Alanis,Jewel,Sara,

Message: 4645 Posted: Thu Feb 11 22:43:08 1999 By: Jim Griffey
Subject: Re: Clothing Trivia

Back in 1988...the LAST TIME America played Erie I might add...I got to chat briefly with Dewey. He autographed my copy of "Hideaway" and told me that the fur coat he was wearing was one he borrowed from David Cassidy...whom you can see in the group photo.

So hey 'bout another visit to Pennsylvania's third largest city???

Jim...Erie, PA

Message: 4644 Posted: Thu Feb 11 22:27:31 1999 By: EDDY
Subject: Steve L


Message: 4643 Posted: Thu Feb 11 21:49:43 1999 By: Brad
Subject: Re: America Items for sale!!

Stephen Russo has a hand held video camera concert of America in Boston from 96 . The quality is pretty good , I have a copy that I got him awhile back. The concert includes Green Monkey which America has only played once for me in person and I have seen them at least once a year since 1988.

Message: 4642 Posted: Thu Feb 11 20:46:50 1999 By: Joyce Hall
Subject: America Items for sale!!

Hello everybody!! How are you all? Good I hope! Ok listen I get this magazine called GOLDMINE it's a Music collectors magazine & I noticed 2 items for sale regarding America, I am posting this for the serious collectors, Just as a in case your interested post!!-:)---The 1st ad I saw was this guy named Stephen Russo/PO Box150/Boston, MA 02151-0001 & it just say's 70's Superstars--TV/live concert App. America-5 tracks & then other people like the Carpenters, Abba & etc. It does not say what it's from but if you wish you can write to this guy & find out! Now the other thing was Backstage passes of America from san diego show March 11th 1977 & America backstage pass from UCLA March 12th 1977. there going for 7.00 If your interested you can inquire with CHIC-A-BOOM 6817 Melrose Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90038! So there ya go. like I said I thought I would just pass this on in case anyone was interested. Take care now-----:)---JOYCE HALL

Message: 4641 Posted: Thu Feb 11 20:39:28 1999 By: BC
Subject: Clothing Trivia

Alibi - Dewey - Frank Sinatra
Silent Letter - Willie Leacox - Piano Keyboard Shirt
- David Dickey - Chicago
Harbor - Guy eating an apple on the poster (who is he?) - Aerosmith
Hideaway - David Dickey and Willie Leacox are both wearing T-shirts with something on them in the "double exposure", but I can't find my magnifying glass to see what it is
I'm sure there are others that I can't quite see
Most of the albums it appears that Dewey, Gerry, Dan are just wearing typical "American" clothing of the day, which, I suppose, would represent...."America".

Message: 4640 Posted: Thu Feb 11 20:03:04 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Msgs: ShariL, Steve Lowry, & Triv Q.

Oh Shari! or as Steve Perry would say, "Oh Sherry"! I'm here. The work load has been tremendous which, unfortunately, has curtailed my involvement on the board. I've been reading the board but have not been able to contribute much. So often I think to myself: How sad it would be for us fans had Dan, Dewey, and Gerry not formed AMERICA.
Also, how fortunate we are that Dewey and Gerry have chosen to carry on. They have added so much quality to our lives with their wonderful music.

Steve Lowry, congratulations on your new grandson! That's wonderful and best wishes to your daughter. Fans, aren't we blessed to have a great guy like Steve who provides us with this great chat board and site. Thanks Grandpa!!

Here's a trivia question: On AMERICA's albums, there are a number of pictures showing people wearing articles of clothings with the name or picture of musical performers. Name the AMERICA albums, the person wearing the clothing, and the name of the performer/band that the clothing depicts.

Message: 4639 Posted: Thu Feb 11 19:33:19 1999 By: laura
Subject: concert schedule

too late for this year, but it would be nice to see America get involved in future versions of the Woody Guthrie Free Folk Festival in Woody's hometown of Okemah, Oklahoma, to be held every year (hopefully )the weekend following Woody's birthday of July 14th. True, they've only had one & even though it was incredible, I hope & think it will become a bigger & better event each year.(Some good people tentatively scheduled for this year - Jackson Browne, the Kingston Trio, Tom Paxton, Arlo finds it hard to not appear, who knows who else at this point.) Generations of good acoustic folk performers from literally around the world (at least last year), some great jams at the end of each evening involving both legendary folk performers, new guys you've never heard of - all having a great time doing new stuff alongside the true folk classics, recorded messages played throughout the day & night from everyone from Springsteen on down, three days of music, an opportunity to experience the horrendous Oklahoma summer sun, a chance to hang out with Arlo ( that is ALWAYS a good time), plus A TRIBUTE TO A REAL AMERICAN LEGEND. Not much money or prestige involved perhaps, but a chance to take their place in the line of folk history & an opportunity for the true diehard folkies from around the world who gather in this little hole-in-the-wall of a town to see, experience, & appreciate.
Plus - & perhaps most importantly - ;) - it's close to home & I'd get to see them again.

I'll shut up - the Okemah Chamber of Commerce put me up to it (I don't even know if Okemah has a Chamber of Commerce.....)

Message: 4638 Posted: Thu Feb 11 18:44:57 1999 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: Listing of Gerry's touch

Why do I get the feeling that after everybody chips in with all kinds of info, Jim N. will be able to say, "oh you missed...." because I think he knows ALL of them. He's such an America fan, it's scary!
Since Johnny hasn't yet contributed to this question, he must not be logging on yet. Expect to hear from him at any time!
ShariL <><

Message: 4637 Posted: Thu Feb 11 18:41:13 1999 By: Ken
Subject: Re: Beckley/Lamm/Wilson

Doesn't "Hidden Talent" sound like it could be a partner of "without her"?
I like this feel and hope there is a whole CD of it out there at some
point. Funny how no one lists the Beach Boys as music they listen to -
since they and /america have been joined at the hip for much of their careers.
America is also "very california" in their sound.

Message: 4636 Posted: Thu Feb 11 18:07:10 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: See Previous

Capital "B"

Message: 4635 Posted: Thu Feb 11 18:05:40 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Dewey bunnell/Neil Young

Thanks Howard and America Fan for the tidbits! I was THERE (whatever that means) and a lot of folks in my insane circle really thought the debut sounds of America were a Neil Young doing! This is a compliment, if anything, given the respect "everyone" had for Neil at the time. Don't ask me why, it just happened.

Message: 4634 Posted: Thu Feb 11 17:34:32 1999 By: America Fan
Subject: Neil Young/Dewey Bunnell

after reading Howard's last post, more proof of Dewey's sense of humour concerning the Neil Young comparisons:
in the radio "InnerView" recorded autumn 1975, at the beginning introductions to Dewey's individual interview segment, he's rather hyper & runs through several personas before settling down for a somewhat-but-not-quite sane session. I remember him launching into the opening lines from the old "Outer Limits" TV show (..."we're controlling the horozontal, etc."...) & my favourite: "THIS IS NEIL YOUNG!"

Message: 4633 Posted: Thu Feb 11 16:49:33 1999 By: janice
Subject: typo..

Disregard the last line of my post..I swear I did't type that!
Honest... :)

Message: 4632 Posted: Thu Feb 11 16:41:06 1999 By: janice
Subject: re:Steve

Best wishes to you, Janelle and of course your entire family..keep us posted!
Some more favorites popped up..Don Henley..and what about Chris (Wicked Game) Isaac..he was playing at the Half Moon in San Diego when I was there but I couldn't make it..darn..Saw Linda Ronstadt on Leno the other night..hardly recognized her! Lost count how many times I've seen her..and the Eagles.
Nooooo Robyn..don't tell me the Palomino closed..and Howard you brought wilder day memories mentioning the Whiskey! Thanks for the link to Gerry's works..Kermit Unpigged? Didn't someone mention a while back that he did some Chipmunk stuff too? Now that's some stuff for my collection! Robyn..going to be in Orange County on the planning on the Key Club..and Shari..I answered your e-mail about Temecula for the 26th..planning on it..depends on the flights..Delta is NOT always ready when I am..See ya's tonite in the Chat!
thad he ( thanks

Message: 4631 Posted: Thu Feb 11 16:00:53 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Steve L/Grandson

Steve - best wishes to you and your family. May they know of only happiness and health.


Message: 4630 Posted: Thu Feb 11 15:54:13 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Steve L/Grandson

My thoughts are with you, Steve! That little Fan has heard America music for the last nine months. Soon he'll get to hear it more clearly.

Best Wishes,

Terry T

Message: 4629 Posted: Thu Feb 11 15:49:28 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Without Her

Brian, it's interesting that you would mention "Without Her" by Beckley, Lamm, and Wilson. Last night I digitized that song and put a clip from it out on the America Fans web site. I also scanned in the CD cover and put it out there, too. You can see and hear them by following the links in the What's New section of the America Fans home page.

Message: 4628 Posted: Thu Feb 11 15:42:58 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Chat Tonight

As JoanneM mentioned in message 4620, the weekly chat is tonight starting at 9 pm Eastern. You need to have a Java capable browser in order to join in. Once again, it's unlikely that I'll be able to join, but I have a REAL good reason this time (not just that WORK stuff). My daughter's water broke about an hour ago and she is now in the hospital awaiting the arrival of my first grandson. I hope you'll forgive me if I'm more interested in welcoming the newest America Fan into this life rather than chatting! However, I hope that the rest of you will be there. As a topic I would suggest that you continue on with the "Music Pulse" and talk about the other artists that you like to listen to and why. I was going to mention mine but there's a limit on the size of a single message and they wouldn't all fit.

To help you all get there tonight, here's a link to the live chat box.

Message: 4627 Posted: Thu Feb 11 15:36:12 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: 1972 Whiskey AGo-Go Concert

A Funny but true concert tidbit:
On a tape that I have that's a FM broadcast, when the guys
moved from England to Los Angeles, they were playing in L.A.'s
famous Whiskey A Go-Go club and during the concert, somebody from
the audience yelled out "Heart Of Gold"...the guys were shocked at
first (hear whoa's), but took it with a grain of salt and made a joke about it.hl

Message: 4626 Posted: Thu Feb 11 11:34:17 1999 By: Brian
Subject: Re: Beckley/Lamm/Wilson

That CD would be in high demand for all America, Chicago and especially Beach Boy fans. I hope it sees the light of day.

Message: 4625 Posted: Thu Feb 11 11:28:06 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Beckley/Lamm/Wilson

Brian, an lp does exist, but never was realeased at all.
Collecting dust is right. Somebody on the Chicago board on AOL
said Robert Lamm was trying to get it released. Whether its true
or not is something else.

Message: 4624 Posted: Thu Feb 11 11:25:50 1999 By: Brian
Subject: Re: Gerry Projects List

Gerry sings lead on a song( with R. Lamm and Carl Wilson) called "Without Her" from the "Everybody Sings Nilsson" CD which I'm sure everybody's familiar with. Wasn't Gerry, Robert Lamm and Carl Wilson working on a project together. I forgot where I heard that but if true there could be some great stuff just laying around collecting dust. Has anybody else heard that?

Message: 4623 Posted: Thu Feb 11 11:14:05 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Gerry Projects List

Jim and others,
if you go to and put in gerry beckley, it'll
give you a large list of everything he's done. There's alot of
stuff left out too. He also worked on 3 songs with Nelson, which
he did background vocals. excellent.
Some of his stuff:
Simpsons/Sing the blues & Yellow album
Dan Fogelberg/Souvenirs lp
Kyle Vincent CD
Modern Folk Quartet/Highway 70 CD
Chris Christian/Songs: Day Like Today & Man Behind Man
Dan Peek/Songs: Doer of the word & Love was just another word.
(from All things and Doer CD)
Michael Bruce CD/He used to play with Alice Cooper
Jimmy Webb/Angel Heart CD (Song: Angel Heart)
Kermit Unpigged/Plays guitar. doesn't specify what song.
David Cassidy 3 lps/Gettin it on the street, Higher they climb
and From The Heart (title has heart in it).
Middle Aged Crazy movie soundtrack/forgot name of song he sings with
female singer
David Blue/Com'n Back For More gerry, dewey and even dan sing on this.
(david blue was a folk singer in the 70's)

I'm sure there's lots more. Everyone help out.HL

Message: 4622 Posted: Thu Feb 11 10:53:59 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Gerry Beckley Projects

Yup GERRY BECKLEY is a working musician, a man in constant motion. The music is in his DNA you know. He's always working. As in a previous post, I challenge anyone to attempt to put together a list of all his works. They would have to go back to David Cassidy stuff, Dave Mason stuff, the list would be quite large, quite a challenge. Perhaps everyone can contribute.

Message: 4621 Posted: Thu Feb 11 10:51:38 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Janice

The Palimino died a slow lingering death in the late 80's. so, are you going to the Key Club show ?( you might have e-mailed me, sorry, haven't looked yet.)

Message: 4620 Posted: Thu Feb 11 10:21:04 1999 By: JoanneM
Subject: Re:music pulse

Enjoyed reading everyones choice of music (feeding your soul)thats how I feel about music and AMERICA.My picks are Sting,Chicago,Amanda Marshall,Van Halen,Doobie Brothers,Gloria Estefan,Billy Joel my fellow Long Islander,Goo Goo dolls. Hope everyone goes to Chat tonite.JoanneM

Message: 4619 Posted: Thu Feb 11 10:15:17 1999 By: EDDY
Subject: Musical Pulse & Neil Young

Sorry, I forgot one I just bought, the G.Beckley recommended CD: Mitchell Froom- Dopamine (Interesting stuff) also Radiohead-The Bends is great, & as for Neil Young, I think (almost) ALL his stuff is great! SEE YA!

Message: 4618 Posted: Thu Feb 11 09:25:18 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Gerry Beckley Projects

You'd be amazed of how many projects Gerry has worked on, and sounds
great. He's done alot of background work with Tim B. Schmit & Andrew
Gold, which sounds great. Thanks to a great America fan, I got a copy of Gerry singing lead on a song called Crying In My Sleep written by Jimmy Webb. It's on the Modern Folk Quartet (Henry Diltz's group) / Highway 70 CD, which is excellent. Gerry's song is great. This is a Japanese import CD, which is very hard to find. HL

Message: 4617 Posted: Thu Feb 11 09:25:02 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Eagles

That would be great. I had heard that Don Henley's new solo CD would be out in the summer. Perhaps that is what they are refering to.

Today, I have brought Alanis Morrisette's new CD, Billy Joel's THE NYLON CURTAIN and Styx' PARADISE THEATER. It's gonna be a weird day.


P.S. Matt - neat post. Would make a great song title.

Message: 4616 Posted: Thu Feb 11 08:56:35 1999 By: Pete
Subject: Eagles

Just heard on the radio up here in upstate NY that the Eagles are now recording a new CD. That might be some interest to some of you America fans.

Message: 4615 Posted: Thu Feb 11 08:32:58 1999 By: jessica
Subject: a bit of everything

Hi to all! It's been ages since my last post. Good to see that all's well again with our fave place.

Listing my top ten favorites would really be a task so I won't try. No time. Last time I tried, it took me hours and I never even finished my list. However, "1960" is the song that most affects me.

Besides America, I love Semisonic. Everything about their album "Feeling Strangely Fine". I also like the sound of Radiohead eversince I came upon "Creep". A few songs by Suede, Kula S. and Dishwalla. Some tunes by Acoustic Alchemy. "All Mixed Up" by Red House Painters, "One Headlight" by Wallflowers and Dave M. Band. Oh, and the revival "I Will Survive" by Cake. My older favorites will take forever to identify so I won't bother.

There are talks of an America show in Manila later this year, but it's still under negotiations. Nothing confirmed yet. I hope it pushes through so I'll have my 4th show to make the year right!

Can't join the chat but have fun, people! Really miss it and my former chat mates....

Message: 4614 Posted: Thu Feb 11 08:30:46 1999 By: janice
Subject: Musical Pulse

Howard..just saw your post..Gerry did back-ups for Dave Mason?? Are you familiar with the Like You Never Left album..would love to get it on CD..add that to my mission! Buffet is great too..have seen him in concert at the Palomino Club in LA..(is that place still there??)..

Message: 4613 Posted: Thu Feb 11 08:25:04 1999 By: janice
Subject: nice change of pace...

Would like to thank "guardian angel" for introduing the topic of "musical pulse" a few days ago..really opened up some interesting discussions..Welcome B.C! (My 5-year old son has been with me to 3 concerts and loves the America album..knows the words to all the songs!)..seems like many of us are raising a new generation of fans!! Tom T..thanks for the info on he not recording anymore? Such talent! (And I want that second have set me on a mission!) Great insight into Fogleberg's work..have only seen him once..but will be watching for him again..took my kids..they really enjoyed it also! Buckley CD and found it "interesting"..AJ likes it very much and is taking it to his guitar lesson to share with his instructor. (loved your comment about the edge of the seat! Well, my schedule is shaping up to allow for a few concerts this year..starting with the LA stuff at the end of Feb..have 10 days off in April and may be forced to find a beach somewhere in Mexico since my boys visit their dad Easter week in LA..No concerts to go to during the whole time I am off 3/31-4/10! Hmmpphhh! Well...everyone have a great day!..

Message: 4612 Posted: Thu Feb 11 07:59:32 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Musical Pulse

Besides America,
Favs: Poco, Jimmy Buffet, Dave Mason (Gerry did background vocals on
Mariposo De Oro LP/2 tracks), Stevie Ray Vaughn, Beach Boys, Kinks, Dan Fogelberg, John Hyatt, Marshall Crenshaw, Santana, John Denver, Strawbs, David Bromberg, Larry Carlton, that's it for now. I'm sure
there's others. HL

Message: 4611 Posted: Thu Feb 11 02:31:41 1999 By: Adrian
Subject: Hat Trick

Hello everyone,really enjoying Hat Trick at the moment partcularlly on these hot evenings,this recording really fits the bill.Hav'nt been able to post for a spell changed servers and the computer has been constantly freezing.I wonder why capitol records were so disgraceful in their appalling efforts to promote Alibi here was an album with rich potential with two different hit singles in two different countries and not even released in the UK although it did top the import charts.Is there a second single to be released from HN ? If so it's taking a mighty long time,perhaps to strike while the iron is hot and not lose any momentum.Good luck with (your move) Shane. ps have new email address.

Message: 4610 Posted: Thu Feb 11 02:20:44 1999 By: MBluLight
Subject: Re: B.C., Dan Fogelberg and other unrelated topics

The OTHER world tour. coming soon to a world near you.
You can pay for your whole seat, but you're only gonna need the edge


Message: 4609 Posted: Thu Feb 11 00:25:24 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: Re: Janice

Magnolia Bell ,Windows and Walls, Tucson Arizona. great tunes!!!!

Message: 4608 Posted: Thu Feb 11 00:20:55 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: Re: B.C., Dan Fogelberg and other unrelated topics

Shayne we agree on a lot of things ,I absolutely love Fogelberg. I have been to Dallas 4 times in the last 6 mos. Going back may or June.The best rest. was The Chop house in downtown Dallas. Joes Crab house was pretty goood as was Humperdinks. Dallas is a great place to visit but I don't know if I would want to live there......JK

Message: 4607 Posted: Wed Feb 10 23:13:48 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Janice


I misunderstood your question. Yes, Fogelberg's music is definately based on personal experience. Aside from SAME OLD LANG SYNE and LEADER OF THE BAND, his entire EXILES CD is based on his divorce. Furthermore, on the album, THE WILD PLACES, he sings about hs (then current) girlfriend in ANASTASIA'S EYES. I've been a great admirer of his work for about 15 years (I actually bought my first Fogelberg album, SOUVENIRS because someone named Gerry Beckley played guitar on THERE'S A PLACE IN THE WORLD FOR A GAMBLER). I've been fortunate enoughto see him several times in concert, including this past summer at Ravinia (Chicago).


Message: 4606 Posted: Wed Feb 10 23:00:25 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: B.C., Dan Fogelberg and other unrelated topics

Hey B.C. Welcome to the folder. AMERICA is my all time
favorite album also (with or without HORSE). Eventhough I
am excited about my upcoming move to Dallas (where I grew
up), I'm envious of you. I was born in Knoxville and
absolutely love the town.

Janice, Dan Fogelberg's music has always had special meaning to me. After AMERICA, THE INNOCENT AGE by DF is my favorite album. I am especially moved by NETHERLANDS (song and album) and WINDOWS AND WALLS (specifically the song TUCSON, ARIZONA).

Joe - it's nice to see we agree on something.

Matt - if you ever play in Dallas, you got to let me know.



Message: 4605 Posted: Wed Feb 10 21:49:02 1999 By: Brian
Subject: Re: CSN&Y

I think Neil Young is a great artist before "Gold Rush" and after. I agree with you about Dewey not sounding like Neil on "Horse". I think Neil had such a unique sound (like Dewey) that there wer comparisons. I think Neil is better solo and CSN is beter without Y. Just my opinion.

Message: 4604 Posted: Wed Feb 10 20:53:39 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: Re: Horse, Heart of Gold, and Another Song

I agree ! Dewey sounds nothing like Neil. I still don't here it when I listen to Horse Joe

Message: 4603 Posted: Wed Feb 10 20:51:48 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: Neil Young

A southern man don't need him around anyhow JK

Message: 4602 Posted: Wed Feb 10 20:49:55 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: Re: CSN&Y

Hey shayne we can agree on that! After Gold Rush I have little use for Neil Young!!!

Message: 4601 Posted: Wed Feb 10 20:17:31 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: B.C.

Thanks for the courage to join this crazy bunch! I like everything you said and can also say you will NOT be dissapointed in May. I agree with you about the acoustic stuff. Thanks for your input, and God Bless America!


Message: 4600 Posted: Wed Feb 10 20:10:51 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Whew

I am fascinated by Tom's knowledge of stuff. I like The Little River Band a lot! You should charge for the stuff you know...this is NOT sarcastic.

Message: 4599 Posted: Wed Feb 10 20:10:50 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Whew

I am fascinated by Tom's knowledge of stuff. I like The Little River Band a lot! You should charge for the stuff you know...this is NOT sarcastic.

Message: 4598 Posted: Wed Feb 10 19:59:52 1999 By: B.C.
Subject: Re: Musical Pulse

Been "watching" this folder for some time, but never posted before. (A new experience for me!) "America" was the first album I ever bought. Loved it! Have been a true America fan ever since. My wife thinks I'm obcessed. Learned to play guitar on America songs. Still play (once in a while). When I'm not listening to America I listen to CSN (forget the Y), Beatles (Rubber Soul, Revolver, Abbey Road), Carol King, Dan Fogelberg...and yes, Fogelberg's "Leader of the Band" and "Same Old Lang Syne" are from personal experiences. On the Dan Fogelberg "Portrait" boxed set, he comments about both songs. "Leader" is for his dad who had been a band leader (big bands). He also comments that the experience in "Same Old Lang Syne" actually happened.

Back to America....Think HN is great. My daughter loves FAMT and Oloololo. Her favorite song of all time is "You Can Do Magic" from the Hourglass CD. I think she relates well to it. You see, at age 8, she can hypnotize with her eyes and she can have anything that she desires! Not much about America that I dislike. Their first album is my favorite album of any artist of all time. Loved how they would sing a little and then "jam" acoustically. Wish they would put out another "unplugged" album.

I live in Knoxville, TN and plan to go to the America concert May 20. Never got to see them in concert before, so I am excited that they are coming here.

Have enjoyed the recent posts on the "best" and the "worst"....some of them make me laugh out loud! Opinions are great, aren't they? Everyone seems to have at least one.......and everyone is entitled to theirs! That's what makes America (the country) great! I love our first amendment rights! I love America (the group). Long live America!


Message: 4597 Posted: Wed Feb 10 19:27:13 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: Whew...

Hi Janice! Terrence Boylan (Brother of Well- Known Record producer John Boylan-He Produced the First BOSTON LP/ and Little River Band Before Sir George did) as far as I know released a second album after the "Shake It"/"Don't Hang Up...". Do you remember Ian Matthews cover version of "Shake It"? It peaked at #13 in January,1979. Terrence Boylan's Debut LP is really great- Thanks for reminding me of it!

Message: 4596 Posted: Wed Feb 10 17:29:54 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: CSN&Y

Bad Boy, forgot to use the official characters of the sarcasm symbol (whatever they are) regarding America's influence on CSN & Y! No, Johnny, I don't remember that song. Hum a few bars for us. Looking back, maybe it was the acoustic sound of Squeal Young's GOLDEN HEART (lol) that was more similar to HORSE than the voices, and we all just put 2 and 2 together, assuming it was Neil. I agree with the consistency thing about Dewey's music, Mark. CSN originally wanted to call themselves America, but the name was already taken. That's why Dewey wrote HORSE WITH NO NAME, as a message to the newly formed CSN. Later, Neil named his band Crazy Horse because it made him crazy thinking about what a good name America was. I read this in "Memoirs of a Rock Expert".

sarcasm symbol > ;)

Message: 4595 Posted: Wed Feb 10 17:03:15 1999 By: janice
Subject: Re: Musical Pulse you think any of Fogelberg's songs are personal experience?.Thinking primarily of Leader of the Band and Same Old Lang personal favorite is Missing You..Neil Young had some his best songs (in my personal opinion) on After the Gold Rush..any Dave Mason Fans? (It's Like You Never Left album)..personal favorite is Maybe...

Message: 4594 Posted: Wed Feb 10 16:36:49 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Horse, Heart of Gold, and Another Song

I never thought Dewey sounded like Neil Young while singing "Horse".
I do remember well when "Horse" was a hit, "Gold Of Heart" was too. I think of a third song back then that was constantly played along with those two; it was by J J Cale, called "Crazy Mama (Where You Been So Long)" Ring anyone's bell?

Message: 4593 Posted: Wed Feb 10 16:18:35 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: CSN&Y

Yeah, I like some of Neil Young's stuff and can't stand some of it. Dewey's work is more consistent than Young's. Plus Dewey is a MUCH better singer.

Message: 4592 Posted: Wed Feb 10 15:28:27 1999 By: Connie
Subject: re: musical pulse

I like listening to Brent Bourgeois' solo album, "come join the living world".

Sorry to change the subject, but does anyone else hear a creaking/croaking sound on the song "Hope"? I thought it was my copy of the CD, so I bought another one, but I still hear it. I guess it's supposed to be there, but it sounds odd to me.

Message: 4591 Posted: Wed Feb 10 14:37:42 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: CSN&Y

Y'know it's funny. I never really liked "Horse With No Name", but I always liked "Heart of Gold". But on the flip side, I've loved the majority of Dewey's work since and very little of Neil Young's.


Message: 4590 Posted: Wed Feb 10 13:43:51 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: musical pulse

My muscial tastes tend to be limited by the size of my CD box;) I mainly stick with the music I grew up with, the classics, America, Dan Peek, Raspberries, BTO, TDN, Edgar Winter Group, Uriah Heep, Bob Segar, Eagles, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, John Denver, and a little known group that was strongly influenced by America called CSN&Y. As far as 90's artist, about the only ones I have really gotten into is Peace and Gerry Beckley (Van Go Gan).

Message: 4589 Posted: Wed Feb 10 13:33:19 1999 By: MBluLight
Subject: Re: musical pulse

oh yeah, and Jimmy's Chicken Shack. they're really good too.


Message: 4588 Posted: Wed Feb 10 13:31:58 1999 By: MBluLight
Subject: Re: musical pulse

listening to: Jeff Buckley, Kara's Flowers, lots of Radiohead, the RandyNewman Box Set (great), old America, Revolver (beatles), Kula Shakir (great), and Pet Sounds, Oh yeah, and ASH. They're great too. personally don't care for horse much, but maybe because i've heard it so much. roomate's love it. i personally go for 3 Roses.
everyone takecare

Message: 4587 Posted: Wed Feb 10 10:42:00 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: musical pulse

Today, I am listening to "The Innocent Age" by Dan Fogelberg. I brought "Time" by ELO and "Aja" by Steely Dan with me (if I have the time).


Message: 4586 Posted: Wed Feb 10 10:32:07 1999 By: EDDY
Subject: Re: musical pulse

The disc's I've been spinning are: Beatles-Revolver, The John Lennon Anthology, Mozart-The Four Horn Concertos/Concert Rondeau, Frank Zappa-Broadway The Hard Way, Van Morrison-Wavelength, Aimee Mann-I'm with Stupid. I listen to all kinds of stuff. Growing up, I hungout(& worked) in a store that deals w/collectors records, books, & 15 rooms of other collectibles, it was a great childhood experience to be able to listen to anything & everything, well, thats it I guess, Take Care fellow AMERICA FANS!

Message: 4585 Posted: Wed Feb 10 09:21:40 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Shayne

Joe -
I think you are wrong. "Horse" and "Ventura" being their first big hits is not reason enough to like the songs. I certainly respect what the songs have meant to the group professionally, but they still are not among my favorite songs.

To say that I am not a true fan of the band because I don't like those songs is just plain silly. I'm sorry we disagree on this subject. That's just my opinion.


Message: 4584 Posted: Wed Feb 10 06:26:30 1999 By: janice
Subject: Whew...

JL and Andrew..with the exception of Dylan, of course, I have never heard of any of the artists you mentioned. When did it happen that I went from knowing every artist and lyric on the radio to feeling like there are only a few stations that still play "my music"..Gosh..I don't feel old..Gerry and Dewey are the same age as my (much) older brother..oh well..Tom are the only person I know of who also knows who Terance Boylan is..has he done anything since the album that contains "Don't Hang Up Dancin' Shoes"..?

Message: 4583 Posted: Wed Feb 10 00:31:27 1999 By: Andrew
Subject: "musical pulse" etc...

As for me, America is a stark exception to most of my musical tastes, as I tend to listen to the more raw, finger-picking acoustic sounds of, say, Mississippi John Hurt, Etta Baker and Elizabeth Cotten -- or the more political, such as vintage Dylan, Phil Ochs or the more up-to-date stuff of Cosy Sheridan, among others. David Wilcox, Si Kahn, John McCutcheon, Andrew Calhoun, Erin Corday and Sons of the Never Wrong are just a few I listen to when I don't have America playing...

Message: 4582 Posted: Tue Feb 09 23:46:58 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: Shayne

NO shayne I wasn't kidding. If" Horse" isnt a hit then" Ventura Hwy" doesn't become a hit or" Lonely people" or" Sister Golden Hair!!!! Those songs were the begining Of a lot of great music. For an America Fan to say that he doesn't like A Horse with no Name or Ventura Hwy is unbelievable. Thats just my opinion... i could be wrong JK

Message: 4581 Posted: Tue Feb 09 23:42:49 1999 By: Carol
Subject: Heard Another Song!!

This must be my lucky month. Last week I heard "Wheels" while shopping and today while eating at Arby's, I heard "From A Moving Train" on their music track. I told my son that was America singing. He said who's America? (Like he's never heard their music before!) Before I could answer, my husbands speaks up and says America is a band and one of the guys in it wears tight white pants!!!! I guess he remembers me telling him this YEARS ago after seeing the guys in concert. Can't believe he said that! Anyway, just thought I'd share.


Message: 4580 Posted: Tue Feb 09 22:37:41 1999 By: JL
Subject: Re: musical pulse

Other than HN, on the player lately has been Michael Tomlinson, Great Big Sea, Juluka, Hemingway Corner and Big Mountain.

Message: 4579 Posted: Tue Feb 09 19:40:49 1999 By: Brian
Subject: Re: Jeff Larson's Watercolor Sky

You can get it through Thoughtscape or New-Surf. I think New-Surf might be cheeper.

Message: 4578 Posted: Tue Feb 09 19:10:45 1999 By: Brian
Subject: Re: Jeff Larson's Watercolor Sky

That was a great interview. Thanks for posting that. I wonder what song he was planing to cover. I've posted before about how good this CD is. Every track, in my opinion is great. Very generous of Gerry to let him have "Annabelle", such a good song. Jeffery Foskett, the most underated voice in the business adds some great harmony parts. I drove down the coast of California with this as background music. It was the most enjoyable drive I ever took. Great scenery and music. There is a song on there called "Touch of June" that sounds as if it were influenced by Beckley. "King of Summer" (Brian Wilson)and "Coast"are another good ones. The times I've mention this CD before no one responed so I thought I was the only one who had it. It's worth getting if only for Gerry's "Annabelle".

Message: 4577 Posted: Tue Feb 09 19:10:15 1999 By: laura
Subject: make that both hardet AND harder

geez! can't win for losing

Message: 4576 Posted: Tue Feb 09 19:08:12 1999 By: laura
Subject: ;)

;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) - I'll try to remember......
being misunderstood is hardet than death AND taxes! ;)

Message: 4575 Posted: Tue Feb 09 18:55:07 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Everything!

right you are Shari how about ;) when we are being our sarcastic selves? anyone else with a suggestion?

Message: 4574 Posted: Tue Feb 09 18:52:49 1999 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: Everything!

After a few quiet days, the chat folder has been rockin!
All discussion is fun and interesting, but since there tends to be a lot of sarcasm, which doesn't come through in the written word, we need to come up with a recognizable symbol for it. Then people don't need to get uptight unnecissarily.
ANXIOUSLY waiting for Temecula on the 26th. Looking forward to seeing Jim again, and meeting Virginia and hubby and leakycanoe and wife. And maybe Matt?
This should be a great year, as the guys should also be playing in San Diego sometime later this year. (Now if I could just convince my husband that Sparks is a good place to be in July.)
Take care, everyone.
ShariL <><

Message: 4573 Posted: Tue Feb 09 18:51:05 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: musical pulse

no, but I will try to find them on your say Tom, thanks!

Message: 4572 Posted: Tue Feb 09 18:38:48 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: musical pulse

Wow-Jimmy Spherris, Terrence Boylan,those are two names that cojure up some of those 8-Track memories. How about Richard Torance("Rio De Janiero Blue")? He's Jean's (Of Jan & Dean Fame) brother. Actually I've been in a real Prog-Rock frame of mind. I've been heavily into anything by Gentle Giant, Yes, Rush, Starcastle, The Strawbs (AMERICA Fans might dig them- very folk & poetic), I'm also really into Ann & Nancy Wilson (Heart/ Lovemongers), Joni Mitchell, And then the POWER-POP thing is really getting my motor running! (Raspberries/ Off Broadway/ Cheap Trick....) Yes Friends I LOVE MUSIC!!!! Excuse me while I go put "Silent Letter" on my CD Player....Great Discussion....Thanx Terry, Robyn, Johnny ,Howard, Kevin S, and Mark and anyone else who digs this Chat Folder..gotta go..Robyn, bye the way have you ever heard October Project? They are phenomenol! Poetic, atmospheric and beautiful. They have 2 CD's out- check them might dig them. BuhBye TeeTee

Message: 4571 Posted: Tue Feb 09 18:28:27 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: In defense


Message: 4570 Posted: Tue Feb 09 18:03:42 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: Virginia

Actually, I'm leaving right now. Have to come back tonight for a board of trustee meeting (how does one type a Bronx cheer?). Rain here, too, all day. When did I turn into such a weather-weenie! I'm from Colorado! Walked to school in the snow wearing three pairs of tights, uphill in both directions. Gotta go.

Message: 4569 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:57:26 1999 By: janice
Subject: Re:Musical pulse

Another favorite...Terance Boylan..circa 1977!! Great stuff.

Message: 4568 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:54:27 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Virginia

so you're not working either (lol) it is raining like crazy and I can't get my mind on anything. Lucky you you can listen to music. I have to listen in my memory!

Message: 4567 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:49:35 1999 By: laura
Subject: musical pulse

Jimmie Spheeris' "the Dragon is Dancing" from around 1975 or so. I'd forgotten how beautiful it is.

Message: 4566 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:43:28 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: musical pulse

As long as I'm not working, I may as well KEEP not working. My desk is in an area where I can play music softly and not disturb anyone else, so I bring CDs in everyday. Today, besides HN, Hat Trick, and the King Biscuit In Concert, I have Gordon Lightfoot's Gord's Gold vol 1, Jim Croce's Greatest Hits, and Vivaldi: The Four Seasons (which is what is on right now).
Thanks to C Clark for the Jeff Larson comment. I'm looking forward to listening to this CD.

Message: 4565 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:43:18 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Chat.

And I actually like Hidden Talent, and nothing you can say will sway me, KevinS!

Message: 4564 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:33:43 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: ....

I am really looking forward to the show here in town. I am going with the friend who went to the first America show I saw, back in '73. She said the room is rather small, so it should be a neat show. It has been a long time since I have been out without either my dh or my dd! I won't know how to act (just kidding) my dd is bummed that she can't go. She is only 11 and you have to be 18 to get in. Hope to pick her up something at the show, she has become a real fan.

Message: 4563 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:32:26 1999 By: janice
Subject: Re:Jeff Larsen Watercolor Sky..etc..etc...

Ordered Watercolor Sky recently..can't wait to get it.! My new wheels has CD player.(told you I was behind technologically)..and I've been adding lots of stuff..rather retro in my tastes..and I love to pick up "the best of".by so and so..In response to curious george's question..Tom Petty..Phil Collins..Dan Fogelberg..early Beatles..Credence...Doobies..early Clapton (as in Cream) more thing I wanted to share..I don't go into chat rooms very often..but I did find a real fun one for those who have the "Member" section of Arts and Entertainment...they play Classic Lyric trivia..Lots of fun! Gotta be quick..and know your stuff..yes..and some America lyrics pop up too! You can either match the artist with the lyrics or vice-versa..definitely a way to pass some time in a non-threatening room where everyone in there just has the love of classic music in common!

Message: 4562 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:27:14 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: ....

Boy, do I wish...! I committed to the Temecula show prior to the schedule being posted, otherwise I would have opted for Stockton &/or San Ramon. Much closer to the SF Bay area where I live. But we'll be visiting friends in Hemet, so that makes the trip that much better(ha!like it could get better!). Can't convince my husband to play groupie with me and follow the bus north to Stockton! He likes the music, but I wouldn't call him a fan. Sigh....

Message: 4561 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:25:50 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: Chat.

I think it's been fun discussing what we like and don't like about America. I've been a fan so long that nothing's going to sway me away from them. I can't imagine anyone visiting this site who is so vulerable in their opinon of the group that they'd be swayed about a negative comment about a certain song. I will say that it's impossible for me at least to pick a best America song, or even the 25 best America songs. But, yes, they do have a worst song. It's called Hidden Talent. That's not just my opinion. I actually hooked the song up to a Crap-O-Meter here at the lab and it scored a perfect 10. You can't argue with technology.


For those of you who couldn't tell, that was sarcasm.

Message: 4560 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:17:46 1999 By: Robyn Peshek
Subject: Re: musical pulse

Miss Bonnie Raitt, The Bonnie Raitt colloection ( assuming we can discount the music I am force to endure as the mother of an eleven year old!!!!)
Good question BTW

Message: 4559 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:16:00 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: ....

I'm with you, Virginia. Are you going to be at the Key Room gig in Los Angeles? Would love to meet you in person if you are.

Message: 4558 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:15:09 1999 By: C. Clark
Subject: Re: Jeff Larson's Watercolor Sky

Thoughtscape's the place. I love this CD. A perfect companion to Human Nature.

Message: 4557 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:14:03 1999 By: curious george
Subject: musical pulse

looks like it might be time for a new direction for just a while, OK?
curious to see where else your heads are at these days. what's the last bit of non-america music you listened to? that is, actively selected, not happened upon?

i'll start - vintage beetles

Message: 4556 Posted: Tue Feb 09 17:12:58 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: ....

No one riled here-I'm assuming that Mark was trying, at least in part, to be funny. It's difficult to "read" people when all you can do is READ their comments- no expressions, no inflections, etc. Let's move on...

Message: 4555 Posted: Tue Feb 09 16:58:35 1999 By: ......
Subject: ....

Gosh, y'all are cute when you're riled.

Message: 4554 Posted: Tue Feb 09 16:46:51 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: In defense

Enjoy your dinner!

Message: 4553 Posted: Tue Feb 09 16:21:38 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: In defense

geez Mark, if you can't stand the heat- GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN!!!! You should know by now, that most of the posts here have tongue firmly planted in cheek ( hence, my "weak sisters" crack, ever the Editor, I could not resist)CALM DOWN< YOU WILL BURST A BLOOD VESSEL OR SOMETHING!! The recent debate was just a discussion among friends THAT'S ALL. nuff said? can we change the subject now, please?????

Message: 4552 Posted: Tue Feb 09 16:07:03 1999 By: Mark
Subject: In defense

I can’t keep silent any longer. First we’re criticized for using an insensitive and politically incorrect term like weak sisters, then we’re blasted for wanting to list the best and worst! Hey, we’re men! Being insensitive is what we do! Get used to it! And as far as wanting to list the best and worst, it’s called the competitive spirit! So I don’t want to hear anything like “they’re all the same” or “it’s too hard to pick the best one.” America has a best song, that would be the WINNER, and they have a worst song, that would be the LOSER! If you can’t tell which one is which, just ask me and I’ll tell you. If you disagree with me fine, just say so. Then I’ll tell you why you’re wrong. If you still disagree, then maybe we can just take it outside and find out who’s right the old fashioned way! ARRRGGHH! I think I’ll go out and eat some undercooked hamburger now!!!!

Message: 4551 Posted: Tue Feb 09 15:59:09 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: Jeff Larson's Watercolor Sky

Too impatient to wait for an answer, so I went to the Thoughtscape website and ordered "Watercolor Sky". I talked to a woman named Terri who RAVED about the CD and Jeff in general. I remember going to Jeff's website but had trouble with the sound clips back then. Time to try again. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who already owns this CD.

Message: 4550 Posted: Tue Feb 09 15:42:10 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: Jeff Larson's Watercolor Sky

Great article. I had been tempted to order this CD when it was first mentioned in the chat folder and never followed through. Can anyone tell me if it is available through Thoughtscape? I can't remember.

Message: 4549 Posted: Tue Feb 09 15:15:41 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Jeff Larson's Watercolor Sky

Many of you are already familiar with Jeff Larson's Watercolor Sky CD which was released last year. It features the song "Annabelle" which was written and co-produced by Gerry Beckley. There is a great article by John Holcomb on The Pop Life Magazine web page which talks about Watercolor Sky. It mentions the influence that both America and The Beach Boys had on Jeff and his songs. It also explains how he got "Annabelle" from Gerry. It's very well worth reading. Congratulations Jeff!

By the way, you can follow this link to see the track list for Watercolor Sky along with sound clips from all the tracks.

Message: 4548 Posted: Tue Feb 09 13:21:14 1999 By: JL
Subject: Dewey's lyrics

The recent discussion of One Morning (one of my 10 favs BTW) jarred a memory. I remember when Dan came to Vancouver on his All Things Are POssible tour ('78?). He did a local radio program called "Discumentary" on America. When asked what some of Dewey's lyrics meant, he said something to the effect "I dunno, I think he just likes how certain words sound." Would explain all of those references to "purple". Cool word.

another John

Message: 4547 Posted: Tue Feb 09 13:17:41 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: ...

Pigeon Song is awesome (copyright 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 KevinSutton)


Message: 4546 Posted: Tue Feb 09 13:13:17 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Deweys song to Dan, etc.

You are so right in your last comment Virginia. Our opinions are our strength as fans ( dare I say, it's what makes it a "Horse" race?)

Message: 4545 Posted: Tue Feb 09 13:05:40 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: Deweys song to Dan, etc.

This is what I really enjoy about this chat folder. Joanne's interpretation of Dewey's lyrics is something that had never occurred to me. Looking at the words, I can certainly see where one might think that he was speaking to Dan (why did I never see that?). Short of Dewey posting an answer himself, there is no way of knowing the meaning of his lyrics. I have always felt that lyrics, like poetry, are open to interpretation. If it feels to you that "One Morning" was for Dan-why not? It gives the song a special meaning to you.
On yesterday's discussions regarding least favorite songs, I must say I had a great time floating in and out throughout the day reading the lists and comments. America fans are certainly a passionate lot with strong opinions. If would be interesting to analyse favorites and least favs based on age and gender to see if there were any trends. Like Laura, I put together a list, then threw it away. In the end, what does it all matter other that a topic for discussion? My least favorite song is bound to be someone else's favorite. I just never felt like posting the list-and there really weren't many songs. The discussions were fun to read, however, and really helped me get to "know" better the more vocal of you all out there. If we were all ever in the same room, can you imagine how interesting that would be?
To Shayne: "Horse With No Name" isn't even in my top 20. I feel a certain nostalgia for it, but that's it. There, I said it! I do love "Ventura Highway", though.
To Joe K: Shayne and I are fans regardless. I wasn't aware that there was certain criteria for being a fan.

Message: 4544 Posted: Tue Feb 09 13:03:46 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: "Weak Links"

Tom T, I personally choose not to list "weak links" but I do enjoy reading the thoughts of others. I don't find any harm in doing it. It's all just for fun anyway. It's not like it's going to affect the success of the next release or something like that. To me, it's no harm, no foul. My favorite may be your least favorite. I can understand how it may be offensive to some fans but it's not to me. So, as far as I'm concerned, rock on!

Message: 4543 Posted: Tue Feb 09 12:30:16 1999 By: HealthGuru
Subject: ...

good for the soul (copyright 1998,1999 Guru_de_Health.INC)


Message: 4542 Posted: Tue Feb 09 12:19:15 1999 By: laura
Subject: Robyn

yep, definitely....if you read back about 4 of my postings ago, that was DEFINITELY the last & final one......

Message: 4541 Posted: Tue Feb 09 11:57:04 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: battle of the band/Different opinions are not a war

Tom, don't ask me. I don't even know what you mean by "the discussion of weak links." It's a good play name, though.


Message: 4540 Posted: Tue Feb 09 11:33:32 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Laura

I hope you are kidding about not posting again:0)

Message: 4539 Posted: Tue Feb 09 11:21:44 1999 By: laura
Subject: Dew to Dan

I've ALWAYS felt that way too ,Joanne.

(I DID mean it - I'll never post again, I'll never post again......
but first...)

Message: 4538 Posted: Tue Feb 09 11:16:24 1999 By: JoanneM
Subject: Deweys song to Dan?

Just had to ask if anyone feels the same way I do about One Morning from (Silent Letter)I just recently purchased it on C.D. I remember when it was first released(1979),I felt it was to Dan,I was just wondering if anyone feels the same about it.Please post your views.I dont know if anyone has posted this before,I'm new to the chat folder.America Forever.Joanne M

Message: 4537 Posted: Tue Feb 09 11:12:28 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: battle of the band/Different opinions are not a war

Thank you...Thank You ...Thank You!!! To Howard, Robyn, Laura..Thanks for the freedom, respect and Maturity!!! THAT's the point I was trying to make! I Feel so much better now, I guess I'll go put on "Your Move" and listen with a "Grown-up" heartfelt apology!!!LOL Sarcasm is Good For The Soul....sometimes! Keep on Smiling-TeeTee

Message: 4536 Posted: Tue Feb 09 11:09:25 1999 By: laura
Subject: thanks TomT

(I promise to get back to that I'll never post again vow in just a sec)
also, sorry for the double postings - it's going to be that kind of day, I'm afraid.
Tom, if you knew me, you'd see the humour in this. From like birth on, I've been accused of being incredibly negative, drawn to the romantic lure of the dark, the depressive, the negative, the empty half of the glass, etc. etc. etc. I of course have never seen it that way, & prefer to think of myself as merely realistic. If you're going to give one side in anything its due, you must give at least some sort of attention to the other. You must respect all sides to have any respect for any one side. Now I will never understand what has happened today - but it is most bizarre. To be clumped in with the likes of do-gooders, Pollyannas, Stepford Wives & the like, has me truly, personally appalled -- but all those people in my life who have made a career out of needlessly worrying about me, they would see this as nothing short of a huge triumph.
I will print your post out & keep it as proof that at least once in my life, I've been accused of only wanting to look at the bright side.
thanks - SINCERELY, Laura

Message: 4535 Posted: Tue Feb 09 10:57:19 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: battle of the band/Different opinions are not a war

it was harder to narrow their catalog down to my ten all time favs vs. the one or two weak links, that weren't really all that weak. (let's face it, I would rather listen to some of their "weak" stuff than the "hits" of some other bands! As for this particular discussion, I see nothing wrong with it. I feel that it is healthy to be honest and interesting to discuss our differences. Thanks to all who commented.

Message: 4534 Posted: Tue Feb 09 10:46:28 1999 By: laura
Subject: Tom T, I love ya man

like I said, my kingdom for the delete button....I didn't mean to come off so negative, much less to piss anyone off. I tried to inject a little bit of humour in my awe of how do you do it, I just can't, no biggie, I KNOW you're one of the good guys, I try to be, don't take it wrong, I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry
I'll never post again I'll never post again I'll never post again I'll never post again I'll never post again I.....forgive me

Message: 4533 Posted: Tue Feb 09 10:44:59 1999 By: Howard l
Subject: Tom T.

Tom, there's nothing wrong with you at all. So there are songs that
just don't tickle our fancies. If you noticed I didn't name any
weak songs or songs that I hate. I listen to and like everything America has done...period. I try to listen certain songs with a different approach every time. Being into music for so many years
(with the addition of being a guitarist), we all know how hard it is
to write music, especially hit songs..period! Being under the pressure
of record companies to write hit songs whether it was the 70's 80's
and 90's, you're forced with deadlines to have so many songs ready for
an LP, which we all know is not fun. So many of these songs just might
fall into this category which are so called weak links. So join the world of not-so-perfect! We know the guys are trying their hardest
to write some of the best darn music for their fans. And we really
appreciate it 100%!!!

One important factor is...

Message: 4532 Posted: Tue Feb 09 10:43:58 1999 By: laura
Subject: Tom T, I love ya man

like I said, my kingdom for the delete button....I didn't mean to come off so negative, much less to piss anyone off. I tried to inject a little bit of humour in my awe of how do you do it, I just can't, no biggie, I KNOW you're one of the good guys, I try to be, don't take it wrong, I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry
I'll never post again I'll never post again I'll never post again I'll never post again I'll never post again I.....forgive me

Message: 4531 Posted: Tue Feb 09 10:27:56 1999 By: ?
Subject: Re: battle of the band/Different opinions are not a war

You all sound like kids in grade school fighting.

Message: 4530 Posted: Tue Feb 09 10:22:29 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: battle of the band/Different opinions are not a war

Wow- what a trip...I need some clarification. Is This Chat Folder ONLY for upbeat, goody-goody,sugar & spice, Stepford Wife declarations of happy happy joy joy? I guess I was out of line- Sorry! Never again will I speak of things remotely negative about Gerry & Dewey! Sheeeesh! Now I see why people are so touchy-feeley in this Chat Folder! Seriously...Was there truly something evil about the discussion of the "weak links"? Please give me a clue- this IS sincere!!! How about it Johnny, TerryT, Howard, Robyn, Shayne, Kevin S.,Maureen, Karen D., anybody????

Message: 4529 Posted: Tue Feb 09 10:08:50 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: Weak Links

Hey.."LISTEN WITH YOUR HEART"- lighten up and start thinking with your head. Go back to # 4483 and you'll see that the discussion related to what are termed as WEAK Songs- NOT Crappy ones! Personally I felt it was stimulating to see opinions, insights and HONESTY. There wasn't anything negative involved except that people were expressing themselves in a mature, open-minded forum. It's these picky-picky moments that really tick me off in this Chat Folder. Like other folks, Dewey & Gerry included,I am not perfect, nor is the world perfect, but anyone who checks this chat folder out knows how much I Admire AMERICA! I wouln't have seen them in concert over 20 times, I wouldn't support their career by purchasing everything they've done, or I would check this website out on a daily basis. How's that for Picky-picky. Phew- Sorry Friends I HAD to get that off my chest.......Hey TERRYT....Thanks for the awesome review of the show! Aren't they the nicest show-biz celebrities you've ever met? They really DO care about their Fans. How about this STIMULATING QUESTION???? Of all the AMERICA TOURS & SHOWS, Which one stands out in your minds as your favorite(S)? As previously stated (see #4483)- please nothing too negative since it seems to ruffle a few feathers out there; however, unbiased honesty and reflection IS encouraged!

Message: 4528 Posted: Tue Feb 09 10:04:48 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: RS807

R U N N I N G to buy this. Thanks, Laura!!

Karen D.

Message: 4527 Posted: Tue Feb 09 10:02:26 1999 By: laura
Subject: my kingdom for the delete button

maybe apologies are in order, don't let me mess with your fun & soul searching, I'll just be a conscientious objector on the weak links front....& maybe I'll Peek in on you later, OK?

Message: 4526 Posted: Tue Feb 09 10:00:16 1999 By: laura
Subject: battle of the band

OK, I'm not done yet after all. Worst-of? WORST-OF? calm down, back up.....

Normally, I have access & can only check up on you guys twice weekly at my T/Th work location (& then ONLY when my unusually high career dedication momentarily lags). I've been doing this for several months now, only recently have begun (& FEARFULLY so) commenting myself.
This leads to my current confusion --- I've noticed the tendency often enough in the past but especially this last week: when I left you Thurs. p.m, everyone was busy compiling best-ofs.... best Gerry songs, best Dewey songs, best Dan, best of each album, best font used in best liner notes, etc. etc. etc. BOGGLED MY MIND. Then on Saturday, I get to feeling especially ambitious job-wise (i.e: time & a half) - & in that one split second of less-than-complete-dedication, I pop in & do the check-up thing & now everyone's moved on to the BEST 10 SONGS E V E R. Geez! Do you feel the dangerous escalation here? I didn't & foolishly got swept up in it. Had I known that today, today I'd see worst-of lists, I'd have just slit the ol' wrists right then & there.(See, those Pigeon Song cracks really got to me.)
WORST-OF? You have no one to blame but yourselves for the following tirade: Now you HAVE to hear about the rest of my weekend.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not totally blind. It IS really very interesting & revealing - I do like the sharing of different viewpoints & opinions & I can even see (in theory) how it might help one define & focus, blah, blah, blah.... but mostly I began to feel even more alien than usual - BUT an alien armed with a mission, desperate to fit in. Buck up, Laura, you can do this. This best-of, competetive, cut-throat list thing. EVERYONE ELSE CAN.
I go home & aided by the particularly lovely combo of pathetic social life & too much non-drowsy formula clogging the veins, I pull out all the CDs, scrounge up a legal pad, sharpen the pencil, bribe the pets into silence - & get down to the matter at hand.

It was horrible, HORRIBLE. I felt just like Meryl Streep in "Sophie's Choice" -- choosing one beloved over another....BUT she only had to do it once - & then got an Oscar for her efforts! All I got was agony & guilt. The few (VERY FEW) songs I've never really cared for (I REFUSE to call them weak sisters, ouch.)-- I start feeling sorry for them. MUST be my fault - MY interpretation must be what's lacking.
Insane. I was absolutely insane. And insane evidently leads to stubborn, mean & ruthless -- 'coz I DID get my list. Oh yes indeedy! I'm not proud - & it did get rather ugly. About the time I decided that ties were not to be allowed, I found myself surrounded by pretty boys going down for the count.... WHEW!
What can I say, I'm in awe of the rest of you. How do you do it? I feel truly humbled in your presence....just thought you should know.

and my list?...Well, I've slept since then, & I gotta tell ya, my list SUCKS. Big Time. I don't even buy it!

The actual list doesn't even matter though. It became yet another lesson in the Journey being more important than the Destination. I DID learn a lot. You carry these people around in your head (& heart) for decades, & you'd think you have a clue. Perhaps I UNlearned as much as I learned - but I do feel the rustlings of new realizattions, fresh outlooks & maybe a few genuine surprises (to me anyway) coming out of this little experiment........but no list, can't do the list thing I guess.

thanks.....I think....

Message: 4525 Posted: Tue Feb 09 09:47:00 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: You Can Do Magic re-do.

I figure the reason America redid You Can Do Magic on Hourglass was because their recording deal with American Grammaphone hinged on it.
I figure American Grammaphone wanted that song in their stable, so it could generate possible future licensing fees for them instead of for Capitol Records. Of course, I could be wrong, but I've been in too many marketing meetings with too many bean counters making creative decisions to think otherwise. Why else would they do it?


Message: 4524 Posted: Tue Feb 09 09:16:36 1999 By: laura
Subject: RS807

I got my latest Rolling Stone issue this weekend & I thought I'd report that America is mentioned twice by name in the almost 2-page article "Party-on Politics" about Jesse Ventura's inaugural. It's not a bad little article, not a music review, so they're not presented in either a positive OR negative light -- but they ARE reported. True, wonderkid, headliner & Minnesota native son Johnny Lang gets a LOT more mention, Warren Zevon gets quoted & even gets named in the sub-headline, & they're not included in the photos (only the Gov, first family, Lang, & a Viking cheerleader's pompoms) - but they are listed as part of the lineup. I choose to remain positive & appreciate that there was no need for clarifiers -- because everyone reading this article obviously wouldn't need to be told who America is (at least there were no snide "aging rocker" comments). Later, in describing the night's events, we are told what songs America "offered up" & why the choice of "Horse".
Hey, 'tis better than nothing.

*added note - the radio station they listen to here at work is one of those "soft rock - music of the 70's, 80's & 90's" things. NOT great, but not horrid - it's just that their play list seldom, seldom, seldom changes. At least I know that I will hear America daily - once every afternoon. 9 times out of 10, that means "Sister Golden Hair", with only occasionally "Ventura Highway" or "Lonely People" slipping in to take its place. Now, I don't live anywhere near Minnesota & one may have nothing to do with the other, but I swear, ever since the big gala, it's been a steady diet of "Ventura Highway".
...for what it's worth...

Message: 4523 Posted: Tue Feb 09 08:27:50 1999 By: Beechlady
Subject: Re: Hallandale, FL

>>Thanks for the song list...but didn't we hear THE BORDER? .... but >>there was another. That would bring the total to 21! It's not easy
>>writing down a songlist in shorthand while everyone else is singing >>and
>> feel like a appreciation goes out to those
>>Inspectors who get it right!

Gee I don't think soo.......I had the flu and was a little out of it (ahh ain't cold drugs great--rofl), but I don't think I'd have missed that.....apologies if I did.....BTW, I don't think I'm a geek.

Message: 4522 Posted: Tue Feb 09 08:16:42 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: Hallandale, FL

Yeah, those sherrif statues were pretty impressive.....felt VERY protected and safe....ROFLMAO. Thumbs up, dude! I think I even saw one swaying to the music as he was plugging away on his Marlboro...

Message: 4521 Posted: Tue Feb 09 07:46:32 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: To Howard

Hi Howard,
Can you please give me a call this morning. ASAP. If you lost my phone number, post me a message. Thanks.....Maureen

Message: 4520 Posted: Tue Feb 09 06:58:04 1999 By: LISTENwithYOURheart
Subject: Weak Links

There's no such thing as weak or bad songs...Only bad listeners!
When listening, thou shalt have an open mind and open heart!
Now that's good for the soul!
I'm sure many of you individual souls have weak links, which
proves nobody's perfect.

These songs are efforts of 2 geniuses, for whom we admire and adore. Appreciate what they have given us over the years.
Converse about pleasant and exciting things.
Now that's really good for the soul. :) :) :) :) :) :)

Message: 4519 Posted: Tue Feb 09 06:49:41 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Joe K

Excuse me? You're kidding, right?


Message: 4518 Posted: Tue Feb 09 05:05:42 1999 By: Jim Griffey
Subject: Re: Weak links

WHOOPS!!! When I was talking about personal faves I meant to write "She's A Liar"...NOT "She's Beside You". That's what I get for trying to communicate at 6am!!!

Jim...Erie, PA

Message: 4517 Posted: Tue Feb 09 05:03:37 1999 By: Jim Griffey
Subject: Re: Weak links

It's interesting how some of my faves are showing up as other's weak links ("Down To the Water", "She's Beside You") But one person's opinion versus anothers right? Of course right!! So, here are a few that don't really do it for me
--Special Girl...most everything from "Your Move" and "Perspective" goes in one ear and out the other for me.
--Hot Town...I do enjoy Dewey's rockers, but not this one. Great backing track...needs better lyrics.
--She's Beside You...Much as I like Hideaway, this is probably the weakest link on a strong (IMHO) album.
--You Can Do Magic (Hourglass remake)...totally unnecessary. A bad ending to an otherwise outstanding effort. What WERE they thinking???

Jim...Erie, PA

Message: 4516 Posted: Tue Feb 09 03:33:06 1999 By: Andrew
Subject: Re: Pigeon Song

In regards to your comments about Pigeon Song, I could agree with you more...

Message: 4515 Posted: Mon Feb 08 23:39:43 1999 By: Carol
Subject: Wheels


I heard "Wheels" last week while at Bath and Body Works at the Avenues Mall in Jacksonville, FL.


Message: 4514 Posted: Mon Feb 08 23:05:07 1999 By: Joe Knight
Subject: Re: Weak sisters

Shayne if you don't like Horse or Ventura Hwy you arn't much of a America Fan. What are you doin here then? JK

Message: 4513 Posted: Mon Feb 08 23:00:48 1999 By: Joe Knight
Subject: Re: Weak sisters

Mark I agree with some of your picks but I think you are way off base when you list Old Man Took,See how the love goes, Cast the spirit. " (You can't miss it a blue forest on green sky") Vintage Dewey!!! jk

Message: 4512 Posted: Mon Feb 08 22:39:22 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: Various Subjects

Someone heard "Wheels are Turning" in a restaurant? Did they say where, exactly? That's great! I'd like to find out if it's part of the same in-store system we placed FAMT on, so if you remember the restaurant/town, please let me know.


Karen D.
Oxygen Records

Message: 4511 Posted: Mon Feb 08 22:06:29 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Johnny

Glad to see you back, Johnny...missed you.

Message: 4510 Posted: Mon Feb 08 20:40:10 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Mark's Offer

Mark, did you get any takers on your cd and cassette offers? I am interested in the "Alibi" and "Perspective" cassettes. What songs are on the "Last Unicorn"?

Message: 4509 Posted: Mon Feb 08 20:34:50 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Various Subjects

Thanks TerryT for the wonderful description of the events in Hallendale. Almost felt like I was there with you. Sounds like you had a grand time.

I sure have enjoyed reading everyone's favorite and least favorite songs. It gets us all a little better insight into each of our personalities. One thing for sure, our tastes are certainly diverse.

I received my autographed "Human Nature" CD this afternoon from the Home Shopping Network. After Gerry and Dewey autographed it, HSN
resealed it. I was glad of that. I plan not to open it. It just seems more valuable and unique to me. TerryT, did you get any album covers or CD's autographed?

That was an interesting post last week about someone, I don't remember who, heard "Wheels" on the store or restaurant music system. I tend to think it might be the next single unless it was the whole CD being played. However, there wasn't mention of any other "HN" songs being played at that time. Any opinions???

Message: 4508 Posted: Mon Feb 08 18:55:38 1999 By: truthsaint
Subject: least faves

Good Monday evening from Hagerstown, MD. My opinon on least favorite song has to be Woman Tonight. I think that song seriously hurt their career at that point in time. I'm glad to see such a diverse group of opinions, for that's all they are; but personally, I really don't like anything on Your move or Perspective. On another note-lately I've really been getting into World Alone-a little 50s flair here. Oxygen--whatchawaitinfor?

Message: 4507 Posted: Mon Feb 08 18:24:08 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Hallandale, FL

Beech Tery, we were behind you and a little more toward center maybe. How 'bout those two sheriff deputies, one at the foot of each corner of the stage? Gerry says something like, "Looking out at all of you, we don't see anyone we need to be protected from", and then he gives a thumbs up to one of the cops. Thanks for the song list...but didn't we hear THE BORDER? When WoodZZZ sat at "Gerry's" keyboard for I beleive TIN MAN and WOMAN TONIGHT, Gerry said something like, "That's my other self", referring to Mike. Then Gerry sits down at the keyboard and says, "These are a couple of songs from the 'I didn't know they did that song' category". One of them was ONLY IN YOUR HEART, but there was another. That would bring the total to 21! It's not easy writing down a songlist in shorthand while everyone else is singing and feel like a appreciation goes out to those Inspectors who get it right! Speaking of singing and clapping, in reference to a previous post by Jerey, about Cincinnati, I think they got the message because on more than one occasion they asked the audience to "help along", which we did. The stage and general area was barren of any Human nature logo or booths. Gerry did, however mention their "new album", Human Nature, before Dewey sang PAGES, and when announcing FROM A MOVING TRAIN he said something like, "We like doing the new songs because no one has heard them yet and they won't notice our mistakes". I NEED YOU was all guitars again. You can see from the crowd reaction how many people have the "oldies" imprinted in their chromosomes. I was pleasantly surprised. Sooo many songs were sang along with. Guys and girls alike singing along out loud in such a way that everyone just HAD to join in. Just before CALIFORNIA DREAMIN', Dewey? mentioned how the weather here reminded them of California...that wouldn't be true in summer! We all got some sun from being there outdoors at 2pm. I liked when Brad Palmer (bass) was introduced as the newcomer of the group...only been with them 19 years...then the guys went on to introduce "Wild Wil", some 20-some years...Mike had already been introduced previously. The sun shone on the guitar slide WoodZZZ was wearing on his finger (during ONLY IN YOUR HEART especially), and at times reflected like a giant diamond. The guys said they didn't have to go anywhere until a 6am flight to Colorado (no mention of a concert there in the schedule) and would be hanging around the racetrack for awhile. Well, they did hang around. After the encore, Wild Wil, as usual, remained onstage to help pack up...this was for a LONG time. To the left of the stage shortly thereafter, Ger could be seen hanging around a few folks, 2 of them with walkie talkies, and a young girl with whom he was posing for pictures with. It was probably a political chamber of commerce obligation thing. People were lined along the waist-high wooden fence-rail separating him from the outsiders (about 20 feet away). The die-hards with their vinyl album covers waving started yelling, "Gerry", and after some conversation he approached us with pen in hand. He starting autographing everything from people's shirts off their back to race programs. I said, "Nice music, Ger, I like WEDNESDAY MORNING"...and he replied, "Thanks, Terry"...whoa. Amid all the confusion, he was able to pick up hearing my Girlfriend (Jane) call me by name and remembered that! Then Dewey appeared out of nowhere and worked the line, too. He was definitely in a hurry and sweating, but had a presence that showed "no problem". He had a little backpack on, like a schoolkid, and the two of them were signing up a frenzy. Dewey posed on at least two occasions with little kids, for a picture, where one of the walkie-talkie guys used their camera. Gerry left first, then Dewey said he had to catch a ride and literally ran after a white van that was already rolling. VERY COOL.

Message: 4506 Posted: Mon Feb 08 17:35:27 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: Pigeon Song

Pigeon Song is one of my all time favorites. Just Dewey, his guitar and some really twisted lyrics. You have it all and you throw it away. Not a better teenage angst song.


Message: 4505 Posted: Mon Feb 08 17:18:23 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: Weak links

Wow, I guess my inquiry really stirred up the old Chat Folder! As far as the Weak Links (Appropriate title) I have just a few. Many of the tunes on "Hideaway" really bug me ("Don't Let It Get You Down"/ "She's Beside You"/ The Instrumental filler-yes Sir George over did it there!/ "She's A Liar"...). Honestly I agree with many of the songs previously mentioned. The re-recorded "..Magic" was a letdown! "Goodbye" from "HatTrick" never did anything for me either. "Down To The Water" and "Slow Down" from "Harbor" were mediocre. I am in the minority of AMERICA fans who likes "Perspective". I just got the CD and I really like MOST of it. "Cinderella" for me is an ultimate LOW POINT in their career. The Words are truly lame- "See How The Love Goes" is a bad tune with a great beat and cool (Though Overdone) production. "Special Girl" and "We've Got All Night" Though barely recognizable as true AMERICA recordings I have to admit I Like (Sorry Dewey & Friends). Enough of this...I gotta go...I'll put a little more thought into this- But I will close by saying...for me, as much as I adore "Human Nature" I refuse to acknowledge the inclusion of "Hot Town". I skip it every time. It seems so forced and fake and i DON'T Dig 'Em "Sweaty & Sweet". As much as I know that Dewey likes to rock, I just think he tries too hard to be cool and it comes across in the songs. Just an opinion...Remember, they are still and always will be the Greatest Band to me!!! See Ya TeeTee

Message: 4504 Posted: Mon Feb 08 17:17:47 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: Msg To Virginia

Glad you're back..It's just not the same around here without ya!

Message: 4503 Posted: Mon Feb 08 17:15:02 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: "OWS": Everybody's Opinion

My favorite part is COME BACK because of the Beach Boys influence.
BTW-The Dean of Students here at Gavilan College grew up in Barstow and got a big kick out of the "showcase of the Southland" line. Anyone who has been through Barstow knows there is NOTHING there-a tongue-in-cheek line if there ever was one.

Message: 4502 Posted: Mon Feb 08 17:14:30 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Msg To Virginia

Virginia, thanks for asking about me via Steve Lowry. I sent you a message via e-mail this morning but I see just now that the message was undeliverable.

I'm fine....just been super busy. Thanks again for your thoughtful concern. It's really nice to have friends on this chatboard who you've never met face-to-face but who care about you. Thanks again!!

Message: 4501 Posted: Mon Feb 08 17:05:10 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: "OWS": Everybody's Opinion

I was asking everyone's opinion of which part of "Overwhelming World Suite" they liked best...not just Maureen. Sorry for not asking it more clearly.

Message: 4500 Posted: Mon Feb 08 15:59:06 1999 By: HealthGuru
Subject: Re: Weak links

yeah! #4500!
I happen to like Pigeon Song, reminds me of a peice Howie Mandel used to do. And HangOver's not all that bad either. Used to play that one all the time. Same with International on VGG. Got to agree with Hidden Talent though. Poor for the soul.
BluLight UPDATE: in excess of 5 new songs being worked on, including an interesting instrumental (Up All Night), a piano piece, and a couple more originals that were test driven at the OceanSide show* (poorly) including *Teflon Souls, *Paper Aeroplane, New Cat in town (or kneel to the cheese), and Angel. And pictures soon. and stuff.
Hope everybody is well.


Message: 4499 Posted: Mon Feb 08 13:58:17 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Weak links

I kinda take umbrage to the "weak sisters" crack. ( There I have done my conciousness raising for the day and will step off my soapbox now). The songs that really make me crazy ( so few) are:

Muskrat Love ( WHAT we they smoking????) and
Slow down (the refrain makes me cringe)

I like "Head and Heart" Pigeon song is kinda wierd, but maybe that's why I like it.

Hey, FWIW, ther's my .02

Message: 4498 Posted: Mon Feb 08 13:40:45 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: Weak sisters

Good idea to list it album by album.

AMERICA - Pigeon Song (sounds like the first song Dewey ever wrote. I don't know why it was included on an otherwise GREAT album)
HOMECOMING - Very tough choice since there ARE NO weak songs on this album. But I guess the least strongest would be Head and Heart.
HATTRICK - Molten Love
HOLIDAY - Old Man Took
HEARTS - Woman Tonight (still don't understand why this song was released as a single. I smell a George Martin pick)
HIDEAWAY - She's Beside You
HARBOR - Are You There or Slow Down (depending on my mood)
SILENT LETTER - All Night or 1960
ALIBI - One In A Million
YOUR MOVE - Cast The Spirit (released as the follow-up to The Border, and killed America's comeback momentum. Don't record execs have ears?)
PERSPECTIVE - See How The Love Goes (The only America song that makes me shudder when I hear it)
ENCORE - The Farm
HOURGLASS - You Can Do Magic (why re-record a song almost note-for-note the same as the original? If you're going to redo it, do it different!)
VAN GO GAN - I Need You (tough choice since there are NO weak songs on this album)
HUMAN NATURE - Hidden Talent

Message: 4497 Posted: Mon Feb 08 13:31:35 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Shayne

I am a move specialist here at the Library. I have to move four branches in two months. I FEEL YOUR PAIN! Hang in there!

Message: 4496 Posted: Mon Feb 08 13:14:20 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: I'm Back

wb Johnny! You didn't ask me, but, my favorite is "comeBack" The Beach Boys influenced harmonies really get me! (I have a really hard time with the line in Barstow "showplace of the southland" ever been there? geez! My dad used to refer to Barstow as a "wide spot in the road" ah well "To each his own")

I am rally looking forward to seeing the band on the 25th ( still having a sitter problem for my 11yo, however) anyone else going to be there???

Message: 4495 Posted: Mon Feb 08 13:10:32 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: I'm Back

My favs are Overwhelming World and Come Back. I am being very disagreeable today. The stress of moving (We are so far behind, it's scary) is getting to me. SO WATCH OUT!!!


Message: 4494 Posted: Mon Feb 08 13:08:27 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Weak sisters

Nice topic. Here are my least favorites:

AMERICA - Horse With No Name (I've just never really liked the song) and Pigeon Song
HOMECOMING - Ventura Highway (see Horse above)
HATTRICK - Muskrat Love
HOLIDAY - In The Country
HEARTS - Woman Tonight
HIDEAWAY - Jet Boy Blue and Don't Let It Get You Down
HARBOR - Down To The Water, Slow Down and Hurricane
SILENT LETTER - Tall Treasures and All Night
ALIBI - Hangover
VIEW FROM THE GROUND - I liked every song from this album
YOUR MOVE - Cast The Spirit
PERSPECTIVE - Fallin' Off The World, See How The Love Goes, Lady With A Bluebird, Cinderella
ENCORE - The Farm
HOURGLASS - You Can Do Magic (a horrible rendition)
VAN GO GAN - International
HUMAN NATURE - Hidden Talent

I know many of you feel differently about this, but that's my list and I'm sticking to it. Besides, how many of you have the guts to admit you really don't like A HORSE WITH NO NAME (sacrilege).


Message: 4493 Posted: Mon Feb 08 12:55:26 1999 By: Just Me
Subject: I'm Back

Heeeeeeere's Johnny! What a crazy week I've had. Flew on a flying saucer, worked the "Human Nature" t-shirt and CD booth, dodged hitmen's bullets, and hardest of all....carried Karen D's briefcase. She cracks a mean whip! Thanks goes to TerryT, Robyn, and Virginia for being so kind in asking about my absence.

In honor of super-fan Maureen who loves "Overwhelming World Suite", which of the three song parts do you like best? Mine is Barstow.

Message: 4492 Posted: Mon Feb 08 06:47:37 1999 By: Pete
Subject: America (reviews)

Listing to the reviews from some of the concerts sounds like the new song Pages is being played a lot. Still think Pages has an excelent chance to be your next single along with Wednesday morning.

Message: 4491 Posted: Sun Feb 07 21:41:53 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: Russ Ballard and Your Move

It's kind of funny, I never heard Your Move until '96. I was a starving newly ex-college student when it came out and desperatly wanted to buy it. Never did (gas, food and rent-damn those things). So when it FINALLY came out on CD I scarfed it up and was pleasently suprised! Although it isn't in my top five favorite albums from the guys, it ain't the bottom, either! The songs really fit 1983.
Plus, that COVER is so cool!

Message: 4490 Posted: Sun Feb 07 18:28:14 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: Weak sisters

In my opinion, there aren't too many weak America songs.

Slow Down off Harbor (at the time I didn't mind it, now it doesn't hold up so well.)

We Got All Night, See How The Love Goes, Special Girl, 5th Avenue, Cinderella from Perspective.

Town & Country, Hidden Talent, Hot Town from Human Nature.

As far as Your Move goes, it was a much more pop sound than anything America had done before, but I still liked it. For me, Perspective was hard to take. (Lady With A Bluebird, Unconditional Love, Stereo and Falling Off The World being wonderful.) And it's true that Russ Ballard was no George Martin, but there's one thing you have to give him credit for. Without him, America would have been totally shut out of the Billboard Top 40 charts in the 80s. He wrote the only two hits they had in "You Can Do Magic" and "The Border," the latter of which Dewey re-wrote the lyrics.


Message: 4489 Posted: Sun Feb 07 18:15:43 1999 By: Joe K
Subject: Your Move

I really liked Your Move !!!!! I also liked "See How the Love Goes! I am going to see the guys in Knoxville TN. I hope they play a 20 song set there!!!!!!! Joe K

Message: 4488 Posted: Sun Feb 07 18:01:38 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Weakest songs

This may be controversial, but here are my least favorite America tunes:
1. See How The Love Goes (Dewey just didn't mix well with the techno-pop)
2. Slow Down (I hate disco, I heard George Martin had been pushing them to do a disco song for a while and they finally did one)
3. All Night
4. Fallin' Off The World
5. Woman Tonight

Message: 4487 Posted: Sun Feb 07 17:54:35 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re:Weakest one(s)...

My vote goes for "Can't You See?" I really don't know why and I don't actually DISlike it, just seems to me to be the weakest one I can thing of......

Message: 4486 Posted: Sun Feb 07 17:54:06 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: Hallendale indepth

Thanks for the great review, Tery. Did they have Human Nature posters all around? Did they seem to be selling many Human Nature CD's? We're all interested in hearing what they're doing to push CD sales.

Message: 4485 Posted: Sun Feb 07 17:47:31 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Hallendale indepth

Well, I FINALLY GOT TO A CONCERT!!! Front row, a little stage right.....sigh.

Man, what a treat! ALOT has changed since '97 in terms of arrangements!!!
WHAT A TREAT! This concert was an absolute JOY! Since they were playing with no other band, we got the "long" set. The guys were tight and up beat! It's not that they were EVER bad, they've ALWAYS put on a great show, but now..........WHEW! The thing that struck me most was how great the new tunes sound! AND the rest of the list seems a little tweaked with also!!!!! Feels more "unplugged" and more true to their album days.....again WOW.

1. Riverside
2. Ventura Highway
3. You Can Do Magic
4. Don't Cross The River
5. Daisy Jane
6. Mirror To Mirror
7. Another Try
8. Three Roses-All of the really early stuff was SO IMPRESSIVE!
9. I Need You
10. Pages
11. Tin Man
12. Woman Tonight
13. Only In Your Heart
14. California Dreamin'
15. Lonely People
16. From A Moving Train
17. Never Be Lonely
18. Sandman-WOW, Rockin' out!!! My husbands' fav of the night! GREAT JOB GUYS!!!!!
19. Sister Golden Hair
Encore Horse

Message: 4484 Posted: Sun Feb 07 17:44:39 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: Orlando Concert

I thought they were going to start playing more HN songs? Did they have a Human Nature backdrop on the stage? Were they selling many HN CDs?

Message: 4483 Posted: Sun Feb 07 16:26:39 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: Russ Ballard and Your Move/? Weakest ones...

Yes Shayne, "Your Move" was one of the many "HITS" that never "was". I never got that one- Why didn't Capitol Records follow-up "The Border" with "Your Move" or the fabulous "She's A Runaway"? Bye the way, for the record, I stated that Russ Ballard produced very Homogonized records for AMERICA- I did NOT say they totally stunk. I've always felt that no matter how strong an Album was ("Homecoming"/"Holiday"...) or how weak ("Your Move"/ "Hideaway"..) they always managed to satisfy us devoted Fans with some terrific songs!!!..Thanks..I'm kinda curious...which song gets your votes for the, dare I say, weakest tune they ever recorded. I've never been too fond of a couple- I have to think about this one. Please Friends- No overt negativity, just sincere opinions. I'm quite interested to see how some of us feel about this topic. See Ya..TeeTee :-)

Message: 4482 Posted: Sun Feb 07 16:21:15 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Russ Ballard and Your Move

I realize I am in the minority, but I really liked YOUR MOVE. The tunes were catchy and they flowed well together. I thought Dewey did some of his best singing on DON'T LET ME BE LONELY and TONIGHT IS FOR DREAMERS. Gerry's SHE'S A RUNAWAY and LOVES WORN OUT AGAIN were equally great. I always felt that the title track would have made a great single (especially in 1983).

Just my opinion.


Message: 4481 Posted: Sun Feb 07 16:17:39 1999 By: Pete
Subject: America concert in Hallandale on Feb 7th

Just returned from a great concert from our favorite band. Played songs from their album and all the classics.JEnjoyed hearing Mirror To Mirror live. As usual the show was well received and appreciated.

Message: 4480 Posted: Sun Feb 07 15:58:42 1999 By: Fan of America
Subject: Another Dewey and Another Gerry

I think it's kind of interesting. There's another Dewey Bunnell and another Gerry Beckley living in America. Dewey #2 lives in East Liverpool, Ohio and Gerry #2 lives in Fairfax, Virginia for whatever it's worth. I especially think it's interesting that Dewey #2's city is East LIVERPOOL.

Message: 4479 Posted: Sun Feb 07 15:56:33 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Russ Ballard and Your Move

I realize I am in the minority, but I really liked YOUR MOVE. The tunes were catchy and they flowed well together. I thought Dewey did some of his best singing on DON'T LET ME BE LONELY and TONIGHT IS FOR DREAMERS. Gerry's SHE'S A RUNAWAY and LOVES WORN OUT AGAIN were equally great. I always felt that the title track would have made a great single (especially in 1983).

Just my opinion.


Message: 4478 Posted: Sun Feb 07 15:55:33 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: Photos of Matt & Shari

Just viwed the phots of Matt and Shari, just wanted to say 'thanks' for sharing them with us east coasters!! Great Job.

Message: 4477 Posted: Sun Feb 07 15:35:03 1999 By: Fan of America
Subject: Back on Track

I agree with you, Tom T. However, I think they got back on track with Hourglass and have continued with Human Nature.

Message: 4476 Posted: Sun Feb 07 13:03:24 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Sir George vs. Russ Ballard

Thanks for the response to my filibuster regarding Sir G. But I must add that the homogonized sound that started really letting me down started after the success of "You Can Do Magic". When Russ Ballard vitually took over songwriting chores and prodution duties thats when I felt thing really drifted from the original AMERICA. Russ Ballard DID do some great stuff in his career ("...Magic" alone shows his talent) but I felt they were drifting on a course that it took "Human Nature" to get them back on track. This Chat Folder is great-Just expressing some more food for thought. Thanks Folks!!!

Message: 4475 Posted: Sun Feb 07 12:20:36 1999 By: Fan of America
Subject: Photos

Howard, great idea about the photos. I've often thought about how nice that would be. It would be wonderful to put a face with a name.

Message: 4474 Posted: Sun Feb 07 06:36:10 1999 By: Beech
Subject: --Archives

Just viewin' the archives! (C:

Message: 4473 Posted: Sat Feb 06 22:53:34 1999 By: Margaret
Subject: Sydney supermarket surprise

Our daughter has an after school and weekend job in the local store of a large national supermarket chain. She often reports hearing America in the store and her theory is that the person who puts it together is an America fan. Last night she asked us to guess which song had been played. After incorrectly guessing all the regulars, we were surprised to learn that it was FAMT. Someone there has good taste! We still have not heard it on the radio here, but this is a good start, particularly if it is happening in all of the stores of this chain around Australia.

Message: 4472 Posted: Sat Feb 06 22:09:57 1999 By: Howard Lieboff
Subject: Great Pics of Matt/ShariL

Great pics of Matt and ShariL. Jim, thanks for sharing them with us.
Hey everyone, how about sending our own pics to post on this site.
You never know. If we ever go to concerts, we know who we'll be
looking for. Anybody for it or against it? But, first let's not
overwhelm Steve L. He has enought to do, that's for sure.

Message: 4471 Posted: Sat Feb 06 18:25:12 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Sir George

Thanks for the informative, well-ventilated rambles, Tom! No doubt about Sir George being a genius and his role in contributing to the world of sound. We agree that the guys needed someone like him at that juncture. I agree with Mark about the gradual change to a homogenized pop sound that has only reversed itself somewhat during the last two albums. The guys could have had Billy Preston fill in on the piano parts, or Joe Walsh could have played a mellow slide guitar in the middle of Daisy Jane. The songs were not Sir George's. Maybe I'm just an old acoustic jam lover who hasn't heard the same since the first two albums, am only dreaming, and should get a life and stop living in the past. Thank God for the concerts that still exist. The songs (all of them) sound fine when I'm standing in front of the stage. I don't see or hear Sir George playing anything up there, but his spirit is definitely present.


Message: 4470 Posted: Sat Feb 06 18:00:44 1999 By: J. T.
Subject: Nice Pictures

It's good to see pictures of Mr. BluLight (Special) and ShariL. Does anyone know if Dewey's daughter and son, Lauren and Dylan, have any musical talent like Gerry's son, Matt? Also, what are Lauren and Dylan's age? To see a photo of them would be nice. Jim Nakao, do you have any that you would be given permission to show us? Regarding Johnny's whereabouts, rumour has it that Jim put a hit on him for asking too many questions.

Message: 4469 Posted: Sat Feb 06 17:46:06 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Sir George

Tom T. that was a fine "venting," very constructive & well put. No doubt HAT TRICK is an overlooked gem & it is pure AMERICA, 100%; it's how they felt at the time. It is a great work of art & it is adored my many. Their version of MUSKRAT LOVE is still a gem, the song later commercialized & destroyed by c&t.

Message: 4468 Posted: Sat Feb 06 17:28:08 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: Sir George

What I meant was that It seemed a natural thing to have George Martin Take over at a time that they needed some creative input. After reading my long-winded post I realize that I didn't get to the point! That's my point and I am very sorry that I went on and on and on and on and on...........Thanks.........

Message: 4467 Posted: Sat Feb 06 17:23:40 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Sir George

Howdy! Hope all is well with everybody! Please allow me my two cents regarding Sir George. In 1973 America put out the overlooked "Hat Trick". The record company started the pressure and the lack of sales combined with the vinyl shortage really hurt the momentum of any exposure of "Hat Trick". The critics panned them mercilessly- I remember CREEM Magazine's review entitled "Hat Trick- otherwise known as Eating A Bowl Of Wimp"-Oooo that hurts! I think they wanted vindication and having George Martin Producing and arranging was a tremendous collaboration! Friends,go back to "Hat Trick" and make believe you're listening to a Beatles LP. The Title track alone has "Abbey Road-side 2" influence written all over it. The creative use of fade out/ fade in's to enhance the cohesive quality almost made "Hat Trick" a concept album. "She's Gonna Let You Down" shows a very Paul McCartney meets Brian Wilson pop showdown. In other words, I don't agree that Sir George Martin tried to take over; I DO feel that it was a dream come true for Gerry, Dewey & Dan to be working with a man of his genius. "Holiday" showed an ambitious side of AMERICA's creativity while "Hearts" Showed that they were having fun, enjoying their success. For me "Hideaway" showed signs that they were drifting away from their roots. Lets face it, If you had an opportunity to work with a professional with the reputation of a "Sir George Martin" I'm quite sure you would jump at the chance. As an AMERICA Fan, I was grateful because without him joining forces with them I don't think "Tin Man", "Lonely People", "Daisy Jane" (The viola solo that Sir George arranged is what makes the song so special)would have that certain quality that made them hits. George Martin was there at a time that AMERICA was growing more sophisticated. I will admit, I was listening to "Silent Letter" (I finally got it on CD) and I cannot believe how fantastic Sir George's production is on that tremendous album! The way he recorded Dewey's voice on "All Night" is beyond belief! "All My Life" is Gerry's "Yesterday" (ie:Paul/Beatles) and it is beautiful in it's own right. "Tall Treasures" is a great collaboration between Dewey And Gerry! I just love the way Sir George knows how to get their voices to sound so great. I think Gerry owes a lot of his recording expertise to him. Lord I was Born A Ramblin' Man....sorry I got carried away- I guess you figured out that I admire George Martin! Duh...LOL...:)...Thanks for letting me Vent...TeeTee....

Message: 4466 Posted: Sat Feb 06 16:18:36 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Orlando/Wayne

Thanks, Wayne, for putting us there the best way you could (we'd have had to have been there). The Guys are Sooo HOT as live performers that no video or recording can do justice. You just have to BE THERE. I know that, as does anyone else who has experienced it. Perhaps this is their niche in life.

Somewhere, in the desert of perhaps New Mexico, there is sometimes a pink and yellow sky, where in the distant sage brush the dust-devils make a sound resembling that of a train's turning wheels...amid the dragonflies and alligator lizards, where the purple mountains rise up from the floor, beyond the thunder in the canyon, the black crow with the indigo glow can possibly lead you to Johnny.


Message: 4465 Posted: Sat Feb 06 15:03:22 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Mr. BluLight

On Thursday, February 4, Matthew Beckley played at a Coffee House in Oceanside, California as described by ShariL (from San Diego) in messages 4439 and 4440. Jim Nakao was also there and got some photos of Matt and Shari which I'd like to share with you.

  Matt - photo 1
  Matt - photo 2
  Matt - photo 3
  ShariL from San Digeo

Matt is currently a full-time college student in San Diego and a part-time musician. He is a very fine lad with a great nack for music and a terrific attitude about life. If you ever meet him you will find him to be a very fine young man and quite a gentleman.

Thanks to Jim for making the photos available. Note: Matt and Shari gave their permission to have these photos published on the America Fans web site.

Message: 4464 Posted: Sat Feb 06 14:43:47 1999 By: JOHNNY , JR.
Subject: favorite Dewey and Dan songs

Since Johnny is away, he asked that I post his favorite Dewey and Dan songs for him.

America........RIVERSIDE..........RAINY DAY
Hat Trick......GREEN MONKEY.......IT'S LIFE
Holiday........TIN MAN............IN THE COUNTRY
Hearts.........COMPANY............STORY OF A TEENAGER
Silent Letter..AND FOREVER
Alibi..........MIGHT BE YOUR LOVE & CATCH THAT TRAIN (tie) Johnny said this is one of his favorite America albums.
Perspective....SEE HOW THE LOVE GOES
Hourglass......YOUNG MOON & GARDEN OF PEACE (tie)

All Things Are Possible...............DIVINE LADY

Johnny said to thank TerryT and Robyn for asking about him. He also said that he hopes TerryT has a great time at America's concert tomorrow in Hallendale and maybe he'll see you at the CD and t-shirt sales booth. He'll be the one carrying Karen's (of Oxygen) briefcase.

Message: 4463 Posted: Sat Feb 06 14:33:59 1999 By: Wayne
Subject: Orlando Concert

The show was absolutely great ! By my count, they did 22 songs. Only 2 from HN, Moving Train & Pages. I can't believe how much these guys seem to enjoy playing these songs after so many years/times. Sandman just Blew the Crowd away !!!! Standing O in the middle of the show !
This show would definitely be one of my top 5 of all time. I Really enjoyed it. They did 2 songs for an encore. Last one was Horse With No Name and Gene Murrell joined them on stage & played guitar & sang along with the band !! Imagine that... Thanks for listening... now I'm jealous that you guys are gonna get to see them again soon & I'm not.... Karen, can ya'll look into booking them at Disney's House Of Blues or Pleasure Island ? Hard Rock just opened a big new concert venue at Universal Studios.....

Will Work For Money.....But I Don't Have To Like It !

Message: 4462 Posted: Sat Feb 06 14:08:05 1999 By: J. T.
Subject: A Johnny Sighting

Johnny lives near Roswell, New Mexico which is the site of the alleged alien crash. Do you think maybe he was beamed up? Perhaps he's now working as Karen D's assistant. I think Karen was the last one to talk to him. I think I saw him manning the new Human Nature sales booth last night in Orlando.

Message: 4461 Posted: Sat Feb 06 11:21:34 1999 By: Gary
Subject: Cincy Playlist

Here is the playlist from last week's Cincinnati order...
Riverside,Ventura Hwy.,You Can Do Magic, Don't Cross The River, I
Need You, Pages, Tin Man, Daisy Jane, Only In Your Heart, California
Dreamin',Lonely People, From A Moving Train, Never Be Lonely,Sandman,
Sister Golden Hair and Horse With No Name (encore)...great show !

Message: 4460 Posted: Sat Feb 06 08:46:26 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: A Few Thoughts-Sir George

No doubt Sir George was good for AMERICA & good for the Beatles. But one criticism of him w/respect to the Beatles is that he always attempts to take FAR more credit for their success than is warranted - I believe he would tend to do the same w/AMERICA.

Message: 4459 Posted: Sat Feb 06 07:48:05 1999 By: Joe
Subject: Re: been thinkin'

Robin you wrote down my thoughts exactly! I lost my Dad to liver disease because of his alcoholism in 1980. "Another Try" really hit home to me. A lot of America's songs hit home to me but this one was like Gerry singing about my life. The song helped me deal with my Dads illness and helped me to forgive him for not being the father he should have been. When he wasn't drinking he was the greatest guy in the world. America Rules!!!!!......JK

Message: 4458 Posted: Fri Feb 05 22:53:56 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: Dewey

Rhonda, the most effective and most proper way to do this would be to write to Dewey Bunnell via his record label:

Oxygen Records
18 East 53rd Street
11th Floor
New York, NY 10022

Message: 4457 Posted: Fri Feb 05 20:42:10 1999 By: Beth Mercier
Subject: Lake of the Torches

I'm going to see America next weekend! Feb. 13 at Lake of the Torches Casino. Only 40 miles down the road from my hometown! Anyone else going?

Message: 4456 Posted: Fri Feb 05 20:34:05 1999 By: leakycanoe
Subject: America

....comming home from LA today I saw a billboard advertising the new ford showed a very colorful picture of a horse running with the words "the new ford mustang"...I thought to myself what a great logo for the Horsehead fan club t-shirt....then I thought "you know what a great way to promote the new America Music"..If America could hook up with ford on a TV commercial...advertising the new ford mustang (there is kind of a connection, horse with no name and mustang)maybe they could get some exposure and push some of the new music...kind of a wild thought...thats what LA traffic will do to you....(those wheels wernt turning least the ones that were on the pavement)....

Message: 4455 Posted: Fri Feb 05 19:25:03 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Where's Johnny????

Since the torch must be carried, let's have a trivia brainstorm as to where the Illustrious Johnny may be and what he's doing. I suggest he may be touring with the Guys to remind them of the lyrics and their meanings...a hired hand, so to speak. Any other theories?

Message: 4454 Posted: Fri Feb 05 18:51:07 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Where's Johnny?????

I was wondering the same thing, TerryT. Hope Johnny is on a fabulous vacation or something.

Message: 4453 Posted: Fri Feb 05 18:17:11 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: A Few Thoughts-Sir George

Hi Guys. A little on your posts of the George Martin influence. I have a book called "The Record Producers" by Tobler & Grundy-St. Martin's Press 1982. A passage quoted from George Martin reads: "...When I agreed to make the first album, I didn't think it would mean anything. They were at a low ebb in their careers-they'd had big success, but they were sinking fast, and I gave them a very hard time. They asked me to do it in November, but I said I couldn't touch it until the next April, and they wanted to do it in Los Angeles, and I told them I wouldn't do it unless they came to England and used my studios here. They said they'd like to spend two months on it, and I said if we didn't finish in three weeks, they'd had it-it was that kind of thing, and I was very arrogant about it, and looking back, I'm amazed that they put up with it. But they came over and were terribly nice, terribly charming and we got on really well together, and instead of questioning anything I might suggest, like putting a horn passage or whatever it was they'd say, 'Yeah, that's a great idea'. Everything was accepted, so that we finished the album in seventeen days including all the scoring I did and I was knocked out by it......" Maybe Warner Bros had more to do with it than just a group decision, seeing how Warner wanted Sir George to "pick them up".....
Just my $.02

Total there's about a column and a half of mention about America in the book, with a nice picture of Gerry, Dewey, George and Geoff Emerick on page 119.


Message: 4452 Posted: Fri Feb 05 17:57:49 1999 By: Rhonda
Subject: Dewey

I am trying to contact Dewey Bunnell. My father was in the Air Force with his father and his wife Vivian's (may not still be his wife) father. My parents attended his wedding to Vivian and still have a 5X7 picture of the wedding party. Dewey and the other members of his band went to London Central with my older brothers. They were actually 1 or 2 years ahead of my brothers. If anyone could help me out, I would appreciate it.

Message: 4451 Posted: Fri Feb 05 17:14:24 1999 By: R Bolton
Subject: Human Nature

What a great rap cd.

Message: 4450 Posted: Fri Feb 05 16:54:24 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: A Few Thoughts

Mark and Kevin, I think those are good points regarding the George Martin influence. Compared to the Beatle days, when George had the best studio, equipment, and reputation (but mostly for recording orchestras and classical stuff), the Beatles had an offer they couldn't refuse as far as sound quality and prestige that George's studio had to offer. George and the Band butted heads on many an issue, but I think after all was said, the Beatles won out with their stubborness and George gave them free reign with their creativity. A lot of George's ideas and actual instrument playing were used, but the Beatles were "the boss". This was very rare in those days, where a band would tell the producer what to do, but he was in awe of their talent and saw that they were usually right.

I think the reverse was true when America and George met. The Band may have been in awe of the producer. I think, and anyone with knowledge correct me, George was a little older now and had some preconceived notions as to making a hit recording. I agree with both of you about some "magic" being lost in trade for a slick quality sound. This trend seems to have continued, even after George. A good example is when they recorded Homecoming with George secretly producing (his name isn't on the credits), then Dan left to join the BeeGees. I heard this from an Adult Contemporary Country Rock Expert!

As Laura said so well, at least the guys are still around "literally", and their concerts project the songs better than some of the recordings ever reflected, for the most part. This is true evolution. By the way, where's Johnny?


Message: 4449 Posted: Fri Feb 05 14:58:33 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: Re:A Few Thoughts

I'm with you, Mark. I think what the George Martin-era did was make America less unique. I love albums like Hearts and Hideaway and Harbor. Played them to death. Stil do. But America and Homecoming and Hat Trick were magical. They're just a revolutionary, refreshing and original today as they were nearly 28 years ago.


Message: 4448 Posted: Fri Feb 05 14:44:45 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Matt

Oh yes, Shari & I may have neglected to say that Matt did play the monster song, MONSTER, on 6 string electric guitar. Very impressive indeed. Matt's confidence is building & so is his audience - the next performance ? soon !

Message: 4447 Posted: Fri Feb 05 12:08:30 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: Matt

Shari, my thoughts exactly. Young Matt is really coming around as a singer, player & composer. Very impressive & diverse material he is doing. It seems like only yesterday at the Universal Amptheatre in LA, that young Matt, barely knee high to a grasshopper, dressed in a blue sportcoat was going on stage to be w/his Dad & AMERICA for HORSE, now he goes on stage & plays & sings. I am sure we will be hearing much more about him, the future is his & he is his own man. But let's not rule out a duet w/Dad someday.

Message: 4446 Posted: Fri Feb 05 11:45:44 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: My Favorites and a Few Thoughts


I sort of understand what you mean. IMHO the first three albums really standout (Muskrat Love excepted). They were on more of a folk classic rock path. Then over time and ever so slightly, they shifted towards a more folk pop path. My theory (and it is very unpopular amongest most America fans) is that Goerge Martin took a fledging classic rock band and steered them towards the pop side of music. I'm NOT saying that their Martin produced stuff is bad, it's very good! It's just that I think they slowly changed directions. I think the nader of their George Martin / pop slide was Live! Compare their Live! performance to their performance on Horse With No Name / Best Of Musicladen. The HWNN/Musicladen performance is pure classic rock. The Live! performance is more like a Vegas night club act. Again, I'm not saying it was bad just different, though I much perfer HWNN / Musicladen. I realize it is not a perfect comparison since Dan Peek was with them for HWNN, but it still makes my point. I think if they had done Live! more like the HWNN performance (a rocking live album), it would have been a big hit and would have kept America on top! As it was, Live! was a total flop and lead their comercial decline. I think they were starting to get back on the classic rock band track with Alibi, but by that time nobody was paying attention. Then Russ Ballard got ahold of them and put them back on the pop track. I think Hourglass and Human Nature are once again back on track, if the media will give them a chance!

Just my thoughts.

Message: 4445 Posted: Fri Feb 05 10:55:40 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Setting the Record Straight

Likewise with my post, Kevin. I was definately "tounge in cheek". I mean EVERYBODY knows that AMERICA is a jazz band, not contemporary country (uh-oh, you never know which "expert" will read this and post it on their article).

Message: 4444 Posted: Fri Feb 05 10:44:35 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: Re: Setting the Record Straight

It was definately tongue in cheek. From time to time Mark and others on this site--including myself--have wondered why America seems to have fallen out of favor with the critics and historians. My point was, maybe it's because those experts all have their heads up their butts. I find it amazing that supposed rock historians and experts can't get even the simplest facts straight. I mean, these aren't even things you have to be much a fan to know about. All you have to do is pick up a copy of the albums they are supposedly reviewing and look at it. When on Homecoming, for instance, it says "produced by Dewey Bunnell, Gerry Beckley and Dan Peek" and there's no mention of George Martin anywhere, you don't have to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to figure out that maybe George Martin had nothing to do with the record. So many of these "expert" opinions are just lazy. One guy reads what another guy has published and goes from there. They seem to be commenting on one another, not on the work of the artists. Even in some of the "expert guides on the history of rock" books that are favorable to America, they don't seem to really get it. One book I read last week, while overall more compassionate--even calling Hourglass a commerical and critical success--noted that Hourglass was a shining example of adult contemporary country music. Contemporary country? What album are they listening to? Maybe America's place in rock and roll history has been rewritten because the people doing the writing are too lazy to also do the research. That was my point. I hope noboby thought I was seriously critisizing Steve Lowry. As I said before, Steve's like the America version of the 5th Beatle. The world would be much less fun without him.


Message: 4443 Posted: Fri Feb 05 09:33:56 1999 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: Setting the record straight!

At first I wasn't sure if the comments were all tended to be "tongue
in cheek" but after further review I find they are! To Kevin S & the others pointing out the "inaccuracies" out there.....all we need to do
is point people to John Corbetts "comprehensive History" for the
COMPLETE story on America. If you have the time and would like to read the details on the band,this is the section for you!

I'd love to talk to this author about Dan Peek NOT being involved with "harbor"--Huh??? Whats that all about? He probably got his
info second hand! And any "true" America" fan knows that George
martin did not come along until the FOURTH America LP titled "Holiday". Again--just point your friends to the comprehensive history for the true scoop on the band!

Message: 4442 Posted: Fri Feb 05 09:30:11 1999 By: Pete
Subject: Americas new songs

Im that accostic guitar player who plays out weekends at different Pubs and ski lodges. I've played three new songs Wednesday morning, From a moving train, and pages. People loved it and were happy to know America had a new CD. The song that people really liked was Pages and Wednesday morning. I do a lot of America songs and just love their music. America lives on. Pete in up state NY.

Message: 4441 Posted: Fri Feb 05 09:28:48 1999 By: Steve Orchard
Subject: America

Message: 4440 Posted: Fri Feb 05 09:20:51 1999 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: Matt

In case you aren't a regular on this chat folder, I was talking about Matt Beckley, Gerry's 19 year old son.
ShariL <><

Message: 4439 Posted: Fri Feb 05 09:11:57 1999 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: Matt's "performance" last night

Thursday night I had the privilege to finally meet Matt, as my daughter and I attended an "open mike" event at a coffee shop where Matt played. (Also met his roommate and bandmate Mike, as well as Jim Nakao, who came down from LA area for this.)
Matt played guitar(s) and sang, I think five songs (maybe six, did you count, Jim?) Even recovering from bronchitis, we still got a taste of what this talented young man had to offer.
Some were his own compositions, some written or co-written by Mike, and one, "Alleluia" written by Leonard Cohen.
I have to say, even tho the surroundings were weird, it was a treat to be part of it. Matt said that he usually is behind Mike when they play, and his shyness and lack of being in front by himself was obvious. Jim did get him to take off his baseball cap to take some pictures that should soon be on Steve's fan page, if they're not already. Then we could actually see his face while he was singing.
Jim and I also each got a copy of Matt's cd, which my daughter and I listened to on the drive home. (Matt - it's in HER cd player now, and she really got a kick out of "Jose" - played it over several times for me.)
Thanks, Matt, for letting us share in that. It was fun to be there with you.
Jim - great to meet you.
Look forward to seeing both of you again on the 26th.
ShariL <><

Message: 4438 Posted: Fri Feb 05 01:31:56 1999 By: Andrew
Subject: My Favorites and a Few Thoughts

Greetings -- to join in the conversation, my favorite ten songs, all lumped together in random order, are:

Molten Love
Three Roses
Moon Song
Cornwall Blank
Head and Heart
Rainbow Song
Wind Wave
Old Man Took
Political Poachers

As you can see, all of the above selections are from earlier albums. They are, for the most part, acoustic-laden songs, something that I (despite my relatively young age)believe very strongly to be a true reflection of their uniqueness.

Other random thoughts: I believe America has, from the start, been a commercially-oriented pop band -- perhaps, in my opinion, to a fault. For instance, it really bothers me to see Dewey Bunnell and Gerry Beckley's image on an advertisement for a gambling casino. Call me a misanthrope, a purist, old-fashioned, politically dated or uptight or what have you, but I believe that brand of commercialism, along with their later synth-pop, mainstream, cliche-ridden sounds, have severely compromised their originality.

Don't get me wrong: I still love much of their music -- and I think it's wonderful that America is still touring after all these years, but what I truly admire and respect often seems to be merely a faded memory...

Message: 4437 Posted: Fri Feb 05 00:16:36 1999 By: R Bolton
Subject: 10 favorite songs

In no particular order:1)Ventura Highway,2)Goodbye Highway,3)Sister Golden Hair,4)From a Moving Train,5)Young Moon, 6)Don't Cross The River,7)Another Try,8)Emma,9)Town and Country,10)1960

Message: 4436 Posted: Thu Feb 04 22:33:07 1999 By: Wayne
Subject: Orlando

Here's what I know about the Church Street concert tomorrow night in Orlando. Usually the shows are in the courtyard in front of Hooters. Just east of the RR tracks by Rosie's. There will be three of us, 40something guys, one with a video camera (I hope) and I think Mike will probably wear his lucky Poco shirt. We usually get on the right side of the stage. Also, if wives can get off work on time, they may be there, but we can't be waitin' too long for them

Message: 4435 Posted: Thu Feb 04 20:17:16 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Top 10 All Time

"Here" (that's another good one) are my top 10 of the moment, and, of course, in no particular order and subject to change at any second:


Message: 4434 Posted: Thu Feb 04 17:36:22 1999 By: Jim Griffey
Subject: top ten faves

In no particular order:
10. Greenhouse
9. Ports of Call
8. Only Game In Town
7. Hat Trick
6. Today's the Day
5. Here (King Biscuit version)
4. Watership Down
3. Sgt Darkness
2. Everyone I Meet Is From California (original version)
1. She's A Liar

Favorite album..."Hideaway"
Most Disappointing..."Your Move"

Jim...Erie, PA

Message: 4433 Posted: Thu Feb 04 17:20:31 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: awakenings...

Yes TerryT, Shayne & Laura- it's nice to hear others express special thoughts be they personal or otherwise. America's music truthfully has served as a major part of the inspiration of my creative side. They are really the reason I picked up a guitar and started to compose. The Beatles made me love music, But AMERICA made me realize that I COULD MAKE MUSIC TOO! I remember picking up the songbook to "Homecoming" and jamming with the songs. Like Gerry, Dewey & Dan I realized how cool it was to jam with an acoustic guitar. From there my love for singing ( Which was there from a very early age ) combined with the desire to Rock N'Roll got me into understanding the importance of music in my life. Even today, a day doesn't go by that I write down a song idea, or I sit at my keyboard and try something new so I am extremely grateful that I had such great teachers. America taught me well. Oh sure I studied serious classical music (I majored on Bassoon !) but I was always happiest singing in a smoky barroom somewhere playing some great tunes. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of my story! I'll be going back in the studio to do another tune- soon my CD will be finished! I can't wait! Unfortunately it's taking longer than I anticipated. I hope it's worth it!!! See Ya......TeeTee...

Message: 4432 Posted: Thu Feb 04 15:43:46 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Laura/Shayne

Laura and Shayne, your last posts both took me on a journey and I thank you for rambling. Each was in its own way, but each shared a lot of yourselves in such a personal way that I just had to say so. I thank you both. This is, to me, is the true meaning of America.


Message: 4431 Posted: Thu Feb 04 14:50:52 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: musical therapy

Hey Laura, I am ONE person you don't have to apologize too!!! Your post was VERY well put! I've seen how my cousin (M-SW) uses music in healing the mentally ill! Music is more profound than any words in solo.......

Message: 4430 Posted: Thu Feb 04 14:46:08 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: Top Tens

I think it's fun to read everyone else's top 10's it gives you an insight into the other person! (C:

Message: 4429 Posted: Thu Feb 04 12:09:19 1999 By: laura
Subject: musical therapy

Reading over the last few days worth of postings, I'm touched by the ones of emotional connections to America.
In 1972, I was 14, & those were the days when literally EVERY $5 earned babysitting meant a mile+ walk to the store & a new album (that I would then have to defend to my 4 older siblings in order to win valuable stereo time). It was the lyrics to "Horse With No Name" - & something I couldn't quite define in Dewey's voice - that hooked me from the very start. With absolutely zip musical knowledge & at a time when I ran on 200% emotion, America came real easily to me -- but I could never explain the attraction. Everyone else seemed to have to work so much harder to get my open a vein & expose pure pain (preferably in the form of beautiful poetry). America seemed far too "healthy" to find time on my turntable. And lots of times they didn't -- they were NOT good wallow-in-the-depths-of-depression music. I saved them for my better days.
And so remains my emotional connection: America = Better Days.

I look now at all the 100's of albums, cassettes, CDs I've gathered over the years -- & at all the many artists I was at least momentarily drawn to --- & wouldn't you know it,...occasionally that stupid, silly, overwrought, little girl did alright. There is a lot of good music there - but what makes America stand out as such a special treat is the fact that they are still around (first of all, LITERALLY...far too much dead talent on my shelves)--- still out there creating, growing, giving. I'm very, very fortunate to have them & 1, no, 2 others that I loved 25+ years ago that I can still experience new works from, & (if very lucky) still see in concert -- and for whom my respect & admiration has only grown.
When I look at my neices & nephews (& asstd. other surrogate kids) & the music they listen to, I can only hope (doubtfully, I admit) that they will be able to experience that kind of history of richness.

sorrysorrysorry I went on f o r e v e r.....

Message: 4428 Posted: Thu Feb 04 11:37:56 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Live Chat Session Tonight

Unfortunately, due to the restraints of WebTV, I am unable to attend the chat sessions (I really don't want to stay at the office till 10:00). However, I would like to take Steve's suggestion and explain why I like the songs I do.

I have always loved Gerry Beckley's voice. The lyrics didn't always matter, but the voice did. He can sing about toilet cleaners and It would become my favorite song. Dan Fogelberg, Jeff Lynne and Don Henley have a similar effect, but the are just a notch below Gerry. My favorite songs by him are SEARGENT DARKNESS, INSPECTOR MILLS, ANOTHER TRY and KISS OF LIFE.

Dewey Bunnell's imagery has always impressed me (his voice ain't bad either). I've always been able to close my eyes and picture what he was singing about, even if it didn't make a whole lot of sense. My favorites by Dewey are SANDMAN, MOLTEN LOVE, YOU GIRL and CATCH THAT TRAIN.

Dan Peek has always been the concience. His songs have always held a deeper meaning. You can sence his love of things that are important in his life. My favorites by Dan are SATURN NIGHTS, RAINY DAY, NEVER FOUND THE TIME and DON'T CRY BABY.

Every album by AMERICA is a soundtrack to my growing up years. I was 10 years old when they released their first album and 22 when the released PERSPECTIVE. I can listen to all of those records (CD's, tapes) and I am back in 1974 when I spent two months with my (late) Grandfather (HOLIDAY) or 1979 when I worked on Miami Beach for the summer (SILENT LETTER) or 1982 when I went to school in New York (VIEW FROM THE GROUND). I can listen to the newer stuff and be with my father (VAN GO GAN) or in Denver when my daughter was born (HOURGLASS). Even HUMAN NATURE has some history (taking my kids to see them in concert and watching my son try to sing the songs).

As many of you, I'm sure, feel, these songs sing to me and for me. They remind me of my youth and as they continue to record, they remind me of my present (with a new job , a new city, and two new children - it's not a bad place to be).

I'm glad they are still recording and I'm disappointed that they do not receive the recognition they deserve. But hey, if they never recorded again (bite your tounge), I will still have a lifetime of memories in what they recorded.

Thanks for the forum.


Message: 4427 Posted: Thu Feb 04 10:12:45 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Live Chat Session Tonight

Here's a quick reminder that there will be a live chat session tonight starting at 9 pm Eastern. Due to work commitments I won't be able to make it but I hope that many of you will. I would propose that for the chat topic tonight we consider discussing what our favorite songs are on each album from Dewey, Gerry, and Dan and why they are our favorites. Many of you have already listed them on this chat folder but this will be your chance to discuss why you like them with everyone else. Of course, other topics are certainly welcome as well as a chance to get to know each other a little better.

Message: 4426 Posted: Thu Feb 04 09:43:15 1999 By: Jerey
Subject: Cincinnati concert

I attended the Cincinnati concert. The music was great but I felt as if the guys could have played some more songs. I was really pumped because it was my first America concert. I was waiting for "Old Man Took" and other familiar tunes, but they never came. I also believe the guys should consider engaging the audience a little more than they did. The crowd was relly responsive to the B,S, & T and I believe they would have been with America as well. However, we were not given the chance to sing with the guys. I thought the music was great and overall the concert was a very enjoyable. I just wish the guys would have played a little longer, and allowed us to sing along with them. I am looking forward to the Knoxville concert and I am also giving consdieration to the Louisville concert as well. I love America music and I assume I always will. Please allow us to sing along guys.

Message: 4425 Posted: Thu Feb 04 09:26:39 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Next Single? Karen?

Well January has come and gone and still no new single. Is one going to be released? If so when?

Message: 4424 Posted: Thu Feb 04 09:15:53 1999 By: ShariL in San Diego
Subject: Hearing "Wheels"

That seems like good news, Carol hearing "Wheels" in a store. That means Karen has again been successful with the instore music programming. Way to go, Karen!
Hopefully that's the first of many "sightings" of what would appear to be the next release. Karen, comments, please?
ShariL <><

Message: 4423 Posted: Thu Feb 04 09:11:45 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: And all this time I thought...

Kevin, you missed one. On the back of the HISTORY CD, it mentions that Dan Peek returned to AMERICA for their 1982 comeback hit YOU CAN DO MAGIC.



Message: 4422 Posted: Thu Feb 04 02:28:31 1999 By: kevin
Subject: America

hi folks:

fun website for a band that has always been one of my favorite guilty pleasures. can't wait to hear from others who enjoy the music as much myself--the melodies are as sweet as ever!

favorite tunes: "sister golden hair" "sarah" "inspector mills" "fifth avenue" "old man took" "sgt. darkness"

i'm looking forward to hearing from y'all...and seeing the boyz on stage soon.

xo, kevin

p.s.: human nature is a breath of pure, fresh air--ain't it?

Message: 4421 Posted: Wed Feb 03 23:45:18 1999 By: Carol
Subject: Hello

Hi everyone,

I read this message board all the time, but haven't posted here before. Just had to share that today while in the mall at Bath & Body Works I heard "Wheels" over the speaker system!! It was great!! The stations around here haven't played anything off of Human Nature, but do play some of the older songs. Anyway, just wanted to share.


Message: 4420 Posted: Wed Feb 03 22:49:01 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: been thinkin'

ONE IN A MILLION is one w/lots of meaning for those close who have departed for heaven. Only GERRY can compose w/such eloquence. A Sonnet for sure.

Message: 4419 Posted: Wed Feb 03 22:27:52 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Lake of the Torches Newspaper Article

Steve Nelson sent me a newspaper article announcing the America concert on February 12 and 13 at the Lake of the Torches Resort Casino in Lac du Fambeau, Wisconsin. I'm sure the band and everyone who makes it to the concert will have a great time. Thanks Steve, for sending the article.

Here's a list of photos, etc., that others have sent to me recently:

Photos from Jim Nakao:
Headstock of Dewey's new Taylor guitar
Full view of Dewey's new Taylor guitar
Gerry's Wurlitzer keyboard
Willie's bongos

Fancy America logos from Tery Holly (ideal for computer screen wallpaper):
Embossed version
Mosaic tile version

Wurlitzer Americana jukebox photos from Terry Trost:
Jukebox poster
Jukebox series I
Jukebox series II
Jukebox series III

For all the latest information, be sure to check out the What's New section of the America Fans home page.

Message: 4418 Posted: Wed Feb 03 22:14:58 1999 By: janice
Subject: re: been thinking..

Yes, fact America takes me back also to times that make me think about my beloved sister whom I lost last year to cancer. Sandy loved America and was unable to join me for a concert out here in Peachtree City two years ago..she was very I taped made her final days a little nicer..her husband Ron lost count how many times Sandy watched the concert and it always made her smile..I brought her husband with me to a concert in Denver at the Grizzley Rose last year..I go there on July 22 to celebrate her birthday and "spend time" with her. Songs like To Each His Own..or just about any from Homecoming are very significant for me as Sandy and I had seen them together in Hawaii shortly after the release of that album and of course several times since over the year together. Just sharing. :)

Message: 4417 Posted: Wed Feb 03 22:06:43 1999 By: A fan
Subject: Re: And all this time I thought...

Jackson Browne did open for america in 1973 because I saw them in Concert in greensboro, NC. Great show. I also saw america on the Harbour tour in the sping of '77. Dan was still with them. A great show in Raleigh, NC.

Message: 4416 Posted: Wed Feb 03 22:01:16 1999 By: AmericaSL
Subject: Re: And all this time I thought...

Gosh Kevin, I guess I'm going to have to get those books so I can correct all of those errors on the web site (LOL)....

Message: 4415 Posted: Wed Feb 03 19:23:35 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: been thinkin'

Shayne and Robyn: HOPE has had a similar impact on many, including a very special person to me. I don't have Van Go Gan, but I can relate from what I've read from the lyrics. Was there a personal experience of Gerry's that I don't know about, inspiring him to write these masterpieces?

Message: 4414 Posted: Wed Feb 03 18:52:53 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: been thinkin'

about something Shayne said in his post, about how his emotions were tied to the music on the Van Go Gan CD my sincere condolences Shayne at the loss of your father. But I was thinking about what America song or album has had that kind of impact on my life. When I was about 14, my dad "hit bottom" as they say. It was a really rough time for me and a particularly rocky patch in my parents' marriage. Coincidentally, around the same time Holiday was released, with "Another try" on it. That song literally saved my life. When my paernts were fighting, I could go in my room, put on my headphones and listen to that song. The feeling was so close to what I was going through at that time. Listening to it, I didn't feel so alone anymore. My folks are still together, and my dad is a recovering alcholic, so things turned out ok.
Anyone else have a song that had such an impact?

Message: 4413 Posted: Wed Feb 03 18:31:09 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: And all this time I thought...

I vote KevinS official CHAT FOLDER KING OF SARCASM. You can take that tongue out of your cheek now Kevin. This is how rumors get started. It's been a long day. Thanks for the laugh.

Message: 4412 Posted: Wed Feb 03 18:27:19 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: And all this time I thought...

Kevin roflmho! Thanks for the "difinitive" look at the group, BTW didn't Jackson Browne OPEN for America in 1973, or was I just especially high at the time????? ( Hey it was the 70's in Los Angeles, what can I say?)

Message: 4411 Posted: Wed Feb 03 18:06:38 1999 By: KevinS.
Subject: And all this time I thought...

While I was at the bookstore, I browsed through a few more rock books.
As a public service to all of those who visit this website, I must clarify many of the factual errors being disseminated by this site.

Case in point: According to this website, Holiday was the first album George Martin produced for America. Not so, and I have proof.

The ALL MUSIC GUIDE TO ROCK, AN EXPERTS' GUIDE, edited by Stephen Thomas Erlewine, clearly states in black and white, "In 1972, America went to work on its second album, Homecoming, with Beatles producer George Martin." The book sheds further light on the real story with: "Released in the fall of 1974, Holiday was the 3rd record the group made with George Martin."

Steve Lowry, I don't know what you're trying to pull, but on behalf of America fans everywhere, I demand a correction. You are obviously wrong. Stephen Thomas Erlewin is a rock expert. Says so right on the cover of the book. And it couldn't say that if it weren't true.

Mr Erlewine also uncovers the truth about another piece of misinformation that's been perpetuated on this website. We have been led to believe all along that Dan Peek left America in 1977. Lies, lies, lies.

Read the following passage, written by a published expert on the subject, and you be the judge: "Dan Peek left the group in 1976. The group continued as a duo, releasing Harbor as its first album as a duo."

I know it's a a lot of information to be hit with all at once, so take a moment and collect your thoughts before reading on.

In all fairness, I'm sure Steve Lowry was thrown off by the fact that Dan Peek's picture is on the back of the Harbor album cover, and that Dan Peek wrote and sang four of the songs on Harbor, and that the liner notes on Harbor say, "America is Gerry Beckley, Dewey Bunnell and Dan Peek."

But don't let that fool you. Steve Lowry and his website are no match for the in-depth coverage, dogged journalistic work ethic and perceptive insight of a rock expert like Stephen Thomas Erlewine.

Thank God for these definative books on the history of rock and roll. Without them, we as fans might never know the true story.


Message: 4410 Posted: Wed Feb 03 17:33:18 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: Karen, here's the book title

The other day I said I found a new book that had a "review" of Human Nature. Here's the info:

The book just came out. It's called MUSIC HOUND ROCK, THE ESSENTIAL ALBUM GUIDE, edited by Gary Graff and Daniel Durchholz, copyright 1999 by Visible Ink Press. Here's what they had to say about America, followed by their ratings of America's albums:

America was folk-rock's Fabian, tuneful and easy on the ears, not terribly subversive, and therefore, more commercial. The trio enjoyed a string of hit singles during the 70s, beginning by aping Neil Young on "A Horse With No Name" and hitting a few other high points--including some sides produced by Beatles collaborator George Martin--along with the drivel of "Muskrat Love."

After Dan Peek left, however, the bottom seemed to drop out. With the exception of the 1982 hit, "You Can Do Magic," Bunnell and Beckley simply soldier along on the oldies circuit, pairing up with fellow travelers such as The Beach Boys and Three Dog Night.

What to buy: HISTORY. Rating: 3 1/2 (out of five). Has everything you'd want--and need--from the group's peak period.

What to buy next: ENCORE, MORE GREATEST HITS. Rating: 3. Provides a nice addendum for those who want more of the story.

What to avoid: ALIBI. Rating: Woof! The worst of myriad sub-par albums America, as a duo, has been recording during the 80s and 90s.

The rest:
Album Rating
AMERICA.........2 1/2
HOMECOMING......2 1/2
HAT TRICK.......2
HOLIDAY.........2 1/2
YOUR MOVE.......1

Groups who influenced America: James Taylor, the Eagles, Jackson Brown, Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Poco, Kingston Trio.

Groups America influenced: Firefall, McGuinn Clark & Hillman


Message: 4409 Posted: Wed Feb 03 14:04:37 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Impatience Is A Virtue

Karen -

Any news on "Live By Request"? What about the next single? Here's an easier one, any news about world peace?


Message: 4408 Posted: Wed Feb 03 12:40:33 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: Top ALL times....

My TOP 5 America Songs are: ** 1.)TO EACH HIS OWN 2.) RAINY DAY 3.) COMPANY 4.) DAISY JANE 5.) POLITICAL POACHERS **subject to change constantly LOL :-) Now How about the TOP 5 Songs Recorded, but NOT composed by AMERICA. 1.) YOU CAN DO MAGIC 2.) YOU COULD'VE BEEN THE ONE 3.) IT'S LIKE YOU NEVER LEFT AT ALL 4.) JODY 5.) CALIFORNIA DREAMIN' Honerable Mention: WE'VE GOT ALL NIGHT (I can't help it- I really dig that tune)

Message: 4407 Posted: Wed Feb 03 11:38:01 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: Top ALL times....

1. Ventura Highway
2. Three Roses
3. Sister Golden Hair
4. Wednesday Morning
5. Whole Wide World

Message: 4406 Posted: Wed Feb 03 11:12:51 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Selling Some America CDs +

I don't like to do this but my CD’s are overflowing my CD box, and my wife won’t let me get another one so I have to get rid of some of my duplicates and non-essentials and thought I would offer the stuff to my fellow America fans first. So below is my list of available stuff for anyone who’s interested for a minor $5.00 charge to cover postage. Email me at if you are interested.

America CDs:
Last Unicorn
Premium Gold Collection
Ventura Highway & Other Favorites

Dan Peek CD:
All Things Are Possible (Diadem release)

America Cassettes:
Alibi (still sealed, never opened)
Perspective (still sealed, never opened)

Non-America CDs
Spirit Voices by The Kings Singers (Gerry and Dewey sing lead on Weather With You)
For The Love Of Harry (Gerry sings lead on Without Her)
Have A Nice Day Vol 2 ( includes Spirit In The Sky, Reflections Of My Life, etc…)
Have A Nice Day Vol 4 ( includes Yellow River, One Toke Over The Line, Woodstock, etc…)
Have A Nice Day Vol 16 ( includes Vehicle, Ride Captain Ride, Toast and Marmalade For Tea, etc…)
Have A Nice Day Vol 17 ( includes Rings, Painted Ladies etc…)
World Of The Troggs

Home-made America CDs:
Harbor + California Dreamin’
Silent Letter
Your Move
Last Two To Dance / Love Comes Without Warning + CD single (sound quality so, so)

Message: 4405 Posted: Wed Feb 03 10:30:45 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: NY Shows ??

Hiya Maureen.

Please email me directly so we can chat. I do not have your email address.


Karen D.

Message: 4404 Posted: Wed Feb 03 10:05:28 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Top ALL times....

As of Wednesday, February 3, 1999 at 10:05 am, here is my Top 10 (could change within the hour).

10. Sergeant Darkness
9. Now Sue
8. Close To The Wind
7. Overwhelming World Suite
6. Garden of Peace
5. Sergeant Darkness
4. Kiss of Life
3. Sister Golden Hair
2. Rainy Day
1. Inspector Mills

It's a very tough call. These are just "bubbling under the top 10":
Saturn Nights
You Girl
Wednesday Morning
Never Found The Time
Another Try
These Brown Eyes
The Last Unicorn

I could go on for another 75 entries, but I think I'll stop here.


Message: 4403 Posted: Wed Feb 03 09:57:06 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: favorite Dan songs

AMERICA - Rainy Day, Never Found The Time (tie)
HOMECOMING - Saturn Nights
HATTRICK - It's Life
HOLIDAY - Glad To See You
HEARTS - Story Of A Teenager (I know it was a collaboration)
HIDEAWAY - Today's The Day
HARBOR - Don't Cry Baby


Message: 4402 Posted: Wed Feb 03 09:49:54 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: favorite Dewey songs

AMERICA - Sandman
HOMECOMING - Cornwall Blank
HATTRICK - Molten Love
HOLIDAY - Hollywood
HEARTS - Seasons
HIDEAWAY - Amber Cascades
HARBOR - Are You There
ALIBI - Catch That Train
YOUR MOVE - Don't Let Me Lonely
PERSPECTIVE - It's Like You Never Left At All
ENCORE - Nothing's So Far Away (As Yesterday)
HOURGLASS - Garden Of Peace
HUMAN NATURE - Wheels Are Turning

Incidently, on my post about my favorite GB songs, I left out the following:
VAN GO GAN - Kiss of Life
I listened to this CD extensively while my father was dying. This song will forever be linked with the emotions I felt ("there will be no more confusion, there'll be no more ball and chain. I will cease with the illusions and I will ask of you the same. When you love someone. Come on and save me, save me. Pull me from deep water give the kiss of life...) In the proper perspective, it may well be GB's most powerful song.


Message: 4401 Posted: Wed Feb 03 09:39:00 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Top ALL times....

Ok, I got "chastised" for asking this on the flip side, but what are your FIVE all time America songs? CAN you narrow it down? Do you DARE? (C:
(In no particular order)
1. Never Found The Time
2. Till The Sun Comes Up Again
3. Bell Tree
4. Monster
5. Close To The Wind

Message: 4400 Posted: Wed Feb 03 09:35:51 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: favorite Dan songs fwiw

1. Never Found The Time** 2. Saturn Nights 3. Willow Tree Lullabye
4. Glad To See You 5. Old Virginia 6. Jet Boy Blue 7. Don't Cry Baby
**One of my All time fav America songs

Message: 4399 Posted: Wed Feb 03 09:31:49 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: favorite Dewey songs fwiw

1.Sandman 2.Moon Song 3.Molton Love 4. Hollywood 5.Seasons 6. Amber Cascades 7. Political Poachers 8. Tall Treasures 9. Might Be Your Love
10.Love On The Vine 11. Cast The Spirit 12. Lady With A BlueBird 13. Hell's On Fire 14. Sleeper Train 15. World Alone

Message: 4398 Posted: Wed Feb 03 09:25:49 1999 By: Beech
Subject: Re: favorite Gerry Songs fwiw

1. Clarice 2. Till The Sun Comes Up Again 3. His section of Hattrick 4. What Does It Matter? 5. Bell Tree 6. Watership Down 7. Monster
8. 1960 9. Coastline 10. Never Be Lonely 11. Someday Woman 12.Stereo 13. On Target 14. Close To The Wind 15. Barstow

Message: 4397 Posted: Wed Feb 03 06:43:19 1999 By: Bruce
Subject: Reply to Maureen

That was a reply to your post Maureen!

Message: 4396 Posted: Wed Feb 03 06:42:06 1999 By: Bruce
Subject: NYC Appearance

I'm hoping for a Club Bene performance this Summer but so far no booking! As far as a NYC appearance- well, we can only "HOPE"!!!

Message: 4395 Posted: Wed Feb 03 05:03:15 1999 By: Jim Griffey
Subject: Re: favorites

OOPS!!! Left "Valentine" off my Dewey list

Jim...Erie, Pa

Message: 4394 Posted: Wed Feb 03 05:02:00 1999 By: Jim Griffey
Subject: favorites

Gerry tunes:
Here...Only In Your Heart...Goodbye...Baby It's Up To You...Story of a Teenager..She's A Liar....Sgt Darkness...All My Life...Survival...Love's Worn Out Again...The Farm...Ports Of Call...Wednesday Morning

Dewey tunes:
Sandman...Cornwall Blank...Green Monkey...Hollywood...Seasons...Letter...Down To The Water...Only Game In Town...California Dreamin (King Biscuit version)...Hell's On Fire...Greenhouse...Oololo

Dan tunes:
Everyone I Meet is From California...Saturn Nights...It's Life...Story of a Teenager...Todays the Day...Hurricane

Message: 4393 Posted: Wed Feb 03 01:56:09 1999 By: Erin
Subject: Re: favorite Gerry Songs

My all-time favorites are:
Sergeant Darkness
All My Life
One In A Million
All Around
Kiss Of Life
Goodbye Highway
Van Go Gan
Moment To Moment

Message: 4392 Posted: Tue Feb 02 23:43:19 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: favorite Dan songs

Hat Trick: IT'S LIFE

Message: 4391 Posted: Tue Feb 02 23:39:38 1999 By: jimnak
Subject: Re: VAN GO GAN

Sad to say but GERRY's solo debut masterpiece is, for the most part, now out of print. The only way is to find a copy is perhaps a left over in a retail store, likely in Japan. Bbut keep up the search you may get lucky. The Web is a good place to try. Sorry.

Message: 4390 Posted: Tue Feb 02 23:38:40 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: favorite Dewey songs

Van Go Gan: NONE

Message: 4389 Posted: Tue Feb 02 23:19:42 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: favorite Gerry Songs

For what it's worth:

America: HERE
Hideaway: SHE'S A LIAR
Silent Letter: FOOLIN'
View From The Ground: INSPECTOR MILLS
Your Move: YOUR MOVE
Encore: THE FARM
Van Go Gan: NOW SUE

Message: 4388 Posted: Tue Feb 02 23:19:12 1999 By: mB
Subject: Gerry's Songs

sorry to interrupt, but on a personal note, the manuel989 account took a beating, and no longer exists.
On the brightside, all mail can now be sent to the new and improved
thanks for the time.
oh yeah, i go for pretty much anything on the harbor album.

be well


Message: 4387 Posted: Tue Feb 02 22:42:49 1999 By: PattiW
Subject: Van Go Gan

Does anyone know where/how to purchase a copy? Please help. I've been searching with no luck. Someone out there must know something!

Message: 4386 Posted: Tue Feb 02 19:47:19 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: Gerry Favorites


Message: 4385 Posted: Tue Feb 02 19:46:43 1999 By: Maureen
Subject: NY Shows ??

Do you happen to know if 'the guys' will be playing around here and when? The concert list for Westbury Music Fair is out but no America? Hope you can help. Thanks. Maureen.
PS - Any luck with my message I sent to you regarding Bill stuff?

Message: 4384 Posted: Tue Feb 02 19:25:24 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: Favorite Dewey Songs

I knew this would evolve...a matter of TIME

Message: 4383 Posted: Tue Feb 02 18:46:04 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: favorite Dan Songs

America............................NEVER FOUND THE TIME
Homecoming....................SATURN NIGHTS
Hat Trick............................IT'S LIFE
Holiday...............................LONELY PEOPLE
Hearts................................OLD VIRGINIA
History...............................DON'T CROSS THE RIVER
Hideaway..........................TODAY'S THE DAY
Harbor................................THESE BROWN EYES
Encore...........................EVERYONE I MEET IS FROM CALIFORNIA

Message: 4382 Posted: Tue Feb 02 18:42:53 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: favorite Dewey Songs

America............................THREE ROSES
Homecoming....................MOON SONG
Hat Trick............................WINDWAVE
Holiday...............................TIN MAN
History...............................VENTURA HIGHWAY
Harbor................................DOWN TO THE WATER
America Live.....................HORSE WITH NO NAME
Silent Letter......................AND FOREVER
View From The Ground.............LOVE ON THE VINE
Your Move........................TONIGHT IS FOR DREAMERS
Perspective......................CAN'T FALL ASLEEP TO A LULLABYE
Encore...........................THE BORDER
Hourglass..........................WHOLE WIDE WORLD
Human Nature.................WHEELS ARE TURNING

Message: 4381 Posted: Tue Feb 02 18:38:30 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: favorite Gerry Songs

America............................I NEED YOU
Homecoming....................TO EACH HIS OWN
Hat Trick............................SHE'S GONNA LET YOU DOWN
Holiday...............................BABY IT'S UP TO YOU
Hearts................................BELL TREE
History...............................SISTER GOLDEN HAIR
Hideaway..........................WATERSHIP DOWN
Harbor................................GOD OF THE SUN
America Live.....................ANOTHER TRY
Silent Letter......................FOOLIN'
View From The Ground.............INSPECTOR MILLS
Your Move........................SHE'S A RUNAWAY
Hourglass..........................CALL OF THE WILD
Van Go Gan........................GOODBYE HIGHWAY
Human Nature.................WEDNESDAY MORNING

Message: 4380 Posted: Tue Feb 02 18:30:20 1999 By: C. CLARK
Subject: Re: favorite Gerry Songs


Message: 4379 Posted: Tue Feb 02 17:17:30 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: favorite Gerry Songs

Here they are, Johnny. Choices are subject to change as we all are, given time to really hear timeless creations.
Hope I didn't include any obvious hits.
Homecoming....................ONLY IN YOUR HEART
Hat Trick............................SUBMARINE LADIES
Holiday...............................BABY IT'S UP TO YOU
Hearts................................DAISY JANE/SISTER GOLDEN HAIR (it's a tie, sorry!)
History...............................(see above)
Hideaway..........................SHE'S A LIAR
Harbor................................SERGEANT DARKNESS (of course)
America Live.....................(see "see above")
Silent Letter......................ALL MY LIFE
Alibi.....................................YOU COULD'VE BEEN THE ONE (ONE IN A MILLION a close second)
View From The Ground...INSPECTOR MILLS (of course)
Your Move........................SHE'S A RUNAWAY (disco or not, sung by Gerry?, kicks by butt)
Perspective......................5th AVENUE (UNCONDITIONAL LOVE right behind it)
Hourglass..........................MIRROR TO MIRROR/HOPE (another tie)
Human Nature.................WEDNESDAY MORNING (by a long shot)

Message: 4378 Posted: Tue Feb 02 17:13:00 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Favorite Gerry Songs

1st Album-AMERICA- "Clarice" "Homecoming"-"To Each His Own" "Hat Trick"-"She's Gonna Let You Down" "Holiday" "Another Try" "Hearts"-"Daisy Jane" "Hideaway"-"Who Loves You" "Harbor"-"Sargeant Darkness" "Silent Letter"- "All My Life" "Alibi"- "Survival" "View From The Ground"-"Never Be Lonely" "Your Move"- honestly, none... "Perspective"-"Fifth Avenue" "Encore"-"On Target" "Hourglass"-"Call Of The Wild" "Human Nature"-"Overwhelming World".....I think I've covered them all. I was wondering what do you feel are Gerry and Dewey's best vocal performances on record. I think "Sarah" is one of Gerry's finest moments and I love Dewey's vocal performance on "You Girl". Gotta go...Teetee

Message: 4377 Posted: Tue Feb 02 15:49:39 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Re: More Reviews

Actually, I think Electrovoice is Dan's best solo effort. Funny that All Thing Are Possible was his biggest hit, but I thought it was his weakest album.

Message: 4376 Posted: Tue Feb 02 14:19:53 1999 By: America Fan
Subject: Re: More Reviews

<< America's albums, but also 3 of Dan Peek's solo efforts, All Things Are Possible, Doer Of
The Word, and Crossover. I guess they missed Electrovoice.>>>

Some would say they didn't miss much.


Message: 4375 Posted: Tue Feb 02 13:14:16 1999 By: Mark
Subject: More Reviews

The Billboard database that Steve linked to not only has original reviews of many of America's albums, but also 3 of Dan Peek's solo efforts, All Things Are Possible, Doer Of The Word, and Crossover. I guess they missed Electrovoice.

Message: 4374 Posted: Tue Feb 02 11:51:17 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: Name of book

Sure do, Kevin. Thanks.

Karen D.

Message: 4373 Posted: Tue Feb 02 10:01:01 1999 By: Shayne
Subject: Re: Favorite Gerry Songs

Sorry, I've been away for a few days. I drove to Dallas to look at houses (and to leave one of our cars there in preperation for our move). While driving (alone, mind you), I listened to each of the CD's in order. So, based on being "overfed", here's my list:

AMERICA - Children
HOMECOMING - Till The Sun Comes Up Again
HATTRICK - Submarine Ladies
HOLIDAY - Another Try
HEARTS - Daisy Jane
HIDEAWAY - Who Loves You
HARBOR - Seargent Darkness
ALIBI - You Could Have Been The One
VIEW FROM THE GROUND - Inspector Mills
THE LAST UNICORN - The Last Unicorn
YOUR MOVE - Love's Worn Out Again
PERSPECTIVE - Fifth Avenue
ENCORE - On Target
HOURGLASS - Close To The Wind
HUMAN NATURE - Overwhelming World

dddddat's all folks.


Message: 4372 Posted: Mon Feb 01 21:59:16 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: Name of book


I don't remember the name of the book off the top of my head, but I know exactly where it is and, if you want, I'll go find the name of it tomorrow. One thing I want to clarify. I think I said there's a review of Human Nature, but more accurately I should say it's rated. I don't think there's anything more than a numerical "review" of it. Do you still want me to find out the name of it?


Message: 4371 Posted: Mon Feb 01 21:48:16 1999 By: Lori York
Subject: Dewey Bunnell

I fell in love with Gerry Beckley at 11 years old, but when I became an adult, I fell in love with Dewey Bunnell. After Bitching, America is finally coming to where I am in Pinelllas Park. Thanks guys. My dump is yours anytime. I am trying to better my sitsuation all the time...Please consider me your friend! Thanks!

Lori York (click here to see my photo)

Message: 4370 Posted: Mon Feb 01 21:34:48 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: America in the 70s


Can you tell me the name of the publication you are talking about? I need to purchase a copy. Thanks.

Karen D.

Message: 4369 Posted: Mon Feb 01 21:28:12 1999 By: TerryT
Subject: Re: 2/2

Whatever it takes to prevent six weeks of The Captain and Tenille.


Message: 4368 Posted: Mon Feb 01 19:37:23 1999 By: "Susie"
Subject: 2/2

what do ya think.... will the muskrat see its shadow tomorrow?

Message: 4367 Posted: Mon Feb 01 17:47:57 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: Favorite Gerry Songs

OOPS, Try again
Homecoming-Till the Sun Comes Up Again
Hat Trick-Submarine Ladies
Holiday-Another Try
Hearts-Bell Tree
Hideaway-Watership Down
Silent Letter-All Around
Alibi-One in a Million
View From the Ground-Jody
Your Move-Honey
Encore-On Target
Hourglass-Close to the Wind
Human Nature-Moment to Moment

Message: 4366 Posted: Mon Feb 01 17:41:46 1999 By: KevinS
Subject: America in the 70s

Mark, just last week I was in Borders and I read the same book you're talking about that stated the only Folk-Rock act to outsell America was the Eagles. I think that same publication also had a review of all the America albums, including Human Nature. Listed among the best or recommended were, of course, History, as well as Homecoming. The avoid at all costs album was Alibi (one of my personal favorites). Perspective and Your Move were the others that got the lowest ratings. Human Nature got a rating right in there with most of the other America albums. Interestingly, I noticed a blurb about Hourglass that called it a "commercial and critical success." I guess American Gramaphone didn't get the memo.

Joel Whitburn's Billboard Book of Top 40 hits lists the top 25 artists of the 70s, based on a point system that's based on singles airplay. Surprisingly, America isn't in the top 25. The Eagles were 13th. Johnny's original question was about sales, though, and this list wasn't based on sales. Hope this helps a little, Johnny.


Message: 4365 Posted: Mon Feb 01 17:37:11 1999 By: Virginia
Subject: Re: Favorite Gerry Songs


Message: 4364 Posted: Mon Feb 01 17:26:27 1999 By: Marshall Smith
Subject: Human Nature tour songs

I noted on the recented post of the Cincinnati concert, only two HN songs were played (presumably FAMT and Pages). Only a one hour set though.
I hope that as the tour progresses we hear of many more HN songs featured.

Message: 4363 Posted: Mon Feb 01 17:03:33 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Favorite Gerry Songs

What a slow day on the chat board. How about this: list your favorite Gerry song from each of AMERICA's albums. The song can be written by anyone as long as Gerry sings the lead vocals. Also, let's not include the songs that were hits. Here are mine:

America-Here; Homecoming-Till The Sun Comes Up Again; Hat Trick-Gerry's portion of Hat Trick; Holiday-Baby It's Up To You; Hearts-Bell Tree; Hideaway-Lovely Night; Harbor-Sergeant Darkness; Silent Letter-Foolin'; Alibi-Right Back To You; View From The Ground-Jody;
Your Move-Honey; Perspective-Stereo; Encore-On Target; Hourglass-Hope; Human Nature-Wednesday Morning.

Message: 4362 Posted: Mon Feb 01 15:23:38 1999 By: Mark
Subject: Refreshing Reviews!

Thanks for the links to the old Billboard album reviews Steve! I remember back in the old days, great reviews were common for an America album. Some of the reviews even refer to America's "supergroup" status. That's why I was so surpirsed a few years ago, when all these R&R History books first began appearing on shelves, that several of them either gave America mediocre to bad reviews, or just dimissed them as a teeney-bopper group. Talk about rewriting history!

BTW, somebody asked about how America stacked up as far as record sales go. I remember reading in one of those books as few years ago that they were ranked as the 175th (or something like that) all time selling artists in history, or something like that. Which was very good. I read in another book that the Eagles were the only other FOLK-ROCK (note they were only comparing other folk-rock bands) band to out-sell America in the 70s. Today some critics may try to minimize their accomplishments and impact, but the facts tell the story.

PS, I think some critics have never forgiven America for knocking Neil Young out of the #1 spot in both the album and singles chart back in 72. Talk about holding a grudge!

Message: 4361 Posted: Mon Feb 01 15:06:36 1999 By: Tom T.
Subject: Re: Janet Jackson

"Let's Wait Awhile" borrowed, I mean, lifted the opening chord changes and melody from "Daisy Jane". I'll never forget the first time I heard it, I was appalled- and yet I loved Janet's tune at the same time. The message in her song was a good one; however, it still was a little too much like Gerry Beckley's masterpiece. Also- on Friday Nights "TGIF" on The ABC Television Network I happened to be watching one of those awful shows! There wasn't anything else on. It was either "Sabrina..." or "Brother's Keeper" that quoted AMERICA's "I Need You". One of the characters said- "Let's Face It, I Need You Like The Flower Needs The Rain" and that garnered a laugh from the laugh-track. I can't believe that I admitted that I actually watch Bad T.V. shows! Anyway...Bye..TeeTee

Message: 4360 Posted: Mon Feb 01 09:56:15 1999 By: Karen D.
Subject: Re: Concert CD Sales

Human Nature product is now available at every show on the Human Nature tour.

Karen D.

Message: 4359 Posted: Mon Feb 01 09:38:47 1999 By: Karen D
Subject: Re: VH1

The episode of VH-1's Where Are They Now: Classic Rock Heroes that includes America will air on Tuesday night, March 2nd at 10pmEST.

Message: 4358 Posted: Mon Feb 01 07:27:33 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Jimnak, Which Song?

Jim, exactly which J. Jackson song was it? I don't listen to her music so I guess that's why I never noticed. I'll definitely make an effort to listen. I understand it's quite obvious.

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